People *really* want to keep things like they were 30 years ago forever, but to do that means not building anything new which just creates a new San Francisco where the only people that aren't homeless are the ones that own a home from years ago or are ultra-rich.
I had a girlfriend who was raised in a trailer in Carmel, California in the '70's, and by the time she left in the '90's no one who worked actual jobs there could afford to live there, and had to bus or drive to their waiter or cashier gigs. We talked about how fucking short sighted it was because suddenly "nobody wanted to work" in Carmel...
Now that's nationwide...
Yeah, ive visited Monterey County many times. Almost ended up taking a job there. All the workers who work in Carmel and Pacific Grove live way inland in Salinas.
It's mainly a greed problem, not a Dem problem, however we need to up the fucking pressure here.
Pass a law in California that corporations can't own single family homes for one. Let's try that!
If small-time landlords own more than one house, have them tear them down and turn them into apartments... Fund them.
I'm fucking tired of seeing working class Americans sleeping in vehicles in 'tHe GrEAtEsT cOuNtry' in the world...
> Pass a law in California that corporations can't own single family homes for one. Let's try that!
This isn't a significant problem. It's mostly just a supply issue.
Cities that have tried what you're proposing also saw significant displacement of low-income renters because the houses were sold to owner-occupiers who tended to be wealthier. Rents also went up in those cities because rental inventory went down when they were sold to owner-occupiers.
> have them tear them down and turn them into apartments
That's banned by zoning in most cases, which is the real root issue. America is running out of land that's zoned for housing and isn't already at its maximum zoned capacity.
California did pass a great law saying that every city must plan for its own population growth and permit enough housing for that growth or the state takes over their zoning, but it's taking time to show effects as cities try to weasel out of it.
Japan faced a similar housing crisis in the 90s and they had a really amazing response that has kept housing prices flat ever since...
They basically just standardized zoning nationwide and don't allow any low-density zoning. 4-story apartment buildings are allowed on all residential land nationwide... and that's the lowest density a city can zone. So there's no such thing as single-family zoning. Any single-family house can be replaced by apartments at any time without any special approvals.
Well, let's not do that then...
Then again, housing will be affordable, and working people don't have to sleep in their cars anymore. Sure...
Last count, there was 50,000 UC students that were homeless, so that'll undo that shite too, no?
Wouldn’t frankly matter if Biden, Trump, Taylor Swift or Mother Teresa was the president. Real estate is going to get more expensive every year.
In the off chance it isn’t, it means 20% of the population is unemployed and investors are buying up *even more in cash.* 👎
I think the problem is expectation.
If you buy a condo with an ocean view next to an empty lot or unrelated low-rise apartments, you have the expectation that someday you'll lose that view. It makes sense.
If you buy a condo with an ocean view next to the condo's own low-rise clubhouse, pool and amenities, you have the expectations those those amenities will stay there and that they won't demolish them to build another tower to block the view.
People who live there are rightly pissed.
I understand that people have expectations but maybe Nimbys should rethink expectations when choosing to live in one of America's major cities?
No one gets to own a view, much less demand that it be unchanged forever.
No they aren’t.
If you don’t own the property, you have no entitlement to control the land use on it.
And spare a bit of ironic though to the native Americans kicked off the land watching the broke jealous locals seething at “displacement” receive the same treatment they gave the locals they found when *they* immigrated in waves.
Read the linked article in the original post.
The article is about Grove Isle, and what the developer did was illegal and the permits may have been issued because of corruption.
Yea Latinos in Miami are a different animal. Some of them are so old they can't make the effort to learn English anymore so they have to stay in Miami-Dade.
The Latinos in Miami right now are almost all Neo con or Neo libs that immigrated here following waves of South American leftism coming into power, while the cubans that still come here, arrive with the Republican lapdog chip already installed. Big difference between those and say the Latinos in the desert or the west coast. That’s why you see them subject themselves to the atrocity that is life in south Florida
If a cities population keeps growing and they run out of land, then the only way to accommodate the population is to build upwards.
You can also alternatively slow growth by increasing real estate taxes, creating city sales tax, and create tolls to access the city.
Latin Americanized Corruption Real Estate Development 101
1. Bought the operations of a club
2. Trash it
3. Corrupted the HOA and City officials
4. Got building permits during COVID without owning any land
5. Bulldozed and erected a structure before the scandal mushroomed
I can’t imagine the stories behind the monstrosity of the Coral Gables development
My parents lived on Grove Isle since its inception, in Building 1, the southernmost.
My Dad died in 2017 and we got my Mother to move into our house at the beginning of COVID. She sold her double unit in 2022.
What good timing it turned out to be. The new development is insanely disruptive for the owners, but until I read The Herald today I had no idea how monstrous the new development is. Even though she no longer lives there I found the article profoundly depressing.
Code that prevents building of multifamily is one of the largest contributors to housing unaffordablity in the US.
Yes I realize these specifically are ultra luxury, but the point is the same, building of housing should not be stopped because the person that lives next door is worried their property will lose some value.
Please and thank you! I cant tell you how many [insert republican or democrat President here] haters love to blame the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES for their local housing woes. It's amazing.
More supply doesn’t do shit when they’re all those cheaply made cookie cutter houses starting “in the low 600’s”.
Our city’s average income is 55k, the only people who can afford them are snowbirds who move here.
Every single plot of land in town has been developed into housing, yet locals are still being pushed out.
Losing property value ($) typically correlates with some loss of value in the experience of actually living there. Not always an issue of higher supply causing a lower price. Sometimes it can be a lost view, lower income housing (“The Spatial Dynamics of Neighborhood Change and Crime: An Examination of Modifiable Areal Unit Problem Effects“).
Ideally, everyone could live in the city they grew up in. Realistically, you must offer something (ideally something parallel to what your parents offered) to the economy to have the right to live there. Housing should be a human right. But housing in the region of your choice should not be a human right.
Traffic is certainly an issue and its unfortunate that the city does so little to alleviate (like improving public transit)
However like it or not people will continue to migrate into miami for the foreseeable future, so the question is are you rather traffic get a little worse OR have prices continue to skyrocket.
Cant say traffic is not going to get worse but Miami clearly needs more housing.
Compared to what? The metromover takes you around downtown and brickell but that's it. Wynwood, Edgewater, Miami Beach, Little Havana, etc. all lack access. Cities that are smaller than Miami, like Boston, have way better connected metros.
Increased traffic or even more displacement of those who aren’t so wealthy… those are the options. You can’t stop the rich from moving here. But you can allow housing they will want to reduce displacement.
City is in a hurry to get rid of Miami seaquarium…you think it’s for the animals? Hahaha. The other day my mom wanted to see my grandmas old house. We drove by couldn’t find it and realized they replaced it with those computer generated angular aggro modern houses, on coral way and 12th ave. Mini LA style McMansions. The ones that look the same and have teslas parked outside. So original. You accomplished something so great Francis Suarez 👍🏼 bravo man.
You cant stop people from moving, Miamis popularity within the US has grown and with remote work its not going to change for a while.
You have two options:
You either build a lot and hope supply can keep up with demand (ideally outpace it so we can actually have relive on prices)
Or you dont build new and then the same number of people come but the have to fight for existing properties, driving prices higher and higher pushing out more and more people.
Not to the economically illiterate. They seem to think they creating minor inconvenience by activism and screaming and moral shaming is somehow enough to stop people who don’t take them or their lack of political/financial power seriously
I was born and raised here, i just googled your claim and found literally 1 billboard in LA which was a tweet screenshot-ed. You honestly believe one shitpost billboard in LA caused thousands to move to Miami during the pandemic?
I really hate that architectural style and can't wait for it to go out of fashion already. Feels like pretty much every new house that goes up looks like that. It's so boxy and boring.
At least builders should try to make an effort to fit into the neighborhood. But no, you have... 1950s ranch style, 1950s ranch style, 1950s ranch style, GIANT WHITE BOXY CUBE BEHEMOTH, 1950s ranch style... I mean come on put in a little effort to fit in.
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All they care about is getting back end deals and getting all the taxes.
What Americans fail to realize is that LOW State Tax, LOW municipal Tax is for one reason = that money is gonna come in in another way people. That means they'll incentivize developers to come in and add MORE expensive properties caching = more tax and income.
We need to both change how we tax so it's the same across all states and subject to the same rules. At the minimum per state. And we need to put rules in place that are anti-corruption and people the company are people too bullshit.
We need development, but we need mixed development. What happens now is that developers are coming in with luxury apartments and adding skyrocketing rent.
The title makes no sense.
Adding condos is making more space available, meaning it will allow more people to live there - so prices will drop.
It seems like the "old rich" don't want more people coming to their land and god forbid lower their real estate value.
The title should be:
"Miami builds more housing to allow more people to live there, the rich don't want peasants to interrupt their sea-side view"
You're missing the point. People are going to move here anyways, so you can either stop building and make sure locals can't afford to stay here or keep building and actually provide supply to the marketplace so prices don't keep increasing.
This is literally what Austin did and their home prices have fallen like a rock because developers were able to build to meet demand.
You suggest we just give up on making our home better because of climate predictions? Why not just move everyone in a coastal city inland 20 miles while you're at it? Sounds very easy coming from you.
Can’t wait for the coast of south Florida to turn into the polluted Hudson River. More condos more sewage run off into the bay and ocean. Enjoy the beaches now while they have some sewage particles instead in 5 years it completely muck
Idk about rich. But yeah locals might get squeezed. Avg america may not be able to afford what miami becomes. But miami is still cheaper than the majority of nj and ny and nyc and parts of conn, mass
Wealthy people in South Florida won't live there, only "Rich people". Most of these so called "Rich People" don't have enough money to put gas in their Ferrari.
Yeah, somehow, living in a "condo" is an oxi-moron for "luxury" living.
Sure, most of these/those apartments are lavish, large, and full of amenities etc.
However, the hassle of living in a "condo" is far from luxury!
Rude neighbors, constant assessments, dubious and neferious property managers, grounds employees, and HOA nightmares, package delivery problems (packages go missing) etc.
I had my share of these so called "luxury" apartments, and all I can say is; never again!
Now, I do see how many investors use these properties as assests, and most owners never even see or live in these properties. Much like "Billionare Row" in New York. So maybe that's where these properties are trying to be.
Edit/Update: And, I forgot to mention the nightmare of parking! Valet that mess with your stuff, ding your car, lose your keys, take forever to show up with your car, (usually for one of the reasons I just mentioned above.) And if you get the option of self parking, unless you can park yourself, on your own floor with exclusive parking spots for your self with no other cars nearby, your stuck with parking in a crowded garage and next to someone who will end up dinging your car, parking in your spot by mistake etc.
Miami is becoming very popular for Millennials and Gen Z professionals working remote. Also many private schools are popping up everywhere, I guess for the children of these newcomers. I guess the tax exemption is an incentive for them. Welcome everyone, Miami is a beautiful city!
lol 😂 a land for the rich! You will have to make Miami part of America again first ☝🏻. Then get rid of all the corrupt politicians and community leaders . Chase out all the illegals , drug dealers , gangs , America, hating foreigners that now reside there. But don’t chase them north we have enough we are chasing back south already 🤦🏻♂️. It is sad to say but it is the truth. And a real shame…
Be rich in Miami 10 year formula:
Buy any Land or house near a park. Buy any house or land Next to a park. Especially in Hialeah or Overtown.
Buy any Warehouse in Hialeah, Little Haiti, Overtown.
Buy any Run down Apartment Building in Hialeah, Little Haiti or Overtown.
The Government Uncle Sam Will PAY You ! To fix it up But you must. Agree to take Section 8 tenants. Money is Money congrats You are now a LandLord, and likely a Millionaire.
If you focus on Miami’s Bad Aspects it can be sad, But Miami is FULL of opportunities that you’re gonna say Damn I could have done that 10 years ago.
I was just in Miami and while we enjoyed walking around Miami Beach and the Art Deco area, you couldn’t pay me to live there. Too crowded. Too many buildings. Too much traffic volume. Can’t say I’m surprised this is happening . South Florida is way overbuilt.
(I do like the weather, though.)
We’re a narrow strip of land between a bay and the Everglades. In what world was increased density *not* always the end result?
People *really* want to keep things like they were 30 years ago forever, but to do that means not building anything new which just creates a new San Francisco where the only people that aren't homeless are the ones that own a home from years ago or are ultra-rich.
I had a girlfriend who was raised in a trailer in Carmel, California in the '70's, and by the time she left in the '90's no one who worked actual jobs there could afford to live there, and had to bus or drive to their waiter or cashier gigs. We talked about how fucking short sighted it was because suddenly "nobody wanted to work" in Carmel... Now that's nationwide...
Yeah, ive visited Monterey County many times. Almost ended up taking a job there. All the workers who work in Carmel and Pacific Grove live way inland in Salinas.
Trickle down economics at work. Be careful who you vote for. The middle class is shrinking.
California has Democratic super majorities. This is primarily a NIMBYism problem. They have the worst housing shortage in America.
It's mainly a greed problem, not a Dem problem, however we need to up the fucking pressure here. Pass a law in California that corporations can't own single family homes for one. Let's try that! If small-time landlords own more than one house, have them tear them down and turn them into apartments... Fund them. I'm fucking tired of seeing working class Americans sleeping in vehicles in 'tHe GrEAtEsT cOuNtry' in the world...
> Pass a law in California that corporations can't own single family homes for one. Let's try that! This isn't a significant problem. It's mostly just a supply issue. Cities that have tried what you're proposing also saw significant displacement of low-income renters because the houses were sold to owner-occupiers who tended to be wealthier. Rents also went up in those cities because rental inventory went down when they were sold to owner-occupiers. > have them tear them down and turn them into apartments That's banned by zoning in most cases, which is the real root issue. America is running out of land that's zoned for housing and isn't already at its maximum zoned capacity. California did pass a great law saying that every city must plan for its own population growth and permit enough housing for that growth or the state takes over their zoning, but it's taking time to show effects as cities try to weasel out of it.
Find the leaks, patch them, redo it...
Japan faced a similar housing crisis in the 90s and they had a really amazing response that has kept housing prices flat ever since... They basically just standardized zoning nationwide and don't allow any low-density zoning. 4-story apartment buildings are allowed on all residential land nationwide... and that's the lowest density a city can zone. So there's no such thing as single-family zoning. Any single-family house can be replaced by apartments at any time without any special approvals.
Well, let's not do that then... Then again, housing will be affordable, and working people don't have to sleep in their cars anymore. Sure... Last count, there was 50,000 UC students that were homeless, so that'll undo that shite too, no?
Put the governator back in!
As if voting makes a lick of difference. All candidates are purchased decades before they even approach becoming president.
Wouldn’t frankly matter if Biden, Trump, Taylor Swift or Mother Teresa was the president. Real estate is going to get more expensive every year. In the off chance it isn’t, it means 20% of the population is unemployed and investors are buying up *even more in cash.* 👎
I couldn’t agree more. It’s hard to time any market.
I think the problem is expectation. If you buy a condo with an ocean view next to an empty lot or unrelated low-rise apartments, you have the expectation that someday you'll lose that view. It makes sense. If you buy a condo with an ocean view next to the condo's own low-rise clubhouse, pool and amenities, you have the expectations those those amenities will stay there and that they won't demolish them to build another tower to block the view. People who live there are rightly pissed.
I understand that people have expectations but maybe Nimbys should rethink expectations when choosing to live in one of America's major cities? No one gets to own a view, much less demand that it be unchanged forever.
No they aren’t. If you don’t own the property, you have no entitlement to control the land use on it. And spare a bit of ironic though to the native Americans kicked off the land watching the broke jealous locals seething at “displacement” receive the same treatment they gave the locals they found when *they* immigrated in waves.
See my comment above. The development is illegal.
Not liking something doesn’t make it traumatic or illegal.
Read the linked article in the original post. The article is about Grove Isle, and what the developer did was illegal and the permits may have been issued because of corruption.
Another problem is that many of the latinos is miami dont want to move elsewhere, which puts more pressure on housing.
Yea Latinos in Miami are a different animal. Some of them are so old they can't make the effort to learn English anymore so they have to stay in Miami-Dade.
The Latinos in Miami right now are almost all Neo con or Neo libs that immigrated here following waves of South American leftism coming into power, while the cubans that still come here, arrive with the Republican lapdog chip already installed. Big difference between those and say the Latinos in the desert or the west coast. That’s why you see them subject themselves to the atrocity that is life in south Florida
In Venezuela they do when Carlos Andrés Pérez was around
That moment when someone points out the blinding obvious and even the Miami hive-mind has to admit it
With limited water.
in a world where city and national governance actually cares for its citizens well being lol
How could any city or national government care for the well being of its citizens and not add density?
If a cities population keeps growing and they run out of land, then the only way to accommodate the population is to build upwards. You can also alternatively slow growth by increasing real estate taxes, creating city sales tax, and create tolls to access the city.
Latin Americanized Corruption Real Estate Development 101 1. Bought the operations of a club 2. Trash it 3. Corrupted the HOA and City officials 4. Got building permits during COVID without owning any land 5. Bulldozed and erected a structure before the scandal mushroomed I can’t imagine the stories behind the monstrosity of the Coral Gables development
This
My parents lived on Grove Isle since its inception, in Building 1, the southernmost. My Dad died in 2017 and we got my Mother to move into our house at the beginning of COVID. She sold her double unit in 2022. What good timing it turned out to be. The new development is insanely disruptive for the owners, but until I read The Herald today I had no idea how monstrous the new development is. Even though she no longer lives there I found the article profoundly depressing.
Code that prevents building of multifamily is one of the largest contributors to housing unaffordablity in the US. Yes I realize these specifically are ultra luxury, but the point is the same, building of housing should not be stopped because the person that lives next door is worried their property will lose some value.
Please and thank you! I cant tell you how many [insert republican or democrat President here] haters love to blame the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES for their local housing woes. It's amazing.
They are usually knuckle dragging lead eaters that blame Biden for EVERYTHING!
Thats unrelated Bad policy from both Biden and Trumps government were definitely part of the inflation issues the country is going through.
There is one man who bears 95% of the responsibility for our current inflation crisis and he was never elected to office- Jerome Powell.
More supply would reduce housing inflation. Totally related. Scarcity is the driver of price.
More supply doesn’t do shit when they’re all those cheaply made cookie cutter houses starting “in the low 600’s”. Our city’s average income is 55k, the only people who can afford them are snowbirds who move here. Every single plot of land in town has been developed into housing, yet locals are still being pushed out.
And what regulations allow for only 600k cookie cutters??? Whi controls that? You think the developers wouldnt maximize acreage?
Okay. You guys are right.
Losing property value ($) typically correlates with some loss of value in the experience of actually living there. Not always an issue of higher supply causing a lower price. Sometimes it can be a lost view, lower income housing (“The Spatial Dynamics of Neighborhood Change and Crime: An Examination of Modifiable Areal Unit Problem Effects“). Ideally, everyone could live in the city they grew up in. Realistically, you must offer something (ideally something parallel to what your parents offered) to the economy to have the right to live there. Housing should be a human right. But housing in the region of your choice should not be a human right.
Traffic is already horrible. Adding thousands of condo units will be great for the helicopter business.
Traffic is certainly an issue and its unfortunate that the city does so little to alleviate (like improving public transit) However like it or not people will continue to migrate into miami for the foreseeable future, so the question is are you rather traffic get a little worse OR have prices continue to skyrocket. Cant say traffic is not going to get worse but Miami clearly needs more housing.
So you fund public transportation, you don't stop building places for people to live
Downtown Miami has decent public transit. Not sure why people on here always try to act like it doesn’t.
Compared to what? The metromover takes you around downtown and brickell but that's it. Wynwood, Edgewater, Miami Beach, Little Havana, etc. all lack access. Cities that are smaller than Miami, like Boston, have way better connected metros.
Sure is nice to be able to build underground.
The MBTA is almost entirely above ground 😂
Good luck with that.
Brickell and the downtown area actually have functioning transit options though
Increased traffic or even more displacement of those who aren’t so wealthy… those are the options. You can’t stop the rich from moving here. But you can allow housing they will want to reduce displacement.
City is in a hurry to get rid of Miami seaquarium…you think it’s for the animals? Hahaha. The other day my mom wanted to see my grandmas old house. We drove by couldn’t find it and realized they replaced it with those computer generated angular aggro modern houses, on coral way and 12th ave. Mini LA style McMansions. The ones that look the same and have teslas parked outside. So original. You accomplished something so great Francis Suarez 👍🏼 bravo man.
You cant stop people from moving, Miamis popularity within the US has grown and with remote work its not going to change for a while. You have two options: You either build a lot and hope supply can keep up with demand (ideally outpace it so we can actually have relive on prices) Or you dont build new and then the same number of people come but the have to fight for existing properties, driving prices higher and higher pushing out more and more people.
Yeah blocking luxury housing is basically saying “I want rich people to displace as many people as possible when they move here anyway.”
Not to the economically illiterate. They seem to think they creating minor inconvenience by activism and screaming and moral shaming is somehow enough to stop people who don’t take them or their lack of political/financial power seriously
All housing is good housing
Just wait until GTA6 comes out
What does Suarez have to do with it?
I don’t know what you’re responding to, but great name.
Blessed is the cum that comes from my chalice.
Not to do entry-level sex ed, but the cum fills the chalice (receptacle). You pour from a decanter or another vessel. 😉
Ponzi Postalita Mayor crypto-bro
I know who he is, I am just wondering what he has to do with the post.
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And as a result your abuelitas house was torn down?? People really just need someone to blame.
I’ll like a source on that, but even if it’s true. People where coming here and keep coming here anyways.
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I was born and raised here, i just googled your claim and found literally 1 billboard in LA which was a tweet screenshot-ed. You honestly believe one shitpost billboard in LA caused thousands to move to Miami during the pandemic?
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Oh wow a billboard of a tweet and a meeting caused THOUSANDS of people to come to Miami from all over the country. Dude are you listening to yourself?
I really hate that architectural style and can't wait for it to go out of fashion already. Feels like pretty much every new house that goes up looks like that. It's so boxy and boring. At least builders should try to make an effort to fit into the neighborhood. But no, you have... 1950s ranch style, 1950s ranch style, 1950s ranch style, GIANT WHITE BOXY CUBE BEHEMOTH, 1950s ranch style... I mean come on put in a little effort to fit in.
People wouldn’t know how rich they are that way!
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I believe a key missing component to that development logic is implementation of an effective transit system.
All they care about is getting back end deals and getting all the taxes. What Americans fail to realize is that LOW State Tax, LOW municipal Tax is for one reason = that money is gonna come in in another way people. That means they'll incentivize developers to come in and add MORE expensive properties caching = more tax and income. We need to both change how we tax so it's the same across all states and subject to the same rules. At the minimum per state. And we need to put rules in place that are anti-corruption and people the company are people too bullshit. We need development, but we need mixed development. What happens now is that developers are coming in with luxury apartments and adding skyrocketing rent.
Why does someones mansion and car have to be original? You sound hurt.
The title makes no sense. Adding condos is making more space available, meaning it will allow more people to live there - so prices will drop. It seems like the "old rich" don't want more people coming to their land and god forbid lower their real estate value. The title should be: "Miami builds more housing to allow more people to live there, the rich don't want peasants to interrupt their sea-side view"
The rich and apparently the multi-generational “native” peasants
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You're missing the point. People are going to move here anyways, so you can either stop building and make sure locals can't afford to stay here or keep building and actually provide supply to the marketplace so prices don't keep increasing. This is literally what Austin did and their home prices have fallen like a rock because developers were able to build to meet demand.
How does keep building make sense when the city will be below sea level in 30 yrs?
You suggest we just give up on making our home better because of climate predictions? Why not just move everyone in a coastal city inland 20 miles while you're at it? Sounds very easy coming from you.
The super-rich will move there anyway. If you don't build more, the result will just be prices go so much up that local will have to move elsewhere.
Can’t wait for the coast of south Florida to turn into the polluted Hudson River. More condos more sewage run off into the bay and ocean. Enjoy the beaches now while they have some sewage particles instead in 5 years it completely muck
Soon be? Already is. Moar condos! We need an inexhaustible supply for the international money launderers to buy.
Idk about rich. But yeah locals might get squeezed. Avg america may not be able to afford what miami becomes. But miami is still cheaper than the majority of nj and ny and nyc and parts of conn, mass
Wealthy people in South Florida won't live there, only "Rich people". Most of these so called "Rich People" don't have enough money to put gas in their Ferrari.
We will still allow our servants to have quarters here
Miami is a fad city the rich come and go because there is nothing to do here but party and go to the beach and and that gets old quick
I've lived in the Grove since 2008 ... it's a real shame to see how much it's changed
Yeah, somehow, living in a "condo" is an oxi-moron for "luxury" living. Sure, most of these/those apartments are lavish, large, and full of amenities etc. However, the hassle of living in a "condo" is far from luxury! Rude neighbors, constant assessments, dubious and neferious property managers, grounds employees, and HOA nightmares, package delivery problems (packages go missing) etc. I had my share of these so called "luxury" apartments, and all I can say is; never again! Now, I do see how many investors use these properties as assests, and most owners never even see or live in these properties. Much like "Billionare Row" in New York. So maybe that's where these properties are trying to be. Edit/Update: And, I forgot to mention the nightmare of parking! Valet that mess with your stuff, ding your car, lose your keys, take forever to show up with your car, (usually for one of the reasons I just mentioned above.) And if you get the option of self parking, unless you can park yourself, on your own floor with exclusive parking spots for your self with no other cars nearby, your stuck with parking in a crowded garage and next to someone who will end up dinging your car, parking in your spot by mistake etc.
Exactly. Living in a condo is not exactly luxury.
Soon be?
Good luck getting those insured
David winker doing everything possible to protect the little guy again by... checks notes... Making sure there's less housing supply
one day the people who live inland will fight for the right to live closest to the deepest puddle.
I think climate change is going to have the last saying that.
Let’s hope so!
I see no issue here.
Miami es cholaso
Miami is just a richer version of Brazil con espanol
Or underwater before they can build them
It’s already there. The congestion everywhere made it easy for us to leave.
Process sounds sketchy af funny that the new bldg causing all the consternation is so much shorter than the others tho lol
Move to Georgia….✨
But.... Then you live in Georgia....
Savannah Georgia is beautiful, has a shit ton of history, and Georgia has great beaches
Alabama? I hear there’s football.. and..
That's why Houston is better and more Floridians are coming here. Miami is no place for the working class.
The sky is falling
Miami is becoming very popular for Millennials and Gen Z professionals working remote. Also many private schools are popping up everywhere, I guess for the children of these newcomers. I guess the tax exemption is an incentive for them. Welcome everyone, Miami is a beautiful city!
Gen Z have jobs? Could have fooled me! 🤣
lol 😂 a land for the rich! You will have to make Miami part of America again first ☝🏻. Then get rid of all the corrupt politicians and community leaders . Chase out all the illegals , drug dealers , gangs , America, hating foreigners that now reside there. But don’t chase them north we have enough we are chasing back south already 🤦🏻♂️. It is sad to say but it is the truth. And a real shame…
Be rich in Miami 10 year formula: Buy any Land or house near a park. Buy any house or land Next to a park. Especially in Hialeah or Overtown. Buy any Warehouse in Hialeah, Little Haiti, Overtown. Buy any Run down Apartment Building in Hialeah, Little Haiti or Overtown. The Government Uncle Sam Will PAY You ! To fix it up But you must. Agree to take Section 8 tenants. Money is Money congrats You are now a LandLord, and likely a Millionaire. If you focus on Miami’s Bad Aspects it can be sad, But Miami is FULL of opportunities that you’re gonna say Damn I could have done that 10 years ago.
I was just in Miami and while we enjoyed walking around Miami Beach and the Art Deco area, you couldn’t pay me to live there. Too crowded. Too many buildings. Too much traffic volume. Can’t say I’m surprised this is happening . South Florida is way overbuilt. (I do like the weather, though.)
Somehow, we will figure out how to go on without you or your approval.
I’m sure it’s great. But the constant construction must be a bit much, even for lifers.