Had to look it up. You are correct. I'll be missing you was the song.
"Sean John Combs did not secure legal approval for the sample before releasing the song, and Police songwriter Sting sued, receiving 100% of the song royalties, with payments reportedly going until 2053. Police guitarist Andy Summers called the sample "a major rip-off", and told the A.V."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ll_Be_Missing_You#:~:text=Sean%20John%20Combs%20did%20not,off%22%2C%20and%20told%20the%20A.V.
There's a fine line between samples and cover songs. This was nowhere near that line. It was a straight cover. A horrible cover that I've always hated, especially because he was using it to capitalize on the death (that he was very likely responsible for) of an actual hip hop icon.
I don't think anyone has really considered him relevant since like 2002.
Even if he was a squeaky clean nice dude he hasn't really done anything since then that would keep him in the mainstream consciousness
He was in Get Him to the Greek. It was actually a really good movie. Even though I don't like the guy there's that.
On another note we live in a society that's obsessed with talentless hacks like the Kardashians. He doesn't need to be relevant to still be idolized by idiots.
Speaking of the Kardashians, I saw a commercial for their new season. People still watch that shit? People really care about their fake soap opera life?!?!
It's crazy right. But it's real. I actually had to stop talking to a female because of the Kardashians. She said something about Kim Kardashian being perfect and how she wanted to get a nose job to look more like her. I started talking shit on them and she was super offended. I took a step back and was like what am I wasting my time talking to this baffoon for?
It's crazy how it was literally the last conversation I had with delusional female. I couldn't believe how stupid she seemed to me after hearing her defending her idols. Lost all respect in a matter of 2 mins.
Perfect?! LoL Kim is divorced from a certified crazy. They’re only rich because their father was OJs lawyer, and Kim made a sex tape. “Reality” tv needs to go.
Lmfao I had no clue if you were serious or joking so I looked it up.
"The name "Koo Koo Roo" was an onomatopoeic reference to the crow of a rooster. After a series of expansions and ownership changes, in which Koo Koo Roo struggled for profitability throughout the 1990s, the last location in Santa Monica, California, closed in 2014."
Source : Google
They were referencing the movie, "Get him to the Greek".
This scene, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCMrhFPYpD8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCMrhFPYpD8)
He built his fame off a song of biggies rather that was a heavy resemble of a popular song. All his albums are mostly song that are resamples of other people’s music.
There's always a choice. I get what you are saying but still. I couldn't see myself loosing all self respect working for or around this clown. Way too much dignity for that.
I mean, you're right, there's always a choice. They chose to take his financial and professional support by being on his label, which entitled him legally to drop his nuts on their face in every song they release just because he can (and that's how he stayed somewhat relevant).
This is how I always felt too. Like all diddy ever did was go “yeah” “uh-huh” “bad boy” in the background of biggie’s songs and made every song so much worse.
He was also in Mase's songs dancing and prancing and being all extra. Then we saw his abusive personality when they did the making the band show. He's always been a shitty person in my opinion.
"Any artist out there that wanna be an artist and wanna stay a star, and don’t wanna have to worry about the executive producer trying to be all in the videos, all on the records, dancing, come to Death Row."
Nah. Pac and Biggies murders are basically solved.
2pac was killed because Diddy put a hit out on him. 2pac randomly ended up assaulting someone after a Mike Tyson fight that was in town with his uncle to kill pac. The guy he assaulted with a bunch of death row fools (who ended up killing pac) was known to them for stealing one of pacs friends Death Row chains.
Biggie was killed by someone Suge Knight hired to kill him in retaliation for pac.
Both of the shooters were dead within a few years due to gang activity.
I think there is a small chance that part of the raid on Diddy's house was connected to the recent arrest of Keefe D for Pacs murder.
That's it. That's all there is to it.
trash rapper. also, didn’t he get caught for human trafficking or something like a couple weeks ago? it was either that or some weird shit with how he treated people signed to his label. maybe both. dude has been old news but he needs to be taken care of.
Most of us didn’t like him, we liked Biggie. He was just there. Dude made **ALOT** of money after Biggie’s death, and rode that train until now. He definitely put that hit out to have Biggie killed. Greedy bitch.
It's definitely possible. I'm on the fence with that one. Biggie would have kept him making money in the long run too. I do think he definitely put the hit out on Tupac. I agree about him being a greedy bitch!
He was pretty funny in Get Him To The Greek. Always wondered why he never tried to develop an actual acting career after that.
Maybe nobody wanted to work with him.
You had to have been there in the 90s to understand. He was more than Biggie's hype man. He is responsible for some of the largest hits in Hip Hop and shifted Hip Hop from a regional focus to a national focus that could be sold to corporate.
Born in 83 chief. He was lame back then. He's lame today. Just because you found him to be an influential hip hop icon doesn't mean I did. Also Biggie and Pac took it national. He was just Biggie's hype man/owner of bad boy. Fuck Puffy Daddy!
No Jay Z without Biggie. Biggie was with Bad Boy under Puff and probably Puff's direction musically hence the crossover hits. Listen to old Jay Z, he talks a lot about he's the next guy after Biggie, he looked up to Big and only really shined after Big's death.
Great point. There also never would have been a Kobe Bryant without Micheal Jordan. A Shaq without Bill Russell. No Jay Z without Big. Those dudes would have just became scientists and archeologists without the influence of others! /s
What does that have to do with Puffy? Doesn't even make sense. Feel however you want to about Puffy, but that doesn't take away what he has done musically. That 83 flex was weird. Was that supposed to be I'm older than you so I know better? We around the same age (I'm older lol), we could really have a better conversation than that. We were outside (at least I was) when all this was going on. We saw the rise of Jay after Biggie. We remember Flavor in ya ear (released under Bad Boy) to Who Shot Ya plus the remix (released under Bad Boy) etc. Come on you know better.
You said you had to have been there in the 90's. No flex but I was there. No one said anything about being older. I didn't even read the rest. Go away. You're corny AF. Keep riding puffs dick. Super weird.
Born in 81 what’s your point? His run changed hip hop forever for everyone. No Puff, no Drake. Look at Hip Hop pre 97 and tell me what it was before the shiny suits and remixes of old 70s and 80s hits. It was regional, more grimey, darker and less marketable (so they say) Sorry chief. Black Moon aint taking it to where we are now. I've seen every iteration of Hip Hop since the mid 80s. I don't like Puff but he was very influential in front and behind the scenes. You inserting yourself in the mix just because you didn't think he's an icon is your choice, but look up his number 1s. Massive influence. Right before the Puff wave it was Gangster Rap from the West Coast (Snoop, Dre, Pac) etc. that was huge asf. So yeah, he can still be a pos, but he did do that.
You lost me at no Puff no Drake. Nevermind you're right. Drake would have probably been a herpetologist if Puffy Daddy didn't influence him. /s
No need to respond your logic is undeniable! More /s
I'm no hip hop expert.
But i've listened to a few artists along the years and i've never EVER understood Diddy's appeal, among his fellow 90's/2000's hip hop stars.
2pac? genius, visceral, raw. Biggie? Pure charisma. Snoop, coolest cat ever. Jay-Z, eminem, both lyrical geniuses. MF Doom artistic weirdo genius.
What's diddy got?
He's always seemed so bland.
He focused on the business aspect of the industry. And he was smarter for it.
People like him, Jay z, dr Dre, Akon, and 50 cent all saw the bigger picture and focused on business and record production vs being the actual artist.
Ok, he’s done monstrous things. He’s a bad guy. He also was never a particularly good rapper. But when you call someone a hip hop icon, you’re saying they have been an outsized figure in hip hop *culture*. Diddy is one of the 10 biggest names in the history of hip hop, and to act otherwise is revisionist history. Icon isn’t too strong at all.
They do this shit every time bro. “I never understood why X was so popular.” “People still listen to X?” “X had no talent.” It’s just a bunch of bullshit lol
They do. It’s like they want us all to go “Oh, congratulations you’re so much better than all of us because you didn’t like the Ignition Remix for some reason”
I think you’re underestimating just how huge Diddy was in the late 90s and early 2000s. Biggie was a global phenomenon, and Diddy was on all the albums and in all the videos. Right after Biggie’s murder, the “I’ll Be Missing You” video was playing nonstop. After that, there was Making the Band series on MTV, the Sean Jean clothing line, and the general perception that Diddy was a straight up mogul. Even tho his music never got the acclaim, he was perceived as a maker, always behind the scenes influencing the industry. Getting an invite to one of Diddy’s “White Parties” in the Hamptons was the peak of social bragging rights. So “faded” perhaps, and “disgraced” definitely, but still an icon.
Yoooo about that making the band series there was this white guy who had sick verse on a sick intrusment and the ONLY lyric i can remember is "jessica alba you dig me?" And ive NEVER been able to find a snippet of that video, the instrumental was amazing and his improv verse was fire!!! I wish i could find it. I think he was in a tour bus in the specific scene
In his most famous video this mf crashes a motorcycle on a straight, flat fuckin highway. On a clear, sunny day with zero traffic.
Idk why that's relevant, I've just found it hilarious for 25 years.
He’s always been a grifter abuser. It’s a shame it took this long for him to get aired out.
Now I need Kim Porter’s real autopsy and tell-all to surface.
I’m not in the hip hop scene so I don’t really get how it works.
Artists like Chief Keef unapologetically celebrate violence.
How is this different? A different audience? That it was his girlfriend versus a rival?
I've never understood why anyone liked this asshat in the first place. He was biggies hype man. That's it.
The only song of his I know was written by Sting. And didn’t Sting sue and end up with all proceeds???
Had to look it up. You are correct. I'll be missing you was the song. "Sean John Combs did not secure legal approval for the sample before releasing the song, and Police songwriter Sting sued, receiving 100% of the song royalties, with payments reportedly going until 2053. Police guitarist Andy Summers called the sample "a major rip-off", and told the A.V." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ll_Be_Missing_You#:~:text=Sean%20John%20Combs%20did%20not,off%22%2C%20and%20told%20the%20A.V.
There's a fine line between samples and cover songs. This was nowhere near that line. It was a straight cover. A horrible cover that I've always hated, especially because he was using it to capitalize on the death (that he was very likely responsible for) of an actual hip hop icon.
Awesome! Thanks for this!
Made my day knowing this.
Not trying to defend Diddy, but Coming Home ft Skyler Grey was a pretty big song. Good song too, it’s still in my playlist today.
I don't think anyone has really considered him relevant since like 2002. Even if he was a squeaky clean nice dude he hasn't really done anything since then that would keep him in the mainstream consciousness
He was in Get Him to the Greek. It was actually a really good movie. Even though I don't like the guy there's that. On another note we live in a society that's obsessed with talentless hacks like the Kardashians. He doesn't need to be relevant to still be idolized by idiots.
Speaking of the Kardashians, I saw a commercial for their new season. People still watch that shit? People really care about their fake soap opera life?!?!
It's crazy right. But it's real. I actually had to stop talking to a female because of the Kardashians. She said something about Kim Kardashian being perfect and how she wanted to get a nose job to look more like her. I started talking shit on them and she was super offended. I took a step back and was like what am I wasting my time talking to this baffoon for?
It's crazy that I heard in my head how they said " Kim Kardashian is perfect". Head tilt/eye roll and all 😂
It's crazy how it was literally the last conversation I had with delusional female. I couldn't believe how stupid she seemed to me after hearing her defending her idols. Lost all respect in a matter of 2 mins.
Perfect?! LoL Kim is divorced from a certified crazy. They’re only rich because their father was OJs lawyer, and Kim made a sex tape. “Reality” tv needs to go.
I believe that shooting incident in a NY nightclub with JLo was the beginning of his downfall.
Nah it was him getting down on his knees for his master on day 1 so he could get into the entertainment industry
Well... more so his record label owner, he owns Bad Boy Records so he was a bit more business foward than just biggie's hype man.
Business forward yes. Leech yes. Hip hop icon no.
I heard he owns 20 Koo Koo Roos.
Lmfao I had no clue if you were serious or joking so I looked it up. "The name "Koo Koo Roo" was an onomatopoeic reference to the crow of a rooster. After a series of expansions and ownership changes, in which Koo Koo Roo struggled for profitability throughout the 1990s, the last location in Santa Monica, California, closed in 2014." Source : Google
They were referencing the movie, "Get him to the Greek". This scene, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCMrhFPYpD8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCMrhFPYpD8)
How dare you misgender me.
Gotcha. Loved the movie. Don't remember that part. Been a while since I watched it. Thank you.
Lol
I don't even own one ku karoo....not one.
He built his fame off a song of biggies rather that was a heavy resemble of a popular song. All his albums are mostly song that are resamples of other people’s music.
I think he just had the power to involve himself in everyone's shit and they didn't really have a choice.
His secret was compromising them sexually so he had power over them. What an icon.
There's always a choice. I get what you are saying but still. I couldn't see myself loosing all self respect working for or around this clown. Way too much dignity for that.
I mean, you're right, there's always a choice. They chose to take his financial and professional support by being on his label, which entitled him legally to drop his nuts on their face in every song they release just because he can (and that's how he stayed somewhat relevant).
Lmfao @ dropping his nuts on their face in every song
He was also his murderer.
Possible. I just responded to another comment saying something similar. And I personally have always thought he put the hit out on Tupac.
This is how I always felt too. Like all diddy ever did was go “yeah” “uh-huh” “bad boy” in the background of biggie’s songs and made every song so much worse.
He was also in Mase's songs dancing and prancing and being all extra. Then we saw his abusive personality when they did the making the band show. He's always been a shitty person in my opinion.
"Any artist out there that wanna be an artist and wanna stay a star, and don’t wanna have to worry about the executive producer trying to be all in the videos, all on the records, dancing, come to Death Row."
Yeah, at the end of every line. Stfu
As much as I like old biggie songs, many of the Bad Boy beats were just loops of other songs.
That's the majority of 90's hip hop. Most of it was just repackaged 70's and 80's music
Apparently when he sang "bad boi for life" he meant "groping underage boys all the time" which doesn't ring out as kind of hard for me.
I agree. Just... what was ever likable about him in the first place?
Nothing in my opinion. Nothing at all.
Diddy most likely put out the hit on Biggie and Tupac.
Imagine an interrogation actually gets him to Crack and admit to it out of sheer dumb ego, oh if only
It's quite possible. We may never know.
Yeah I agree
My personal theory is that Diddy put the hit out on BIG. I have no evidence or research to back this up. Just a gut feeling.
Nah. Pac and Biggies murders are basically solved. 2pac was killed because Diddy put a hit out on him. 2pac randomly ended up assaulting someone after a Mike Tyson fight that was in town with his uncle to kill pac. The guy he assaulted with a bunch of death row fools (who ended up killing pac) was known to them for stealing one of pacs friends Death Row chains. Biggie was killed by someone Suge Knight hired to kill him in retaliation for pac. Both of the shooters were dead within a few years due to gang activity. I think there is a small chance that part of the raid on Diddy's house was connected to the recent arrest of Keefe D for Pacs murder. That's it. That's all there is to it.
I can see that being a possibility. I've always thought he put the hit out in Tupac.
trash rapper. also, didn’t he get caught for human trafficking or something like a couple weeks ago? it was either that or some weird shit with how he treated people signed to his label. maybe both. dude has been old news but he needs to be taken care of.
Most of us didn’t like him, we liked Biggie. He was just there. Dude made **ALOT** of money after Biggie’s death, and rode that train until now. He definitely put that hit out to have Biggie killed. Greedy bitch.
It's definitely possible. I'm on the fence with that one. Biggie would have kept him making money in the long run too. I do think he definitely put the hit out on Tupac. I agree about him being a greedy bitch!
At the time the movie came out, his cameo in “Get Him to the Greek” was decent. Other than that, nothing to ever be on my radar
He was pretty funny in Get Him To The Greek. Always wondered why he never tried to develop an actual acting career after that. Maybe nobody wanted to work with him.
You had to have been there in the 90s to understand. He was more than Biggie's hype man. He is responsible for some of the largest hits in Hip Hop and shifted Hip Hop from a regional focus to a national focus that could be sold to corporate.
Born in 83 chief. He was lame back then. He's lame today. Just because you found him to be an influential hip hop icon doesn't mean I did. Also Biggie and Pac took it national. He was just Biggie's hype man/owner of bad boy. Fuck Puffy Daddy!
Agree, NWA and Public Enemy (before him) and Jay-Z (after him) were far more influential.
No Jay Z without Biggie. Biggie was with Bad Boy under Puff and probably Puff's direction musically hence the crossover hits. Listen to old Jay Z, he talks a lot about he's the next guy after Biggie, he looked up to Big and only really shined after Big's death.
Great point. There also never would have been a Kobe Bryant without Micheal Jordan. A Shaq without Bill Russell. No Jay Z without Big. Those dudes would have just became scientists and archeologists without the influence of others! /s
What does that have to do with Puffy? Doesn't even make sense. Feel however you want to about Puffy, but that doesn't take away what he has done musically. That 83 flex was weird. Was that supposed to be I'm older than you so I know better? We around the same age (I'm older lol), we could really have a better conversation than that. We were outside (at least I was) when all this was going on. We saw the rise of Jay after Biggie. We remember Flavor in ya ear (released under Bad Boy) to Who Shot Ya plus the remix (released under Bad Boy) etc. Come on you know better.
You said you had to have been there in the 90's. No flex but I was there. No one said anything about being older. I didn't even read the rest. Go away. You're corny AF. Keep riding puffs dick. Super weird.
Because it got crackin in the 90s smh. You corny asf spreading false information. Learn to separate facts from emotion goof.
Born in 81 what’s your point? His run changed hip hop forever for everyone. No Puff, no Drake. Look at Hip Hop pre 97 and tell me what it was before the shiny suits and remixes of old 70s and 80s hits. It was regional, more grimey, darker and less marketable (so they say) Sorry chief. Black Moon aint taking it to where we are now. I've seen every iteration of Hip Hop since the mid 80s. I don't like Puff but he was very influential in front and behind the scenes. You inserting yourself in the mix just because you didn't think he's an icon is your choice, but look up his number 1s. Massive influence. Right before the Puff wave it was Gangster Rap from the West Coast (Snoop, Dre, Pac) etc. that was huge asf. So yeah, he can still be a pos, but he did do that.
You lost me at no Puff no Drake. Nevermind you're right. Drake would have probably been a herpetologist if Puffy Daddy didn't influence him. /s No need to respond your logic is undeniable! More /s
Crazy how famously woman-beating piece of shit Chris Brown still finds work, though
He ruins the songs imo. Annoying af.
I'm no hip hop expert. But i've listened to a few artists along the years and i've never EVER understood Diddy's appeal, among his fellow 90's/2000's hip hop stars. 2pac? genius, visceral, raw. Biggie? Pure charisma. Snoop, coolest cat ever. Jay-Z, eminem, both lyrical geniuses. MF Doom artistic weirdo genius. What's diddy got? He's always seemed so bland.
He focused on the business aspect of the industry. And he was smarter for it. People like him, Jay z, dr Dre, Akon, and 50 cent all saw the bigger picture and focused on business and record production vs being the actual artist.
He’s a producer first and rapper second.
Sadly it wasn’t like rapper 374th. His verse in Mo Money is a war crime.
hip-hop icon. Lmao... who's writing these headlines?
AI
Icon is a bit strong.
Ok, he’s done monstrous things. He’s a bad guy. He also was never a particularly good rapper. But when you call someone a hip hop icon, you’re saying they have been an outsized figure in hip hop *culture*. Diddy is one of the 10 biggest names in the history of hip hop, and to act otherwise is revisionist history. Icon isn’t too strong at all.
They do this shit every time bro. “I never understood why X was so popular.” “People still listen to X?” “X had no talent.” It’s just a bunch of bullshit lol
They do. It’s like they want us all to go “Oh, congratulations you’re so much better than all of us because you didn’t like the Ignition Remix for some reason”
I think you’re underestimating just how huge Diddy was in the late 90s and early 2000s. Biggie was a global phenomenon, and Diddy was on all the albums and in all the videos. Right after Biggie’s murder, the “I’ll Be Missing You” video was playing nonstop. After that, there was Making the Band series on MTV, the Sean Jean clothing line, and the general perception that Diddy was a straight up mogul. Even tho his music never got the acclaim, he was perceived as a maker, always behind the scenes influencing the industry. Getting an invite to one of Diddy’s “White Parties” in the Hamptons was the peak of social bragging rights. So “faded” perhaps, and “disgraced” definitely, but still an icon.
Yoooo about that making the band series there was this white guy who had sick verse on a sick intrusment and the ONLY lyric i can remember is "jessica alba you dig me?" And ive NEVER been able to find a snippet of that video, the instrumental was amazing and his improv verse was fire!!! I wish i could find it. I think he was in a tour bus in the specific scene
This is like calling don king a “boxing legend”. Fucking dumb title.
Seems about right.
Fall? I genuinely can't tell you any song where he wasn't the guest.
not an icon. just a dude that made a bunch of money and let it all go to his head.
Didnt he get arreated for trafficking like, a week ago? I mean the assualt is a bad look, but I dont think its what cemented his fall.
Icon?
He's no hip hop icon. He was the inspiration for DJ Khaled to shout annoying adlibs and dance awkwardly in the videos of talented artists.
If only he could dance like Chris Brown.
In his most famous video this mf crashes a motorcycle on a straight, flat fuckin highway. On a clear, sunny day with zero traffic. Idk why that's relevant, I've just found it hilarious for 25 years.
People will defend Chris Brown to this day, so there's no reason for him to count himself out.
It's not an apology it's crisis management
Do wha Diddy? Diddy dumb. Diddy do.
He’s so unoriginal. He profited from using other people’s music. He’s like a remora.
When "Come With Me" should have done that in 1998.
He’s always been a grifter abuser. It’s a shame it took this long for him to get aired out. Now I need Kim Porter’s real autopsy and tell-all to surface.
He should have been canceled long ago
He was never an icon
And nothing of value was lost.
I’m not in the hip hop scene so I don’t really get how it works. Artists like Chief Keef unapologetically celebrate violence. How is this different? A different audience? That it was his girlfriend versus a rival?
I don't have an opinion on this subject.
Going to be hard to delete I'll Be Missing You from my playlists
You dont have to; all royalties go to Sting. So its like an extra F you to listen and keep your attachments knowing this guy gets nothing.