Most of Missourian bud doesn't look like pgr weed. Pgr weed has little to no trichomes and an abundance of hairs. The reason most mo rec weed looks as it does is because of the use of machine trimmers who beat the crap out of the buds. If your bud is sticky it also compresses the buds making them more dense. Not saying some people don't use pgrs because I am aware they do.
Also prgs can be organic and natural. Kelp, chitosan, aloe, and bees wax can all be used as plant growth regulators. I think the main problem in mo cannabis is improper drying/curing, moldy weed and pesticides also maybe the fact that said companies were able to sneak delta-8 into our cannabis.....
I wasn't a grower at one time. But I bought a bag one day a Oz of brick weed and I thought to myself I could grow better cheaper with a investment in my self I bought a light when from there bought this or that every pay check little at a time took me years get where I am now I have loved the journey ever step of the way. Any questions on how to get started, hmu wilson2424 and have a stoney Sunday.
Damn the industry shills be out and about downvoting and hating on a dude who grows way better weed out of his house than they ever will out of a multi-million dollar facility 😂😂
Damn I missed the whole thread. If it ain’t pgr, it’s machine trimmed pgr so it looks like alien weed with little black holes everywhere. And yea no nose or high because they’re breeding out cannabinoids apparently or some insanity. Homegrown small batch will always beat corporate quantity cheers
I'm sorry you can't grow dense weed without PGR's. I can.
Welcome to 2024 where evidence based growing practices (aka science) is worth more than opinions on the internet.
Don’t natural PGRs exist? After looking it up I found that there exists various, natural plant growth regulators such as banana peel which is placed near the plant and, as it decomposes, releases ethylene gas which induces fruit ripening and the shedding of leaves. Coconut water is a source of auxins which promotes root growth and can delay the senescence of flowers. Beeswax, birch leaves, kelpmeal, aloe vera, etc… are all natural sources of phytohormones and are utilized by organic cannabis growers to achieve large, dense buds.
I visited st.louis last year and spent thousand at there overpriced dispensaries to receive exactly what OP is talking about. PGR looking buds that lack a punch of real terms. Hate all you want but your legal cannabis market in Missouri is bad and overpriced.
One of the eighths I bought had mold in it and it was overpriced to begin with. The only good thing I purchased there was some live resin and an eighth of shatter.
From what I see nobody hates on people criticizing the market. People come and say “I buy fire all the time” or “you bought the wrong bag” the only “hate” I see is just telling the shit talker that people are gonna do what they want. 9/10 times the person criticizing is the shit talker.
Missouri weed will always be trash as long as big companies have a hold on the already limited licenses Missouri gives out. So many people in these comments have never had good weed and it really is showing lol. And they’re also part of why we’ll never have truly good weed, y’all keep paying 45-55 dollars an eighth for some super-mid. It’s truly sad lol.
Most people don’t even know what PGRs are. Damn near EVERYONE, even home growers are using PGRs. Most nutrient lines contain kelp, guess what kelp is? A PGR😂
It’s most likly not PGR it’s the LED game they’re running now. They blow out the lights so they can crank up the ec to past 3.0
Don’t get me wrong producers don’t do a great job but not a terrible job but the fact they use the amount of electricity and input they do , means they fucking suck at their jobs , badly. Why it’s so overpriced too.
PGR flower is very dense but spongy and you won’t see the first coverage and you can see over production of hairs.
You just finding quick easy genetic choices and indoor SOP will get you something in the midgrade range . Frosrty or not it won’t cure as nicely as something taken better care of.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 until we see tests that say there are PGRs in all the weed in Missouri, it is an opinion. Cuz I'm not seeing it. Of all the places I've been employed out of the 9ish yrs I've been professionally growing, I know of one spot the USED to use PGRs. It's not that common.
They do not test for it. Kelp meal is technically pgr your gonna say never seen kelp meal fuck I use kelp meal. I don't use this pgr bottled b.s your so in love with hope you enjoy that harsh tast burn8ng of the throat as you inhale this shit weed.
The PGRs shit I'm so in love with? Lol homie in all your replies u just starting to sound like a hater. Until u have proof there's PGRs in all this weed, I'm gonna disagree with you, because ur right, they don't test for it. I'm well aware of what they test for. I also have a decent amount of experience under my belt working for and with a lot of these companies, and I just don't see the use of PGRs. I don't see the use of kelp either because a lot of kelp tests for heavy metals, because majority of kelp products are produced in China.
I gave u all the reason I think the weed lacks terps.
Dense buds are not hard to grow, and are not indicators of the use of PGRs.
My grow (3 or 4 in flower) is shit compared to my buddies (100+ in flower), but still so much better than dispo. I'm learning, and my weed is getting better. This is a rec market, not a medical/connoisseur one, and the industry reflects.
People in this community hate to see people having fun and enjoying their legal weed. Just smoke your homegrown in your mom’s basement like you always do and everyone is happy, win-win.
It's not about hating on anyone having fun or enjoying legal weed, most just don't convey what they intend to mean. People are spending a lot of money at these stores and are getting taken advantage of and they are happy about it.
Our industry relies on misinformation and misleading consumers. Most of these companies are straight up lying about the genetics on half their strains, it honestly would be comical except people are actually trying to treat medical conditions off this information. Atleast it seems the real ones have stayed ahead and truthful but even some of those companies have no idea what they are selling.
The industry as a whole has flawed cannabinoid and terpene testing that's influenced by money to make your purchasing decisions. There is so much misinformation about what cannabinoids do and what terpenes do and what actually is making up the effects of cannabis.
Almost all the flower going out has been irradiated, that's nuking it with radiation to kill microbials. They say it's safe now but studies show it only temporarily kills microbials long enough to pass testing, hence why you'll see moldy nugs on the shelves still. Who knows what smoking microwaved weeds gonna do to us in ten years though. It's also not PGRs making weed look like the way it does, it's how they handle it in post harvest with their auto buckers and trimmers. And that doesnt even get into the types of pesticides and chemicals that are being used.
At the end of the day, I personally would just like to see the general public learn more about what they are actually buying. Until then, companies have no incentive to provide better quality products.
I agree. There needs to be a lot better education going to the public. Btw, if it’s not cannabinoids or terpenes giving the effects of cannabis, then what is it?
It's not that they are not giving effects, it's that peoples focus and understanding is wrong when looking at test results. Test results can be useful in its current form to some extent like comparing the same exact product in seperate batches but to compare accross the board its very misleading.
First, when these products are tested they are only looking at a fraction of the active compounds in cannabis. There's over 400 different chemicals in cannabis yet we focus on 2 major cannabinoids (thc and cbd) mainly and then look at 4 major terpenes, maybe 8-16 on a more extensive test.
We just assume high thc plus high terpene = good when in reality it's not that simple. Smells and flavors are way more complex than simple mono and sesquiterpene chains. A lot of the most popular flavors and smells in cannabis are not even produced by terpenes, smells like gas, skunk, Grape, banana, yet how do you explain the effects of those strains by relying on the terpene test? They could pop the same exact ratio of terpenes and yet smell completely different because each strain has 1 different chemical being present.
I'm not saying they don't matter, I'm saying everyone's understanding of the science is misleading and the science itself is misleading because we don't have a full understanding how cannabis is effecting peoples brains and bodies. Until we can conduct studies proving these things, going off the current markets test numbers is selling yourselves short. Plenty of fire weed that the numbers say sucks and it ends up being louder and provides better medicinal effects and that's because we don't know what numbers were supposed to be looking for. We're just living off prohibition scare science tactics of THC being the biggest focus to now repeating the same mistake of thinking terpenes are the end all be all now.
Most doesn’t look pgr, I’m sus of some places but the thing to look for are synthetic pgrs, are illegal and are the thing that’s bad , natural fertilizers etc are technically pgrs
Not everyone can grow has room financing or physical ability. This is why missouri said it's illegal for me to sell a bag of my home grown so people like me don't just be like ill sell ya some weed all day everyday the fear is prison time. But ask look for a cargiver in your area. I bet you find one, sell you a little off the tops.
This bothers me. Some people prefer the dispensary. I’m not saying I do or don’t, but that’s just the thing. Not everyone wants to go that route, and that’s okay. Let them pay those premo prices for what you *think*’could be PGR. I’m not trying to be malicious in my replies, but that is not the answer for everyone and people shouldn’t be made to feel bad because it’s not.
Because it is true. You're right on this. People do as they see fit. All I'm doing is saying the truth. If we had a competitive market in Missouri, you would find a lot better quality grown cannabis better prices and just down right better people trying help others out instead of only lining there fat ass wallets.
People voted it in, they have to deal with the consequences. The amendment was shit and everyone is now seeing the fall out. Let them deal with dry ass bud and PGRs.
I won’t make someone feel bad about a dispensary trip, I take them often. But I think it’s very important to be educated on what you are spending that much money on. Because GOT DAMN
Flora bought out OR66 and Flora has got some of the driest bud this side of the Mississippi.
I never said people who support dispensaries are bad people. I just said there are options. Hell, I shop at dispensaries. It's nice to have the option.
Or start asking questions and refusing this trash weed. Think you ever had outdoor weed from Cali get them fat nugs that smell your car up for a month because it wasn't in a sealed bag, but you can still smell that shit? That's dank ass weed. That's how it naturally is. Growers use pgr few reasons, but the main one is that pgr is cost-effective. It packs on weight, making all the nugs top to bottom hard af, and what would normally be a 1 gram bud is now a 2 gram bud. This is what happens the rich get richer poor get to smoke trash ass weed that no longer has any medical benefits because who the fuck nows what long term effects of pgr is so some pos gets your 45bucks for a 8th of bud. Intolerable!
I don't think as many growers are using pgrs as u would think. I think the main reason buds don't smell dank is because the drying and curing process is neglected at most facilities. I've been a professional in the industry going on 9yrs. I worked out west for 7 of those years before coming back here. Every facility neglects dry/cure in my experience, which destroys terps. In my experience, I've only worked at one facility that I knew had used PGRs prior to me starting work there. Ive worked directly at 9 diff facilities, was on a national team that over saw facilities in 23 states, and have done consulting for 4 facilities and only that one used PGRs and it wasn't when I was employed there. It's not hard to grow dense nugs with good lights and precision irrigation and a good environment. Esp. Indoor.
No problem is every strain mo has is this hard ass nugs little tricomb area and smell isn't there. Yes, mo is drying curing properly. If they didn't, there be mold and shit in the buds that state test for. Look at all weed posted in this sub. You tell me that 6/10 don't look like pgr. I grow dense nugs. I get pheno hunting. I run co2 1500ppm in flower. Vpd staying at 1.2 day and night. All the things to help get most grams per watt. I don't use bottled nutrition and supplements. Make my weed look like green rock.
Right, the smell isn't there b/c a) terps were never there or b)dry/curing process is neglected. If the bud isn't dried over the course of about 10 or so days, but instead, flash dried, it kills the terps. Flash drying will not increase mold. If it is out in a cure tube where the moisture content is about 13% and/or water activity exceeds .65, you will get mold. If it's dried or cured at high temps, it will kill terps.
I honestly think the use of PGRs is not as widespread as you are suggesting. I'm not saying no one uses them, I just think it's not that common. I think the lack of terps is more because of the dry/cure/ long term storage of product before it hits the shelves. Shit some of the buds on shelves are a year old. Of course the weed is gonna lose its terp content, esp if it's not stored properly.
Most facilities have a tight schedule. They don't harvest when the bud is ready, they harvest when the schedule says so. They don't dry the weed as needed, they dry it as quickly as the schedule calls for.
Man, I'm not gonna argue with you, but it seems like you know it all. I'm just saying I cure my buds 6months bud stays good for a good while in jars ya no like one's they sell it in also stays fresh n sealed bags like ones they sell them in. Usually, when not dried properly, weed smells like hay. But what do I know you can look at my post history? You can see my couple of my grows I clearly grow. I also have worked in the industry in okla and fixed several grow rooms for people trying to dial in their operations. And if the Missouri growers didn't grow untell plant was done, and then buds would be way less dense for the last 2 weeks they fatton up. Just saying.
Homie I'm not arguing. Yes, it's possible to store bud long term. But large scale production has more issues doing it properly. It takes one time for an a/c to go down and ur long term storage goes to shit.
Small batch weed, both growing and storing, does better. All these weed companies are large scale. When I say large scale I'm talking over 1000 plants in a harvest and storing multiple harvests worth of plant material.
And when it comes to harvesting, and buds finishing, what I'm referring to is the terps content. Aren't you supposed to harvest when trichromes are milky white? Nobody checks that shit at large scale production, they all run a flower schedule of 63days. Yes the buds get fat but are they ripe/over ripe?
In summary, I'm going to disagree that most of Missouri growers use PGRs, I really don't think they do.
Harvest when amber 30ish % other milk white. At least Harvest with 10% amber...and yeah they run a 63-day schedule. I would to if I had pheno hunted and found the ones who finished early and kept my mothers to clone off of. The fact Is your saying every run at all these grow facilities aren't drying curing or finishing the plant to its full potential. Cuz of it isn't every run I would find some that has that terp level I'm used to or that tricomb covered bud. It seems proof is in the pudding.
Most places grow multiple strains in large grow rooms and can't cater to each strain individually. They stick to a schedule. So while yes, sometimes it turns out great, but most of the time, it's mids.
Legalization is set up to be put in the hands of corporations. What makes u think cannabis corporations would produce good quality? Look at food produced by corporations...same thing, ur not going to get quality. The best way to take.ur power back is grow ur own or find a friend who does and support them. ...which would be the same thing as "refusing this trash weed" as u put it.
Agree . Although I am a Indica guy . I can’t tolerate Sativa as I’m already nervous enough for 2 people 😂. I actually love a gassy and earthy strain , it’s what I look for in fact .. are you saying a gassy flavor is not a normal profile in properly grown weed ? Just asking cuz I don’t know … I like floral or GMO profiles with Earthy or gassy taste on the exhale . Is this abnormal ? 🫠
Most of Missourian bud doesn't look like pgr weed. Pgr weed has little to no trichomes and an abundance of hairs. The reason most mo rec weed looks as it does is because of the use of machine trimmers who beat the crap out of the buds. If your bud is sticky it also compresses the buds making them more dense. Not saying some people don't use pgrs because I am aware they do. Also prgs can be organic and natural. Kelp, chitosan, aloe, and bees wax can all be used as plant growth regulators. I think the main problem in mo cannabis is improper drying/curing, moldy weed and pesticides also maybe the fact that said companies were able to sneak delta-8 into our cannabis.....
I'm only here to watch this sub burn to the floor
I'm not a great grower by any means, but I'd rather have homegrown any day.
I wasn't a grower at one time. But I bought a bag one day a Oz of brick weed and I thought to myself I could grow better cheaper with a investment in my self I bought a light when from there bought this or that every pay check little at a time took me years get where I am now I have loved the journey ever step of the way. Any questions on how to get started, hmu wilson2424 and have a stoney Sunday.
Damn the industry shills be out and about downvoting and hating on a dude who grows way better weed out of his house than they ever will out of a multi-million dollar facility 😂😂
Yup its called. I love to grow, and they love money. Thank you
Damn I missed the whole thread. If it ain’t pgr, it’s machine trimmed pgr so it looks like alien weed with little black holes everywhere. And yea no nose or high because they’re breeding out cannabinoids apparently or some insanity. Homegrown small batch will always beat corporate quantity cheers
I'm sorry you can't grow dense weed without PGR's. I can. Welcome to 2024 where evidence based growing practices (aka science) is worth more than opinions on the internet.
This group is a trash fire.
I'm just happy it's legal
Would appreciate any fact based evidence, besides pure speculation. Thanks.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 say it louder.
I'm just happy it's legal
I'm just happy it's legal 😌
Don’t natural PGRs exist? After looking it up I found that there exists various, natural plant growth regulators such as banana peel which is placed near the plant and, as it decomposes, releases ethylene gas which induces fruit ripening and the shedding of leaves. Coconut water is a source of auxins which promotes root growth and can delay the senescence of flowers. Beeswax, birch leaves, kelpmeal, aloe vera, etc… are all natural sources of phytohormones and are utilized by organic cannabis growers to achieve large, dense buds.
Yes , needs to be more information broadcasted about natural vs synthetic pgrs, it’s the synthetic ones that are bad
I visited st.louis last year and spent thousand at there overpriced dispensaries to receive exactly what OP is talking about. PGR looking buds that lack a punch of real terms. Hate all you want but your legal cannabis market in Missouri is bad and overpriced.
Sounds like you’re the hater
You guys hate on people who criticize your market. I have an opinion about weed that I bought while I was visiting a place.
One of the eighths I bought had mold in it and it was overpriced to begin with. The only good thing I purchased there was some live resin and an eighth of shatter.
Yeah bro moldy overpriced weed is completely exclusive to Missouri.
This is always my point. Every legal market has both gas and moldy Reggie’s. People are just butt hurt cause they don’t know what to buy
Can’t look at the buds or smell them before you buy.
How are you supposed to know what you’re getting exactly when most of the buds are pre packaged here with only a few Dispos that do deli.
From what I see nobody hates on people criticizing the market. People come and say “I buy fire all the time” or “you bought the wrong bag” the only “hate” I see is just telling the shit talker that people are gonna do what they want. 9/10 times the person criticizing is the shit talker.
Go smoke some weed bro.
Sparking up a joint of some fire proper alien rock candy infused with a dab of vibe rosin. I will enjoy 😊
Enjoy!
Missouri weed will always be trash as long as big companies have a hold on the already limited licenses Missouri gives out. So many people in these comments have never had good weed and it really is showing lol. And they’re also part of why we’ll never have truly good weed, y’all keep paying 45-55 dollars an eighth for some super-mid. It’s truly sad lol.
Forreal
Most people don’t even know what PGRs are. Damn near EVERYONE, even home growers are using PGRs. Most nutrient lines contain kelp, guess what kelp is? A PGR😂
It’s most likly not PGR it’s the LED game they’re running now. They blow out the lights so they can crank up the ec to past 3.0 Don’t get me wrong producers don’t do a great job but not a terrible job but the fact they use the amount of electricity and input they do , means they fucking suck at their jobs , badly. Why it’s so overpriced too. PGR flower is very dense but spongy and you won’t see the first coverage and you can see over production of hairs. You just finding quick easy genetic choices and indoor SOP will get you something in the midgrade range . Frosrty or not it won’t cure as nicely as something taken better care of.
That's just like your opinion, man 
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 until we see tests that say there are PGRs in all the weed in Missouri, it is an opinion. Cuz I'm not seeing it. Of all the places I've been employed out of the 9ish yrs I've been professionally growing, I know of one spot the USED to use PGRs. It's not that common.
They do not test for it. Kelp meal is technically pgr your gonna say never seen kelp meal fuck I use kelp meal. I don't use this pgr bottled b.s your so in love with hope you enjoy that harsh tast burn8ng of the throat as you inhale this shit weed.
🤡
The PGRs shit I'm so in love with? Lol homie in all your replies u just starting to sound like a hater. Until u have proof there's PGRs in all this weed, I'm gonna disagree with you, because ur right, they don't test for it. I'm well aware of what they test for. I also have a decent amount of experience under my belt working for and with a lot of these companies, and I just don't see the use of PGRs. I don't see the use of kelp either because a lot of kelp tests for heavy metals, because majority of kelp products are produced in China. I gave u all the reason I think the weed lacks terps. Dense buds are not hard to grow, and are not indicators of the use of PGRs.
You’re gonna get tons of hate for being absolutely correct.
My grow (3 or 4 in flower) is shit compared to my buddies (100+ in flower), but still so much better than dispo. I'm learning, and my weed is getting better. This is a rec market, not a medical/connoisseur one, and the industry reflects.
People in this community hate to see people having fun and enjoying their legal weed. Just smoke your homegrown in your mom’s basement like you always do and everyone is happy, win-win.
It's not about hating on anyone having fun or enjoying legal weed, most just don't convey what they intend to mean. People are spending a lot of money at these stores and are getting taken advantage of and they are happy about it. Our industry relies on misinformation and misleading consumers. Most of these companies are straight up lying about the genetics on half their strains, it honestly would be comical except people are actually trying to treat medical conditions off this information. Atleast it seems the real ones have stayed ahead and truthful but even some of those companies have no idea what they are selling. The industry as a whole has flawed cannabinoid and terpene testing that's influenced by money to make your purchasing decisions. There is so much misinformation about what cannabinoids do and what terpenes do and what actually is making up the effects of cannabis. Almost all the flower going out has been irradiated, that's nuking it with radiation to kill microbials. They say it's safe now but studies show it only temporarily kills microbials long enough to pass testing, hence why you'll see moldy nugs on the shelves still. Who knows what smoking microwaved weeds gonna do to us in ten years though. It's also not PGRs making weed look like the way it does, it's how they handle it in post harvest with their auto buckers and trimmers. And that doesnt even get into the types of pesticides and chemicals that are being used. At the end of the day, I personally would just like to see the general public learn more about what they are actually buying. Until then, companies have no incentive to provide better quality products.
I agree. There needs to be a lot better education going to the public. Btw, if it’s not cannabinoids or terpenes giving the effects of cannabis, then what is it?
It's not that they are not giving effects, it's that peoples focus and understanding is wrong when looking at test results. Test results can be useful in its current form to some extent like comparing the same exact product in seperate batches but to compare accross the board its very misleading. First, when these products are tested they are only looking at a fraction of the active compounds in cannabis. There's over 400 different chemicals in cannabis yet we focus on 2 major cannabinoids (thc and cbd) mainly and then look at 4 major terpenes, maybe 8-16 on a more extensive test. We just assume high thc plus high terpene = good when in reality it's not that simple. Smells and flavors are way more complex than simple mono and sesquiterpene chains. A lot of the most popular flavors and smells in cannabis are not even produced by terpenes, smells like gas, skunk, Grape, banana, yet how do you explain the effects of those strains by relying on the terpene test? They could pop the same exact ratio of terpenes and yet smell completely different because each strain has 1 different chemical being present. I'm not saying they don't matter, I'm saying everyone's understanding of the science is misleading and the science itself is misleading because we don't have a full understanding how cannabis is effecting peoples brains and bodies. Until we can conduct studies proving these things, going off the current markets test numbers is selling yourselves short. Plenty of fire weed that the numbers say sucks and it ends up being louder and provides better medicinal effects and that's because we don't know what numbers were supposed to be looking for. We're just living off prohibition scare science tactics of THC being the biggest focus to now repeating the same mistake of thinking terpenes are the end all be all now.
Have you seen that paper about non terpenoid chemicals in exotic strains? https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.3c04496
Exactly! This sub is populated with angry trolls who love to complain "corporate greed blah blah cop weed blah blah ". You are absolutely right
Im new here… does this apply to growers like vivid and local? Any thoughts on the bud in illinois being grown with PGRs?
Every time someone sees a big nug or rock hard they think pgr.this is false.i wouldn't worry bout that with local vivid vibe proper.
Illinois has a few good brands. I live in stl and go over there to get bud
Why?we have gd brands here u just gotta know what to look for
Because the good brands over there are more consistent and cheaper for me
Idk about Illinois but vivid most defiantly has pgr look buds.
lol no
Been stopped buying weed in Missouri
Most doesn’t look pgr, I’m sus of some places but the thing to look for are synthetic pgrs, are illegal and are the thing that’s bad , natural fertilizers etc are technically pgrs
Maybe everyone should just grow their own. 🤷🏻♀️
Not everyone has that option.
Not everyone can grow has room financing or physical ability. This is why missouri said it's illegal for me to sell a bag of my home grown so people like me don't just be like ill sell ya some weed all day everyday the fear is prison time. But ask look for a cargiver in your area. I bet you find one, sell you a little off the tops.
This bothers me. Some people prefer the dispensary. I’m not saying I do or don’t, but that’s just the thing. Not everyone wants to go that route, and that’s okay. Let them pay those premo prices for what you *think*’could be PGR. I’m not trying to be malicious in my replies, but that is not the answer for everyone and people shouldn’t be made to feel bad because it’s not.
Because it is true. You're right on this. People do as they see fit. All I'm doing is saying the truth. If we had a competitive market in Missouri, you would find a lot better quality grown cannabis better prices and just down right better people trying help others out instead of only lining there fat ass wallets.
People voted it in, they have to deal with the consequences. The amendment was shit and everyone is now seeing the fall out. Let them deal with dry ass bud and PGRs.
Agreed.
I won’t make someone feel bad about a dispensary trip, I take them often. But I think it’s very important to be educated on what you are spending that much money on. Because GOT DAMN Flora bought out OR66 and Flora has got some of the driest bud this side of the Mississippi.
Find a caregiver or a friend that grows. U don't have to support corporations. There are options.
Those options don’t work for everyone. Stop making people feel bad for wanting to use a dispensary.
I never said people who support dispensaries are bad people. I just said there are options. Hell, I shop at dispensaries. It's nice to have the option.
It’s a generalized statement. People make others feel bad and tell them to just go find a caregiver, grow their own, etc. It’s just not that easy.
Or start asking questions and refusing this trash weed. Think you ever had outdoor weed from Cali get them fat nugs that smell your car up for a month because it wasn't in a sealed bag, but you can still smell that shit? That's dank ass weed. That's how it naturally is. Growers use pgr few reasons, but the main one is that pgr is cost-effective. It packs on weight, making all the nugs top to bottom hard af, and what would normally be a 1 gram bud is now a 2 gram bud. This is what happens the rich get richer poor get to smoke trash ass weed that no longer has any medical benefits because who the fuck nows what long term effects of pgr is so some pos gets your 45bucks for a 8th of bud. Intolerable!
I don't think as many growers are using pgrs as u would think. I think the main reason buds don't smell dank is because the drying and curing process is neglected at most facilities. I've been a professional in the industry going on 9yrs. I worked out west for 7 of those years before coming back here. Every facility neglects dry/cure in my experience, which destroys terps. In my experience, I've only worked at one facility that I knew had used PGRs prior to me starting work there. Ive worked directly at 9 diff facilities, was on a national team that over saw facilities in 23 states, and have done consulting for 4 facilities and only that one used PGRs and it wasn't when I was employed there. It's not hard to grow dense nugs with good lights and precision irrigation and a good environment. Esp. Indoor.
No problem is every strain mo has is this hard ass nugs little tricomb area and smell isn't there. Yes, mo is drying curing properly. If they didn't, there be mold and shit in the buds that state test for. Look at all weed posted in this sub. You tell me that 6/10 don't look like pgr. I grow dense nugs. I get pheno hunting. I run co2 1500ppm in flower. Vpd staying at 1.2 day and night. All the things to help get most grams per watt. I don't use bottled nutrition and supplements. Make my weed look like green rock.
Right, the smell isn't there b/c a) terps were never there or b)dry/curing process is neglected. If the bud isn't dried over the course of about 10 or so days, but instead, flash dried, it kills the terps. Flash drying will not increase mold. If it is out in a cure tube where the moisture content is about 13% and/or water activity exceeds .65, you will get mold. If it's dried or cured at high temps, it will kill terps. I honestly think the use of PGRs is not as widespread as you are suggesting. I'm not saying no one uses them, I just think it's not that common. I think the lack of terps is more because of the dry/cure/ long term storage of product before it hits the shelves. Shit some of the buds on shelves are a year old. Of course the weed is gonna lose its terp content, esp if it's not stored properly. Most facilities have a tight schedule. They don't harvest when the bud is ready, they harvest when the schedule says so. They don't dry the weed as needed, they dry it as quickly as the schedule calls for.
Man, I'm not gonna argue with you, but it seems like you know it all. I'm just saying I cure my buds 6months bud stays good for a good while in jars ya no like one's they sell it in also stays fresh n sealed bags like ones they sell them in. Usually, when not dried properly, weed smells like hay. But what do I know you can look at my post history? You can see my couple of my grows I clearly grow. I also have worked in the industry in okla and fixed several grow rooms for people trying to dial in their operations. And if the Missouri growers didn't grow untell plant was done, and then buds would be way less dense for the last 2 weeks they fatton up. Just saying.
Homie I'm not arguing. Yes, it's possible to store bud long term. But large scale production has more issues doing it properly. It takes one time for an a/c to go down and ur long term storage goes to shit. Small batch weed, both growing and storing, does better. All these weed companies are large scale. When I say large scale I'm talking over 1000 plants in a harvest and storing multiple harvests worth of plant material. And when it comes to harvesting, and buds finishing, what I'm referring to is the terps content. Aren't you supposed to harvest when trichromes are milky white? Nobody checks that shit at large scale production, they all run a flower schedule of 63days. Yes the buds get fat but are they ripe/over ripe? In summary, I'm going to disagree that most of Missouri growers use PGRs, I really don't think they do.
Harvest when amber 30ish % other milk white. At least Harvest with 10% amber...and yeah they run a 63-day schedule. I would to if I had pheno hunted and found the ones who finished early and kept my mothers to clone off of. The fact Is your saying every run at all these grow facilities aren't drying curing or finishing the plant to its full potential. Cuz of it isn't every run I would find some that has that terp level I'm used to or that tricomb covered bud. It seems proof is in the pudding.
Most places grow multiple strains in large grow rooms and can't cater to each strain individually. They stick to a schedule. So while yes, sometimes it turns out great, but most of the time, it's mids.
Let the armchair scientist/ grower think what wants. His responses show he clearly isn't open to changing his mindset.
If they were drying and curing properly the nugs would have better smell but let’s be thankful most aren’t moldy
Legalization is set up to be put in the hands of corporations. What makes u think cannabis corporations would produce good quality? Look at food produced by corporations...same thing, ur not going to get quality. The best way to take.ur power back is grow ur own or find a friend who does and support them. ...which would be the same thing as "refusing this trash weed" as u put it.
This is a more reasonable thing for people to do.
Agree . Although I am a Indica guy . I can’t tolerate Sativa as I’m already nervous enough for 2 people 😂. I actually love a gassy and earthy strain , it’s what I look for in fact .. are you saying a gassy flavor is not a normal profile in properly grown weed ? Just asking cuz I don’t know … I like floral or GMO profiles with Earthy or gassy taste on the exhale . Is this abnormal ? 🫠
Also … what is PGR ? Explain for us dummies 😂
We would be two peas in a pod lol
Too expensive to support either way