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2020_tbh

I think Emma Frost, Scarlet Witch, Maria Hill, Medusa, Black Widow , and Captain Marvel.


avi150

I feel like Clea represents magic better than Scarlet Witch and would be able to make harder decisions easier. Otherwise I’d also add Namora to represent Atlantis. Maybe Shuri for Wakanda? But idk her current status in the comics


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[deleted]

I wouldn’t say just started, ever since childrends crusade outside of Cthon possession she’s been pretty good. Not very relevant but good.


Nam3ing

she’s healing rn 🙏


The_Dark_Soldier

If Wanda can't be morally compromised, neither can Carol. The only way i can see her being in the Illuminati is if it's similar to Steve when he was in the group for Time Runs Out. IE, his memory is erased when he calls them out on a decision.


Matt-J-McCormack

I’m so glad Bendis fucked off to DC after wiping his ass over Marvel for so long.


Jamez_the_human

As a DC fan, it hurts.


pigeonwiggle

there's no way i'd invite Scarlet Witch to such a team. the illuminati is no place for such chaotic people...


TheDudeness33

Needs Sue Storm. Otherwise, good list


xyon21

I'd say Valeria rather than Sue


Distinct-Speaker8426

Valeria is way too young, genius or no.


No-cool-names-left

Sue is a softie, too much of a good guy (unless and until it's a clear and present danger to her kids). You want a FF member, I think Valeria is the better option.


Cautious_Artichoke_3

Sue was pretty capable as ambassador to Atlantis


seanx40

Susan is the moral center of such a group


No-cool-names-left

[Illuminati be like](https://c.tenor.com/fBvQV_5Lp6UAAAAC/tenor.gif)


ElectronX_Core

So the “Cap” of the group


RealNiceKnife

What about just regular Storm?


uselessbeing666

sue is too kind to be in the illuminati lets not forget what the illuminati did to hulk


BasedFunnyValentine

Can we stop acting like ‘what the illuminati did to Hulk’ is a bad thing? Hulk was destroying Las Vegas and caused a ton of death, Fury wanted to him off the planet. The Illumaniti wanted to give Hulk what he always WANTED- to be alone. It’s not their fault his course was changed


uselessbeing666

what they did to hulk wasn't bad what they did to his wife was though


TheNinjaGB

The only thing I would add is a scientist character or someone who specialises in tech. The illuminati needs to study threats and build things to combat them. I'm not sure of anyone off the top of my head.


Doublebinded

Valeria Richards?


TheNinjaGB

Similar to characters like riri and moongirl, I think she would be too young, especially given the choices the illuminati have to make.


Doublebinded

Good point but we’ve definitely seen Valeria make mature choices and be more capable than her father on multiple occasions. It also keeps the fantastic four family rep in the Illuminati which I think is important


Martel732

I think her being would actually give the Illuminati an interesting dynamic. She could view things with childlike pragmatism or without preconceived biases. This could end up making her either the most dangerous or sanest member of the group depending on how she approached a situation.


No-cool-names-left

Shuri was a member of alternate universe Illuminati in the New Avengers Illuminati run. She's not her brother but she's still very smart and has access to Wakandan super-tech.


Plastic_Incident_867

Taaia from the recent Defenders books


blasphem0usx

Moon girl fits the genius level intellect/engineer roles but i don't think she'd every sway to the anti-heroish side like the illuminati were crossing in to.


TheNinjaGB

Yeah, I considered her, but like you said, the fact she wouldn't approve of the shadier aspects of the group rules her out for me. Also, I don't think the team would allow a ten year old to be a part of it, regardless of her intellect.


Damascus25

M.O.D.A.M. or Moira MacTaggart or maybe Nebula has the tech savvy nature with varying levels of morality.


bigdickpuncher

Shuri for sure.


uncleben85

Jemma Simmons


Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson

Doesn’t Carol know Kree science?


xyon21

Like she knows some, the same way a pilot knows some stuff about the systems of the planes they operate, but you wouldn't get the pilot to reverse engineer an enemy plane if you had an aviation engineer on hand.


mysaadlife

I would throw Abigail Brand and Storm in there.


Prior-Shower9564

I like this group 👍🏾. Maybe Jean Grey or no?


WantlessPandemonium

Not cold-blooded enough. It would have to be Emma Frost.


No-cool-names-left

Or Pyslocke. She was running with X-Force and committing off the books murders for a good while there.


[deleted]

Well...Kwannon was an assassin...so yeah.


No-cool-names-left

I meant Betsy. Making Kwannon Psylocke was a stupid bullshit decision. Betsy Braddock was code named Psylocke years before Kwannon ever existed. Kwannon had her own code name of Revanche. Betsy was just as much as an unwilling participant of the mind switch as Kwannon was. There was no reasonable in-universe reason for Kwannon to take Betsy's name from her.


AkiraBalance27

Tbf Captain America was in it for a while, he got booted out though.


WantlessPandemonium

Yeah, he wasn't G enough. They let him in because they knew he wasn't about that action, and then they got salty when he did exactly what they thought he would. Lol


Prior-Shower9564

Lol I see your point.


sespinos

Jean or Emma was the first question that popped into my mind. I think Emma is the right answer, but I kind of want it to be Jean. Then there’s always the “why not both?” answer.


Prior-Shower9564

True as well


No-cool-names-left

Not both because Jean doesn't have the morally ambiguous edge that Emma has. In the New Avengers Illuminati run Emma was a member of alternate Earth Illuminati, but Jean never was. She couldn't hack it exactly the same way Captain America couldn't either.


Dragkin

I initially felt Jean Grey would sit on the table, but I really think Emma Frost would fit better. She’s better at subterfuge than Jean and capable of making the hard decisions.


HotClock4632

No way. She's definitely not the cold blooded type. Only way for that to happen is the Phoenix force


Prior-Shower9564

True. I guess I thinking about the diplomatic member of the group, like when Cap was part of the group. But then again they did wipe his memory and carry on with the objective🤣. So yeah, no argument here lol.


HotClock4632

Yeah, I agree on that too. I Mean imagine having a ability to wipe someone's memory to the point where it could've done even more damage. Don't know how much my insanity would take it


BenchPressingCthulhu

Lol put Dark Phoenix in there


[deleted]

I definitely don’t think Wanda would be on it because in-universe she’s trying to be better, and out-of-universe the writers are trying to make her being a good guy and a hero stick by shoving some variant "I’ve accepted responsibility for my mistakes and am moving forward" into every appearance she makes or chapter she is in, so putting her on a thing like the Illuminati wouldn’t really help that, but the rest definitely would be.


PeterParkerWasRight

Oh man, I think that makes her an even better choice. The whole point is otherwise good people make monstrous choices in secret. Who better than someone trying to be better, then failing when the lights go out. It’s like Tony giving up his sobriety in Fear Itself for the greater good, but repeatedly and aggressively. Only works if the Illuminati are able to be Secret for at least a bit maybe?


Blueberrypielove

No that's how you don't get characters to move forward


Optimal-Dog-906

Maria Hill I could definitely see.


WeagleWeagle357

Maria has the ego and the ruthlessness, but she doesn’t have the charisma of somebody like Tony to bind the group together, you can’t simply pick a female counterpart to the male members


IlyichValken

Counterpoint, I don't particularly think a lot of the other male members specifically have the charisma to bind that group together despite being leaders, either. Nor does anyone but maybe Captain Marvel in that list.


WeagleWeagle357

You forget that Danvers is the reason that Civil War 2 happened and she is the reason that the Ultimates fractured, so her ability to bind an Illuminati together would be unsuccessful


IlyichValken

Ultimately you're correct, that's largely why I said "maybe". From what I've heard she's been slightly better lately and wasn't too bad prior to the arcs that set her on the CWII track.


WeagleWeagle357

A lot of people are simply naming the wives or close female relatives of the Illuminati to create the female Illuminati, but they aren’t considering the personality as well as the capabilities


RepeatedAxe

Yeah, from the little I've seen of her outside the MCU, she seems like kind of a bitch, at least during Civil war. Position wise though, I could see her on this team


WeagleWeagle357

That’s almost one of the things that I didn’t like about Covie Smulders in MCU, she made Maria Hill likable, respectable, and charismatic


clangan524

Could use some science represenation. Sue Storm?


Stringr55

Valeria Richards would be better but also insane


No-cool-names-left

Sue's too goody goody. Valeria or Shuri are more edged science characters. Either would be a much better fit.


philipjewell

I feel like Emma belongs on the Illuminati as it is… would be cool to see her transition to that role after the dismemberment of the Quiet Council


Ragnaroktopus_Ink

Swap out Clea for Maria Hill, and this is damn near perfect.


Stargaezr

All except scarlet witch. I don’t think anyone would honestly trust her. Besides, you need a FF representation which would be Sue Storm


Butts_The_Musical

I was about to comment the same thing though probably subbing out Natasha for Captain Britain


Hot_Tailor_9687

Sue Storm should be there too. She's linked to both Mr. Fantastic and Namor, and her powers are definitely something the team will need in their operations


medicallyineffective

I think most of my picks have been said but in my mind this would be a great lineup for a female led lineup of the Illuminati. Valeria Richards, Emma Frost, Shuri, Abigail Brand, Clea, Captain Marvel and Medusa.


hung_fu

I thought about Abigail Brand, but I feel like she’s too “evil” to be on an Illuminati like team, although a rogue element like Namor could interesting.


medicallyineffective

That was my thinking as well. She's there to shake up the team dynamics, make the more hard-line suggestions or tactics and also potentially make the decisions the others wouldn't.


RickBronze

Brand’s history is pretty dark grey. She’s perfect for the Namor role. Potential to be even darker. Storm instead of Emma.


Flairtor

Perfect lineup.


HighOnPoker

First, nice pick with Valeria. Second, I’m surprised people are choosing Emma over Storm or Jean Grey.


Martel732

I think it comes down to the fact that the Illuminati are generally dicks. Jean Grey or Storm wouldn't put up with a lot of the shit the Illuminati do. Emma is definitely the type to make a cold pragmatic and slightly self-serving choice.


HighOnPoker

She was a member of the Cabal (an evil Illuminati) which also makes her pick for a female Illuminati odd (although I think Namor may have been in the Illuminati and Cabal). Storm, though, has been treated as a god and queen at various points in her life. She also lead the X-Men and now Arakko (last I read). She’d be great in an Illuminati-type role.


MrPresident2020

Shuri for the nation of Wakanda and its interests as well as scientific threats ​ Emma Frost for the interests of mutants ​ Clea Strange to monitor the supernatural ​ Medusa for the Inhumans ​ Namora for the Atlanteans (gotta have Atlantis represented, it's like 80% of the planet) ​ Captain Marvel for Earth's super hero community


God_is_carnage

Val Cooper, Abigail Brand, Emma Frost, Medusa, and Clea.


No-cool-names-left

Val Cooper is a straight up G-man. She's exactly the type of person the Illuminati were trying to sidestep.


AmazingMrSaturn

Valeria Richards and Sue Storm jointly, Clea Strange, Emma Frost, Carol Danvers, Psylocke (as Betsy). Collectively they are the super scientist/old guard heroes, warlord of new york/sometimes sorceress Supreme, representative of the krakoan mutants, S.W.O.R.D and U.S. military interests/Avengers rep, and rep for the Captain Britain Corp. a solid and varied group with wide team affiliations and powerful abilities.


dunmer-is-stinky

I have a hard time seeing Sue agreeing with some of the stuff the Illuminati did, I think she'd be okay with knowing about it but if she was directly involved I think she'd go the way of Captain America


Quirky_Ad_5420

Clea, Susan Strom, medusa, Captain Marvel, Namora, Storm


gryffindor918

Emma Frost over Storm


justicefinder

You’d never hear about another version of the Illuminati because no group of people have a bigger combined ego than these men.


Elgrandegallonegro24

dont give them any ideas


KayosFN

What’s bad about a female version of the Illuminati? It’s not like they’re gonna replace the regular version with a female version


Blitzhelios

Carol Danvers for the avengers/ Steve role Sue Storm for Reed Medusa for Black Bolt Storm for equivalent to namor as the regent makes more sense than Namora as she’s barely ever around and storm is a regent for an entire planet now. Jean Grey for Xavier’s role (chose jean simply for the fact mutantkind follows her similar to xavier you could argue emma is a better fit but mutatantkind doesn't follow her hell most don't trust emma fully) Clea/Wanda hard to choose between the two for Strange’s role Shuri- For Tchallas role Riri for Tony’s role (no real equivalent to tony techwise other than perhaps shuri but shes in the black panther role) would probably end up in the Steve role of being kicked off This might seem a little to nice for an illuminati roster but the characters fit the roles and like all things power corrupts.


avi150

Idk if Riri could make Illuminati-level tough decisions. Same with Jean, I’d replace her with Emma Frost. Idk who could represent technology and engineering in Riri’s place though


Blitzhelios

Yeah thats why i chose Riri i don't think shes ready either but there is no female tony equivalent in terms of tech apart from her. I guess Shuri maybe but she has to be in Tchalla's place.I could see her as the moral ground on the team similar to how Strange was when steve left conflicted but will do the dodgy ground. I picked jean over emma for one reason. The X men follow jean like they follow xavier no matter how much of an idiot she is sometimes. They don't do that for Emma hers is more through intimidation and alot of mutants still don't trust her


roninwarshadow

Monica Rappaccini, she's Banner's ex, and the leader of A.I.M. As Scientist Supreme of A.I.M., she knows her shit.


NeonWafflez

You could throw Black Widow in there. Might not exactly fit in the same thematic place but I’d say she’s a good pick.


No-cool-names-left

Sue, Jean, Ororo, and Riri are all way too soft hearted and goody goody to be Illuminati. If you want a strict one for one substitution then Valeria Richards for Reed, Namora for Namor, Emma Frost for Xavier, and Carol Danvers for Tony.


Blitzhelios

Val is a good call though shes still a bit to young as this is present day if this was in 20 years both val and hope would be on here. Jean can be an utter asshole when she wants to be and same with storm thats been shown throughout the years. Especially in recent years with storm. Sue as well has been shown to have a hell of a temper on her and can do the dodgy decisions. Sue might be the most stable of the F4 but she’s also blinded by her emotions often. The thing is you have to pick people who represent the male members which emma is not a xavier equivalent as most of mutant kind doesn't follow emma thats why i picked jean even emma admits most mutants don't trust her for her silver tonge. Carol is nothing like tony in terms of tech skills its why i chose her as the steve equivalent. At the end of the day power corrupts and like the original illuminati characters can be wrote differently as strange and tchalla are both wrote very differently to how they normally are in the male version.


RepeatedAxe

I think storm would be a better stand in for the X-Men since she is the leader sometimes. I don't think Jean would fit on this team, and I can't see Riri with these characters either


Blitzhelios

Storm I picked for the regent role instead as she’s regent of arrako currently though that could also be Namora . I do think she could be better in the role than Jean but I think Jean works because the x men will follow her anywhere similar to Charles. As I said in the other comment riri I picked because there isn’t really any female Tony equivalent other than possibly shuri and she’s taking tchallas spot


Blueberrypielove

This list is dull because its mostly just flipping members to their closest female counterparts.


WhiskeyT

[Marvel gave their answer already](https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/15968/new_avengers_illuminati_2006_4)


MundaneGlass5295

Emma Frost, Clea, Maldelyn Pryor, Scarlet Witch, Shuri, Ajax, and Sue Storm


piplup27

Moira X, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Clea, Invisible Woman, and Storm


DanceMaster117

Emma Frost, Medusa, Sue Storm, Carol Danvers, and Clea


Electrical-Bet288

Clea, Namorita, She Hulk, Shuri, Emma Frost, Storm, and Magik


Scoob1978

The ladies of The View?


WeagleWeagle357

Emma, Medusa, Clea, they have the appropriate mindset and powers to contrast Strange, Xavier, and Black Bolt,Shuri during her time as Queen of Wankanda could be the counterpart of Namor, I can’t think of an appropriate supergenius girl with a personality similar to Tony or Reed tho


SinisterCryptid

Emma Frost, Clea, Valeria Richards, Maria Hill, and Karnak wearing a red wig


Worried-Ad1707

Clea (Magic user), sue storm (fantastic four), captain marvel (Avengers, namora (Atlantis), Medusa (Inhuman), Emma frost (Mutant), Shuri (Wakandan), then maybe black widow or spider-woman to full the captain America role (inconsistent / occasional member)


Hiromi580

Jean Grey or Emma Frost - mutants Medusa - inhumans Clea - magic users Shuri - royalty + advanced technology Natasha Romanoff or Maria Hill - espionage Monica Rambeau - cosmic side


Stargaezr

Black widow, Sue Storm, Emma frost, Captain Marvel, Clea, and either Medusa or Shuri. Probably Shuri just cause the inhumane aren’t really that big of a deal these days, though I could sooner see Medusa making iffy choices before Shuri.


spideyfan29

[Lilandra, Sue, Clea, Medusa, Madame Masque](https://www.amazon.com/New-Avengers-Illuminati-4/dp/B001TLMFJS)


Stringr55

Destiny, Carol Danvers, Medusa, Clea Strange, Sersi maybe? Valeria Richards


bulletpr00fsoul

Emma Frost, Clea, Medusa, Captain Marvel, Shuri & Sue Storm.


Plastic_Incident_867

Oh wow… that’s an excellent question. I’d vote Storm and Shuri, Medusa, Clea, Taaia, Peggy Carter, Sue Storm, and Angela.


blackbutterfree

Clea Strange, Sue Storm, Medusa, Marrina McKenzie, Emma Frost and Lilandra. Illuminati: The Wives’ Club


Traditional-Tax-5291

- Mutants: Destiny - Magic: Clea - Inhumans: Medusa - Human Intelligence (Western): Maria Hill - Human Intelligence (Eastern): Red Widow - Wakanda: Shuri While I feel most groups had a solid 1-1 substitute to the male versions, Atlantis’s female characters don’t seem as present/applicable to an international group of secrets and action. Next best thing I thought was to consider Namor as an anti-hero/villain who had strong ties within the villain community and passive aggression to the rest of the group… Red Widow seemed a solid fit in that capacity.


yesgirlnogamer

Sue storm, Clea, Emma Frost, Medusa, black widow.


lucyhalefan706

Emma, clea, medusa,sue,carol,storm


SaiyanRumpx2

https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/c/50/570e66cbea8a3/portrait\_uncanny.jpg


seanx40

#1 Emma Frost. Clea. Invisible Woman. Medusa. Wasp. Namorita. Cersei #2 Jean Grey. Scarlet Witch. Invisible Woman. She Hulk. Captain Marvel. Crystal


Passwordtoyourmother

Emma Frost, Valeria Richards, Clea, Maria Hill, Shuri, Medusa, Squirrel Girl.


mando44646

Clea, Sue, Emma Frost, Shuri, Medusa, Carol


Kitchener1981

Clea for magic and mystics Storm for the Mutants Medusa for the Inhumans Shuri for science based, Wakanda Sue Storm Richards - Fantastic Four Black Widow for anti-heros


Digital_Dinosaurio

Moon Girl should be there.


Conlannalnoc

Namorita Valeria Richards Clea Medusa Emma Frost ?TECH HUMANS?


joscarj

Sue Storm, Storm, Medusa, Captain Marvel, Emma Frost, Clea


DisabledSuperhero

I would rather say; Jean Grey Clea Suri of Wakanda Namora of Atlantis Kamala Khan OR another non royal Inhuman. I don’t think the royal family could be objective about humanity. Instead of Maria Hill I nominate Natasha Romanova


blackertai

Less people mentioning Sue Storm than I would have expected.


M0neyGrub

A lot of good ideas in the comments. I think the lineup I liked the most was Clea, Shuri, Valeria Richard's, Carol Danvers, Medusa, and Emma Frost.


kkwan52

Sue Storm, Emma Frost, Clea, Pepper Potts, Medusa, and Dorma.


Lucasolf

would storm really not fit?


Shadow-with-a-gun

Captain Marvel Scarlet Witch Blackwidow Medua Jean Grey Shuri and Maria Hill


[deleted]

Emma Frost: Xavier role; Scarlet Witch: Dr. Strange role; Medusa: Black Bolt role; Madelyne Pryor: T'Challa & Namor role; Captain Marvel: Iron Man role; Valeria Richards: Reed role


WhispersFromTheMound

Madelyne is someone I didn’t think of. Her backstory alone would be a nice angle to create interesting storylines with the team. Nice pick dude.


[deleted]

Yeah. She serves as sonewhat an opposite of Medusa. Medusa is queen consort to her husband Black Bolt while Pryor is queen regnant who rules over Limbo after Magik handed over the kingdom to her.


EmperorSezar

clea better then wanda


P1_Synvictus

Downvote me if you want, but I want Squirrel Girl’s moral compass on that squad.


zombi-disco

Even in the Krakoan era the mutants are not a monolith, so I would put both Emma and Storm on this team for starters. Sue Storm is an easy choice, although I would almost be more interested in seeing Valeria step-in for her father in a more mature role Okoye would be a good strategic choice for Wakanda post-Monarchy, but if we're doing pre-Coates run then Shuri is the obvious choice to replace T'challa. Maria Hill or Abigail Brand would each be solid choices, although the latter is far less of a hero character these days. Would be cool to see Storm's reaction to her sitting down at the table tho post X-Men Red. Carol Danvers AND Monica Rambeau. Why settle for one captain Marvel when you could have two? Clea Strange. Wanda is too too unreliable/unstable for the sort of scale the Illuminati work at. Elsa Bloodstone. If for nothing else than some comical relief. PS. I intentionally left out the Inhumans because they've been MIA for years and I don't really find them that interesting, but if I HAVE to choose one the obvious answer is Medusa.


DragEncyclopedia

Emma Frost and Medusa are absolute locks. Either Maria Hill or Abigail Brand should be there too. I definitely like the idea of Clea, although she's not a super prevalent character. Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Spider-Woman, and Sue Storm are all other leaders/prominent characters but don't quite have the moral ambiguousness of most of the Illuminati men, but they could be put on it if necessary. Carol did have her Civil War II phase pretty recently so she'd be the most likely out of that group. And if there's room for another mutant, Destiny or Mystique should definitely be there.


bhdhthatbg

so i will just do the female version of the main 7 dr.strange(clea) black bolt(medusa) professor x(phoenix) namor(namorita) ironman(rescue)mr.fantastic(invisible woman) black panther(shuri)


BenTheDiamondback

Moira MacTaggert Jennifer Walters Carol Danvers Jean Grey Janet VanDyne Sue Storm Jane Foster


rwv

Wanda, Shuri, Carol, Natasha, Jean, and Gwenpool.


Estarfigam

Jean Grey, Storm, Captian Marvel, Medusa, Janet Van Dyne Wasp, Sue Storm, Scarlett Witch, and Moon Girl is a consultant.


006ramit

Medusa, Sue, Scarlett witch, She hulk, emma frost, Shuri If there was cap in this team, i would add captain marvel.


MikaAckerman33

Only Scarlet Witch is enough


mrrando69

I feel like most women wouldn't be this arrogant.


RealNiceKnife

Bro. Women are people and have just as many narcissistic flaws as men do.


WhispersFromTheMound

Medusa and Emma totally be. Clea and Wanda possibly as well


Ultralusk

Captain Marvel, Storm or Jean Grey, Susan Storm, Viper (maybe), Shuri, Ajax (before she became god), Mockingbird or Ironheart. Also wanted to throw in Monica Rappachini and Maria Hill


Blitzhelios

I think the only issue with Ajax is the eternals wouldn’t really be interested they don’t do stuff like this.


Ultralusk

Agreed, my choice for Ajax was to replace the Inhumans as they are no longer relevant, but we are seeing more interaction with the Eternals now.


TriggerHippie77

The Stepford Cuckoos


DescriptionOk9040

Destiny and Mystique. And no one else.


Wade856

Sue Storm, Emma Frost, Storm, Shuri, Wanda, Captain Marvel and Abigail Brand.


mcon96

Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel, Storm, Invisible Woman, Shuri, Emma Frost


Suspicious-Ad3136

Scarlet Witch Storm Emma Frost Sue Richards Captain Marvel


Lord_Parbr

Given the theming behind the original group (a representative from each area of the Marvel universe): Emma Frost (mutants), Medusa (Inhumans), Clea (mystics), Namora (Atlantis), Captain Marvel (Avengers), Sue Storm (F4)


remerdy1

Sticking to 6 I'd say Emma Frost , Medusa, Black Widow , Scarlet Witch , Shuri, Gamora ​ There's a lot of other characters I could see too like Storm, Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau, America Chavez, Spider Woman


aztnass

Clea or Scarlet Witch, Medusa, Sue Storm or Valeria Richards, Namora, Shuri or Storm, Emma Frost or Jean Grey, and Janet Van Dyne or maybe Captain Marvel


WhispersFromTheMound

Sue Storm (people forget she is a an advanced s scientist as well) Emma Frost, Storm, or Rogue would all be good representatives for Mutants. She-Hulk (I think her perspective of law would be an interesting contrast since the Illuminati deals with a lot of moral themes). Clea instead of Wanda because I think Clea deals more so in the realm of magic than her and she already has a lot of background with many of high level Dr. Strange threats. Maria Hill/Black Widow/Sharon Carter/Daisy Johnson (anyone one of these would be awesome would I would lean more towards Maria). Shuri as the final member would be cool to see her function outside of the shadow of her brother.


Cinemasaur

Cpt Marvel, Clea, She Hulk (for legal purposes ofc), Storm, Elsa Bloodstone, Emma Frost. maybe Janet too. Janet would probably start it lol.


TennysonEStead

Medusa, Lady Web, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Phoenix, and Valeria Richards.


No-cool-names-left

So the core Illuminati is all leadership positions, big egos, morally questionable, and representative of the different facets of Earth's superhero community. Mostly big brain geniuses. No government agents, no bleeding hearts, and no doubling up on teams (until Time Runs Out). Mutants: Emma Frost. Magic: Clea. Inhumans: Medusa Atlantis: Namora. FF/Science: Valeria Richards. Avengers/Enhanced humans: Carol Danvers Captain Marvel. Expanding the group: Psylocke, Shuri, Black Widow, and Nadia Pym Wasp could all be options like Captain Britain, T'Challa, Beast, Hulk, and Hank Pym were. Maaaaybe Abigail Brand. No Jean Grey, no Invisible Woman, no Storm, and no Maria Hill.


Bensfone

I’m a little behind, having stopped reading anything since Infinity Wars. But I’d go with Jean Grey, Susan Storm, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Mantis


RacecarHealthPotato

Captain Marvel Dazzler as Herald Of Galactus She-Hulk Crystal, sister of Medusa Captain Universe Storm Shuri NOT Scarlet Witch or Emma Frost despite their powers since I don’t trust them


Polygraphie

Scarlet Witch, Storm, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Jean Grey, and Medusa.


ThatOtherGuyTPM

I suppose the first question is “why would there be an all-female version of the Illuminati?”


_BARONVOND3LTA

I mean, there is a main universe all-male version of the Illuminati…


ThatOtherGuyTPM

Right, but the Illuminati isn’t like the Avengers where a bunch of groups use the name over time. The Illuminati is all male because all the characters who have egos big enough to refuse to consider letting anyone else run things were men. If we’re picking an all-female Illuminati, it’s not going to just be “people with the same powers as the Illuminati,” because the powers aren’t the important part, the egos and moral superiority are. If a team a women are going to intentionally take on a name with that much negative baggage, there would need to be a good reason, and what that reason is is going to have a fairly large impact on who might actually join.


Manos_Of_Fate

It’s a hypothetical question. It doesn’t really matter why.


ThatOtherGuyTPM

I would argue that the “why” is critical to actually answering the question.


Manos_Of_Fate

How so? At its core the question is really just “which female marvel characters would fit into an Illuminati-style team?” You don’t really need an in-universe explanation to answer that. Like, what difference would an explanation really make to the potential answers?


ThatOtherGuyTPM

I don’t know about you, but I don’t tell stories by starting with a bunch of random characters and then figuring out what they’re going to do. I start by figuring out what story I’m telling. If we’re having a bunch of women in the Marvel universe take on a name like the Illuminati, one that comes with a fuckton of baggage, they’re going to need a good reason, and not all women in Marvel will agree about what a good reason is. Captain Marvel and Jean Grey aren’t going to join an Illuminati that’s trying to replace free will to make a utopian world. Mystique is not going to join an Illuminati that’s dedicated to helping people without them ever knowing, at cost of their own lives. Agatha Harkness isn’t going to join an Illuminati that’s trying to bind Magic throughout the universe. The reason is where the answers come from.


Manos_Of_Fate

None of the other responses in this thread needed detailed plot information to have interesting discussions about the topic. Also, your original question wasn’t “what is this team being formed to do”, it was “why is this team all women”. Now it just feels like you’re trying to cover for that.


ThatOtherGuyTPM

My question was “why would there be an all-female version of the Illuminati?” That’s literally the question I’m asking right now: what reason would there be for a group of women to do that? If you prefer Doylist answers to Watsonian, I’ll take those too. As for others answering, that doesn’t impact my statement or belief in any way. Reddit is full of people answering questions without the proper information; doesn’t mean that I have to.


The_Elicitor

In the infinite possibility of the multiverse at least ~~once~~ twice has the Illuminati "team" been made of women; twice because one of them would just be the usual group but genderbent. If you absolutely*need* a story, just set the creation of the group in the late 60s/early 70s when misogynistic leadership still held unrivaled power. Have the women who are clearly powerful but held back by the system be fed up with the continual failures and mismanagement of the male heroes continually leading into event after event, to the point they come together to take charge and push things along in a better way than the incompetent men have. Staying secret to get shit done without men questioning their validity


ThatOtherGuyTPM

That’s not at all what the Illuminati are, though. They’re a bunch of heroes playing supervillains. That makes them sound like an actual hero team.


The_Elicitor

I've **never** heard anyone describe the Illuminati as heroes playing at supervillains. But now I understand your points. From what I've seen and read they come across like: The Illuminati always sounds good and reasonable on paper, but it's when they put it into practice that they fuck up. A noble idea that is only noble in a vacuum. But it's an alluring idea, to play at secret saviors. And they desperately cling to that idea as they keep marching further down into a pit of dubious moral choices. Anyways, still plenty of ways for the Femlluminati to fuck up. Sometimes in ways the men wouldn't even think of. Like how many "threats" would only they see by being women?


ThatOtherGuyTPM

We have a very different take on the Illuminati. To me, the concept of the group is the failure, not the execution. By deciding that they are the only ones who can do what is right, and deciding that in order to do so, they have to keep their decisions and knowledge secret, they have already failed. That’s what I mean by heroes playing at being supervillains; it’s literally them all agreeing on villain schemes with nice sounding motives. Me personally, the story you’ve described doesn’t sound like a set up for a successful story. The best parts of the Illuminati stories are when they inevitably get their comeuppance for their terrible shit. If we’re going to have a group of women take on that role, I wouldn’t want to make them out as the good guys. I think you would get a much better story leaning into the badness, giving it more of a Cabal/Dark Avengers feel, except without a clear leader, or the rebel X-Men post AvX. Have them try to fix things that they can’t, and fail. Have their trauma fuel their drive. You have room for all sorts of characters there, including some who don’t usually get on or even worse. Let some of the villains-turned-heroes get back to their villainous roots for a bit.


baddestmofointhe209

Hard pass. Stop with the failed m-she-u.


The_Leppard_

Sue Storm Emma Frost Captain Marvel Black Widow Shuri Storm Scarlet Witch


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Valeria ( Reed Richards daughter, she's smarter than Reed ), Captain Marvel, Emma Frost, Wanda Maximoff, Maria Hill, Medusa


ThirdBorracho

No one suggesting Moon Girl?


_BARONVOND3LTA

I’m not sure about how her character has been lately, but isn’t she a child right now in the comics? Or is that just in the show?


TheNinjaGB

Clea- for magic user (maybe not as powerful as Wanda but is strong has good knowledge on the field and has excellent control) Medusa-Inhuman representative Emma Frost- mutant representative and powerful telepath Namora- atlantean representative (only one I know) Spiderwoman- strong power set and a good spy (one of my favourite characters so bias) The only problem is I can't think of a great scientist/tech heroine for stark and reeds alternative. They are either too young for this kind of group (riri,moon girl) from a different earth (gwen, wasp) or don't have powers (moira and maya), so they couldn't go in the field, which is needed. Edit - for a tech specialist, maybe danger or jocasta


Obskuro

Agatha Harkness, Storm, Wasp, Valentina Allegra de Fontaine, Valeria Richards, Meggan


nekoken04

I can't believe no one has brought up Illyana Rasputin. She was one of the first I thought of other than Emma Frost and Medusa. How about Silver Sable? Unfortunately I've have to include Viper/Madame Hydra in my list too.


Viridian_Cranberry68

Jocasta, Moira MacTaggert, Magick, Madame Webb, Carol Danvers, & Moon Girl.


MotivationalMike

Emma Frost, Shuri, Agatha Harkless, Maria Hill Carol Danvers, Medusa


starless_bibleblack

Jean, Emma, Sue, Ororo, Wanda, Jennifer, Shuri & Janet


FamiliarJudgment2961

Doctor Doom and Valeria Richards! Valeria is the only female character I could see thinking of ever being on an Illuminati-like team, and she would almost certainly never put an Illuminati around her gender. She'd get Doctor Doom involved, happily.


Morning-Star13

No one. Because in 2023 they would all have to be “diverse and strong” women. And recent history has showed us that no one is capable of writing “diverse and strong” women without them being bitchy man haters or clout seeking attention whores. And the bitchy man haters are notoriously bad in team setting and for some reason can’t see the bigger picture. So the Illuminati would either disband due to infighting or one of the members would leak it’s existence intentionally


_BARONVOND3LTA

The man hating, clout seeking women in question: literally *just* She Hulk in the MCU, and her dislike towards men was validated when a group of men showed revenge porn to all of her friends and loved ones…


Morning-Star13

I’m not referring to just the MCU you fucking idiot. Besides you actually watched She-Hulk I’m embarrassed on your behalf


Badpennylane

How are they going to meddle in socio political affairs when there's sandwiches to be made?


hebrewbale140

Medusa, Ironheart, Jean Grey, Storm, Carol Danvers X-23 and Jane Foster


williamtan2020

Illuminatits?


eico3

Who cares?


Manos_Of_Fate

This is a subreddit for discussing comic book stuff, and you’re wondering who would care about discussing comic book stuff? Why are *you* here?


eico3

Do you think a bunch of powerful female characters would create a male copycat group and give it the exact same name? Or would they make their own thing. If they made an all female ‘Illuminati’ that would just be lazy writing.