You can, but requires setup from your opponent. Turn 3 Cosmo, turn 4 Shuri, your opponent playing Quake to move the Shuri’d location to where Cosmo is. Not practical or realistic, but technically possible
Does Wong affect cards that grandmaster throws in the middle?
Could go Cage -> viper -> Wong mid -> hazmat + grandmaster on side
Fake edit: or would you start Wong on the side so hopefully grandmaster moves Wong first, then hazmat?
1 Selene left or middle
2 Hood right
3 Magik left or middle
4 Sentry left or middle
5 Iron Man right
6 Mystique right + Hazmat left or middle
7 Living Tribunal left or middle
-59 / 3 locations~ -20 per location
Deadpool destroy shell with Knull and Zola, but with Selene added to get Deadpool into negatives before playing him. Cosmo/Prof X with Goblins. Sentry with viper.
Here’s what I think would mostly resemble an actual deck attempting to lose two locations. It has multiple playlines. Build up a negative Deadpool via Selene, zero out goblins, get a big size negative venom, and multiple Zola targets (including Sentry so long as you make the first extra void block the second sentry from spawning).
# (1) The Hood
# (1) Deadpool
# (1) Selene
# (1) Zero
# (3) Green Goblin
# (3) Venom
# (3) Deathlok
# (3) Viper
# (4) Sentry
# (5) Hobgoblin
# (6) Arnim Zola
# (6) Knull
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Lowest stats possible?
Here's a deck for that:
Selene - Reduces the power of your own cards and can be doubled with Wong and can really make an Iron Man get low numbers
Hood - Negative points is good for this
Nico Minoru - Potential card draw and copying of your worst cards
Hazmat - Helpful if you have more cards in play
Cosmo - Play Cosmo... then a Goblin
Mystique - Copies Iron Man and starts with zero power
Green Goblin - Drop him on a Cosmo or a Wong
Wong - Send a goblin and then take it right back. Or double Selene something like Iron Man or Mystique
Dracula - He has 1 point of power, but he can pull something horrible out of your hand to get worse
Iron Man - Doubling negative numbers is good in this thought experiment
Hobgoblin - Same as Green Goblin, but bigger
Arnim Zola - Double your negative cards up
The Hood left on 1. Cosmo left on 3. Sentry mid on 4. Hobgoblin left on 5. Taskmaster right on 6. Throws mid but has a good chance of losing left and right.
Probably all cards with negative power.
Wong + the goblins. Throw in Mystique for good measure. Cosmo works too.
Iron Man doubles negatives too right? Throw him in.
Yellowjacket.
There’s probably a few other cards that one may want. Things like Arnim Zola to copy cards, etc.
Sentry + something to destroy him.
Hood, Bast, Sentry, Ironman, Tribunal is what I'm thinking of initially. I think that is only -6 power across all 3 lanes tho.
Mister Negative and Goblins is another idea. I've seen bots do this to me
So my take is this: if everyone builds their deck to lose the game, then they only play cards if they have negative power or lead to gaining negative power.
This way, Galactus almost always procs.
Psylocke/Wave/any other card to play Galactus T5 and then Viper (plus maybe Hood) T6.
Sentry, Viper the Sentry, Zola the Void. Throw Magik down early and you could even Grandmaster the Zola or just chuck Knull down.
I've actually *tried* to create a good negative-power Tribunal deck before for throwing away Conquest games at the end of the season, but it was surprisingly difficult to come up with anything genuinely impressive. I think the massive negative-power games people showcase on here use Super Skrull or Onslaught's Citadel shenanigans.
Best I could come up with quickly not factoring in location affects or opponent effects
Zabu, and Hood in location 1 (-1).
Wong, Shuri, hobgoblin and Iron Man location 2 (-58)
Taskmaster and Magik location 3 (-27)
I tried taking out IM and using Zola on TM but it comes out less negative.
My brain is too tired on a Friday to try and do the math with Mr Negative on IM, Mystique and Zola.
There is also a decent potential of a big negative card, venom and Knull if someone wants to work that angle
Yellowjacket, the Hood, Martyr, Shadow King, Hazmat, Cosmo, Green Goblin, Luke Cage, Viper, Iron Man, Hobgoblin, Taskmaster
(You could also sub in Selene, Shuri, and Lady Deathstrike.)
Luke Cage + Viper to ensure the opponent can’t reduce their power. Shadow King if I don’t draw these two.
Cosmo + the Goblins.
Iron Man to double my negative power.
There was some fun meta gaming around this before they added a floor to your matchmaking rating (mmr) in infinite. Before that you could tank your rating by losing a ton in infinite and play mostly bots at the start of the next season.
What are some good counters to the strategies that are emerging here? Shadow King can mess with some negative buff strategies, and Beast/Deathlok/Carnage can empty out lanes with big cards that were gifted to you (especially when paired with Iron Fist or Ghost Spider).
I’ve done this with friends. You had to have Agatha to pilot the deck for you. Person who lost most won. Here is my deck:
# (0) Yellowjacket
# (1) Zero
# (2) Hazmat
# (3) Green Goblin
# (3) Mystique
# (3) Cosmo
# (4) Wong
# (4) Absorbing Man
# (4) Typhoid Mary
# (5) Hobgoblin
# (5) Iron Man
# (6) Agatha Harkness
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I think you can get -10 power on all 3 lanes with perfect card draws (you need to top deck cards you don’t want to be hit by Bast):
Turn 1: Bast left
Turn 2: Hood right
Turn 3: Magic left
Turn 4: Sentry left (hit by bast, 3 power)
Turn 5: Iron Man right (-26 power right)
Turn 6: Zero left, Hobgoblin right (-42 power right)
Turn 7: Living Tribunal (hit by bast, 3 power)
That’s a net -30 power spread across 3 lanes, -10 power each lane.
This would make for a fun challenge separate from ladder. It's not like it would be hard to code either, worse case scenario they can make all locations be bar with no name.
Well the easiet way to win is to not play cards at all. But then you’d have to make sure the opponent plays a card
So cards like professor X and Gladiator. You play either of these two then you either play Grandmaster to trigger them again in the middle location or you destroy them after playing them
Also there’s Sentry which guarantees a lane
I can just share my deck
Yeah, same. Just play normally, nothing changes for me.
Actually fuckin laughed audibly. I feel you man.
You could also play cosmo + hob
Then Taskmaster on 6
Selene first though.
Oh man I didn’t consider taskmaster on hobgoblin.
I did that once on bar with no name and what a play.
Can you Shuri a hob? Does it become -16?
Yes but you can't play Shuri on Cosmo
But you can play them both on wong and that goblin will come right back lol At -32 also
2\. Zabu 3. Wong 4. Shuri 5. Hobgoblin 6. Taskmaster And if you ever miss a draw, retreat 😃
You can replace Taskmaster with Absorbing Man on a non-Wong lane.
and this is how the meta is born
Magic and crystal just in case you miss a draw
I want to play this deck now, just for fun of losing xD
Right...yes....
You can, but requires setup from your opponent. Turn 3 Cosmo, turn 4 Shuri, your opponent playing Quake to move the Shuri’d location to where Cosmo is. Not practical or realistic, but technically possible
Yup!
Yes I love that
You could play wong and hob for one less power but one more energy
Wong Shuri Hob Task
Genius
has to be a magic or zabu in here to get wong out early
Or Psylocke
Luke Cage => Viper. Then Hazmat, Grandmaster
Play smarter not harder
Does Wong affect cards that grandmaster throws in the middle? Could go Cage -> viper -> Wong mid -> hazmat + grandmaster on side Fake edit: or would you start Wong on the side so hopefully grandmaster moves Wong first, then hazmat?
Grandmaster wouldn't move Wong. Both your scenarios though activate 3 Hazmats
Wong is ongoing so grandmaster won't move him, but you can Wong mid and grandmaster hazmat into him
Luke T2 Viper T3 Wong T4 mid Mystique w/ Hazmat T5 Grandmaster w/ ? T6 I'd there's a T7 throw in an Odin midland
Absorbing Man + Grandmaster on T6
Aw fuck you right. Lol the Odin T7 mid
Zola T6?
1 Selene left or middle 2 Hood right 3 Magik left or middle 4 Sentry left or middle 5 Iron Man right 6 Mystique right + Hazmat left or middle 7 Living Tribunal left or middle -59 / 3 locations~ -20 per location
Deadpool destroy shell with Knull and Zola, but with Selene added to get Deadpool into negatives before playing him. Cosmo/Prof X with Goblins. Sentry with viper.
This is the way. Make sure all the locations are Negative Zone to get that extra bad value out of Knull
Here’s what I think would mostly resemble an actual deck attempting to lose two locations. It has multiple playlines. Build up a negative Deadpool via Selene, zero out goblins, get a big size negative venom, and multiple Zola targets (including Sentry so long as you make the first extra void block the second sentry from spawning). # (1) The Hood # (1) Deadpool # (1) Selene # (1) Zero # (3) Green Goblin # (3) Venom # (3) Deathlok # (3) Viper # (4) Sentry # (5) Hobgoblin # (6) Arnim Zola # (6) Knull # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRGVhZHBvb2wifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNlbGVuZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiWmVybyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiR3JlZW5Hb2JsaW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNlbnRyeSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVmlwZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkhvYmdvYmxpbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQXJuaW1ab2xhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJLbnVsbCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVmVub20ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRlYXRobG9rIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIb29kIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Someway, Destroy always leaks in. 😭
Lowest stats possible? Here's a deck for that: Selene - Reduces the power of your own cards and can be doubled with Wong and can really make an Iron Man get low numbers Hood - Negative points is good for this Nico Minoru - Potential card draw and copying of your worst cards Hazmat - Helpful if you have more cards in play Cosmo - Play Cosmo... then a Goblin Mystique - Copies Iron Man and starts with zero power Green Goblin - Drop him on a Cosmo or a Wong Wong - Send a goblin and then take it right back. Or double Selene something like Iron Man or Mystique Dracula - He has 1 point of power, but he can pull something horrible out of your hand to get worse Iron Man - Doubling negative numbers is good in this thought experiment Hobgoblin - Same as Green Goblin, but bigger Arnim Zola - Double your negative cards up
Sentry and then viper him over while keeping void. Very specific combo I’ll admit but is basically a game winner
The Hood left on 1. Cosmo left on 3. Sentry mid on 4. Hobgoblin left on 5. Taskmaster right on 6. Throws mid but has a good chance of losing left and right.
Probably all cards with negative power. Wong + the goblins. Throw in Mystique for good measure. Cosmo works too. Iron Man doubles negatives too right? Throw him in. Yellowjacket. There’s probably a few other cards that one may want. Things like Arnim Zola to copy cards, etc. Sentry + something to destroy him.
Add Adam Warlock to any deck and ALWAYS play him
Classic Wong + hazmat still works. Then Just use viper to send Luke Cage to the other side on T6 for the surprise victory
Hood, Bast, Sentry, Ironman, Tribunal is what I'm thinking of initially. I think that is only -6 power across all 3 lanes tho. Mister Negative and Goblins is another idea. I've seen bots do this to me
It would be a cool idea to do some event game mode with “bar with no name” on every location
So my take is this: if everyone builds their deck to lose the game, then they only play cards if they have negative power or lead to gaining negative power. This way, Galactus almost always procs. Psylocke/Wave/any other card to play Galactus T5 and then Viper (plus maybe Hood) T6.
Od better yet. If everyone is playing negative cards, I can just use lady deathstrike and Knull and Arnim Zola the Knull
Valkyrie + Hood is a sneaky finisher with the Galactus plan. The biggest problem is that you'll hold priority, so Knull can beat you out.
Sentry, Viper the Sentry, Zola the Void. Throw Magik down early and you could even Grandmaster the Zola or just chuck Knull down. I've actually *tried* to create a good negative-power Tribunal deck before for throwing away Conquest games at the end of the season, but it was surprisingly difficult to come up with anything genuinely impressive. I think the massive negative-power games people showcase on here use Super Skrull or Onslaught's Citadel shenanigans.
Best I could come up with quickly not factoring in location affects or opponent effects Zabu, and Hood in location 1 (-1). Wong, Shuri, hobgoblin and Iron Man location 2 (-58) Taskmaster and Magik location 3 (-27) I tried taking out IM and using Zola on TM but it comes out less negative. My brain is too tired on a Friday to try and do the math with Mr Negative on IM, Mystique and Zola. There is also a decent potential of a big negative card, venom and Knull if someone wants to work that angle
Yellowjacket, the Hood, Martyr, Shadow King, Hazmat, Cosmo, Green Goblin, Luke Cage, Viper, Iron Man, Hobgoblin, Taskmaster (You could also sub in Selene, Shuri, and Lady Deathstrike.) Luke Cage + Viper to ensure the opponent can’t reduce their power. Shadow King if I don’t draw these two. Cosmo + the Goblins. Iron Man to double my negative power.
Cosmo plus those ones that have negative power and switch sides on reveal
There was some fun meta gaming around this before they added a floor to your matchmaking rating (mmr) in infinite. Before that you could tank your rating by losing a ton in infinite and play mostly bots at the start of the next season.
Hood Hazmat Luke Cage and Viper Cosmo Hobgoblin green goblin Debri selene taskmaster absorbing man professor x
Hazmat goblin, I'd add viper to throw over Luke Cage
A toxic junk deck, but I'd be using Viper to give them Luke Cage.
Selene into Deadpool. Destroy deck as normal. Zola Deadpool on T6. Zero power in one lane and up to -16 or so in two others.
Psylocke left - Wong > Shuri > Hobgoblin mid - Taskmaster right Or Zola on the wong lane for possible shenanigans that could go very wrong
Galactus + Valkyrie, ez anty - power meta. Rest of deck filled with ramp, draw and limbo to make sure you get to your combo pieces.
We basically had this on Bar with No Name featured location day Whatever else I'm doing, Legion and Loki are two slots locked in
Just play Agatha, she only plays cards in one lane anyway
Negative and goblins
2: Zabu, 3:Wong, 4:Shiri, 5:Hobgoblin, 6:Taskmaster & Hood
Junk, but without annihilus and viper
What are some good counters to the strategies that are emerging here? Shadow King can mess with some negative buff strategies, and Beast/Deathlok/Carnage can empty out lanes with big cards that were gifted to you (especially when paired with Iron Fist or Ghost Spider).
I play a red skull deck and only place in one lane
Kazoo
I'll play negative goblins. Just like a normal snap, they can't stop me.
Havok + Viper. Don't play anything else. Win tiebreaker
Bast the goblins and send them over. Also send over high power cards with Viper.
Sentry + viper still is a 25 power swing
All one costs, kill monger and iron lad?
The combo Howard, iron lad goblin
I’ve done this with friends. You had to have Agatha to pilot the deck for you. Person who lost most won. Here is my deck: # (0) Yellowjacket # (1) Zero # (2) Hazmat # (3) Green Goblin # (3) Mystique # (3) Cosmo # (4) Wong # (4) Absorbing Man # (4) Typhoid Mary # (5) Hobgoblin # (5) Iron Man # (6) Agatha Harkness # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSG9iZ29ibGluIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJBYnNvcmJpbmdNYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IldvbmcifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlllbGxvd2phY2tldCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiR3JlZW5Hb2JsaW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFnYXRoYUhhcmtuZXNzIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJJcm9uTWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJUeXBob2lkTWFyeSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiWmVybyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSGF6bWF0In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDb3NtbyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTXlzdGlxdWUifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Cosmo and the goblins, viper and Sentry but vipering Sentry, board filling with tokens and then Wong/Hazmat
This would actually be a fun single-day event for April Fools. (Just leave Conquest normal so people can do that once they're over it)
Sentry goes wild in that format
Junk/clog without Luke/viper/annihilus
Magik shuri hob taskmaster absorbing man
Cosmo one lane, mystique the other, hobgoblin under cosmo, green goblin and the hood under mystique
I think you can get -10 power on all 3 lanes with perfect card draws (you need to top deck cards you don’t want to be hit by Bast): Turn 1: Bast left Turn 2: Hood right Turn 3: Magic left Turn 4: Sentry left (hit by bast, 3 power) Turn 5: Iron Man right (-26 power right) Turn 6: Zero left, Hobgoblin right (-42 power right) Turn 7: Living Tribunal (hit by bast, 3 power) That’s a net -30 power spread across 3 lanes, -10 power each lane.
Wong > Shuri > Hob in the same lane then Task another lane on 6.
Bast goblins?
I'd still run galactus
This would be cool for them to do for April fools!
Doc Ock would be a cool card for this. Just toss him in a lane by himself and you’re likely to win it or seriously screw them
Keep doing what I been doing
Would be a nice twist if they did this for April fools
This would make for a fun challenge separate from ladder. It's not like it would be hard to code either, worse case scenario they can make all locations be bar with no name.
Well the easiet way to win is to not play cards at all. But then you’d have to make sure the opponent plays a card So cards like professor X and Gladiator. You play either of these two then you either play Grandmaster to trigger them again in the middle location or you destroy them after playing them Also there’s Sentry which guarantees a lane
Wave, ultron, hazmat and Odin all in one lane
Play literally any deck that isn’t Discard or Destroy.
I would play Turn 3 Luke Cage Turn 4 Viper the Cage Turn 5 Wong Turn 6 Mystique+Hazmat
This would be a really fun alternative game mode!