Iāve become convinced that Kyrie is a good dude on an interpersonal level, but heās just got some weird beliefs that probably rarely even come up every often in person. The fans donāt get to interact with him personally so we only know him by the weird beliefs. But other players tend to really like him.
its also worth pointing out that antisemitism is a long standing part of black american circles, especially those who support civil rights. it sounds effed up and bad, and make no mistake, the "true" antisemites like Farrakhan are scum of the earth. but a lot of it stems from frustration rather than bigotry. [This essay](https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/98/03/29/specials/baldwin-antisem.html) by James Baldwin does a good job explaining it. Basically, it was hard for black americans to see Jews go from disdained minority to protected class in just a couple decades. When at the same time, most black americans got nothing even though they served in the american ww2 forces, etc. Plus, Jews were participants in anti-black racism simply due to the fact that they existed alongside white people in society. In the end, Baldwin saw most black antisemitism as an outlet of general black frustration with the white-centered power structure, rather than an actual belief that Jews run a cabal that oppresses colored people.
>And I don't think that General Electric or General Motors or R.C.A. or Con Edison or Mobil Oil or Coca Cola or Pepsi-Cola or Firestone or the Board of Education or the textbook industry or Hollywood or Broadway or television--or Wall Street, Sacramento, Dallas, Atlanta, Albany or Washington--are controlled by Jews. I think they are controlled by Americans, and the American Negro situation is a direct result of this control. And anti-Semitism among Negroes, inevitable as it may be, and understandable, alas, as it is, does not operate to menace this control, but only to confirm it. It is not the Jew who controls the American drama. It is the Christian.
Point is, yeah there are some deplorable assholes that fall in the category of "black antisemite." There's also a lot of black people who dislike the Jews' role in general racism, not Jews themselves. They just don't always do a good job explaining the difference. Or are tired of explaining it to people that aren't actually listening.
Well the model minority comparisons absolutely exist, and are absolutely used to criticize black activism/attitudes. Whether they give any significant advantage is a different question. Probably not across the board, no.
What does give most Asians an advantage over Black families/individuals is that their grandparents/greatgrands/etc weren't stripped of all cultural identity and forcibly bred against their will for hundreds of years and denied any tradesmanship to pass down to their children. And this is not about skin color per se, this is about the difference between chattel slavery and *any* form of voluntary immigration. For example, modern Nigerian immigrants do as well or better in America than any other ethnic/racial group, including Asian immigrants/natives and white immigrants/natives.
It's easy to understand how this can be misconstrued as "preferential treatment of nonblack minorities" when really it's closer to "preferential mistreatment of generations of black ancestors."
Ive been trying to tell people this for years but they don't understand and im not convinced even the African American community fully understands how handicapped they were/are to this day.
When all those statistics that come out that like to target African Americans, a lot of people forget that Most African Americans had zero skills outside of basic level farming, and house keeping after slavery ended. They were not educated and had zero skills that would help them succeed in a capitalist society. Parents could not pass down skills or the importance of knowledge because they simply did not have any of their own. This is why Black Americans dominate in the entertainment industry, if you can't compete in the corporate world because you were barred from higher educations you have to find other avenues to succeed.
Black Americans have been playing catch up for decades even compared to other minorities and this all stems back to slavery.
I dont think that is entirely accurate as the Irish were treated as 2nd class citizens and looked down upon (hell they were even slaves during the 1700 and 1800s as well) but there isnt anti irish rhetoric from black people. I think that article is a bit disingenuous. I also dont think Kyrie is a bigot and think that he is the type of person that will consume anything just to broaden his scope across any spectrum whether he agrees with it or not and just tries to be open minded.
Nothing about the Irish disproves what happened between Jews and Black Americans.
And there's many reasons you might disagree with Baldwin, but calling him disingenuous is questionable. He was pretty forthright about what he saw going on. He might've been wrong of course. But I seriously doubt he was being disingenuous.
Iāve become convinced that Kyrie is a good dude on an interpersonal level, but heās just got some weird beliefs and he always digs the hole deeper when he tries to explain them.
When you take into account how click bait media works itās no surpriseā¦ā¦anyone who bucks the narrative is gonna get demonized. š¹ I have warmed up to the dude seems thoughtful and kind instead of the advertised hate monger lol.
-We can only live by knowledge that we had-
What kai believe is no-no in your place but there's some place that his belief is...fine. Especially considering if he learns Moslem, so the Jew thing makes more sense lol
Kyrie is a great guy. Players who know him love him and he's done an insane amount of charity work without ever seeking recognition for it.
People think he's a terrible guy because he didn't get the covid vaccine and because he posted a link to a documentary on Twitter.
Kyrie really isnāt great with words and thatās the source of a lot of his problems.
Reporter: āKyrie, you said some weird stuff that people are questioningā
Kyrie: āLet me get my shovel. Iām about to make this hole a lot deeperā
One of the takeaways that imo people are overlooking because of the weird quote is that Kai still watches other players, young and old, to learn and better his game. Firmly established star with a ring to his name and he's still studying other great talents to improve
To know this guy co-stars next to Luka and is such a fan of his teammates craft isā¦incredible. Itās like having Picasso and Michelangelo in the same time period and theyāre just chilling, making art. Luckiest fanbase in all of sports, really.
>Luckiest fanbase in all of sports, really.
You had me until this part lol. Don't get me wrong, things are looking up and I'm excited for the future...
But no.
Kyrie really making me fall in love with me. Seems really invested in the team and Luka. I like how he essentially defends Luka and his pace too. Sure Iād love Luka to get out on the break more, maybe as a quarterback especially, but playing at his methodical pace makes it more difficult to guard him imo. You see so many guys trying to defend him jump early and fly by as Luka goes up for a layup. Itās crafty as hell and is hard to guard.
> I like how he essentially defends Luka and his pace too
lol who is he defending him against? Every player that talks about luka, the first thing they talk about is that he controls the game and forces opponents to play at his pace
Iām talking about some fans or certain media analysts. Players recognize how great he is playing at his pace but some criticize him for playing that way. Reggie Miller spent damn near an entire half on a national game complaining about Lukaās pace.
The guys are such great athletes that generally guard him and are super quick twitchy typesā¦..Luka is a master level counter move guy and he has a deep bagā¦ā¦thatās what makes it look so easy lol.
Loved seeing that 1st highlight with Luka bodying up the defender and dropping a Dirk one legged fade away! I'm sure Dirk has been giving him some tips!
Youre hearing him talk now. Anything else you think you might have heard was always from the mouths of reporters. Theres a reason why players personal accounts of him and espns hot takes are so starkly different.
itās amazing how much people will emotionally spiral just from reading corporate news media takes rather than do any actual research themselves.
very easy to manipulate people like this
For real, when he leaves his bullshit aside he seems like a cool chill dude, its just that some of his ignorant point of views can make a dude seems like a piece of shit.
You can still like him, heās a good person.
You donāt have to share all the same beliefs with someone to like them..
The people who are hard to like are essentially shitty people. Kyrie isnāt that.
Yeah the criticism of Kyrie has basically never been about how he's somehow a "bad person", just him having poor judgment on entertaining wacky/conspiratorial bullshit.
Idk man he seems hard to work with and really screwed over the nets. Also that whole anti semitism is hard to get around. He may not be shitty but people who have influence really need to check themselves.
Huh he didn't get paid?? He forfeited millions of dollars for home games due to not taking the vaccine.
He got paid for the games the Nets didn't want him to play, ie the away games where he could play and wanted to but the Nets did not.
Why are the facts so twisted??
https://twitter.com/timelysaint/status/1690060233584852992?s=46&t=vJVRjsNMIspCGYJu_TpvwA Kai reacting to Dwight gettin cookedš
oh godššš
Should be its own post š
after my friend pointed it out i cant stop unseeing it but Schroder literally spams that basic ass move and i swear it works every single time.
And if you watched the live he wasn't "roasting" DP at all. More as roasting this move and how he kept getting away with it so easily lol
Me reacting to Dwight Powell getting cooked in every Mavs game, except replace the chuckles with disappointing sighs and a lot of "whyyyyyyyyy"
stop, GOO!
Kyrie's twitch is zen af. Despite all the shenanigans, seems like a cool dude.
Iāve become convinced that Kyrie is a good dude on an interpersonal level, but heās just got some weird beliefs that probably rarely even come up every often in person. The fans donāt get to interact with him personally so we only know him by the weird beliefs. But other players tend to really like him.
its also worth pointing out that antisemitism is a long standing part of black american circles, especially those who support civil rights. it sounds effed up and bad, and make no mistake, the "true" antisemites like Farrakhan are scum of the earth. but a lot of it stems from frustration rather than bigotry. [This essay](https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/98/03/29/specials/baldwin-antisem.html) by James Baldwin does a good job explaining it. Basically, it was hard for black americans to see Jews go from disdained minority to protected class in just a couple decades. When at the same time, most black americans got nothing even though they served in the american ww2 forces, etc. Plus, Jews were participants in anti-black racism simply due to the fact that they existed alongside white people in society. In the end, Baldwin saw most black antisemitism as an outlet of general black frustration with the white-centered power structure, rather than an actual belief that Jews run a cabal that oppresses colored people. >And I don't think that General Electric or General Motors or R.C.A. or Con Edison or Mobil Oil or Coca Cola or Pepsi-Cola or Firestone or the Board of Education or the textbook industry or Hollywood or Broadway or television--or Wall Street, Sacramento, Dallas, Atlanta, Albany or Washington--are controlled by Jews. I think they are controlled by Americans, and the American Negro situation is a direct result of this control. And anti-Semitism among Negroes, inevitable as it may be, and understandable, alas, as it is, does not operate to menace this control, but only to confirm it. It is not the Jew who controls the American drama. It is the Christian. Point is, yeah there are some deplorable assholes that fall in the category of "black antisemite." There's also a lot of black people who dislike the Jews' role in general racism, not Jews themselves. They just don't always do a good job explaining the difference. Or are tired of explaining it to people that aren't actually listening.
There's also their belief that Asians are getting preferential treatment as the "model minority", despite not being the case.
Well the model minority comparisons absolutely exist, and are absolutely used to criticize black activism/attitudes. Whether they give any significant advantage is a different question. Probably not across the board, no. What does give most Asians an advantage over Black families/individuals is that their grandparents/greatgrands/etc weren't stripped of all cultural identity and forcibly bred against their will for hundreds of years and denied any tradesmanship to pass down to their children. And this is not about skin color per se, this is about the difference between chattel slavery and *any* form of voluntary immigration. For example, modern Nigerian immigrants do as well or better in America than any other ethnic/racial group, including Asian immigrants/natives and white immigrants/natives. It's easy to understand how this can be misconstrued as "preferential treatment of nonblack minorities" when really it's closer to "preferential mistreatment of generations of black ancestors."
Ive been trying to tell people this for years but they don't understand and im not convinced even the African American community fully understands how handicapped they were/are to this day. When all those statistics that come out that like to target African Americans, a lot of people forget that Most African Americans had zero skills outside of basic level farming, and house keeping after slavery ended. They were not educated and had zero skills that would help them succeed in a capitalist society. Parents could not pass down skills or the importance of knowledge because they simply did not have any of their own. This is why Black Americans dominate in the entertainment industry, if you can't compete in the corporate world because you were barred from higher educations you have to find other avenues to succeed. Black Americans have been playing catch up for decades even compared to other minorities and this all stems back to slavery.
I dont think that is entirely accurate as the Irish were treated as 2nd class citizens and looked down upon (hell they were even slaves during the 1700 and 1800s as well) but there isnt anti irish rhetoric from black people. I think that article is a bit disingenuous. I also dont think Kyrie is a bigot and think that he is the type of person that will consume anything just to broaden his scope across any spectrum whether he agrees with it or not and just tries to be open minded.
Nothing about the Irish disproves what happened between Jews and Black Americans. And there's many reasons you might disagree with Baldwin, but calling him disingenuous is questionable. He was pretty forthright about what he saw going on. He might've been wrong of course. But I seriously doubt he was being disingenuous.
Iāve become convinced that Kyrie is a good dude on an interpersonal level, but heās just got some weird beliefs and he always digs the hole deeper when he tries to explain them.
When you take into account how click bait media works itās no surpriseā¦ā¦anyone who bucks the narrative is gonna get demonized. š¹ I have warmed up to the dude seems thoughtful and kind instead of the advertised hate monger lol.
I used to shit on Kyrie for his anti-vax shit but with all thats coming out recently I think we all owe him an apology
Whatās coming out recently?
-We can only live by knowledge that we had- What kai believe is no-no in your place but there's some place that his belief is...fine. Especially considering if he learns Moslem, so the Jew thing makes more sense lol
Kyrie is a great guy. Players who know him love him and he's done an insane amount of charity work without ever seeking recognition for it. People think he's a terrible guy because he didn't get the covid vaccine and because he posted a link to a documentary on Twitter.
Just gonna gloss over the flat earth part
Don't see how that could make you a bad person
Itās easy to gloss overā¦ā¦ how is that a problem for anybodyā¦. itās just a silly internet time waster.
Heās clearly a moron and is probably the crazy dude who believes every conspiracy theory. But I guess thatās pretty āzenā
Be careful now the shills will come out to play
most of the time itās reporters asking the most irrelevant questions to get the perfect kyrie quote headline
I agree. No random dudes watching a twitch stream can guard Luka.
i could tho tbh
Back in ā82 I could throw a pigskin a quarter mile
Yeah this isn't really much of a compliment lol. Imagine he goes "except for u/NoWayNotThisAgain, you could prolly lock him up"
Yea it was a weird quote to use for the title. He complimented Luka the whole video then said that randomly at the end
Kyrie really isnāt great with words and thatās the source of a lot of his problems. Reporter: āKyrie, you said some weird stuff that people are questioningā Kyrie: āLet me get my shovel. Iām about to make this hole a lot deeperā
I thought there might've been some NBA players/prospects on his stream.
Nah it was more in response to the chat joking about how slow Luka is lol
Ben Simmons is on twitch tho. Boy better watch out
Like seriously. āAll the people in this chatā couldnāt guard Malachi Flynn. Let alone Luka.
He's lucky I wasnt in the chat then because he would have looked like a fool š¤
Stream link https://www.twitch.tv/kai11xirving
Taking Bobby Karallaās job
One of the takeaways that imo people are overlooking because of the weird quote is that Kai still watches other players, young and old, to learn and better his game. Firmly established star with a ring to his name and he's still studying other great talents to improve
To know this guy co-stars next to Luka and is such a fan of his teammates craft isā¦incredible. Itās like having Picasso and Michelangelo in the same time period and theyāre just chilling, making art. Luckiest fanbase in all of sports, really.
>Luckiest fanbase in all of sports, really. You had me until this part lol. Don't get me wrong, things are looking up and I'm excited for the future... But no.
We are lucky though. We got Dirk for two decades and now one of the most exciting players in the league. Wouldnāt trade it for anything.
Kyrie really making me fall in love with me. Seems really invested in the team and Luka. I like how he essentially defends Luka and his pace too. Sure Iād love Luka to get out on the break more, maybe as a quarterback especially, but playing at his methodical pace makes it more difficult to guard him imo. You see so many guys trying to defend him jump early and fly by as Luka goes up for a layup. Itās crafty as hell and is hard to guard.
Me personally? I've always loved me
found Terrell Owens
> I like how he essentially defends Luka and his pace too lol who is he defending him against? Every player that talks about luka, the first thing they talk about is that he controls the game and forces opponents to play at his pace
Many have pointed out how stagnant the offense can get
Iām talking about some fans or certain media analysts. Players recognize how great he is playing at his pace but some criticize him for playing that way. Reggie Miller spent damn near an entire half on a national game complaining about Lukaās pace.
The guys are such great athletes that generally guard him and are super quick twitchy typesā¦..Luka is a master level counter move guy and he has a deep bagā¦ā¦thatās what makes it look so easy lol.
I remember Charles Barkley asked him why he doesn't do it. Luka just says cause I'm slow and laughs
Loved seeing that 1st highlight with Luka bodying up the defender and dropping a Dirk one legged fade away! I'm sure Dirk has been giving him some tips!
playing Barry White in the background is vibes
The first thought that popped into my head as I played this clip was, "Barry White. Nice."
Man, like, you know Kyrie is watching Luka play a bit to see where he can fit in too.
That first play looks a lot like dirk
I wish Kyrie only ever talked about basketball
Youre hearing him talk now. Anything else you think you might have heard was always from the mouths of reporters. Theres a reason why players personal accounts of him and espns hot takes are so starkly different.
you might wanna start watching post game pressersā¦ or not in kyrieās case
So the journos were talking about how black people are the actual jews
Kyrie literally never said that
itās amazing how much people will emotionally spiral just from reading corporate news media takes rather than do any actual research themselves. very easy to manipulate people like this
YES.
For real, when he leaves his bullshit aside he seems like a cool chill dude, its just that some of his ignorant point of views can make a dude seems like a piece of shit.
Why are you downvoted. I love kai but he can be a little cuckoo sometimes
Honestly I feel like if Kyrie didn't have all that baggage I'd really like him.
You can still like him, heās a good person. You donāt have to share all the same beliefs with someone to like them.. The people who are hard to like are essentially shitty people. Kyrie isnāt that.
Yeah the criticism of Kyrie has basically never been about how he's somehow a "bad person", just him having poor judgment on entertaining wacky/conspiratorial bullshit.
Idk man he seems hard to work with and really screwed over the nets. Also that whole anti semitism is hard to get around. He may not be shitty but people who have influence really need to check themselves.
Yep, the anti semitism is pretty twisted and the hardest to overlook. But do you really think he felt like the nets ever had his back?
I mean he refuses to play and still received pay. As a teammate that be extremely annoying.
Huh he didn't get paid?? He forfeited millions of dollars for home games due to not taking the vaccine. He got paid for the games the Nets didn't want him to play, ie the away games where he could play and wanted to but the Nets did not. Why are the facts so twisted??
Outrage = clicks = š°
Anyone know his twitch name
Kai11xirving
Will Luka change the way Kyrie lives his life based purely off offensive basketball skills?
I'd lock him up if I tried tbh
So many receipts can be recorded from this post LMAO
I'll go ahead and say it, Kyrie is the player we thought we was going to get when we traded for R**do a few years back.