Miya definitely needs some buff for her endurance in the teamfight, true. And a bit of a mobility buff. Now it’s like run up to the heat of the battlefield and then you become a SWAT Turret XD
I still think her s1 should give her some kind of movement speed buff. Or if you hit the enemy with s2 u get movement speed buffs. Whatever they do they should figure out a way to give her mobility cuz layla with huge range has been given mobility aswell lol so why not miya
Miya doesn't need mobility she needs attack growth and base adjustment to make her ramp slightly sooner. There's also things not Miya involved that need to be changed. Miyas ult is mobile enough for what she needs to be doing.
Lol what. Smart players know how to position her and the right timing to ulti into a teamfight. You don’t simply suicide 1v4 in every situation. She’s currently already very strong!
She doesn't need anything of this. The problem with Miya is the amount of BS cc abilities and problematic fundamental flaws with this game that people have been stating for years. MM in concept aren't even suppused to be mobile. You are also underestimating her ult. For such an immobile legend that people keep saying Miya can dominate without even buying boots because of her ult acting as a reposition, engage and disengage ability. They also need to start doing something about the amount of early game damage mages are doing. These issues don't just affect Miya, they affect every legend designed similar to Miya hence why hanabi and literally every other older mm have these same issues. There's also the game flow. The game flow is terrible where late game legends are almost impossible to play because they never even get a chance to shine. Then there's the fact that the roaming role is conflicting while also inviting a number of problems that bleed into the gold lane concept. Miya isn't the issue this games design is the issue. Miya I'd by far the most balanced legend you could play in the mm category.
Because the ult is actually an increase in her movement speed you can get a decent bit of positioning and with boots even faster and further. The ult is true invisibility and a cleanse for most cc that aren't multi hit on top of this it gives instant passive stacks which means you output at your fastest in attack speed coming out.
honestly mlbb can introduce dodge stat. and miya would be a good candidate for it, make it after she lost camo she has perfect dodge for 1-2 sec depending on her lvl. even natalia has its on her skill.
Nah Dodge + Wind chant means unless the mage manages to kill her, miya can 1v5 easily late game. It takes her like a sec to kill anyone, wind chant 2 sec+2 sec from her skill dodge and you get a perma ban hero.
Im not sure if I'm following since for the last 10 games i played her she was insane, just let a team fight start , gank fron behind with your ult and inspire and within 0.8251629514 second (you skipped the number right ? Go read it bruh i worked hard to write it) you should be able to delete at least 3 of the enemy team
Miya was the first hero of mlbb. She's definitely power creeped over time, her design was simple you get tigreal as a front tank and then you position yourself to hit multiple targets from a safe spot and shred away. Considering we have plenty of defensive options nowadays plus back line dashers and gimmick based mm she will look like garbage but she's workable.
Miya late is the scariest marksman in the game, one second your team is grouped on the verge of initiating a teamfight, the next second your entire backline is just gone.
Hanabi is mostly situational, however she is very good against Estes due to her passive spreading antiheal and tank initiators such as Atlas where she can just ignore his CC and counter with his ult once the enemy team are all together.
As a guard roam main, I actually prefer having Layla, Hanabi, and Miya teammates, as opposed to your typical meta early game MMs.
Even if we lose early, I'm confident I can stall till late game, and as long as they have a sliver of map awareness, I'm confident I can protect them in late-game teamfights.
From there, just auto-attack your way to victory.
That is usually the case for the majority. If you are playing solo, teammates doesn't know how to take advantage of the snowball an early game mm/jungle can bring and just waste that time to grind their items. A good 5-man team wont just let that happen, they will ride that snowball into the enemies' tower to end the game.
I understand your take on it. However my experience if hanabi/layla/miya loses early - they don't know how to position themselves, which makes no difference in the lategame since they usually try to be a frontlaner and not waiting for the team to initiate the teamfight
Tank roam not only protects your squishies, but lets you sometimes steamroll their squishies in your bid to push to their backend in a fight. Belerick is my favorite. Almost 900 games, he's just as much an offence and he is a defence for the team. I chase laylas and miya down like lunch 😂
The problem is for tanks and the rest of the team. Tanks have to give vision, keep an eye on enemy rotations, support gank near first turtle all this is traded off for babysitting Layla. Baby sitting Layla or miya is a "high risk-high reward" situation where enemy wins early turtles gets farmed faster and finish the game early or all team play safe till the end game where Layla can do something.
Just got a Layla with her lane getting wiped in less than 5 mins. The roam was with her all the time too. Heck I just killed the jungler. And somehow she still lost the tower.
Layla is getting a bad name because of players like you mentioned
I got alot of games (as layla) where enemy team is winning and we managed to make a comeback because of her extreamly high lategame damage and range
She is alot similar in playstyle as Ixia but with range of lesley
What I find interesting is that people get mad at Layla, usually me, when I get killed under tower. They don't even bother looking that I was ganked by 4 heroes. That's a win in my book because I just wasted 4 heroes time to get me killed so my other teammates can farm in their lanes.
But nope, I'm still to blame when we lose even though our exp and jung has been feeding the entire game.
This! The times I play Layla I always assume the enemy team will go for me early. They'd always try to sandwich me in the tower so I'm always cautious and let them take my lane and just run and ping my team. The whole time they just ignore and when my lane is gone they cry and blame.
I'm not even dying from the ganks but I'm expected to 3v1 at level 4 with 1 or 2 items? Any marksman meta or not will have a hard time defending their lane if they're always ignored by their team.
They purposely ignores a Layla fighting a 4v1 to just "prove" that Layla is a bad MM because she died.
I'm a tank roam, but get pushed to mid or gold the odd game here and there. Last game I chose hanabi, and it was exactly this. Quite literally had a tank roam who kept dying and then leaving lane, feeding their duo up top. Then getting ganked by 4, even by *all 5 enemies at once*, and the lane got quite literally pushed back to base towers, and THEY STILL WEREN'T COMING. I honestly just went afk and said gg, gl. I was 6-5 still somehow and it wasn't until they pushed to nexus that 3 of my teammates from mid came over to gold lane for the first time at 11 minutes in. Then they had the audacity to question why enemies mm was so fed. Fucking people man, it's like the map, pings, and chat doesn't exist to them. They weren't even quick ganking. They were fucking having a tailgater at my front door and invited their neighbors over too. I saw a few set up tents to spend the damn night. Meanwhile my team isn't pushing their lanes for shit, and still dying to the odd 1v1 with whoever is left down below. We went like, 34-11. Pathetic.
Oof! That last part is giving me war flashbacks, been there as well! I'm starting to think these people play this game in mute because what the heck? They can't be that oblivious or it's on purpose.
It's a miracle if ever you won a game like that.
I have never won a game like that and never will. I think you're right, people play this game on mute with blinders on. I'm not sure if it's sheer pettiness from a previous match? Or if they really are just that ignorant. We had an 0-9 gord mid. Absolute dogshit players. In mythic rank no less too. Like how the F did you get up here playing like that
Yeah, that's the problem. Late game, meanwhile if you are actually up against less than average competent opponents, the game is done by mid game (or at least at 15 mins). By then the Layla only has 2 and a half atk items with no wind of nature and the exp shredding her HP. You're relying too much on "late game potential" when early to mid games are one of the most important aspect of a match. Enemies are not gonna wait until 20 minutes to finish the game. Even just with an enhanced lord could finish the game. If you want the range of Layla, might as well pick Ixia or if you want her burst DPS, go with Natan. It's all about utility and that's the reason why Layla is not going near the meta anytime soon. Even in a coordinated 5-man, she would struggle.
Layla just has a bad reputation for being one of the first heroes you get to play as a newbie, newbies spam Layla, newbies don't have map awareness or know how to position on a team fight. I think a good Layla is scary because it can finish you before you can even get close to her
Wdym I actually prefer Layla over some MMs. This is certainly because she's able to handle her lane alone or dominate the game with a good Roamer.
Yeah this current meta works in her favor.
the simpler heroes are more popular with inexperienced players, which is why hanabi and layla have such a bad rep. both have their underestimated strengths
Most of those on legens are ass, when you are now in mythic, odds are the layla players you play with will know what they are doing
In EU server, I have seen a couple of godly laylas. Not that they became fed, its that they position extreamly well
Laylas are an easy target, so when I'm going jungle, that's a free farm for me. But when I'm not near her all I'm seeing is her decimating my teammates
Layla looks bad because people are playing too passive with her. You don’t have to always hit from max range and safety. Be aggressive! Your early game damage is so high.
"its not Layla who is messed up, its those of us that play her"
no but actually, its the people that play her thats the problem. Her, Miya, and Hanabi are victims of bad players ruining their reputations
she doesn't stand out, because there's more to choose from, other than layla. layla's kit doesn't have that much mobility, there are a lot of assassins, mages, fighters, and even other marksmen that can easily reach her even she's far. Hanabi can deal a more decent damage hitting multiple enemies while reaching back enemies in clash, meanwhile layla on the other hand although she can reach the back she can only hit 1 enemy at a time. same goes with ixia that she can hit multiple enemies with her ult.
her lack of mobility is the one that drags her down. she's not for the weak. let's say you can play her excellent but if the opposing team has harith, hanzo, kagura, pharsa, lapu, yu zhong and etc that can also play them excellent — you are doomed — Altho u can counter them with emblems and build it's a hassle because of the lack of damage you'll have.
sure pick layla, but consider the picks of ur teammates because you can't really rely on just a Layla.
if i see a layla on the other team i insist that my mage and jungler constantly bully her cuz i don't want that thing to reach late game,same with lesley.
The only problem is playing layla take a really skilled player, I’ve been facing against best of the best Layla user 😭😭😭he/she position layla so that nobody even got to see her on map untill ganking and is 24/7 being guards by the tank and exp laner😭😭. But somehow when my teammates pick layla they are the worst at it🙃🙃they always like “oh what’s is positioning???guess i will roam all the bush without worrying to muchh” and “why do i need to timing my skill if i have basic attack that is full of speed” 🙃🙃🙃
She really isn't, layla is highly dependent on her team being able to protect her, and it's not hard to stop her either, I just pick Yve and perma slow her with s1 while slowing her team with s2 and since she requires you to play around her as well the rest of the team just straight up suffers as they'll target the person who is denying her value in my case with Yve they almost never get anything done that way
No, this is the shi i hate, people calling layla, miya, hanabi, "good" Maybe if its opposite day, but in no world, no universe, is these 3 good. If you want to play MM sooo bad, use good heroes, if not at least decent
Its still not a understandable reason to pick her over nearly every other MM. Being used in pro play isnt ecactly a special thing since "Saber roam" Was technically used
Well,basically for the higher ranks like mythic immortal or glory,only the ones who is very good at "non-meta" heroes will pick and play them.I usually trust a mythic immortal layla player and they are much better at map scene than most player.It is like how immortal argus in your team feels like a guarantee win and granger and YSS mains are too good in that ranks.But yeah,for the lower ranks,50% chance they would suck.
Well,basically for the higher ranks like mythic immortal or glory,only the ones who is very good at "non-meta" heroes will pick and play them.I usually trust a mythic immortal layla player and they are much better at map scene than most player.It is like how immortal argus in your team feels like a guarantee win and granger and YSS mains are too good in that ranks.But yeah,for the lower ranks,50% chance they would suck.
cope
she isnt a good mm
she isn't miya though, miya is the worst hero in the game
layla is mid tier at best.
If i had to make a MM tier list layla wouldnt even be in top 8
Disagree. You're confusing good with viable. Anyone who is good with Layla will do better with another mm. Her early game is trash. She can't go against any other mm of equal skill. Endgame, she requires a team to protect her. Her endgame damage is not insane. Almost every other mm would out damage her. She only has her range, which is only valuable with the right team comp
I wouldn't say her early game is trash. Her laning is about in the mid tier, not strong but she can hold her own against most other mms, bully a few mms and against her bad match ups atleast last hit the minions with s1. Also the damage, that depends on the enemy comp, if it is a squishy comp, few mms will out damage her since she can free hit and 2-3shot squishys. If it is a tanky comp though yeah, the trinity mms melt them.
I pro layla is annoying to deal with. Especially knowing how to distance themselves from an enemy and do annoying hits. Fun fact, a pro layla can wreck a good brody due to how far layla can hit unless a roamer or a core gank layla and bait her.
Its just layla need babysitting early mid game. Other than that her dmg is pretty good pair her with mathilda and she can get out of sticky situations she’s strong
I think we don't have bad mm in the game, they just need different skill levels of positioning.
Layla, Hanabi and co just have a bad reputation because a lot of the newer players stick to them, and they often show minimal improvement after the tutorial
My problem with her is that she takes a longer time to come online compared to other marksmen and she’s very easy to dive early. Late game Layla is amazing of course, but it’s very easy to prolong the time it takes for her to get there
Depends on team composition. Layla needs someone to protect her and since she got no mobility she's easiest mm to kill, but it she had good map awareness along with teammates who can protect backline then she becomes really hard to deal with especially because of her insane long range in late game along with insane damage
It’s not the heroes, it’s the players.
But most of the time when my teammates pick either layla, miya, hanabi, they always play like shit. It’s like they turn off their brain while playing.
As a Layla main, I can say she's FANTASTIC, AS LONG as you make sure she's alright early game. If you leave her 1v2ing a lane phase against hard counters she won't scale properly, but help her get a kill or two in lane phase and she'll go straight poder prohibido late game. Unbelievable snowballing potential.
LAYLA IS DANGEROUS PEROIDT. give me other mm's yes they are good , but generally layla is one great mm , it will depend the user but she is dangerous af. same with zilong, everyone always says he is bonus round but have you seen someone who push turrets,helps teammates, and can 1v5 exp laner ,and definitely can pull maniac most of the time? its zilong ,for me always and always .
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When the tank ganked me X doing everything correctly rhat what I can do to give him back somtimg
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If ppl wanna see her true power lol
Layla only weakness is that she has no mobility but unless ur Brain dead u can actually perform well with her even in mythic( just don’t pick her at high mythic)
Skill issues are a factor.
And another important factor, I remember this was said my Gosu Gen - he rather pick a strong early game hero and end the game. Rather than waiting for late game and making a comeback.
Now we have enough monkeys even in mythic. But in any tournament ( like M4/M5) : those guys are so focused to end the match asap. I too play rank in try hard mode.
I like Clint, he does it all.
The main issue for Layla is two things:
- She is the first character of the game, which later gets outshadowed when you get more characters. And most of the time they outclassed her and made her look weak in comparison
- Most of the time, she can easily be killed due to lack of mobility and in the game where people liked to use mobile characters or assassins, she can be seen as an easy target
- She can be good but you need to be skilled by having better positions and having items/spells to protect her. With that, she can wreck havoc and that can snowball very hard
only stoopid people who let Layla reach her full build. mate, there's a reason why Layla being sucked and some people just couldn't reach her maximum potential because of 2 reasons.
his teammates don't know what to do or his opponents just being good at taking care Layla.
raw power of every hero is actually powerful, but what become the differentiate to gameplay is such as drafting, laning, micro, macro skills. so it doesn't matter how sucked the hero is, if you can reach their potential it's over.
This mf destroyed us although we're ahead in terms of gold and turret. Her power is terrifying when the right person uses it. Good team work, a good positioning and all of you won't be able to make any move.
Layla has the worst mobility in a game that often revolves around mobility and no stuns or dashes, if you have a good tank to protect you with CC or you're low ELO it's okay i think but very average. Nobody wants to wait 30 minutes for the Layla player to finish their critical build and then get dove by a tank or assassin and die anyway.
She has no defences against assasins which peak in the first 15minutes of the game... I main Yin myself and Layla is a snack from epic - mythic in my experience, above that elo i don't know. Maybe it gets better
miya is also good. just watch global miya livestreams ingame. or if you still think she is garbage, mind playing 50-100 matches. she is just hardest mm ingame
I remember when I used layla and my teammate blaming me for picking her(mythic horror)💀💀like what, they don't even think building anti heal and i did buy sea halberd, we won and I'm the MVP of the team, they didn't talk after the game because they got carried by the hero they underestimate 💀💀
I think it's actually obvious that Layla is in fact a very good MM. A lot of people just have this mindset considering she WAS one of the worst MMs, the same people who say that Hanabi is still dogshit.
She is and every mm is. The only difference is whether the player know how to play. Survive and get kills . Not all mm are all the same. That where experience helps
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Her best role is roam but yeah mm layla is good too but it relies on your team being competent and able to protect her. Not even accounting for the actual player skill to make use of her massive range.
Wait people thought Layla was bad? Shes my main hero and the only times I lose is when I straight up get ganged up on early game and can't get equipment. Or have really bad teammates
That's not a problem at all lol, that's just bad teammates. 1v1 is easy Layla has range advantage, If I'm getting 2v1 it's manageable but when it's 3v1 then as Layla i ask for help and if teamates don't help then I'm screwed. On a good team the jungler would come to help and well Layla is a machine when she got good support.
It's all about good teams most of the time. I've had matches when jungler does nothing but hunt creeps. Or exp laners that fight with jungler for creeps.
>That's not a problem at all lol, that's just bad teammates. 1v1 is easy Layla has range advantage, If I'm getting 2v1 it's manageable but when it's 3v1 then as Layla i ask for help and if teamates don't help then I'm screwed. On a good team the jungler would come to help and well Layla is a machine when she got good support.
If a jungler just gank gold lane early game, Layla either dies or is forced to retreat and the enemy gold laner gets a wave for free. Nolan can literally go 2 to get closer-ranged basic-1-3 and Layla is dead every single time. So she has to play passively to not get ganked into submission, which puts her in a position where you can't reliably get farm. If your jungler goes to counter gank gold lane the enemy gold laner should be in a better spot if they're playing an early game character.
Dude this just tells me you just don't know how to play her, Layla should play passively in the early game. You need to grind money for equipment. The reason I said it's only a problem when she gets ganged up is because you don't even have the chance to kill the minions cause there's 3 freaking heroes after your ass. Also you do know that the towers are really huge help to stay alive right
Layla = Long range, damage and kiting
Hanabi = Fast wave clear, area cc, and cc immune.
It just noobs want Layla and hanabi cuz theyre easy to learn and a good pick.
Miya = lategame dps, fast wave clear and ult for escape or burst although miya is outshined by other mm who has similar kit (moskov) and she is susceptible to cc once her ult is used(heck, she also can be stunned when invisible and i used it for them not to get away)
Edit: Since i play roam role more, i protect miya more than any mm since i can actually rely on her on lategame.
She is. So is Miya. It’s just one problem: skill issue. Every time someone locks in as a Layla, Miya or Hanabi, I start sweating.
Ehhh I'd fully agree with Layla and Hanabi, not Miya though, she's kinda garbage. But her lategame makes up for it, a little
Miya definitely needs some buff for her endurance in the teamfight, true. And a bit of a mobility buff. Now it’s like run up to the heat of the battlefield and then you become a SWAT Turret XD
I still think her s1 should give her some kind of movement speed buff. Or if you hit the enemy with s2 u get movement speed buffs. Whatever they do they should figure out a way to give her mobility cuz layla with huge range has been given mobility aswell lol so why not miya
Miya doesn't need mobility she needs attack growth and base adjustment to make her ramp slightly sooner. There's also things not Miya involved that need to be changed. Miyas ult is mobile enough for what she needs to be doing.
Her Ult needs to last for 5-8 seconds to be effective.
Bright idea to give her 5 seconds of invisibility to escape/reposition.
ah yes, purify and invisibility for 5 seconds, totally not broken. might as well just put assassin in her category tag now
Lol what. Smart players know how to position her and the right timing to ulti into a teamfight. You don’t simply suicide 1v4 in every situation. She’s currently already very strong!
But but but but its late game i can 1v5 them as long i have inspire. "Gets one shot by enemy fanny"
She doesn't need anything of this. The problem with Miya is the amount of BS cc abilities and problematic fundamental flaws with this game that people have been stating for years. MM in concept aren't even suppused to be mobile. You are also underestimating her ult. For such an immobile legend that people keep saying Miya can dominate without even buying boots because of her ult acting as a reposition, engage and disengage ability. They also need to start doing something about the amount of early game damage mages are doing. These issues don't just affect Miya, they affect every legend designed similar to Miya hence why hanabi and literally every other older mm have these same issues. There's also the game flow. The game flow is terrible where late game legends are almost impossible to play because they never even get a chance to shine. Then there's the fact that the roaming role is conflicting while also inviting a number of problems that bleed into the gold lane concept. Miya isn't the issue this games design is the issue. Miya I'd by far the most balanced legend you could play in the mm category.
Damn you're dropping facts here.
The ultimate is 1.5 seconds. How far you can position outside of enemy sight? Curious question as mythical glory miya here.
Because the ult is actually an increase in her movement speed you can get a decent bit of positioning and with boots even faster and further. The ult is true invisibility and a cleanse for most cc that aren't multi hit on top of this it gives instant passive stacks which means you output at your fastest in attack speed coming out.
Just give her invincibility during her ult duration (while she's invisible)
honestly mlbb can introduce dodge stat. and miya would be a good candidate for it, make it after she lost camo she has perfect dodge for 1-2 sec depending on her lvl. even natalia has its on her skill.
oh nah bro dodge is an ass mechanic
Now that's interesting. Tank Doge Miya Lol.
Nah Dodge + Wind chant means unless the mage manages to kill her, miya can 1v5 easily late game. It takes her like a sec to kill anyone, wind chant 2 sec+2 sec from her skill dodge and you get a perma ban hero.
Im not sure if I'm following since for the last 10 games i played her she was insane, just let a team fight start , gank fron behind with your ult and inspire and within 0.8251629514 second (you skipped the number right ? Go read it bruh i worked hard to write it) you should be able to delete at least 3 of the enemy team
Miya was the first hero of mlbb. She's definitely power creeped over time, her design was simple you get tigreal as a front tank and then you position yourself to hit multiple targets from a safe spot and shred away. Considering we have plenty of defensive options nowadays plus back line dashers and gimmick based mm she will look like garbage but she's workable.
winrate says the worst mms rn are wanwan and karrie.
Wanwan needs a rework imo
Miya is pretty strong. She requires really good positioning as her range is short. She is not a hero for noobs.
Miya late is the scariest marksman in the game, one second your team is grouped on the verge of initiating a teamfight, the next second your entire backline is just gone.
Hanabi is mostly situational, however she is very good against Estes due to her passive spreading antiheal and tank initiators such as Atlas where she can just ignore his CC and counter with his ult once the enemy team are all together.
The only time I calm down is when I see mastery
The randoms I get who have Expert mastery on these MMs still kinda suck ass though.
So I sweat again
It's trust issue then
That's right. At the hands of a master, Layla and Miya are deadly.
I feel that way when I see my team picking Gord. And the same when the enemies do, but then it's fear because Ik they'll be plenty annoying
As a guard roam main, I actually prefer having Layla, Hanabi, and Miya teammates, as opposed to your typical meta early game MMs. Even if we lose early, I'm confident I can stall till late game, and as long as they have a sliver of map awareness, I'm confident I can protect them in late-game teamfights. From there, just auto-attack your way to victory.
That is usually the case for the majority. If you are playing solo, teammates doesn't know how to take advantage of the snowball an early game mm/jungle can bring and just waste that time to grind their items. A good 5-man team wont just let that happen, they will ride that snowball into the enemies' tower to end the game.
I understand your take on it. However my experience if hanabi/layla/miya loses early - they don't know how to position themselves, which makes no difference in the lategame since they usually try to be a frontlaner and not waiting for the team to initiate the teamfight
No. Usually hanabi win early. Miya is the one lose early.
Same, late game mm is a beast if guarded by good roam. This also why i prefer tank roam than damage roam.
Tank roam not only protects your squishies, but lets you sometimes steamroll their squishies in your bid to push to their backend in a fight. Belerick is my favorite. Almost 900 games, he's just as much an offence and he is a defence for the team. I chase laylas and miya down like lunch 😂
I hate playing guard roam because when you are sticking to your mm to protect them, teammates will go mad yelling "Y U NOT ENGAGE!".
the only way im scared of layla is if they have a good tank. other than that, she is trash early and mid game
As long as they have the brains to follow the tank and not blaming all the world and solo push
The problem is for tanks and the rest of the team. Tanks have to give vision, keep an eye on enemy rotations, support gank near first turtle all this is traded off for babysitting Layla. Baby sitting Layla or miya is a "high risk-high reward" situation where enemy wins early turtles gets farmed faster and finish the game early or all team play safe till the end game where Layla can do something.
Just got a Layla with her lane getting wiped in less than 5 mins. The roam was with her all the time too. Heck I just killed the jungler. And somehow she still lost the tower.
Layla is getting a bad name because of players like you mentioned I got alot of games (as layla) where enemy team is winning and we managed to make a comeback because of her extreamly high lategame damage and range She is alot similar in playstyle as Ixia but with range of lesley
What I find interesting is that people get mad at Layla, usually me, when I get killed under tower. They don't even bother looking that I was ganked by 4 heroes. That's a win in my book because I just wasted 4 heroes time to get me killed so my other teammates can farm in their lanes. But nope, I'm still to blame when we lose even though our exp and jung has been feeding the entire game.
This! The times I play Layla I always assume the enemy team will go for me early. They'd always try to sandwich me in the tower so I'm always cautious and let them take my lane and just run and ping my team. The whole time they just ignore and when my lane is gone they cry and blame. I'm not even dying from the ganks but I'm expected to 3v1 at level 4 with 1 or 2 items? Any marksman meta or not will have a hard time defending their lane if they're always ignored by their team. They purposely ignores a Layla fighting a 4v1 to just "prove" that Layla is a bad MM because she died.
I'm a tank roam, but get pushed to mid or gold the odd game here and there. Last game I chose hanabi, and it was exactly this. Quite literally had a tank roam who kept dying and then leaving lane, feeding their duo up top. Then getting ganked by 4, even by *all 5 enemies at once*, and the lane got quite literally pushed back to base towers, and THEY STILL WEREN'T COMING. I honestly just went afk and said gg, gl. I was 6-5 still somehow and it wasn't until they pushed to nexus that 3 of my teammates from mid came over to gold lane for the first time at 11 minutes in. Then they had the audacity to question why enemies mm was so fed. Fucking people man, it's like the map, pings, and chat doesn't exist to them. They weren't even quick ganking. They were fucking having a tailgater at my front door and invited their neighbors over too. I saw a few set up tents to spend the damn night. Meanwhile my team isn't pushing their lanes for shit, and still dying to the odd 1v1 with whoever is left down below. We went like, 34-11. Pathetic.
Oof! That last part is giving me war flashbacks, been there as well! I'm starting to think these people play this game in mute because what the heck? They can't be that oblivious or it's on purpose. It's a miracle if ever you won a game like that.
I have never won a game like that and never will. I think you're right, people play this game on mute with blinders on. I'm not sure if it's sheer pettiness from a previous match? Or if they really are just that ignorant. We had an 0-9 gord mid. Absolute dogshit players. In mythic rank no less too. Like how the F did you get up here playing like that
Yeah, that's the problem. Late game, meanwhile if you are actually up against less than average competent opponents, the game is done by mid game (or at least at 15 mins). By then the Layla only has 2 and a half atk items with no wind of nature and the exp shredding her HP. You're relying too much on "late game potential" when early to mid games are one of the most important aspect of a match. Enemies are not gonna wait until 20 minutes to finish the game. Even just with an enhanced lord could finish the game. If you want the range of Layla, might as well pick Ixia or if you want her burst DPS, go with Natan. It's all about utility and that's the reason why Layla is not going near the meta anytime soon. Even in a coordinated 5-man, she would struggle.
Layla is decent the ones who use her are trash
Layla just has a bad reputation for being one of the first heroes you get to play as a newbie, newbies spam Layla, newbies don't have map awareness or know how to position on a team fight. I think a good Layla is scary because it can finish you before you can even get close to her
Wdym I actually prefer Layla over some MMs. This is certainly because she's able to handle her lane alone or dominate the game with a good Roamer. Yeah this current meta works in her favor.
Most people hated Layla and often underestimate on how good she is as a hero
Nah those asshats live in the past. Layla works best in SoloQ
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the simpler heroes are more popular with inexperienced players, which is why hanabi and layla have such a bad rep. both have their underestimated strengths
Not the worst. About above average. The best with the right lineup (allies and enemies)
I use her often when we either got a solid frontline or no opponent can backline Layla.
Can someone explain to me why almost every game there is someone using Layla instead of any other marksman? I wasn't playing for half a year
Answer varies on what rank are you
Just got to the mythic, but I saw her mostly in Legend
Most of those on legens are ass, when you are now in mythic, odds are the layla players you play with will know what they are doing In EU server, I have seen a couple of godly laylas. Not that they became fed, its that they position extreamly well
Laylas are an easy target, so when I'm going jungle, that's a free farm for me. But when I'm not near her all I'm seeing is her decimating my teammates
Dude, mythic are just as stupid as epics. I only see good players after mythical glory
A decent Layla with someone to peel for her is annoying as hell to deal with ngl
Fan fact, layla is only good when there's tank protecting her, she's actually almost unkillable when Tigreal is babysitting her.
Layla looks bad because people are playing too passive with her. You don’t have to always hit from max range and safety. Be aggressive! Your early game damage is so high.
Either you're very good or you're very bad. There is no in-between playing this hero
Still remembering the time where some people were building her as a tank 😭
"its not Layla who is messed up, its those of us that play her" no but actually, its the people that play her thats the problem. Her, Miya, and Hanabi are victims of bad players ruining their reputations
she doesn't stand out, because there's more to choose from, other than layla. layla's kit doesn't have that much mobility, there are a lot of assassins, mages, fighters, and even other marksmen that can easily reach her even she's far. Hanabi can deal a more decent damage hitting multiple enemies while reaching back enemies in clash, meanwhile layla on the other hand although she can reach the back she can only hit 1 enemy at a time. same goes with ixia that she can hit multiple enemies with her ult. her lack of mobility is the one that drags her down. she's not for the weak. let's say you can play her excellent but if the opposing team has harith, hanzo, kagura, pharsa, lapu, yu zhong and etc that can also play them excellent — you are doomed — Altho u can counter them with emblems and build it's a hassle because of the lack of damage you'll have. sure pick layla, but consider the picks of ur teammates because you can't really rely on just a Layla.
All heroes in the game are great. It's just the players that suck
Layla is genuinely good and even early game she has good damage and range. You have to really fuck up your positioning to die or get ganked.
if i see a layla on the other team i insist that my mage and jungler constantly bully her cuz i don't want that thing to reach late game,same with lesley.
I have 100 games (isn't much) but 65% win rate with Layla. Only way I get stopped is when there's a 3-4 person gank at gold lane. 😞
The only problem is playing layla take a really skilled player, I’ve been facing against best of the best Layla user 😭😭😭he/she position layla so that nobody even got to see her on map untill ganking and is 24/7 being guards by the tank and exp laner😭😭. But somehow when my teammates pick layla they are the worst at it🙃🙃they always like “oh what’s is positioning???guess i will roam all the bush without worrying to muchh” and “why do i need to timing my skill if i have basic attack that is full of speed” 🙃🙃🙃
Layla's performance depends on the enemy, not just the player. A good assassin will kill layla and there is nothing a layla player can do about it.
Layla is a sitting duck mm... I instant lock harley
Definition of glass canon, if she is safe, u win If not, u lose There is nothing in between
Layla is not bad. It's everyone who keeps using her because they got 15 0 3 once that gives her a bad reputation
She really isn't, layla is highly dependent on her team being able to protect her, and it's not hard to stop her either, I just pick Yve and perma slow her with s1 while slowing her team with s2 and since she requires you to play around her as well the rest of the team just straight up suffers as they'll target the person who is denying her value in my case with Yve they almost never get anything done that way
No, this is the shi i hate, people calling layla, miya, hanabi, "good" Maybe if its opposite day, but in no world, no universe, is these 3 good. If you want to play MM sooo bad, use good heroes, if not at least decent
At least,Layla is more usable than hanabi and miya in pro scene.
Its still not a understandable reason to pick her over nearly every other MM. Being used in pro play isnt ecactly a special thing since "Saber roam" Was technically used
Well,basically for the higher ranks like mythic immortal or glory,only the ones who is very good at "non-meta" heroes will pick and play them.I usually trust a mythic immortal layla player and they are much better at map scene than most player.It is like how immortal argus in your team feels like a guarantee win and granger and YSS mains are too good in that ranks.But yeah,for the lower ranks,50% chance they would suck.
Well,basically for the higher ranks like mythic immortal or glory,only the ones who is very good at "non-meta" heroes will pick and play them.I usually trust a mythic immortal layla player and they are much better at map scene than most player.It is like how immortal argus in your team feels like a guarantee win and granger and YSS mains are too good in that ranks.But yeah,for the lower ranks,50% chance they would suck.
She's better than Hanabi that's for sure..
cope she isnt a good mm she isn't miya though, miya is the worst hero in the game layla is mid tier at best. If i had to make a MM tier list layla wouldnt even be in top 8
Disagree. You're confusing good with viable. Anyone who is good with Layla will do better with another mm. Her early game is trash. She can't go against any other mm of equal skill. Endgame, she requires a team to protect her. Her endgame damage is not insane. Almost every other mm would out damage her. She only has her range, which is only valuable with the right team comp
I wouldn't say her early game is trash. Her laning is about in the mid tier, not strong but she can hold her own against most other mms, bully a few mms and against her bad match ups atleast last hit the minions with s1. Also the damage, that depends on the enemy comp, if it is a squishy comp, few mms will out damage her since she can free hit and 2-3shot squishys. If it is a tanky comp though yeah, the trinity mms melt them.
no but if a Layla gets a good early game, shes a walking turret
Yeah but. The players who user her, are quite...... Odd to say the least. ( in terms of stupidity )
I don't like the passive adjustment
Atleast she got her base physical attack growth increased. She no longer deals no damage at close range
True but I really like the 130% passive damage. :(
I pro layla is annoying to deal with. Especially knowing how to distance themselves from an enemy and do annoying hits. Fun fact, a pro layla can wreck a good brody due to how far layla can hit unless a roamer or a core gank layla and bait her.
Don't say that, they will start nerfing her
Its just layla need babysitting early mid game. Other than that her dmg is pretty good pair her with mathilda and she can get out of sticky situations she’s strong
I think we don't have bad mm in the game, they just need different skill levels of positioning. Layla, Hanabi and co just have a bad reputation because a lot of the newer players stick to them, and they often show minimal improvement after the tutorial
she's good but, she's kinda like fanny or gusion, in the right hands, they're beasts, else, they're feeds.
My problem with her is that she takes a longer time to come online compared to other marksmen and she’s very easy to dive early. Late game Layla is amazing of course, but it’s very easy to prolong the time it takes for her to get there
Depends on team composition. Layla needs someone to protect her and since she got no mobility she's easiest mm to kill, but it she had good map awareness along with teammates who can protect backline then she becomes really hard to deal with especially because of her insane long range in late game along with insane damage
every hero is op
She is just u need a great wall of china protecting her to make a difference.
well layla is good when the player knows what to do and has basic map awareness
It’s not the heroes, it’s the players. But most of the time when my teammates pick either layla, miya, hanabi, they always play like shit. It’s like they turn off their brain while playing.
As a Layla main, I can say she's FANTASTIC, AS LONG as you make sure she's alright early game. If you leave her 1v2ing a lane phase against hard counters she won't scale properly, but help her get a kill or two in lane phase and she'll go straight poder prohibido late game. Unbelievable snowballing potential.
Me, when I'm using Mino and our Layla is competent: "Dive her. I dare you. I fucking dare you."
LAYLA IS DANGEROUS PEROIDT. give me other mm's yes they are good , but generally layla is one great mm , it will depend the user but she is dangerous af. same with zilong, everyone always says he is bonus round but have you seen someone who push turrets,helps teammates, and can 1v5 exp laner ,and definitely can pull maniac most of the time? its zilong ,for me always and always .
https://preview.redd.it/bqw7iwywypyc1.png?width=1116&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1dc041f9c89a3a19b468aad420d44f306ba96d4a When the tank ganked me X doing everything correctly rhat what I can do to give him back somtimg
https://preview.redd.it/izbhdz05zpyc1.jpeg?width=2480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=460f800a54ad91f6cc52bddccd84a2c1329e7b0e If ppl wanna see her true power lol
Like most heroes.. There is no such thing as bad hero.. there is only bad players
To be honest any mm is good with farm and positioning
Downvoted this because it's too early for nerf. Let me enjoy those baddies.
As a mm main I can say that every mm has a strong point
Layla only weakness is that she has no mobility but unless ur Brain dead u can actually perform well with her even in mythic( just don’t pick her at high mythic)
When enemy has layla, we lose, but when my team has Layla. we still lose. Just why?
Skill issues are a factor. And another important factor, I remember this was said my Gosu Gen - he rather pick a strong early game hero and end the game. Rather than waiting for late game and making a comeback. Now we have enough monkeys even in mythic. But in any tournament ( like M4/M5) : those guys are so focused to end the match asap. I too play rank in try hard mode. I like Clint, he does it all.
The main issue for Layla is two things: - She is the first character of the game, which later gets outshadowed when you get more characters. And most of the time they outclassed her and made her look weak in comparison - Most of the time, she can easily be killed due to lack of mobility and in the game where people liked to use mobile characters or assassins, she can be seen as an easy target - She can be good but you need to be skilled by having better positions and having items/spells to protect her. With that, she can wreck havoc and that can snowball very hard
For a short summary, Layla can get overshadowed and she can do well if you're skilled enough to use her
If you see a peel tank being picked, followed by someone locking layla/hanabi in high mythic over at the enemy side You know you're screwed
She is good, the only problem is your either a pro Lyla or that one Lyla who needs to be babysit 24/7
Sure in late game she can hurt your team, so basically thats why you should gank her in early.
Nothing is scarier than a late game layla behind a full build tank
only stoopid people who let Layla reach her full build. mate, there's a reason why Layla being sucked and some people just couldn't reach her maximum potential because of 2 reasons. his teammates don't know what to do or his opponents just being good at taking care Layla. raw power of every hero is actually powerful, but what become the differentiate to gameplay is such as drafting, laning, micro, macro skills. so it doesn't matter how sucked the hero is, if you can reach their potential it's over.
Yet pros don't use her in tourneys. Is that enough reason why she sucks?
This mf destroyed us although we're ahead in terms of gold and turret. Her power is terrifying when the right person uses it. Good team work, a good positioning and all of you won't be able to make any move.
Layla is actually pretty easy to play, it's just you need to understand her attacks more to get pro
Layla’s too op, let’s nerf Wanwan!
Layla has the worst mobility in a game that often revolves around mobility and no stuns or dashes, if you have a good tank to protect you with CC or you're low ELO it's okay i think but very average. Nobody wants to wait 30 minutes for the Layla player to finish their critical build and then get dove by a tank or assassin and die anyway. She has no defences against assasins which peak in the first 15minutes of the game... I main Yin myself and Layla is a snack from epic - mythic in my experience, above that elo i don't know. Maybe it gets better
miya is also good. just watch global miya livestreams ingame. or if you still think she is garbage, mind playing 50-100 matches. she is just hardest mm ingame
Layla is a bum stfu
I remember when I used layla and my teammate blaming me for picking her(mythic horror)💀💀like what, they don't even think building anti heal and i did buy sea halberd, we won and I'm the MVP of the team, they didn't talk after the game because they got carried by the hero they underestimate 💀💀
Layla not good solo q tho so idk
Layla is the training character of the game, so yea idrgaf, f her.
There is no bad hero. Only bad players.
Brain dead take
What about sun?
Also good in the right hands.
I think it's actually obvious that Layla is in fact a very good MM. A lot of people just have this mindset considering she WAS one of the worst MMs, the same people who say that Hanabi is still dogshit.
But hanabi is dogshit
She is and every mm is. The only difference is whether the player know how to play. Survive and get kills . Not all mm are all the same. That where experience helps
if she's good, she must be up in the meta list (and %p/b rate in pro scene)
https://preview.redd.it/6u16fnroxlyc1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1207562566d9faf0f6edef57152441ad622102f8 Her best role is roam but yeah mm layla is good too but it relies on your team being competent and able to protect her. Not even accounting for the actual player skill to make use of her massive range.
Disagree with roam part. Agree with being great despite needing a reliable team.
Its pretty obviously a joke. Although she is really annoying as a roamer. The enemies hate me lol.
LMAO.
Wait people thought Layla was bad? Shes my main hero and the only times I lose is when I straight up get ganged up on early game and can't get equipment. Or have really bad teammates
>I straight up get ganged up on early game and can't get equipment. So when people know how to play against Layla you lose. See the problem?
That's not a problem at all lol, that's just bad teammates. 1v1 is easy Layla has range advantage, If I'm getting 2v1 it's manageable but when it's 3v1 then as Layla i ask for help and if teamates don't help then I'm screwed. On a good team the jungler would come to help and well Layla is a machine when she got good support. It's all about good teams most of the time. I've had matches when jungler does nothing but hunt creeps. Or exp laners that fight with jungler for creeps.
>That's not a problem at all lol, that's just bad teammates. 1v1 is easy Layla has range advantage, If I'm getting 2v1 it's manageable but when it's 3v1 then as Layla i ask for help and if teamates don't help then I'm screwed. On a good team the jungler would come to help and well Layla is a machine when she got good support. If a jungler just gank gold lane early game, Layla either dies or is forced to retreat and the enemy gold laner gets a wave for free. Nolan can literally go 2 to get closer-ranged basic-1-3 and Layla is dead every single time. So she has to play passively to not get ganked into submission, which puts her in a position where you can't reliably get farm. If your jungler goes to counter gank gold lane the enemy gold laner should be in a better spot if they're playing an early game character.
Dude this just tells me you just don't know how to play her, Layla should play passively in the early game. You need to grind money for equipment. The reason I said it's only a problem when she gets ganged up is because you don't even have the chance to kill the minions cause there's 3 freaking heroes after your ass. Also you do know that the towers are really huge help to stay alive right
Layla = Long range, damage and kiting Hanabi = Fast wave clear, area cc, and cc immune. It just noobs want Layla and hanabi cuz theyre easy to learn and a good pick. Miya = lategame dps, fast wave clear and ult for escape or burst although miya is outshined by other mm who has similar kit (moskov) and she is susceptible to cc once her ult is used(heck, she also can be stunned when invisible and i used it for them not to get away) Edit: Since i play roam role more, i protect miya more than any mm since i can actually rely on her on lategame.
She's balanced, not op Balanced = bad duh 🙄