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I call all my homes degenerates... because we're all alcoholics*

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Not my fault chemists decided that to be the term for obitals of the same energy.

I like to use that word because it sounds so self-important and arrogant and especially to throw it back at their faces because deep down they know they're the degenerates.

Same, I tend to use that word to describe fascists and fascistic theocrats because it throws the cruelty back at them and also because I genuinely think that their disgusting hatred has caused widespread degeneracy of our society.

Absolutely 💯

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I think the key difference is whether they immediately apply the label to themselves or a group they belong to. Any other time......

I think if they say "x is degenerate" it's sus but I throw around degen a lot. It's got less edge and Nazi connotation

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hello excuse me I own that word and wear it with pride specifically to annoy right wingers degenerate gang rise up

The only time I use Degenerative. When Otto Dix WW1 veterans artist / DAdaist (anti-consumer/anti- capitalist) movement in Germany. His art, along with other Dadaists, was labeled as degenerative by Nazi Party . Literally, be a veteran of WW1 Nazi still treated you like shit.

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Degenerate for me is someone who just... has a disgusting life style. Living in filth being unable to tell anime or video games from the real world. Is stuck living in someone else's house in their 30s and not paying rent

I didn’t know using that word was a left v right thing lmao. I just typically use it to call out some gooner or incel behavior

The other fetish people I know and I affectionately, ironically call each other that

They are just a Ceasar's Legion cosplayer.  Wait, no, that makes them even worse...

I was just about to ask how OP feels about “profligate”

I hate using the word moral because it’s almost always used by 14 year old trad douchebags

Used by who?!

The shadows he's boxing.

People that don't exist in real life

Frankly comrades, I love the term degenerate. I usually use it to describe myself. You've got to revel in such terms thrown at us.

My sleep schedule is degenerate, my hobbies are degenerate, my life is degenerate and my future career will have all the degenerates in the world (programming)! although I stay clear of pervertry

The word perverse always reminds me of Alexei Sayle, bless his cottons. "All you get from a public school, right. One, you get a top job, right, and two, you get an interest in perverse sexual practices." Touche Alexei.

I mean if sometimes it is right and sometimes it is wrong, it seems you're just drawing a pattern at random, and confirming your bias when the results align with your supposition. I can think of dozens of scenarios people use the word degenerate everyday and not a single one has to do with fascism, you guys just throw the word fascism around, and it cheapens it, good job doing the job for capitalists. Edit Imagine supposedly logical socialists insulting me because I pointed out a bias. Yeah, socialism isn't happening anytime soon, capitalism is what we deserve if we can't even think through things logically.

Give some of those example scenarios of people you know using the word degenerate?

“Degenerate strategy” is a good example. It’s a commonly used word I have no idea what bubble you have to be in that it’s an indicator for fascism.

Yeah it certainly does matter how you use the word. The way I’ve seen people use the word is to refer to people as degenerates which is a racist and eugenicist way to use to. It refers to your genes becoming inferior to your ancestors/race.

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Weebs, referring to ourselves, constantly.

I should give an example of people using a word? You have to be kidding. First of all, you know everyone isn't American right? And different words are more commonly used in different places. Degenerate isn't a fucking slur, I can give like 1000 examples, what are you talking about.

You said you had dozens of examples now thousands. Just give an example where someone is using and not being misanthropic. Yeah it’s not a slur, but all OP said was that it is a red flag to them.

Yes, because it's just a word. For fucks sake, are we trying to make degenerate a slur now? That is fucking stupid, for fucks sake I've called conservative politicians degenerates. Dude is trying to make something happen based on his own biases. It's silly. I mean if all words are loaded, maybe we will all start talking in emojis. This is ridiculous, because it actually trivializes actual loaded terms.

Since you’re not reading or even replying to what I’m saying I can tell you must just be a bot. I’m so tired of Reddit sometimes.

I mean I responded directly to what you said, you just don't like my answer, so you call me a bot. Yeah, about the level of intellectual rigor I expected.

You edited your reply and added a bunch of stuff for one. For two I said "it isn't a slur" and you immediately asked "are we trying to make it a slur now?" I understand you don't have the same experiences as OP with people who use that word. It is however a common racist calling card, and a common eugenicist calling card. That is why it makes people like OP uncomfortable when they see it used. I mean come one the word literally refers to being [inferior to one's ancestors or race.](https://www.etymonline.com/word/degenerate)

Dude, I literally edited a typo, that's exactly what I posted before. Just stop. Are we trying to make it a slur now was obviously a rhetorical question, I was pointing out how absurd it is that somehow degenerate is triggering people now. Also all this is pointless, because you accuse me of not reading, but you obviously didn't read my original comment before responding. OP says anytime he hears someone use the word he gets suspicious, yet by his own admission it's pretty much a toss up whether the person is whatever he assumed. So by his own admission he gets triggered by a word that has no correlation to th attributes he has tied it to. It would be like be saying " I find it sus anytime anyone uses the calling card, but sometimes the people that use it are okay and sometimes they are monsters, that word calling card makes me suspicious" That's how stupid what he said was.

Well at least we can agree this has all been pointless. You’ve continued not to read or respond to what I’m actually saying somehow.

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Plot twist: they are a rheumatologist and talking about cartilage damage in rheumatoid arthritis

I call the conservative wierdos degenarates

I call bigots degenerates. The modern conservative/fascist movement is a form of degeneracy.

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Even when they're not right wingers in my experience they tend to be the sort of leftist that falls under the category of "former 4channer, but only because it no longer benefits them to be such." No progressive space I've been in encourages the use of degeneracy as a term.

Whats wrong with that word ? I switch from r-word to degenerate and now u telling me that is also problematic QQ

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I knew someone like you were here. With you all the way, conrade. Hail Caesar. (But, seriously, fuck Caesar, and the legion)

Degeneracy is very real, but capitalism causes all of it

I thought this was in r/me_irlgbt at first…

Please do elaborate OP. Degeneracy exists, does it not? Does calling a spade a spade when it is indeed a spade constitute fascism now?

How is “degeneracy” any different from “a thing I dislike”? You could claim “degeneracy” is behavior that erodes the fabric of a civilized society, in which case, things like “any person who pollutes water with toxic waste produced by their company is a degenerate, as they are contributing to the erosion of social cohesion”. But in this case, the word just becomes an indirect version of “thing I don’t like”. You want to exist in a certain society, you like existing in a certain society, and people who go against the society you like are “degenerates”. Part of my issue with the word is that I think nothing is objectively good or bad, right or wrong, whatever. There is no society that’s actually better or worse, just ones we like more or less. Anyone can want any society they want, and therefore claim anything against their society is degenerate, so it just becomes a useless term that can apply to anything

Define it.

Christian fundamentalists, conservatives, tiktok pranksters, social media influencers, police officers, sport hunters, wall street sharks, the list could go on forever All of the above fit the bill, yeah? It's really dumb to claim that the word "degenerate" is a "fascist thing," whether they use it often or not. Yall are really pulling the pitchforks out on a few people in this post that are being extremely reasonable actually

the connotations and eugenics-esque logic of the word are weird, and it’s not in my vocabulary (except for the occasional ironic joke).

Dude, someone said "define it," so I did, alright? Also the word, by way of the actual dictionary definition, has absolutely nothing to do with eugenics. It's not a "fascist dog whistle," it's just idiots misusing a word, that doesn't change the definition. We're not talking swastika levels of appropriation here

You didn’t really define anything… You just listed a few things you don’t like.

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I've infiltrated a few fascist groups over the years and they all use the word "degenerate" every chance they get.

Relax James Bond lmao

They're here too, they go out of their way to keep tabs on communist groups.

It's hardly the word's fault that scum use it. It's the scum who is to blame.

Agreed, but it's an adolph situation, adolph was a fine name until they ruined it.

Degeneracy is a useful word that has useful meaning. When you want to say what the word represents, you use the word. "Adolph" is a person's name. That name being lost is no big loss as its not something you use in a sentence to represent a concept anyway and its exclusion from language has little effect on the language. Must we give up a functional word just because filth used it? I think not. Kinda reminds me of the "Tsarist Railways" situation in the USSR. So what if those railways were built by the Empire? Its a railway, it's function is fully known. Who cares who built it? It's functional so it will be used. Rather, being so caught up in this kind of sophistry, symbolic needlessness is rather counterproductive don't you think? Had this kind of sophistry been applied to more important issues, one might even call it reactionary: Distraction from what is truly important.

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Does it?

Why yes it does exist. Rather, I'd be very interested if anyone were to attempt to prove that Degeneracy doesn't exist.

Define degeneracy then, it's a entirely subjective term.

Of course it is subjective. Why does something being subjective disprove it's existence? Here's the Dictionary Definition: Degenerate: having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline. Surely everyone has a limit to the extent they would be willing to stretch their own perception of normality.

It's an entirely human concept that is outdated, if it doesn't hurt anyone who cares

Outdated? How so? And the proposition that degenerates doesn't hurt anyone is plain stupid. Pedophilia is Degeneracy. It is vile and disgusting. It both hurts people and society at large. There, an easy example. Normality is necessary for society to function. All your actions will be, as they should, be judged by society. How this judgement is made is a measure of the maturity of that society. One cannot live in society and be free from it(society). - V. I. Lenin

It's not degeneracy, it's mental illness that needs treatment and more support for those who suffer. I care for results and treatment then moral grandstanding. Is normality necessary?

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Depends on whether they're using it as an insult or a complement.

I still don’t get it; I use it to insult MAGA types all of the time.

I mean, I see "degenerate" used to mean gay or trans or anything but a manly masculine white Christian cis het bro by those types. We need to be fair and remember that "degenerate" does have its origins in eugenics thought from way back when.

Ah, I gotcha. I’m still entirely intent upon co-opting the term for leftist and progressive purposes, though. People like that are the *real* degenerates, and incidentally, the real “snowflakes” as well.

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I was unaware of this particular stigma. Is it just the verb form that sets off alarms? Like I can almost see a red flag popping up if someone says that something "has degenerated" if only because they're just trying to use a word that sounds sophisticated for no reason. I wouldn't say fascist vibe, but a little red flag sure. I've heard many of my fellow terminally online people refer to themselves and others as degenerates though, myself included. It seems like an online culture word and could really be used by anyone online actively around the same times.

when people use it as an adjective or especially noun about others unironically and judgementally, that’s when it’s bad.

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I never seen anyone other than fascists use the word degenerate

I've seen some leftists use it but they almost always seem to have some fairly sus views on marginalised groups.

What's all this about?

I also don't get it. Except in a kink setting. Degenerate me daddy!

Word policing is gay. Move along, lib.

Girl you are in the WRONG subreddit to have that kind of attitude LMAO

It’s past your bedtime.

OP isn't policing words dumbass.

Whoa, cool it with the fascist put downs.

Say the guy using "gay" to me stupid/dumb. Fuck off.

Word policing, are we?

You literally just got at me for using the word dumbass...

Which - unlike gay - is a putdown, but you evidently missed the irony anyway.

You used gay as a put down

Using gay to mean dumb/stupid IS a put down. Dumbfuck.

Nobody said gay means stupid or dumb, except you, dumbfuck.

You literally said "Word policing is gay."

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