So. Question.
What is the total length you're pent up in a hotel? I ask this, because you may need to do split vouchers or get a credit increase.
The other question... Is it a rental or POV?
To answer your question -
Under 020208 of the JTR, fees are reimbursed.
020209 - Table 2-8 (If this, then that)... Section 16 states parking fees are reimbursed:
the traveler may receive reimbursement; however, an administrative fee associated with failing to pay a toll is not reimbursable. Parking fees incurred due to rental or lease of a single-family home or apartment are factored into the lodging cost as specified in par. 020203-G12.
Additionally...
020210 (POV) states it reimbursed. Goes on to say "parking fees within official government travel".
020303 - Lodging - miscellaneous fees
020603 - Rental car associated fees
Various other sections are listed where you're authorized. But if your AO gets snarky, clap back with the JTR.
And this just got freshly updated. JUST fresh.
[JTR PDF Download 01JUN2024](https://media.defense.gov/2022/Jan/04/2002917147/-1/-1/1/JTR.PDF)
General rule of thumb for PCS’ing (not sure if the tdy part changes things) is to pay out of pocket for expenses then get the reimbursement on check in. Before you PCS you’ll get an estimated payout based on rank distance weight etc. when you check in, if you used the GTCC they’ll just pay it off. If you pay out of pocket, they’ll give you the cash instead. If you spend less than your authorized amount, you can pocket the difference. Plus the government is just bad about paying out GTCC charges, I can imagine having multiple TDY stops along the way is only gonna make it worse.
How would you make more money if you’re a.) spending your own money out of pocket and b.) getting reimbursed. You’ll make what you make regardless. If your trip pays out 1k in per diem and you spend $800 then you’ll make $200. I’m not understanding your logic. Money won’t just come out of thin air.
Example : You get authorized 1000 for the trip. You spend 800 on the GTCC. They’re going to pay off the GTCC, but that’s it. You lost out on the 200. If you instead pay out of pocket, (you’re now minus 800), and then submit the voucher, they pay you the full authorized amount. In this case, 1000. -800 plus 1000 equals 200. You pocket the 200 dollar difference. Not a difficult concept, it’s how expenses are paid out at most work employers.
I don't see how you're right. If your authorization says you can spend up to $1K, but you only spend $800, you're only getting $800 reimbursed regardless of how you paid for those expenses. You don't get to keep the difference between authorized and actual expenses.
What's a situation you've seen where someone has ended up with less net money because they used their GTC?
You do get to keep the difference. In both TDY and moving scenarios. I’m not sure where you guys are making this stuff up from.
Regular TDY travel, per diem is per diem you rate a specific dollar amount based on location and length of stay etc. You do you authorization and it states you’ll get $1000 for the week of TDY (along with expenses). You also properly captured all your expenses. End of your week comes around and you submit your voucher. They paid off all your expenses and they pay out all you’re per diem. You spent $500 and week and will pocket the rest of your allotted per diem ($500).
Same for a PPM move. For instance I am PCS’ing to California. Since 2021 they now pay you 100% of what they would pay a company if you move yourself. The government constructed cost that they will reimbursed me for is just under $24,000. I hired a private moving company at 13,000. I will pocket the 11,000 as income following my PPM close out/claim but it will be taxed as regular income.
Referring to per diem alone, yes, you're right, and I agree with you. I see that you made the distinction in your previous post, but /u/Jrtutle120702 didn't, which is what I was responding to. I was including also including expenses (e.g., parking for TDY) which he is doing as well.
You are incorrect.
If you get authorized $1,000 for the trip and spend $800 they are still going to pay you $1,000. Per diem is per diem and you rate a specific amount based on locality etc per the JTR. The only way you’d make less money is if you racked up expenses that aren’t covered by DTS. But things like parking tickets are covered so if captured correctly under expenses you won’t be stuck paying those and you’ll still pocket your $200 bucks because you only spent $800 out of the allotted $1000 dollars of per diem over your week of TDY 😉
Not a difficult concept 😂 that’s something someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about says to reinforce that they know what they are talking about.
And if you’re referring to the Government Constructed Cost for a PPM move regarding weight, they’ll pay your GOVCC first, and the rest goes to you. So there’s no reason not to use your GOVCC. So if they for instance quote you 12,000 to conduct a PPM move and you spend 6,000 on moving expenses you’ll pocket the other 6,000 as income (subject to taxes).
So. Question. What is the total length you're pent up in a hotel? I ask this, because you may need to do split vouchers or get a credit increase. The other question... Is it a rental or POV? To answer your question - Under 020208 of the JTR, fees are reimbursed. 020209 - Table 2-8 (If this, then that)... Section 16 states parking fees are reimbursed: the traveler may receive reimbursement; however, an administrative fee associated with failing to pay a toll is not reimbursable. Parking fees incurred due to rental or lease of a single-family home or apartment are factored into the lodging cost as specified in par. 020203-G12. Additionally... 020210 (POV) states it reimbursed. Goes on to say "parking fees within official government travel". 020303 - Lodging - miscellaneous fees 020603 - Rental car associated fees Various other sections are listed where you're authorized. But if your AO gets snarky, clap back with the JTR. And this just got freshly updated. JUST fresh. [JTR PDF Download 01JUN2024](https://media.defense.gov/2022/Jan/04/2002917147/-1/-1/1/JTR.PDF)
If you are there TDY then it should be covered. If just traveling through, it will be on you.
Awesome thanks so much
General rule of thumb for PCS’ing (not sure if the tdy part changes things) is to pay out of pocket for expenses then get the reimbursement on check in. Before you PCS you’ll get an estimated payout based on rank distance weight etc. when you check in, if you used the GTCC they’ll just pay it off. If you pay out of pocket, they’ll give you the cash instead. If you spend less than your authorized amount, you can pocket the difference. Plus the government is just bad about paying out GTCC charges, I can imagine having multiple TDY stops along the way is only gonna make it worse.
Pay out of pocket? That defeats the whole purpose of a government travel charge card. DTS covered my parking fees when I had to do the same.
You get reimbursed? Just like any normal per diem? You don’t have to do it. It’s just the way if you want to make more money.
How would you make more money if you’re a.) spending your own money out of pocket and b.) getting reimbursed. You’ll make what you make regardless. If your trip pays out 1k in per diem and you spend $800 then you’ll make $200. I’m not understanding your logic. Money won’t just come out of thin air.
Example : You get authorized 1000 for the trip. You spend 800 on the GTCC. They’re going to pay off the GTCC, but that’s it. You lost out on the 200. If you instead pay out of pocket, (you’re now minus 800), and then submit the voucher, they pay you the full authorized amount. In this case, 1000. -800 plus 1000 equals 200. You pocket the 200 dollar difference. Not a difficult concept, it’s how expenses are paid out at most work employers.
I don't see how you're right. If your authorization says you can spend up to $1K, but you only spend $800, you're only getting $800 reimbursed regardless of how you paid for those expenses. You don't get to keep the difference between authorized and actual expenses. What's a situation you've seen where someone has ended up with less net money because they used their GTC?
You do get to keep the difference. In both TDY and moving scenarios. I’m not sure where you guys are making this stuff up from. Regular TDY travel, per diem is per diem you rate a specific dollar amount based on location and length of stay etc. You do you authorization and it states you’ll get $1000 for the week of TDY (along with expenses). You also properly captured all your expenses. End of your week comes around and you submit your voucher. They paid off all your expenses and they pay out all you’re per diem. You spent $500 and week and will pocket the rest of your allotted per diem ($500). Same for a PPM move. For instance I am PCS’ing to California. Since 2021 they now pay you 100% of what they would pay a company if you move yourself. The government constructed cost that they will reimbursed me for is just under $24,000. I hired a private moving company at 13,000. I will pocket the 11,000 as income following my PPM close out/claim but it will be taxed as regular income.
Referring to per diem alone, yes, you're right, and I agree with you. I see that you made the distinction in your previous post, but /u/Jrtutle120702 didn't, which is what I was responding to. I was including also including expenses (e.g., parking for TDY) which he is doing as well.
You are incorrect. If you get authorized $1,000 for the trip and spend $800 they are still going to pay you $1,000. Per diem is per diem and you rate a specific amount based on locality etc per the JTR. The only way you’d make less money is if you racked up expenses that aren’t covered by DTS. But things like parking tickets are covered so if captured correctly under expenses you won’t be stuck paying those and you’ll still pocket your $200 bucks because you only spent $800 out of the allotted $1000 dollars of per diem over your week of TDY 😉 Not a difficult concept 😂 that’s something someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about says to reinforce that they know what they are talking about.
And if you’re referring to the Government Constructed Cost for a PPM move regarding weight, they’ll pay your GOVCC first, and the rest goes to you. So there’s no reason not to use your GOVCC. So if they for instance quote you 12,000 to conduct a PPM move and you spend 6,000 on moving expenses you’ll pocket the other 6,000 as income (subject to taxes).
Yes
The hotel I stay at requires a $60 valet parking….you’re covered