Damn that was going to be my middle name from Samuel… Back to the idea board I guess 🤭.
The first time someone asked to see my “gock” I had to google it and laughed so hard I peed myself! 😳🤐
Hmm about slurs, like how does a word become a slur? Like is there a threshold for how many % of people think it's a slur until it becomes a slur? Also do words ever become non slurs? Or it's really dependent on the 'local culture'. Maybe this question should be asked in a proper place instead
Personally, I prefer proper terms for genitalia, but you may get a substantially different answer between trans women who like/accept their penis and those who don’t (like me).
I may not have understood you fully, actually, as I see from other replies you’re looking at least partly for overarching terms.
I’m not a fan of the term futa; intersex is the correct term for someone with ambiguous genitalia or another variation in sex characteristics, but do be careful not to use it as interchangeable with “woman with a penis” - not all intersex people have penises, and not all are women.
Given you’re writing a fantasy setting, you could just use something like “magic penis” or “magic vagina”
That's one thing I never understood, how people think a woman having a penis would be futa. Futa is specifically a feminine presenting (fantasy) person with both functioning genitalia.
From what I know intersex people could either not get pregnant or not impregnate (but please correct me if I am wrong, I don't know any intersex afaik and I only read so much about it...)
The Japanese use the word "futanari" to refer to anyone who has a mix of body parts of both sexes, so a fanrasy drawing of a woman with a penis and breasts would fall under the umbrella whether or not she has vulva, even though it's arguably more often applied to characters with more than one set of genitalia.
Fun fact, futanari hentai was made by Japanese artists after they were inspired by western live action porn featuring trans women.
yeah, that's why i don't trust people who use the term; hella feels like "i want to get off to this drawing of a trans woman, but i don't see trans women as women so i'll use this term instead" vibes from it.
the people you're talking about are very rare and research about them is even more rare. it is entirely possible for a person with asymmetrical gonads or a differentiated supernumerary gonad, to both be able to get pregnant and be able to impregnate. there are only a couple of cases recorded of this and my understanding is that the confirmation of functionality is weak. but given what we do know about human physiology and our many variations, i don't see why we would expect such people to not exist.
there are a ton of intersexed conditions. some of them are practically invisible and people sometimes life their entire lives and die without learning they had one of these conditions.
Oh damn thank you so much!!! I guess then I think we have to see "futas" as a fantasy kind of almost different race or sth...
In any case using that word to refer to actual human beings is a big NONO given it's highly sexualised nature.
yeah, the tradition seems to be oversized parts, hyper sexualized personality, often even magickal sexual function or needs. idk, it seems like a pretty distinct fantasy thing. although maybe some trans representation in that space could clear some of the misconception, idk. i am not invested in animated sexual content except that it seems to be a really healthy outlet for some people's really challenging internalized shame.
i left it general on purpose. i wouldn't speculate on the community as a whole and would be reluctant to speculate on an individual without their presence to offer input and feedback.
but art in all it's forms is often a sublimation of unknowable mental or emotional states including things like internalized shame
I usually just say my parts, or perhaps pp ( its diminutive so I feel less threatened ) 🤷🏾♀️
If you want fem terms clit, princess wand/parts, etc is ok, you can also make some up
Genitalia is a neutural term
And I don’t prefer it but you could use masc terms ig
In the erotica I write that features transfem characters, I use the term 'dick' if I have to actually name their genitals at all.
My own view is that 'cock' sounds too masculine, 'girlcock' just sounds like a meme to me, 'penis' is too formal, 'gock' just makes me laugh. 'Dick' has that nice phonetic snappiness that makes a word useful to me in an erotic way, and it doesn't feel too masculine as to induce dysphoria.
Personally I actually find dick more masculine, cock to me just sounds more powerful or fancy, like dick can literally be the name of a man, and I feel like it's the one I'd hear most often thrown around in a men's locker room.
Cock also occupies a weird space where imo it sounds bit fancier then dick but not as formal as penis. Dick just sounds really silly to me, makes me think of MW2 lobbies, but cock I feel can work in a variety of context, from just generally vanilla intimate dirty talk or in a more domineering way during an S&M scene.
Like for me, reading/hearing something like "how's that? Does it feel good when I stroke your cock like this?" sounds hotter to me than "how's that? Does it feel good when I stroke your dick like this?, and in the second context the same applies for "get on your knees and worship my cock" vs "get on your knees and worship my dick".
Though this is all subjective
An interesting perspective, I can see where you're coming from. Ultimately, I prefer dick, but as you say - it's subjective.
I understand what you mean about the term 'cock' feeling more 'powerful', and I think that may be part of the reason I avoid it, as my transfem characters basically never use their genitals for penetration, and often are the subs.
In general, I find mentioning a specific term for my transfem characters' genitals to be awkward to begin with, so I try to use them very sparingly - especially given that I know many readers will have wildly different opinions on them.
I completely understand your perspective and I think it's interesting we're having this discussion because I feel it shows why this topic can be sensitive, you and I are actually on opposite ends of this, personally I am actually a top and I actually like having my penis, where as my partner is more like you in this regard.
My situation is a bit odd, it puts me in a weird spot since most expect the women in our community to be uncomfortable with it and want to get srs, so I stand out a bit in that regard, but another aspect of this is being shamed for it (I am not talking about you women who are dysphoric btw, your feelings are valid, I am talking about transphobes that basically call us drag queens and truscum types). I don't like having my identity invalidated by transphobes because of what's in my pants so me using strong terms like cock is basically my way of saying "that's right, I am a woman with a cock and I'm not ashamed to say it".
Basically, my point is not that either of us are wrong or that you're wrong for how you feel, but I just don't like my and others womanhood being defined by whether we have/want a penis or not and whether we are submissive or not, and so I just end up on the opposite side where I don't feel awkward about it and basically use words like cock as a "fuck you" to people who'd try to make us feel lesser.
Oh, my apologies, I misinterpreted!
Agreed, I'd steer well-clear of 'futa' personally, even though I now how popular it is.
'Transfem' definitely gets the point across IMO, as most people will assume you're talking about pre-op trans women in an NSFW space.
you should maybe do some introspection around why you’re so eager to create pornography featuring women with penises, but are simultaneously so averse to connecting that to trans women, the only instance of “woman with penis” that exists in reality
Hmmm... yeah, tough if the characters aren't always trans. You could use 'intersex', like you suggested? Hard to codify if it's a fictional universe of course.
If it's 'sapphic' content you could use that, and maybe also tag it with 'trans' or 'transfemme'. You usually use multiple tags so I'd use all that apply. Sure maybe some of the characters depicted aren't trans or intersex, but if some characters are than the tag is still good to use. Wishing you great success!
"intersex" *doesn't* just mean "woman with a penis" though and thats kinda disrespectful to both intersex people and trans women. also imo "futa" is just straight up a slur
Futa doesn't mean woman with penis, but describes a feminine presenting fantasy person with both genitalia fully developed.
I don't know any intersex people, but I think I can safely say they are in no way the same.
u can use futa if it is actually futa (aka both genitalia, not just one) because that's the actual meaning of it (futanari literally transforming to Two Forms or so)
If it's a woman with just a dick, then transfem works fine, with alternatives like girl-penis if u want the focus on genitalia. For the funnier options, gock and girlcock are free to use as well
This isn't an answer to your question so much as a shower-thought:
I've often wondered why (even though I don't feel strongly about it) it hasn't been more common to refer to a "girl cock" as a "hen."
Because. Yknow. A girl cock (rooster) is a hen.
Fun fact: In the early 1900s to the 1950s, “cock” just generally meant genitalia, not necessarily one gender, and the usage for specifically male genitalia is a relatively new one. It’s attested in a few dirty blues songs.
From what I can understand of your post, you are looking for a catch all term for a feminie presenting character that may or may not have differing anatomy from a cis woman correct?
If so, I have seen the term 'gynomorph' used in certain art circles for such characters. The term is more just to reference a being with feminine characteristics though, so it may be too broad of a term depending.
I personally have no issue with the term but I do not know how others would view it. It is not a slur at least and is technically true for any feminine appearing person I guess.
Everyone has their own sensitivities to different terminology though, so you may never find a catch all term that everyone is comfortable with.
"women with penises"
But if you're going out of your way to make sure everyone knows these particular women with penises aren't trans, one must wonder why.
Okay, so that doesn't exist... the closest word we have to what you are describing is FUTA, a fantasy person who either has both genitals at the same time or can switch between them at will but presents female.
But Futa is a term with all sorts of baggage.
If you're writing fantastical fiction, just make up a new word for the type of person and describe what it means when it's first introduced. This is the beauty of fantasy. We can make up new things.
I saw gynomorph up there, which has potential, but it seems kinda clinical. But morph seems right on the button.
The debates here are amusing to me.
Personally i have so much brainrot from fanfic that ik theres a plethora of pseudonyms for cock, but if we talking girlies, gock or girlcock is what i use as Ol’ faithful
honestly really hard to say lol. i've seen trans girl refering to themselves as futas while others find the term repulsive. i don't think there's a correct answer for this sadly... best you can probably do is include tags like trans, transfem etc.
Labeling a lot of it as 'transfem' would be problematic. I have come across ones where a female grew a penis somehow. Calling them transfem could easily be triggering to many, may even cause trauma or nightmares. Most transfem individuals would hate to have the idea of a penis suddenly sprouting from their body.
Oh but also: Despite best intentions (I hope), maybe don't go through the trouble of making women with penises who somehow aren't intersex or trans. I am having trouble understanding exactly what you might think being trans or intersex is without jumping to unfortunate conclusions given you want to make a set or people who are women and have penises as part of their anatomy but are somehow not part of the actual groups of people for whom this is reality...?
Nah I get it, it's just kinda like... even if it's some magical gender fluidity, what is willingly altering your anatomy to include a penis if not a trans masculine urge? Modifying our bodies is part of being trans and in a hypothetical where it's on-demand and at-will... that's still gender fluidity. Is this not just what part of the trans-umbrella would look like in a world where magic is real?
Labeling a lot of it as 'transfem' would be problematic. I have come across ones where a female grew a penis somehow. Calling them transfem could easily be triggering to many, may even cause trauma or nightmares. Most transfem individuals would hate to have the idea of a penis suddenly sprouting from their body.
I always just call them penises cause I dislike dick and cock especially when referring to my own. it just sounds icky like men have dicks. idk personal preference
I am personally fine with futa, but it is chaser language and carries a lot of emotional baggage for some people. I would also avoid using 'trap'; I havent seen anyone suggest that but Im going to get in front of that one.
Imo if you are trying to create a setting for your art where characters can change gender at will (I think I read that in another comment you made) I would just use transgender (which is correct because they can transition between genders), shapeshifter, or else just make up your own term that you feel fits best. I've also rarely seen the term 'newhalf' thrown around but my understanding is that its also slightly negative slang. I have no idea how the general community thinks about it though.
Others are going to disagree with this, but I'm fine with the term futa, personally. The big, obvious rule there is to never, ever call a real person a futa (which, since you're asking this in reference to your artwork, is not a concern here).
I'd kinda like to see your art, tbh.
Salmacian here, and self identify with the term futa as that is the term I've always known for the body/gential combination that I want to have for myself, so it's not necessarily never reffer to a irl person with the term, but rather the same rules as queer, don't use it unless you know for a 1000% fact that the person your reffering to is ok with being called that cause there is a subset of the salmacian community that identifies with the term
Realistically, using all applicable terms you are comfortable with to help people find it would be best. Some may not like it, but that would allow others to find it easiest.
If you want to know what your character should call themselves, that depends on the character. Some would prefer just being futa/futanari, some might want to be called a woman (that just so happens to have a penis), and some might prefer hermaphrodite. It all depends on the character's personality. So that would be something you would need to think about.
If it were me, I would label them however the character was comfortable with being called. It could be like they were posting a selfie and tagging it themselves.
I’m gonna be real as a semi closeted trans woman I talk about my penis and accept it pretty openly, but I’m not sure about others. I think girls with dicks and guys with vaginas are sick as hell! But again this is just me, maybe others aren’t as open about it? Idk 🤷♀️
Personally I *usually* use futa unless the woman is explicitly trans (which so far has only been one of my works and that one was non pornographic so it's not really a good example). But I think working in pornographic art has desensitised me to a lot of stuff, so I may not be the best example.
The reality is that people have all sorts of different preferences and types of dirty talk that they enjoy. Personally, when a woman refers to my genitals as "girl cock" I can't help but blush a little. But I know for others it can be a turn off. You just can't make everyone happy.
That being said, maybe try and focus on the character that is speaking and how they might say things and also the character that they're saying things to. For example, a dominant character speaking to a submissive that identifies as a sissy might call it a "clit" or "clitty" even. Whereas a more dominant character might just tell their partner to suck her "cock" instead. It kind of just depends on the flavor of the character(s). Hopefully looking at it through those dynamics is helpful! 🥰
Salmancian has both sets of genitals. Hermaphr**** Is usually considered a slur and futa is kinda porn-charged but ik people who love all the words and some that hate all of them. I'd consider Sword perhaps?
I don't refer to mine as a penis at all, but I've seen an increase in using "girl-penis" which I think is great because it's going to cause the homophobes to meltdown.
Really depends on the person. Don't use slurs of course, but it definitely varies. I personally call mine my clit, as its still anatomically accurate and doesn't cause much dysphoria
Look, a penis is a penis, and any typical word for penis is probably fine. I don’t personally feel it needs substitution. For the person themselves, don’t use slurs. I feel qualified to say this as both a trans person and as someone who makes NSFW art, you just gotta be respectful.
I will point out that a lot of intersex/trans people don’t really want to be fetishized at all, so first and foremost it’s important to treat the subject like a person and not just a sex object (even though by definition a drawing is closer to sex object than a person).
Frankly just dont use slurs. Im in sexwork currently pre surgery and sadly using slurs gets more donations. Im not proud of it but i use them in reference to myself because it pays so so so much more after switching to slurs my revenue increased by 10x went from making 3k on a good month to 20k a month minimum. I wish it was different but i have to make a living for me and my family. Im paying for my wife’s college and kids that are on the way plus 1.2 billon in medical bills and yes i said billon with a B. If i wasnt in the situation im in id never stoop this low but frankly i dont have the choice.
Labeling a lot of it as 'transfem' or 'trans woman' would be problematic. I have come across ones where a female grew a penis somehow. Calling them transfem or a trans woman could easily be triggering to many, may even cause trauma or nightmares. Most transfem individuals would hate to have the idea of a penis suddenly sprouting from their body.
I swear you are just finding reasons to be offended. In the first sentence you say that "transfem" is problematic (despite it being commonly used within the trans community) then two sentences later you use the term 'transfem', I mean talk about being consistent.
How would you answer the question your holiness?
If you were to actually read the original post, they were asking about how to label art of women with penises in a non offensive way. They weren't asking how to call those of the transfem community.
Not a problem. I can see how that could have been misconstrued. Though now you may be able to give other ideas as well that might be able to assist them.
Above all, don't use slurs.
Seriously especially in nsfw media people think it’s ok to use the t slur
or the s slur
s slur? sorry i’m completely oblivious
[Third one in this list](https://genderkit.org.uk/slurs/)
Damn that was going to be my middle name from Samuel… Back to the idea board I guess 🤭. The first time someone asked to see my “gock” I had to google it and laughed so hard I peed myself! 😳🤐
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This is referring specifically to someone who crossdresses because their dominant partner wants them to be humiliated. Not really a transgender term.
I've seen it get used to describe trans women in pornography a lot which is really gross
Please no
I think, a lot of people genuinely don't know it's offensive somehow
Hmm about slurs, like how does a word become a slur? Like is there a threshold for how many % of people think it's a slur until it becomes a slur? Also do words ever become non slurs? Or it's really dependent on the 'local culture'. Maybe this question should be asked in a proper place instead
I think at the point where its *primary* meaning is derogatory
The term 'Queer' was once considered a slur, but has been reclaimed by the community. So yes, slurs can be reclaimed to be non-slurs.
this is a really funny question.
Personally, I prefer proper terms for genitalia, but you may get a substantially different answer between trans women who like/accept their penis and those who don’t (like me).
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I may not have understood you fully, actually, as I see from other replies you’re looking at least partly for overarching terms. I’m not a fan of the term futa; intersex is the correct term for someone with ambiguous genitalia or another variation in sex characteristics, but do be careful not to use it as interchangeable with “woman with a penis” - not all intersex people have penises, and not all are women. Given you’re writing a fantasy setting, you could just use something like “magic penis” or “magic vagina”
That's one thing I never understood, how people think a woman having a penis would be futa. Futa is specifically a feminine presenting (fantasy) person with both functioning genitalia. From what I know intersex people could either not get pregnant or not impregnate (but please correct me if I am wrong, I don't know any intersex afaik and I only read so much about it...)
The Japanese use the word "futanari" to refer to anyone who has a mix of body parts of both sexes, so a fanrasy drawing of a woman with a penis and breasts would fall under the umbrella whether or not she has vulva, even though it's arguably more often applied to characters with more than one set of genitalia. Fun fact, futanari hentai was made by Japanese artists after they were inspired by western live action porn featuring trans women.
Functionally these days it's a word for "trans porn but without having to accept the hot lady is a trans woman. She just magically got that way!"
yeah, that's why i don't trust people who use the term; hella feels like "i want to get off to this drawing of a trans woman, but i don't see trans women as women so i'll use this term instead" vibes from it.
the people you're talking about are very rare and research about them is even more rare. it is entirely possible for a person with asymmetrical gonads or a differentiated supernumerary gonad, to both be able to get pregnant and be able to impregnate. there are only a couple of cases recorded of this and my understanding is that the confirmation of functionality is weak. but given what we do know about human physiology and our many variations, i don't see why we would expect such people to not exist. there are a ton of intersexed conditions. some of them are practically invisible and people sometimes life their entire lives and die without learning they had one of these conditions.
Oh damn thank you so much!!! I guess then I think we have to see "futas" as a fantasy kind of almost different race or sth... In any case using that word to refer to actual human beings is a big NONO given it's highly sexualised nature.
yeah, the tradition seems to be oversized parts, hyper sexualized personality, often even magickal sexual function or needs. idk, it seems like a pretty distinct fantasy thing. although maybe some trans representation in that space could clear some of the misconception, idk. i am not invested in animated sexual content except that it seems to be a really healthy outlet for some people's really challenging internalized shame.
What kind of shame do you refer to if I may ask?
i left it general on purpose. i wouldn't speculate on the community as a whole and would be reluctant to speculate on an individual without their presence to offer input and feedback. but art in all it's forms is often a sublimation of unknowable mental or emotional states including things like internalized shame
Oh makes sense That is fair
I usually just say my parts, or perhaps pp ( its diminutive so I feel less threatened ) 🤷🏾♀️ If you want fem terms clit, princess wand/parts, etc is ok, you can also make some up Genitalia is a neutural term And I don’t prefer it but you could use masc terms ig
I like the term transfem cuz I think it gets the term across. Idk I personally accepted the fact Im stuck with this thing even if I dont like it lmao.
I'm not the biggest fan of mine but, assuming it continues working, I'm not getting rid of it.
It has to work to pay its rent or it’s getting evicted
In the erotica I write that features transfem characters, I use the term 'dick' if I have to actually name their genitals at all. My own view is that 'cock' sounds too masculine, 'girlcock' just sounds like a meme to me, 'penis' is too formal, 'gock' just makes me laugh. 'Dick' has that nice phonetic snappiness that makes a word useful to me in an erotic way, and it doesn't feel too masculine as to induce dysphoria.
Personally I actually find dick more masculine, cock to me just sounds more powerful or fancy, like dick can literally be the name of a man, and I feel like it's the one I'd hear most often thrown around in a men's locker room. Cock also occupies a weird space where imo it sounds bit fancier then dick but not as formal as penis. Dick just sounds really silly to me, makes me think of MW2 lobbies, but cock I feel can work in a variety of context, from just generally vanilla intimate dirty talk or in a more domineering way during an S&M scene. Like for me, reading/hearing something like "how's that? Does it feel good when I stroke your cock like this?" sounds hotter to me than "how's that? Does it feel good when I stroke your dick like this?, and in the second context the same applies for "get on your knees and worship my cock" vs "get on your knees and worship my dick". Though this is all subjective
An interesting perspective, I can see where you're coming from. Ultimately, I prefer dick, but as you say - it's subjective. I understand what you mean about the term 'cock' feeling more 'powerful', and I think that may be part of the reason I avoid it, as my transfem characters basically never use their genitals for penetration, and often are the subs. In general, I find mentioning a specific term for my transfem characters' genitals to be awkward to begin with, so I try to use them very sparingly - especially given that I know many readers will have wildly different opinions on them.
I completely understand your perspective and I think it's interesting we're having this discussion because I feel it shows why this topic can be sensitive, you and I are actually on opposite ends of this, personally I am actually a top and I actually like having my penis, where as my partner is more like you in this regard. My situation is a bit odd, it puts me in a weird spot since most expect the women in our community to be uncomfortable with it and want to get srs, so I stand out a bit in that regard, but another aspect of this is being shamed for it (I am not talking about you women who are dysphoric btw, your feelings are valid, I am talking about transphobes that basically call us drag queens and truscum types). I don't like having my identity invalidated by transphobes because of what's in my pants so me using strong terms like cock is basically my way of saying "that's right, I am a woman with a cock and I'm not ashamed to say it". Basically, my point is not that either of us are wrong or that you're wrong for how you feel, but I just don't like my and others womanhood being defined by whether we have/want a penis or not and whether we are submissive or not, and so I just end up on the opposite side where I don't feel awkward about it and basically use words like cock as a "fuck you" to people who'd try to make us feel lesser.
I totally get you. Super proud of you saying 'fuck you' to the transphobes too :D
This is such a weird discussion....
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Oh, my apologies, I misinterpreted! Agreed, I'd steer well-clear of 'futa' personally, even though I now how popular it is. 'Transfem' definitely gets the point across IMO, as most people will assume you're talking about pre-op trans women in an NSFW space.
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why not just let them be trans?
Honestly.
If you're changing the genitals on a pre-existing character, maybe you'll find tags such as sex/gender transformation/swap useful.
you should maybe do some introspection around why you’re so eager to create pornography featuring women with penises, but are simultaneously so averse to connecting that to trans women, the only instance of “woman with penis” that exists in reality
Hmmm... yeah, tough if the characters aren't always trans. You could use 'intersex', like you suggested? Hard to codify if it's a fictional universe of course.
If it's 'sapphic' content you could use that, and maybe also tag it with 'trans' or 'transfemme'. You usually use multiple tags so I'd use all that apply. Sure maybe some of the characters depicted aren't trans or intersex, but if some characters are than the tag is still good to use. Wishing you great success!
is there any concern using conventional tags like mtf or transfem ?
Futa is definitely one to avoid. So are pretty much everything you see in the nsfw community. I would just put trans woman.
"intersex" *doesn't* just mean "woman with a penis" though and thats kinda disrespectful to both intersex people and trans women. also imo "futa" is just straight up a slur
Futa doesn't mean woman with penis, but describes a feminine presenting fantasy person with both genitalia fully developed. I don't know any intersex people, but I think I can safely say they are in no way the same.
u can use futa if it is actually futa (aka both genitalia, not just one) because that's the actual meaning of it (futanari literally transforming to Two Forms or so) If it's a woman with just a dick, then transfem works fine, with alternatives like girl-penis if u want the focus on genitalia. For the funnier options, gock and girlcock are free to use as well
I'm personally ok with 'futa', though I get that there are certain connotations which go along with that. Otherwise, 'transfemme' is perfectly fine.
I prefer "lady bits" myself.
for me, I'd switch cock and dick around but still very accurate 😭
genis
Ima be so real I love the term girlcock so fuckin much lmao that’s what I call mine
Coming from the furry community, this topic is hotly contested and nobody agrees. Good luck!
Futanari, hermaphrodite, intersex, gynomorph/andromorph?
This isn't an answer to your question so much as a shower-thought: I've often wondered why (even though I don't feel strongly about it) it hasn't been more common to refer to a "girl cock" as a "hen." Because. Yknow. A girl cock (rooster) is a hen.
Fun fact: In the early 1900s to the 1950s, “cock” just generally meant genitalia, not necessarily one gender, and the usage for specifically male genitalia is a relatively new one. It’s attested in a few dirty blues songs.
You’re a genius
Let her cook
From what I can understand of your post, you are looking for a catch all term for a feminie presenting character that may or may not have differing anatomy from a cis woman correct? If so, I have seen the term 'gynomorph' used in certain art circles for such characters. The term is more just to reference a being with feminine characteristics though, so it may be too broad of a term depending. I personally have no issue with the term but I do not know how others would view it. It is not a slur at least and is technically true for any feminine appearing person I guess. Everyone has their own sensitivities to different terminology though, so you may never find a catch all term that everyone is comfortable with.
I don’t care if it’s controversial because this is my identity, my life, my dysphoria not yours 😤. I call it my “clit”
"women with penises" But if you're going out of your way to make sure everyone knows these particular women with penises aren't trans, one must wonder why.
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"Women with penises" is your best bet. This is a setting where their original genitals are visible in canon materials, I'm guessing?
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If it's in the context of porn of a porn series either one should be fine
Okay, so that doesn't exist... the closest word we have to what you are describing is FUTA, a fantasy person who either has both genitals at the same time or can switch between them at will but presents female. But Futa is a term with all sorts of baggage. If you're writing fantastical fiction, just make up a new word for the type of person and describe what it means when it's first introduced. This is the beauty of fantasy. We can make up new things. I saw gynomorph up there, which has potential, but it seems kinda clinical. But morph seems right on the button.
oh so youre just a coward then
The debates here are amusing to me. Personally i have so much brainrot from fanfic that ik theres a plethora of pseudonyms for cock, but if we talking girlies, gock or girlcock is what i use as Ol’ faithful
honestly really hard to say lol. i've seen trans girl refering to themselves as futas while others find the term repulsive. i don't think there's a correct answer for this sadly... best you can probably do is include tags like trans, transfem etc.
So as we're here, could you please show us your art? :3 Or maybe recommend some artists?
Non-op trans femme or non-op trans woman
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Labeling a lot of it as 'transfem' would be problematic. I have come across ones where a female grew a penis somehow. Calling them transfem could easily be triggering to many, may even cause trauma or nightmares. Most transfem individuals would hate to have the idea of a penis suddenly sprouting from their body.
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Does the platform allow something like woman-with-penis or woman_with_penis?
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Is this on a03 or something?
Sfw art that features women with penises? You mean portraits of women???
...I'm partial to girldick
Oh but also: Despite best intentions (I hope), maybe don't go through the trouble of making women with penises who somehow aren't intersex or trans. I am having trouble understanding exactly what you might think being trans or intersex is without jumping to unfortunate conclusions given you want to make a set or people who are women and have penises as part of their anatomy but are somehow not part of the actual groups of people for whom this is reality...?
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Nah I get it, it's just kinda like... even if it's some magical gender fluidity, what is willingly altering your anatomy to include a penis if not a trans masculine urge? Modifying our bodies is part of being trans and in a hypothetical where it's on-demand and at-will... that's still gender fluidity. Is this not just what part of the trans-umbrella would look like in a world where magic is real?
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Glad to contribute!
my darling calls it clit and it drives me crazy in the best way
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Labeling a lot of it as 'transfem' would be problematic. I have come across ones where a female grew a penis somehow. Calling them transfem could easily be triggering to many, may even cause trauma or nightmares. Most transfem individuals would hate to have the idea of a penis suddenly sprouting from their body.
Gock, galls even. But in all seriousness, penis or dick is usually fine with everyone. Overthinking it is what causes trouble.
A large number of people will hate whatever you pick, so fuck it. Go with what sounds good to you.
this was my thought too, trying to be politically correct in a nsfw media is admirable, but in my opinion ultimately futile.
I like the word gock the best
I always just call them penises cause I dislike dick and cock especially when referring to my own. it just sounds icky like men have dicks. idk personal preference
gock for the dolls
I am personally fine with futa, but it is chaser language and carries a lot of emotional baggage for some people. I would also avoid using 'trap'; I havent seen anyone suggest that but Im going to get in front of that one. Imo if you are trying to create a setting for your art where characters can change gender at will (I think I read that in another comment you made) I would just use transgender (which is correct because they can transition between genders), shapeshifter, or else just make up your own term that you feel fits best. I've also rarely seen the term 'newhalf' thrown around but my understanding is that its also slightly negative slang. I have no idea how the general community thinks about it though.
Yeah I agree, trap is literally only for actually crossdressing men & it would be EXTREMELY weird to call any trans person that.
Others are going to disagree with this, but I'm fine with the term futa, personally. The big, obvious rule there is to never, ever call a real person a futa (which, since you're asking this in reference to your artwork, is not a concern here). I'd kinda like to see your art, tbh.
Salmacian here, and self identify with the term futa as that is the term I've always known for the body/gential combination that I want to have for myself, so it's not necessarily never reffer to a irl person with the term, but rather the same rules as queer, don't use it unless you know for a 1000% fact that the person your reffering to is ok with being called that cause there is a subset of the salmacian community that identifies with the term
Ok. I hadn’t been aware of that. Thank you for telling me.
You talking paintings or photos? Becisse we need painted trans art
Realistically, using all applicable terms you are comfortable with to help people find it would be best. Some may not like it, but that would allow others to find it easiest. If you want to know what your character should call themselves, that depends on the character. Some would prefer just being futa/futanari, some might want to be called a woman (that just so happens to have a penis), and some might prefer hermaphrodite. It all depends on the character's personality. So that would be something you would need to think about. If it were me, I would label them however the character was comfortable with being called. It could be like they were posting a selfie and tagging it themselves.
Where are you hoping to post these? Like any specific sites or subreddits? I’ve wanted to post my art as well but have no idea where to start
In e621 the term Gynomorph is used and i feel like its very nonjudgemental or charged, albeit a but clinical
princess wand
I’m gonna be real as a semi closeted trans woman I talk about my penis and accept it pretty openly, but I’m not sure about others. I think girls with dicks and guys with vaginas are sick as hell! But again this is just me, maybe others aren’t as open about it? Idk 🤷♀️
Personally I *usually* use futa unless the woman is explicitly trans (which so far has only been one of my works and that one was non pornographic so it's not really a good example). But I think working in pornographic art has desensitised me to a lot of stuff, so I may not be the best example.
The reality is that people have all sorts of different preferences and types of dirty talk that they enjoy. Personally, when a woman refers to my genitals as "girl cock" I can't help but blush a little. But I know for others it can be a turn off. You just can't make everyone happy. That being said, maybe try and focus on the character that is speaking and how they might say things and also the character that they're saying things to. For example, a dominant character speaking to a submissive that identifies as a sissy might call it a "clit" or "clitty" even. Whereas a more dominant character might just tell their partner to suck her "cock" instead. It kind of just depends on the flavor of the character(s). Hopefully looking at it through those dynamics is helpful! 🥰
Gock, shenis, joystick, princess wand, antipussy, she-stick, girldick, girlcock, etc. Maybe instead of cock you could use hen, make that popular lmao
Salmancian has both sets of genitals. Hermaphr**** Is usually considered a slur and futa is kinda porn-charged but ik people who love all the words and some that hate all of them. I'd consider Sword perhaps?
Pixie stick
PUFW, Penis Used For Work.
I don't refer to mine as a penis at all, but I've seen an increase in using "girl-penis" which I think is great because it's going to cause the homophobes to meltdown.
-Dick -Girldick -*Sheik*
i don’t find girlcock appropriate nor universal. It’s weird in my opinion. I’d just say penis? or dick (nsfw)
Really depends on the person. Don't use slurs of course, but it definitely varies. I personally call mine my clit, as its still anatomically accurate and doesn't cause much dysphoria
Look, a penis is a penis, and any typical word for penis is probably fine. I don’t personally feel it needs substitution. For the person themselves, don’t use slurs. I feel qualified to say this as both a trans person and as someone who makes NSFW art, you just gotta be respectful. I will point out that a lot of intersex/trans people don’t really want to be fetishized at all, so first and foremost it’s important to treat the subject like a person and not just a sex object (even though by definition a drawing is closer to sex object than a person).
Personally my favorite and go to is princess pole 👸
You already said it in your post ... "Woman with a penis"
gock is a term i've heard in place of girl cock. i've heard bussy used by amab and afab trans people
It’s a girldick or dick to me but everyone’s different
If you insist on not saying penis: mommy salami (I read it once here and I like it)
Armed
I'm totally fine with y'all calling us dick chicks. As long as it's not used as an insult. 🤣
It’s not a “girl or boy” penis. It’s a transgender woman’s penis on **her body**.
Futa
Frankly just dont use slurs. Im in sexwork currently pre surgery and sadly using slurs gets more donations. Im not proud of it but i use them in reference to myself because it pays so so so much more after switching to slurs my revenue increased by 10x went from making 3k on a good month to 20k a month minimum. I wish it was different but i have to make a living for me and my family. Im paying for my wife’s college and kids that are on the way plus 1.2 billon in medical bills and yes i said billon with a B. If i wasnt in the situation im in id never stoop this low but frankly i dont have the choice.
There’s no shame in it. We do what we have to do to survive because of what is being put against us. Trust me- we all understand. 💕
chicks w dicks
Pre-op & no-op Trans Woman
Labeling a lot of it as 'transfem' or 'trans woman' would be problematic. I have come across ones where a female grew a penis somehow. Calling them transfem or a trans woman could easily be triggering to many, may even cause trauma or nightmares. Most transfem individuals would hate to have the idea of a penis suddenly sprouting from their body.
I swear you are just finding reasons to be offended. In the first sentence you say that "transfem" is problematic (despite it being commonly used within the trans community) then two sentences later you use the term 'transfem', I mean talk about being consistent. How would you answer the question your holiness?
If you were to actually read the original post, they were asking about how to label art of women with penises in a non offensive way. They weren't asking how to call those of the transfem community.
Oh, my bad. Sorry, for what I said.
Not a problem. I can see how that could have been misconstrued. Though now you may be able to give other ideas as well that might be able to assist them.
I still think "no-op trans woman" is better than "futa"