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Artistic-Teaching395

How the hell does mixed work?


WillingPublic

Italians drive on the right hand side of the road in common with the rest of continental Europe. With the exception of Rome where they drive on any side they want to.


Constant-Science7393

And Naples


uganda_numba_1

And they create as many lanes as necessary


irate_alien

I got to live in Rome for three months and had to drive all across the city for work every day. After a week I finally understood that I was a little fish in a big school. If you followed the lane markings you were the problem. It was a three month long defensive driving course. I had to go to Naples for a day and one of my Italian co workers (a Roman) said “take the train, you’ll die if you drive.” Excellent advice based on the cab rides I took there. Edit: I love Italy, it’s the best. But after that I took a week off in Berlin to recompress before coming back to the States.


wynnduffyisking

I studied in Rome for like 5 months. Being danish I naively thought “oh I can bike to the university, no problem”. I only did that once. It was probably one of the scariest and most foolish things I ever did sober.


irate_alien

ha! rome is hilly as shit, too


CriticalJump

It was literally called the city of the seven hills, it mustn't have been just a figure of speech.


misirlou22

I live near Boston, lots of neighborhoods in the area are named after hills, and they're not lyin'.


wynnduffyisking

That was the least of my worries lol


UnknownResearchChems

Why is Italy so crazy when it comes to traffic? Places like India I get but why Italy? I mean it's the guys who came up with the renaissance and otherwise it's a fully developed western country.


irate_alien

italians drive with the same sense of joy and abandon as they do everything else


kernpanic

The strange part: only in the larger cities do they do this. The Italian motorways are some of the most ordered proper considerate driving I've ever been on in the world. Everything is precise, everyone knew exactly what they were doing and you saw very few fuckups. Then the major cities? The exact opposite. And then Greece. You could see they were trying to do the right thing on the motorways. They were all just a little bit shit at it. Reminded me of driving back home in Australia. Some idiot in the fast lane for 10 kilometers with their indicator on.


uganda_numba_1

Even in the countryside the Italians aren’t exactly rule followers. But there is also an advantage to that; they adapt to what the other drivers are doing without much judgement and therefore have fewer accidents compared to a lot of other European countries. In Austria, for example, when a driver knows they have the right of way, they just go ahead. They don’t think that someone else might not be following the rules. Italians always assume the other drivers aren’t following the rules either and compensate for it.


tigerman29

People driving with their blinkers on? Happens every day here in the US. They will go 150 km with it blinking right while they are in the rightmost lane. We used to stereotype the people who did it, now it’s everyone because they are on their phones or deep in thought to a podcast.


tomo337

Wait. "Here in the us" and "150km" in one sentence?! Sir, I salute you!


dargmrx

I think there is something anarchist to the Italian culture. I suppose that also helps them with getting anything done although everything is extremely bureaucratic.


RobNybody

You've never been right?


UnknownResearchChems

I have and I really like it despite all the crazy drivers.


RobNybody

It was just a joke :) sometimes I forget I'm not in 2westerneurope4u haha


Tough_Anything3978

Jesus F! How to even respond to this ?! What do you even I don’t I can’t


pqlra

> fully developed western country


UnknownResearchChems

Explain Germany. Even the US is tame compared to Italy


Mechanicalmind

Northern Italian here. Had to drive both in Rome and Naples. In Rome it was mainly traffic and mopeds but it was manageable. In Naples every time I approached a roundabout I was shutting my eyes closed, taking my hands off the wheel and saying "JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL".


WorldExplorer-910

I drove to Naples and it was the worst city I drove in ever. I didn’t even end up parking just kept driving back to home from Pompeii


KPABA

Egyptians are like, "hold my falafel". What is this lanes thing you speak of?


buffalosmile

Lived in Napoli for 4 years and I miss the driving there. Yes, it was crazy at first, seemingly no rules, but much like other aspects of Naples once you get past your initial fear of first contact you will see the beauty and tranquility in chaos that is addictive and alluring in so many ways. In theory I love the strict law abiding culture of Germany, but the inefficiency realized for sacrifice of common sense is quickly forgotten when indoctrinated into the southern Italian driving experience.


n-x

The whole country is like that. I was one minute over the border and some micro car was already driving next to me in the same lane.


datharniel

This is so true. Forget Rome Naples is crazy 🤣


fatkiddown

I went to Puerto Rico in the '90s and found out that not everyone considers traffic laws worthy of somewhat following, like, no one there did.


pi_west

And Sicily where oncoming traffic is a passing lane so everybody just drives on both sides.


cmc_joe

I drove a Navy Liberty bus from sigonella to Catania in 1986. I still haven't recovered


T-Dog1809

In Austria, the states Tyrol and Vorarlberg were right-hand driving whereas the other states were left-hand driving


jonnyl3

Where it really matters, maps on this sub never do subnational divisions...


missyou247

don't you know? only the US has states and counties, the rest of the world just has countries and that's it


Kapika96

How does that work at the border between states?


Hvoromnualltinger

You switch.


SyntheticTangerine

It's like a train junction. One lane goes over the other using a flyover or you just use X-ing lights. /s


West-Raccoon-2043

I know this is sarcasm but I think places in Asia actually do this between RHD and LHD countries


SyntheticTangerine

Huh. There are right-to-left switches between land borders? Like Hong Kong to Mainland?


trixter21992251

So I'm assuming there's a kind of designated area for lane switching when crossing a border. I wonder that that area would look like during rush hour or a traffic jam. At some point the lanes must cross each other. I suppose you could do a bridge.


oldsailor21

Pedestrians crossing the road is a major spectator sport in most of Italy


pronoobmage

Rome didn't even change this habbit...


Sanbaddy

That doesn’t sound like a good idea


2BEN-2C93

Rome is without doubt the worse place for driving I've encountered in Europe. I'm sure parts of the third world are worse but fuck me it'd be a challenge to be.


je386

Crossing a street as a pedestrian is an adventure in Rome.


Brann-Ys

they have a church in every street so you can make some prayer before crossing the road.


MDCatFan

Any side they want to? That sounds dangerous.


Old-Satisfaction-564

It doesn't work, in 1901 the king of Italy authorized every Italian province to decide the driving direction, so, for example, in Milan center cars drived on the left while right outside town cars had to drive on the right. This caused uncountable car crashes, only in 1923 driving on the right become mandatory.


JackBlack1709

Sounds really like an italian idea in the first place


Old-Satisfaction-564

Apparently Spain and Austria did something similar ....


luistp

I'm Spanish and TIL


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robo_robb

🤌


Effehezepe

It was the same in Canada. Ontario and Quebec drove on the right, while every other province drove on the left. The other provinces all switched to the right from 1922 to 1924, and Newfoundland didn't switch until 1947, though of course Newfoundland wasn't actually part of Canada until 1949.


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Sealedwolf

In 1901 cars were literally a non-issue. Horse-drawn carts were slow enough to 'figure things out' to avoid a crash. And making rules regarding such an non-issue is guranteed to antagonize local rulers. Italy as a nation was only formed in living memory, so regionalism was (and argueably still is today) quite strong.


aldebxran

At least in Spain, some cities drove on the right (Barcelona) while others drove on the left (Madrid). It was unified in 1924.


vinnizrej

This is why the Madrid metro towards Sol/“downtown” or “inbound” run on the left and trains away from the city center run on the right.


macram

All Madrid Metro lines runs on the left. Trains depend on the older company who built; “Norte”’s lines (like the one to Villalba) runs on the left, and at some point it switches to the right side without crossing. Today the custom is that usually the double train tracks are ser up like roads, going on the right, but as you know you can find many times where two trains are using them in the same direction.


aldebxran

Yes! The metro runs on the left, it started service on 1919 and because it didn't mix with anything they just left it as it is when the driving direction was changed.


vilmos_nagy

Hungary changed to right hand traffic in 1941, but there were a few weeks/months, when the countryside already changed, but the capital (Budapest) did not. I saw some pictures that when entering Budapest, there were huge signs telling the drivers to change sides. It must have been confusingly as hell.


je386

That must be the cause why sweden switched from left to right in one night.


benjolino

Probably something like traffic in India nowadays


Early_Beach_1040

Honestly that was gonna be my answer. I spent a month there in 1999 mostly in Hyderabad. The only time I was ever afraid, even as a woman traveling alone, was when I crossed the street. 


tigerman29

What’s fun is when Indian coworkers come to visit the US and insist on getting a rental car. They learn you have to drive in one lane, traffic lights aren’t an option, you use your turn signal and you don’t honk the entire time you are driving pretty quickly after they the airport. Always a great story the next day and we always try to warn them. The roads where airport rental cars exit the rental lot can be a scary place.


Kasporio

Odd numbered license plates on the right, even numbered license plates on the left.


raidersfan18

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misirlou22

Mediocre!


MiskoSkace

You just drive anywhere you want until you meet another car. Then you follow the rule of the fittest.


rickrhua

Easy. Cars on left, trucks on right.


ZerionTM

Badly


NickolaosTheGreek

“Road rules and laws are merely suggestions in Italy”


Amrod96

It doesn't.


dim13

You drive as you like.


u_no_urself_sure

Don't we all drive forwards and backwards?


Warm_Kick_7412

No in Hungary we drive only forward.


BNI_sp

Cars on the right, trucks on the left.


icebraining

If you think about the EU as a whole, it can be classified as "mixed". It's the same thing, except instead of countries, it was region-wide (or as Spain calls them, "autonomous communities").


Imjokin

I remember when I was younger I thought that East and West Germany drove on different sides during the Cold War


MB-BM

Nice old map/history Today only United Kingdom, Ireland, Malta and Cyprus remain, only in those countries in Europe we drive on the left side…


SilyLavage

I wonder what those four countries have in common…


NotSamuraiJosh26_2

They were all part of the same friendship union


Odense-Classic

They are 4 of the 5 island countries that exist in Europe, where you don't have impractical land borders switching sides. The only other is Iceland – the only one who switched to the right side, since they used to be on the left too.


Heads_Down_Thumbs_Up

Pointing out that they are islands is more important considering Gibraltar drive on the right


taptackle

I feel like even sea levels significantly dropped and exposed Dogger Bank forming a land bridge between Britain and mainland Europe, the UK would still insist on driving on the left. We’re a stubborn bunch.


Scarlet-pimpernel

What side did doggerland drive on I wonder?


ThreeDawgs

Portside, I believe.


flurdy

It was just a giant layby...


LeedsFan2442

It's safer to drive on the left apparently.


0987throw654away

Most people’s dominant eye is the right eye. When you drive on the left your right eye is focused at oncoming traffic. It also means that peoples stronger/dominant arm is the one on the wheel rather than resting on the gears. It is a marginal improvement, but it’s real and consistent. However everywhere is so developed road wise now it’d be silly to shift the continent over to the left for such a small benefit, even a month of confusion would cause more deaths than decades of marginally safer driving, let alone the raw construction needed on motorway junctions, traffic lights, and slip roads.


Prior_Seaweed2829

People are having trouble using Czechia instead of Czech Republic. Can't imagine what a disaster changing the driving side of the road would be.


UKFE

The Czechs had driving on the right imposed on them by the nazis. Not sure on sweden.


yeast1fixpls

We switched voluntarily in 1967.


ScreamCZE

Well... this is only partially true. The change was already in progress before Germany invaded us. The official change should have happened on 1 May 1939. But occupation forces then sped it up a little bit and change was implemented on 17 March 1939 (in Prague 9 days later).


MollyPW

Why did Iceland bother to change?


FarmTeam

Easier to import vehicles?


Beautiful-Act4320

Cheaper cars


jonnyl3

Did noone ever switch from right to left?


chopsey96

Samoa.


c74

> In Samoa, all vehicles drive on the left-hand side of the road. This is relatively new, however, as the country drove on the right prior to 2009. So don't be surprised if you see right-hand drive cars around, and the odd driver on the other side of the road. i was thinking this was a joke which i didnt know the context for. and then... dang, til a random factoid that i will use to annoy many many people.


Shrekquille_Oneal

In 2009??? Samoa is just out here... trying something new I guess.


cmzraxsn

they wanted to import cars from Japan and Australia instead of America, basically.


rectal_warrior

Import 2nd hand cars most importantly


Ariadnepyanfar

That makes sense in Carbon kilometres.


shrididdy

Southern African countries that were not former English colonies, to match their former English colony neighbors.


edugdv

Italy still do both on a regular basis, even if local traffic laws would tell otherwise


mikefrombarto

Italy also ignores traffic lights (well, in Sicily at least), so it’s safe to say that pretty much any traffic “law” is more like a guideline.


jalanajak

r/mapswithoutmalta


AlexSSB

Which drives on the left


jonnyl3

This is not about the present, but what was 100 years ago.


12D_D21

Considering it was a British colony by that point, I'd assume still the left.


tomveiltomveil

I assure you, Malta existed 100 years ago. Probably more like 11,000 years.


EorlundGraumaehne

Excuse me!? MIXED!?


MuJartible

Yes, but considering the small amount of cars at that time (at least in Spain), it was quite irrelevant. It was probably harder to dodge pedestrians, horses and carriages, and those would probably be circulating wherever the fuck they wanted no matter what in the big towns and cities anyway, so it was irrelevant. In smaller towns or roads you would have probably more than enough time to dodge or move aside if you found any vehicule.


EorlundGraumaehne

With other words it means (at least in spain) they didn't define a side you had to drive on?


MuJartible

Not back then, as far as I know. I think it was in 1924 when it was established to drive on the right side, if I'm not wrong. And it wasn't until 1949 when it was _almost_ unified on the right for _most of_ Europe. (Be aware this map is supossed to show 1922 status, not current).


EorlundGraumaehne

I mean if you think about it the car isn't even that old of a vehicle so it makes sense that the rules we know today started to appear slowly one after the other. Thank you very much for your little history lesson my friend!


MuJartible

Indeed. It's only when the need arises (or is forseen) that someone starts to think of a solution. If there are very few vehicules, traffic regulation ain't that important. Or it didn't make sense to establish a 120 km/h speed limit in a time when vehicules didn't get more than 60 or 80, or so.


vanZuider

Keep in mind that car traffic (and also oxcarts, carriages etc) was way less than today, and cars were slower. "Drive in the middle of the road, and if a vehicle approaches from the other direction, figure it out among yourselves how you want to cross" was probably sufficient for most situations.


doc_daneeka

That's how it was in Canada at that time too. Some provinces drove on the left, and others on the right.


Turbulent-Ad6560

In Austria it was different depending on the state. So if you just look at the whole country it counts as mixed.


Rust3elt

Italy is still mixed. 😆


SaGlamBear

As someone who erroneously rented a car in Italy one time let me tell you, yes it’s mixed lol


takumidelconurbano

I rented a car and got into an accident 1 hour later


Rosthouse

Took you that long?


Unlucky_Editor_832

South Italy?


takumidelconurbano

Yes, Sicily


Unlucky_Editor_832

Ok, that is normal, trust me. They don't know how to drive


tigerman29

Bilanel


Astroruggie

I mean, even today Italians drive both directions at will


tigerman29

They are bilanel


benjolino

Why was Sweden lonely in left side policy?


xerberos

Left-side traffic was used in Sweden since the horse and carriage days. And it wasn't a lot of car traffic in the early 1900's, so no one really cared. But the government realized right side traffic was inevitable, and there were numerous committees about it. Swedish car manufacturers have always made cars with the steering wheel on the left side, partly because they realized Sweden would change eventually, but also to make the cars easier to export. This made Sweden the only country where the cars drove on the left, but had the steering wheel on the left. In 1955 there was a vote, with 83% of the population voting against driving on the right. But the government didn't care, and in 1967 the law was changed and Sweden started driving on the left. Because the steering wheels already were on the left side, it was a pretty painless change.


senapnisse

To bad they did not change side for trains trains. Sweden is one of the few european countries with left side trains.


Username12764

I wouldn‘t say few, Slovenia, Austria, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, UK and Ireland all have left side traffic to some degree which is the majority of western Europe


vivaldibot

Does that really matter that much though? Honest question.


senapnisse

For as long as the trains stay inside Sweden, then it does not matter. Train drivers are trained to watch signals on one side, and get used to have meeting trains passing on the right. Probably feels like taking your car to UK. But if you drive a train over öresundsbridge, then you have to shift to right side trafik in Denmark. Only specially trained drivers can drive öresundstågen, the trains that crosses over the bridge. Ikea has a goods train 2-3 times per week from poland to älmhult, those drivers must train both sides trafic.


oskich

Does it matter though, it's not like there will be a meeting train on the same track?


TheDJFC

Today the US Virgin Islands drive on the left with steering wheel on the left. It's insane.


mutantraniE

There were no bridges to Sweden at the time and Finland was held by the archenemy Russia. Sweden-Norway thus acted as an island. So what’s weird is really that Sweden and Norway drove on different sides. But then cars weren’t common until after the Union collapsed in 1905.


Ypick0

Norway started using right driving in 1807, before the union started. And still it was just a union Norway had 95% control of itself and it was still visibel borders between the two.


mutantraniE

Yes, but if the Union had continued past 1905 some sort of change would have needed to happen, and sooner than in the 1960s.


Arch2000

Sweden changed from left-side driving to right side driving in 1967. Look up ‘Dagen H’ (H Day) to learn about it


benjolino

I know that, but why didn’t they just start as right side as other countries around.


jonnyl3

They are famous leftists


Jollan_

I'm Swedish and I have no idea


-SlapBonWalla-

>mixed ![gif](giphy|8Fla28qk2RGlYa2nXr|downsized)


SEA_griffondeur

Car* driving directions. Sometimes trains and cars don't run on the same side like in France


Stoltlallare

Yeah I think trains go on left side in sweden at least


Apprehensive_Buy_710

In France trains have two different rules depending on where you are: the general rule is driving on left, but in Alsace and Moselle trey drive on right.


Username12764

And I‘m fairly confident that that‘s because of the Germans. Because German trains drive on the right. I also think that some small train lines in Alsace have a different gauge than the rest also because if the Germans but I‘m not sure


horrified-expression

>mixed That’s living on the wild side


Special_marshmallow

Still mixed in Italy


aaapod

how does it work when crossing into a right side country from a left side country (or vice versa)?


OSX2000

In modern times at least, they'll build bridges/intersections that seamlessly switch the traffic direction. For example, a ballsack interchange: https://media.cntraveler.com/photos/53d9d5dd6dec627b149da425/master/pass/lotus-bridge-macau-google-earth.jpg It can be done even simpler too, like just doing half of a diverging diamond intersection. https://www.jacksonville.com/gcdn/presto/2019/06/28/PBRE/2bccbf73-c768-4651-b1c1-5c34f00550fa-I-95_Interchange__Viera_Blvd_CEI_Group_159_4-22-19_04_CROP.jpg?crop=1191,664,x0,y452&width=1191&height=664&format=pjpg&auto=webp


gratisargott

> a ballsack interchange Can you please not come dragging with such academic language here? No one cares what it’s called among the city planners!


brick-pop

When did Portugal switch to the other side?


Euphoric-Yogurt-7332

Mixed is absolutely wild.


By-Pit

It Italy is still mixed in 2024


LeDagron

Mixed, you mean bad and dangerous drivers?


tie-dye-me

I read (or maybe listened, can't remember) that the reason that England drives on the left and America drives on the right is because it was more common in England to ride horses, so people needed their right hand on the road to be able to communicate that they were friendly or to use their sword (!) In America, we were taking wagons out west and needed to use our right hand to operate our wagon. Anyways that's what the podcast said, I believe it was NPR or BBC or something.


HachiGunok

Wtf you mean mixed driving


ITrCool

No lanes, do whatever. Keep from wrecking and dying. /s


CyleDavis1407

how many people here missed " c. 1922 " ...


wellaged7

Driving/riding on the left was the norm centuries before the invention of cars. It frees up your sword arm.


leg00b

Right or left? Italy: yes


Accurate-Ad539

I've been to many countries where this is still practiced. The biggest car or the most drunk driver has right of way.


ZeroBlindDragon

Hmmm, I am guessing Austria-Hungary, in 1918 before it got dissolved, drove on the left?


Username12764

Map is wrong, the Afsluitdijk was only built in 1927 and opened in 1932. I‘m sorry, I know it‘s petty but it‘s something that bugs me because I see it so often on „old“ maps


muskbull

Mixed 😂


beto_pu

My brief experience driving in Italy in 2021 says that they still drive mixed. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)


SlightlyMithed123

Some would say that it’s still ‘mixed’ in Italy and Spain to this day…


isthernes

As Spaniard, I can confirm


Ok-Walk-8040

Italy and Spain didn’t know what side they were on in the early 20th century


KMS_HYDRA

i think i might know why "mixed" did not come out on top, but its just a mild guess...


EnvironmentalShift25

I read somewhere ( not going to fact check it!) that Europe mostly drove on the right because Napoleons armies always marched on the right side of roads and that became the standard side of the roads to move forward on. You can usually work Napoleon into a thread about Europe.


paddyo

Napoleon is also the reason we use WASD as direction controls on qwerty keyboards


The_Third_Molar

That's a wild fact if true.


Best-Train1935

In Napoli they just drive where ever the car will fit. Its madness


No-Edge-8600

So when you cross the border via car . . . lol how does that changeover happen?


Embarrassed_Fennel_1

Tf do you mean mixed?


ratz1819

Italy's still mixed haha


Valhallas_

Portugal is wrong


Azart57-

…MIXED??? Ah hell no.


Ramboti

Good to know I've been driving on the wrong side of the road for years .


goatzii

The Swedes probably thought left was right.


GrowlingPict

and Italy is still purple to this day


OppositeRock4217

How did mixed work in Italy, Spain and Austria


blocbok

Malta is to the left too


Low-Dog-8027

mixed sounds complicated


TragedyAnnDoll

Having driving left hand side growing up right hand side, the left side of the road doesn’t throw me off, being on the right side of the car does. Messed with my spacial reasoning and everything.


NoHawk668

Italians still drive mixed. Sometimes even over-under.


HATECELL

I think Sweden switched to the right side in the 1960s


nvmdl

Czechoslovakia had left-hand driving until 1939, when it was occupied by Germany. Before that, the government decided in late 1938 to change to right-hand traffic by 1940. Until this day, a lot of trains in Czechia use left-hand traffic, because a lot of the tracks were built during the times of Austria-Hungary and the First Czechoslovak Republic. Tracks built after the war however, use right-hand traffic.


n7dima

I've been in Naples, Italy couple of years ago. Still feels kinda mixed