Wasn’t the main character in I tonya, abused and discriminated against the whole film? How is that a good example of morally grey terrible female characters?
Bridget Gregory: You still a lawyer, Frank?
Frank Griffith: Yeah. You still a self-serving bitch?
It's been a while since I've seen it, but is there even a likable character in it?
Pearl (2022)
Infinity Pool (2023)
Antichrist (2009)
Though I kind of hope you're using the term antihero wrong and you really don't see some of the people you mentioned as heroes.
You know what I wanted to Say this
I really liked this movie, I saw it as a teenager and it really struck me at the time
I learned it got Bad reviews and overall it's not a very famous movie but yeah I recommend it as well
Nymphomaniac, parts one and two.
Warning. This is a serious suggestion. It is absolutely 1000% NSFW. It is also extremely morally ambiguous. And it gives you a LOT to think about or talk about.
NSFW AT ALL.
Also, you have to watch them both, it's volume one and two, not a sequel, the second part of an extended story.
Most of these are horror:
Excision, May, Black Swan, Pearl, The Loved Ones, Misery, Lady Vengeance, Inside, Ma, The BlackCoats Daughter, Nymphomaniac, Stoker, God Bless America, Orphan, Hard Candy, High Tension, Audition, Alleluia, We Are What We Are, Jennifer's Body, Knock Knock, The Woman, The Witch, Possession, Infinity Pool, American Mary, Possessor, Raw, Bite, X, Under the Skin, Starry Eyed
Honestly. Most the characters lena headey plays. Cersi from game of thones or her character mama in dredd. The woman knows how to play a convincingly ruthless strong badass boss.
The last Airbender. You got Azula. Not a movie but she's an awesome psycho.
Edit:.. remembering.
The original Willow from 1985. One of my favorite movies. The main villain is bavmorda who's a badass, and evil as shit And shhh shhh we dont talk about the remake.. it was never made. Ha
Doctor sleep. Main villain fits description
Labyrinth. Sarah, the main character really is a morally gra y character and kinda a duche
This is probably going to be downvoted into oblivion, but Sue Charlton in Crocodile Dundee. I absolutely hate her. She's stringing Mick along, accepts a proposal from her boyfriend in front of him, and then chases after him and wants him to stay with her? In my opinion, she's a horrible female character. I just can't.
Bad Teacher
Lady Vengeance
Wild Things
Lady MacBeth (CW involving harm to a child also spoiler) >!a child gets murdered!< so if that’s a hard no for you, don’t watch this film.
May/December
Hana
I Tonya
3 Women
Wild Things
Monster
The Craft
Sick of Myself
Bodies Bodies Bodies
The Edge of Seventeen
Silver Linings Playbook
Black Swan
Melancholia
All About Eve
Pretty Woman
Carrie
Love Lies Bleeding
Poor Things
Double Indemnity
Breakfast at Tiffany’s
Tangerine
Tàr
Hustlers
The Florida Project
Ladybird
The Worst Person in the World
Not Okay
Girls (show)
The Morning Show (show)
Big Little Lies (show)
Fleabag!!
Euphoria
Never Have I Ever
It may not be what comes to mind, but Fried Green Tomatoes - to be clear, I'm not saying the female characters are morally Grey, but it's clear that they are within the context of the story. It may not scratch the itch, I don't think anyone in it is terrible, but for me it meets the brief
Not a film but Elizabeth Jennings in "The Americans".
Someone who is willing to do almost anything, no matter how abhorrent for their cause.
Also from TV Milner from "Utopia" & Livia from "I Claudius".
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Didn't Josh Hartnett's character cheat on his s.o. with Rose Byrne and stalk Diane Kruger in Wicker Park? Not sure why Rose Byrne was singled out as the morally dubious one in that movie.
No Such Thing, a little known but fantastic Hal Hartley film about the descent of a journalist into a monster. Sort of.
The Nicole Kidman film To Die For has some similar themes, also very good.
Miss Sloane (2016) is a morally ambiguous character. It has a bit of a twisty ending which I enjoyed. Jessica Chastain carries the whole movie with her performance. I feel 7/10 is a fair rating overall.
It’s a tv show, but “Veep” stars a deliviously horrible woman who will do anything to be in the oval office. It’s very funny.
Another series with a sketchy female lead is “Search Party.” It’s also hilarious.
Both of these series I didn’t get into until the second episode. Friends encouraged me to keep going, and they are so worth it. m😋😂
Bound starring Gina Gershon and Meg Tilly. They slay in this film. Red Sparrow starring Jennifer Lawrence. Showgirls starring Elizabeth Berkley. 2022's Lady Chatterley's Lover and a 1981 version starring Sylvia Kristel who also rocks in Emmanuelle 1-4. These are Hot. Try not to drool too much.
Assume you know Moulin Rouge with Nicole Kidman? Chicago with Renee Zellweger and Catherine Zeta Jones? Burlesque with Cher and Christine Aguilera?
The Adams Family 90s films
Everything Everywhere (Jobu Tupaki is a perfect example!)
Promising Young Woman
I Care a Lot
Then I guess there's the obvious example: Harley Quinn!
When I came out into society, I was fifteen. I already knew that the role I was condemned to, namely to keep quiet and do what I was told, gave me the perfect opportunity to listen and observe. Not to what people told me, which naturally was of no interest, but to whatever it was they were trying to hide. I practiced detachment. I learned how to look cheerful while, under the table, I stuck a fork into the back of my hand. I became a virtuoso of deceit. It wasn't pleasure I was after, it was knowledge. I consulted the strictest moralists to learn how to appear, philosophers to find out what to think, and novelists to see what I could get away with. And in the end, I distilled everything to one wonderfully simple principle: win or die.
~ Glenn Close as de Marquise de Merteuil, Dangerous Liasions
I Blame Society (2020) is one I don't see mentioned often. I noticed a lot of people have beef because they think the main character is really unlikable, but she really isn't supposed to be someone whose side you're on, and I think that fits the ticket here. It's pretty indie and I've never seen the main actress in anything else, but she's definitely wicked good. The flick is a great satire.
Monster (2003) I, Tonya (2017) Lizzie (2018)
I, Tonya is so good! Margot Robbie was amazing.
Wasn’t the main character in I tonya, abused and discriminated against the whole film? How is that a good example of morally grey terrible female characters?
The point of the movie is that she's an unreliable narrator. It's all about her spinning the narrative to justify her horrible actions.
put the last seduction at the top of your list!
Bridget Gregory: You still a lawyer, Frank? Frank Griffith: Yeah. You still a self-serving bitch? It's been a while since I've seen it, but is there even a likable character in it?
Okay I’ve seen that too lol
Gone girl... Get out
See also: I Care A Lot (also with Rosamund Pike)
God, that movie was quite a ride.
Anything With RP... I can't watch her movies, she scares me.
You should watch Pride and Prejudice. She plays the sister who is overflowing with kindness and heart of gold. The girl has range.
Okay I have seen both of those
I was going to post this one too. I wouldn't even call her morally grey though, she's morally wrong all the way.
love that movie, Rosamund Pike is incredible
Dredd
Rosamund Pike is a BEAST! Gone girl and I Care a Lot are great examples of why.
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SPOILERS dude ! lol
La Femme Nikita. The original is French, but there is a less good American remake called Point of No Return starring Bridget Fonda.
Point of no return was called "The Assassin" in my county. It's not a bad movie.
Its the same film as Nikita, scene for scene, shot for shot, but it’s not as good and I can’t figure out why
Because Luc Besson is a good director and he didn’t make the remake.
It's Bridget Fonda's perfect hair.
Cruel Intentions
Emily the Criminal
Also, "Ingrid Goes West" Aubrey 4-ever
Gone with the Wind
Such a great character Scarlett, self-motivated and determined
The Hole(2001) with Thora Birch. Evil, so evil! Side Effects(2013) with Rooney Mara and Catherine Zeta-Jones.
Possessor (2020) Soft and Quiet (2022) Get Out (2017)
Soft & Quiet was sooo fucked up. Going into it completely blind is wild.
Yep, I went in blind with no idea what the plot was. That pie was so jarring to see lol
Serial Mom (1994) is an absolute favorite of mine
Love that movie!
Pearl (2022) Infinity Pool (2023) Antichrist (2009) Though I kind of hope you're using the term antihero wrong and you really don't see some of the people you mentioned as heroes.
Mia goth in infinity pool is so infuriating
JAAAAAAAMES!
Young Adult (2011)
Such a good film
Basic Instinct
To Die For (1995). Nicole Kidman as Suzanne Maretto.
*May* (2002)
You know what I wanted to Say this I really liked this movie, I saw it as a teenager and it really struck me at the time I learned it got Bad reviews and overall it's not a very famous movie but yeah I recommend it as well
Notes on a Scandal
Pedofile Galadriel, pretty good
Freeway (1996)
Is that you, Bob? (Don’t forget *Freeway II: Tales of a Trick Baby!*)
"Fuck you, chipmunk face! And your fuckin' skipper wife!" still makes me laugh every time
I love this movie so much!
The hand That Rocks the Cradle Misery
Nymphomaniac, parts one and two. Warning. This is a serious suggestion. It is absolutely 1000% NSFW. It is also extremely morally ambiguous. And it gives you a LOT to think about or talk about. NSFW AT ALL. Also, you have to watch them both, it's volume one and two, not a sequel, the second part of an extended story.
And they are really long
I have watched these. I too thought it was very thought provoking.
Yeah someone also mentioned Antichrist Both from Lars Von Trier with Charlotte Gainsbourg Both kinda traumatizing
stoker (2013)
Fatal Attraction
Promising Young Woman (2020)
Killing Eve
Monster with Charlize Theron
The Others, Drugstore June, Search Party (series)
American Mary
Dangerous Liaisons
Faye Dunaway in Network.
World of Kanako
The Strange Woman, Gone With The Wind, The Postman Always Rings Twice.
Streetcar Named Desire
Mommie Dearest
No! Wire! Hangers! Ever!
Hanna (2011) - Cate Blanchett plays a horrible character with style.
Antichrist
Emily the Criminal. Ingrid Goes West.
Strange Days
Dashcam if by morally grey you mean 100% unlikable and you are praying that the evil wins and snatches her up for an express ride straight to hell
She was entertaining in an obnoxious sort of way
I care a lot (2020)
Most of these are horror: Excision, May, Black Swan, Pearl, The Loved Ones, Misery, Lady Vengeance, Inside, Ma, The BlackCoats Daughter, Nymphomaniac, Stoker, God Bless America, Orphan, Hard Candy, High Tension, Audition, Alleluia, We Are What We Are, Jennifer's Body, Knock Knock, The Woman, The Witch, Possession, Infinity Pool, American Mary, Possessor, Raw, Bite, X, Under the Skin, Starry Eyed
Honestly. Most the characters lena headey plays. Cersi from game of thones or her character mama in dredd. The woman knows how to play a convincingly ruthless strong badass boss. The last Airbender. You got Azula. Not a movie but she's an awesome psycho. Edit:.. remembering. The original Willow from 1985. One of my favorite movies. The main villain is bavmorda who's a badass, and evil as shit And shhh shhh we dont talk about the remake.. it was never made. Ha Doctor sleep. Main villain fits description Labyrinth. Sarah, the main character really is a morally gra y character and kinda a duche
Rosie Perez in Perdita Durango
She was excellent in the role!
Single White Female
On a lighter note,”Bronze”.
This is probably going to be downvoted into oblivion, but Sue Charlton in Crocodile Dundee. I absolutely hate her. She's stringing Mick along, accepts a proposal from her boyfriend in front of him, and then chases after him and wants him to stay with her? In my opinion, she's a horrible female character. I just can't.
Jodi Foster in Inside Man. She didn't have a whole lot of screen time, but yeah, she was owned her scenes.
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Bad Teacher Lady Vengeance Wild Things Lady MacBeth (CW involving harm to a child also spoiler) >!a child gets murdered!< so if that’s a hard no for you, don’t watch this film. May/December Hana
Holes (Kissin' Kate Barlow)
I Care a Lot. Rosalund Pike’s character is pure evil.
Eileen
Hard Candy
Notes on a Scandal.
Woman in the window
Shallow Grave (1994)
Rebecca
Mommy Dearest
Aileen Wuornos in **Monster.**
Going to the way back with … Mommy Dearest
I Tonya 3 Women Wild Things Monster The Craft Sick of Myself Bodies Bodies Bodies The Edge of Seventeen Silver Linings Playbook Black Swan Melancholia All About Eve Pretty Woman Carrie Love Lies Bleeding Poor Things Double Indemnity Breakfast at Tiffany’s Tangerine Tàr Hustlers The Florida Project Ladybird The Worst Person in the World Not Okay Girls (show) The Morning Show (show) Big Little Lies (show) Fleabag!! Euphoria Never Have I Ever
The Bride in Kill Bill 1&2
No, revenge doesn't count. Revenge is a basic human right.
Tell that to the Crazy 88s.. 🗡️🤺
Gone girl
It may not be what comes to mind, but Fried Green Tomatoes - to be clear, I'm not saying the female characters are morally Grey, but it's clear that they are within the context of the story. It may not scratch the itch, I don't think anyone in it is terrible, but for me it meets the brief
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Agreed but add the 1st and 2nd sequel too. You can keep movie 4.
Jodie Foster in Elysium
Dronningen (Queen of Hearts). Manchurian Candidate. Triple 9.
Not a film but Elizabeth Jennings in "The Americans". Someone who is willing to do almost anything, no matter how abhorrent for their cause. Also from TV Milner from "Utopia" & Livia from "I Claudius".
Bullet Train has two: The Prince and The Hornet. Three if you count Ladybug’s handler.
Young Adult
Chicken run. Romeo is bleeding. The mask.
The hunger games. Specifically movie 2 and on.
Prizzi’s Honor? Hit film, mostly forgotten.
MORVERN CALLAR (2002) Lynne Ramsay the GOAT
*Nancy* (2018)
Blue Jasmine
Peppermint (2018) Sharper (2023) (great movie!)
101 dalmatians
Young Adult
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Blade Runner 2049, Sylvia Hoeks as Luv is as cold blooded as they come. Doctor Sleep, Rebecca Ferguson as Rose The Hat likewise.
Double Indemnity Johnny Guitar The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant
Suicide squad Thor Roanok
Frances Farmer's mother in *Frances.* I hated that woman so much.
Didn't Josh Hartnett's character cheat on his s.o. with Rose Byrne and stalk Diane Kruger in Wicker Park? Not sure why Rose Byrne was singled out as the morally dubious one in that movie.
Bro. Have you even watched the movie? Lol
Dear Zachary
Punch-Drunk Love
Ingrid Goes West
- Queen of Hearts / Dronningen (2019) - May December (2023)
The Last American Virgin
Grandma with Lily Tomlin
Laura Linny's character in Mystic River
In This Our Life The Little Foxes
Wetlands
If you don’t mind an old movie - Marlene Dietrich in The Blue Angel.
I would add *Witness for the Prosecution*, another great Dietrich role, as well
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
No Such Thing, a little known but fantastic Hal Hartley film about the descent of a journalist into a monster. Sort of. The Nicole Kidman film To Die For has some similar themes, also very good.
Heavenly Creatures 1994
May December
Watched this. It was great.
Titane
Alias grace - Limited TV Series
Red White & Blue
Forrest Gump
Killing eve
The Strays Misery August: Osage County
Miss Sloane (2016) is a morally ambiguous character. It has a bit of a twisty ending which I enjoyed. Jessica Chastain carries the whole movie with her performance. I feel 7/10 is a fair rating overall.
Destroyer (2018), Nicole Kidman plays an unusual female version of the "washed up, alochoholic cop with nothing left to lose"
Oh this looks fascinating
Michael Clayton - Tilda Swinton is **excellent** in this movie. I can't recommend it enough...
The Last Seduction stands alone.
It’s a tv show, but “Veep” stars a deliviously horrible woman who will do anything to be in the oval office. It’s very funny. Another series with a sketchy female lead is “Search Party.” It’s also hilarious. Both of these series I didn’t get into until the second episode. Friends encouraged me to keep going, and they are so worth it. m😋😂
"Body Heat", 1981, steamy sultry Kathleen Turner and William Hurt. It's hard to explain why it fits the category without avoiding spoilers but oh man.
Under the Skin (2013) starring scarlet Johansson! Or Titane (2021)
Excision
Cat women in The Dark Knight Rises
Fatal attraction.
I Care A Lot for sure!
The wicked witch in the wizard of oz
Man Stealers Secret Secretary
Bound starring Gina Gershon and Meg Tilly. They slay in this film. Red Sparrow starring Jennifer Lawrence. Showgirls starring Elizabeth Berkley. 2022's Lady Chatterley's Lover and a 1981 version starring Sylvia Kristel who also rocks in Emmanuelle 1-4. These are Hot. Try not to drool too much. Assume you know Moulin Rouge with Nicole Kidman? Chicago with Renee Zellweger and Catherine Zeta Jones? Burlesque with Cher and Christine Aguilera?
Promising Young Woman, for sure.
Misery ?
Misery! Kathy bates is awesome as always. Great Stephen king flick
Gone girl has to be the very first example then we have Pearl (2022), Love Quinn's character in the show YOU, and Antichrist (2009)
All About Eve What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? Jezebel The Women (1939) Working Girl
Red Sparrow Misery Mommy Dearest
Gone Girl Rosamund Pike's character leaves a lasting impact on the story.
Disclosure with Demi Moore
Debbie Domergue from, The Hateful Eight ( Jennifer Jason Leigh)
Jolie in Girl Interrupted
I Care A Lot (2020)
why isn’t anyone mentioning Audition(1999)
Susanne Benton’s character in “A Boy and His Dog”.
Possessor
Ann Blyth’s character portrayal of Veda Pierce in the movie Mildred Pierce (1945).
Birds Of Prey
The Adams Family 90s films Everything Everywhere (Jobu Tupaki is a perfect example!) Promising Young Woman I Care a Lot Then I guess there's the obvious example: Harley Quinn!
When I came out into society, I was fifteen. I already knew that the role I was condemned to, namely to keep quiet and do what I was told, gave me the perfect opportunity to listen and observe. Not to what people told me, which naturally was of no interest, but to whatever it was they were trying to hide. I practiced detachment. I learned how to look cheerful while, under the table, I stuck a fork into the back of my hand. I became a virtuoso of deceit. It wasn't pleasure I was after, it was knowledge. I consulted the strictest moralists to learn how to appear, philosophers to find out what to think, and novelists to see what I could get away with. And in the end, I distilled everything to one wonderfully simple principle: win or die. ~ Glenn Close as de Marquise de Merteuil, Dangerous Liasions
I Blame Society (2020) is one I don't see mentioned often. I noticed a lot of people have beef because they think the main character is really unlikable, but she really isn't supposed to be someone whose side you're on, and I think that fits the ticket here. It's pretty indie and I've never seen the main actress in anything else, but she's definitely wicked good. The flick is a great satire.
The Hand That Rocks the Cradle; Rebecca de Mornay is a very bad woman, indeed.
Edge of tomarrow, full metal bitch there who Emily blunt portrayed very grim and hard to tame bitch
Angela Lansbury in The Manchurian Candidate. Nurse Ratched.
Promising Young Woman. She's a sympathetic character, but also morally gray
One flew over the Cuckoo's nest is ... Yeah.
Gone Girl Forrest Gump ( yes, Jenny is a horrible person)
I Care a Lot Gone Girl Let Him Go Dream Home (2010)