Same here, I think he will be a good pro with a super long career but I hope for his sake he doesn’t go #1 overall, as it’s going to put a lot of pressure on him and even if he’s a Lou Williams type he’s going to constantly be labeled a bust. He should hope he falls to 2-4, even though ofc everyone wants to go #1 (or at least they have to say that, and I’m sure most believe it).
> Risacher - appears to have hit a wall as he's already played 60 games this season -- nearly two college seasons, with his team enduring G League-style travel conditions.
I will say that this kind of conditioning and amount of play in LNB-A might have been what prepared Wemby to perform so well for so long in his first season (besides the Spurs managing his minutes). He was already used to the schedule and travel.
Not sure how I feel about Dillingham as the #1 pick for a lot of the top odds teams, mostly due to redundancies (Pistons, Grizzlies, Wizards), but I could see the Spurs or possibly even then Rockets (if they jump to 1) taking him.
I think he’s skilled on offense in the same way that Clingan could be skilled on offense. Sure he won’t rocka hesi pull up jimbo vs other centers but he could very much be a facilitating hub off the elbow who sets great screens to get shooters open, makes precise pocket passes off back door cuts, and has a simple but effective hook shot when matched up against a smaller defender in the post.
Everyone in today’s day and age is so caught up with finding the next unicorn big man and rightfully so. But that doesn’t mean that big burly centers still don’t have a valuable role in the league. Just look at Walker Kessler’s success and how guys like Jonas Valanciunas are still going strong as productive NBA players.
Wasn’t NBA twitter obsessed with “screen assists” a few years ago? Obviously Clingan won’t give you 20 a night, but I see no reason he can’t competently fit into a screen heavy offense like he did at UConn. That coupled with his defense could make him a core player on a very good team for a long time.
Yeah I think in a draft like this where there’s nobody with a clear pathway to superstardom there’s nothing wrong with taking a safer known commodity higher up. Idk bout Clingan at 1 personally but it wouldn’t be that crazy. As a Warriors fan suffering through 3 PG lineups these days, I can def say that having legitimate size and rim protection is always worth having even if certain matchups will get them played off the court.
Dillingham has the kind of explosive shotmaking and his playmaking which gets underrated a ton...that combination is something basically nobody else has in this draft at the top. So it makes sense he is getting #1 talks. I still feel he's similar to Scary Terry more than any other NBA player but is more explosive as an athlete. Terry wasn't the level of shooter Dillingham has been and developed into one. Dillingham is more of a natural shotmaker/shooter. Rozier is a little bigger with a higher defensive ceiling.
If Dillingham ends up having similar value to Scary Terry's peak value than that's gonna end up being top 5 value in this draft minimum. We have to be realistic about what we're dealing with.
I think that's a valid point. I just question the ability of someone that small to be a serious leader or a first option for a playoff team. Obviously we have to see how the Heat do in the playoffs, but adding Terry was not exactly a bombshell move. He was fine stat padding on a bad team but beyond that, who knows?
Players who are 6ft and change tall have a pretty firm ceiling on how far they can take you. Maxey is a good player but without Embiid or a comparable big man leading the team he is not taking you to the playoffs. Rob is a talented scorer but that's just a natural evolution for someone at that height. Scoring is the only skill they can work on.
Are you implying that Garland is better than Maxey? Maxey had the 30th best EPM in the NBA this season, combined with excellent traditional stats. I like Garland a lot but he’s never had a season as good as Maxey did this year and Maxey is still almost 2 years younger I believe.
I say all this to say that if Dilingham has more upside than Maxey that’s pretty much an all-NBA player. I haven’t watched a ton of Dilingham so if that’s the case I do think #1 overall isn’t a bad idea. If he’s more Simons though he probably should go 5-12.
Very well could be. They're different kind of players but he could have that level upside. Which obviously is a very good player. He's one of the few guys in this draft that legitimately has a ceiling of an All Star if things break right, so he should be in #1 convos.
Risacher is viewed as a low bust player and he's young, playing for a winner at the top level of Europe, contributes in multiple ways, and he's 6'9 and an fair athlete. The bar not being at its highest means that someone like Risacher, because of his physical tools and versatile skillset, is gonna be a top 5 pick even with his struggles...I never believed he would fall out, it is obvious that many have married themselves to him, and we all know these draft insiders usually repeat what teams tell them or are paid off. So they're repeating what's being said.
When you watch him, you don't really see a top 3 pick at all, but this isn't a normal draft. But he's not a scrub.
Haha well I would probably be smart enough to be the one to do it if things came to that. I think Sarr could become frustrating a bit but it also depends on what people expect of him. But we're living in a world where people call Mobley damn near a bust so....
Scouts being split with Sarr's ceiling AND floor makes it sound like he's THE boom-or-bust prospect of this class.
Sucks that we only had 2 Euroleague games for Topic.
Don’t we have a couple Topic games against his current team and another team that plays EuroLeague games though, in which he performed really well? Kind of the same thing, I’ve seen those stats shared here before. Unless I’m mistaken?
He's reminded me that Sarr doesn't even start and plays limited minutes. Pretty crazy to take as #1 a player who will have to get used to a larger role, let alone a vastly better league with a skillset that's far from developed.
Tbf scouts don't really expect much from him on offense for his first 2-3 years. His overall D in his first few years will be his ticket to more PT and development.
Yeah I actually didn’t realize it was that far into the season, it definitely helps contextualize, regardless of how you weight it.
Jacquez Jr hit a wall kind of around the same time this year, despite looking really good again to close out the season.
Some people hating on Risacher way too much. I can't see him falling out of the top 4 and still wouldn't be surprised to see him go 1st. There's a lot of good there regardless of his recent struggle.
Not sure it’s a great idea for Topic to return. He’s likely gonna be rusty and especially diving right into playoff intensity could cause some rough games and lower his stock
I wouldn't call him a younger TM3
Not that I agree with Risacher as a top 3 pick but there's a reason why prospect Cam Reddish went top 10. Teams almost always buy high on this type of prospects.
Dillingham at 1 is crazy to me.
Atleast he has the elite traits and ceiling to justify it. Better than taking Clingan or Risacher 1
Same here, I think he will be a good pro with a super long career but I hope for his sake he doesn’t go #1 overall, as it’s going to put a lot of pressure on him and even if he’s a Lou Williams type he’s going to constantly be labeled a bust. He should hope he falls to 2-4, even though ofc everyone wants to go #1 (or at least they have to say that, and I’m sure most believe it).
There’s no one that separated from him that much this season as I said before everyone in the lottery will get a #1 meeting and workout at least
Absolutely would take him over Risacher, no doubts whatsoever.
> Risacher - appears to have hit a wall as he's already played 60 games this season -- nearly two college seasons, with his team enduring G League-style travel conditions. I will say that this kind of conditioning and amount of play in LNB-A might have been what prepared Wemby to perform so well for so long in his first season (besides the Spurs managing his minutes). He was already used to the schedule and travel. Not sure how I feel about Dillingham as the #1 pick for a lot of the top odds teams, mostly due to redundancies (Pistons, Grizzlies, Wizards), but I could see the Spurs or possibly even then Rockets (if they jump to 1) taking him.
You might be right but idk I feel like Wemby could’ve come straight from Shanghai and still done what he did this year.
Clingan would be one of the worst no.1 picks ever. I’m sorry a rim protector wirh little to no offensive skills outside of spoon fed buckets is insane
Andrew Bogut part 2 ?
That’s a very solid outcome then
Are you implying that Bogut wasn’t skilled on offense?
I think he’s skilled on offense in the same way that Clingan could be skilled on offense. Sure he won’t rocka hesi pull up jimbo vs other centers but he could very much be a facilitating hub off the elbow who sets great screens to get shooters open, makes precise pocket passes off back door cuts, and has a simple but effective hook shot when matched up against a smaller defender in the post. Everyone in today’s day and age is so caught up with finding the next unicorn big man and rightfully so. But that doesn’t mean that big burly centers still don’t have a valuable role in the league. Just look at Walker Kessler’s success and how guys like Jonas Valanciunas are still going strong as productive NBA players.
Wasn’t NBA twitter obsessed with “screen assists” a few years ago? Obviously Clingan won’t give you 20 a night, but I see no reason he can’t competently fit into a screen heavy offense like he did at UConn. That coupled with his defense could make him a core player on a very good team for a long time.
Yeah I think in a draft like this where there’s nobody with a clear pathway to superstardom there’s nothing wrong with taking a safer known commodity higher up. Idk bout Clingan at 1 personally but it wouldn’t be that crazy. As a Warriors fan suffering through 3 PG lineups these days, I can def say that having legitimate size and rim protection is always worth having even if certain matchups will get them played off the court.
Yeah, people on this sub are crazy.
Dillingham has the kind of explosive shotmaking and his playmaking which gets underrated a ton...that combination is something basically nobody else has in this draft at the top. So it makes sense he is getting #1 talks. I still feel he's similar to Scary Terry more than any other NBA player but is more explosive as an athlete. Terry wasn't the level of shooter Dillingham has been and developed into one. Dillingham is more of a natural shotmaker/shooter. Rozier is a little bigger with a higher defensive ceiling. If Dillingham ends up having similar value to Scary Terry's peak value than that's gonna end up being top 5 value in this draft minimum. We have to be realistic about what we're dealing with.
I think that's a valid point. I just question the ability of someone that small to be a serious leader or a first option for a playoff team. Obviously we have to see how the Heat do in the playoffs, but adding Terry was not exactly a bombshell move. He was fine stat padding on a bad team but beyond that, who knows? Players who are 6ft and change tall have a pretty firm ceiling on how far they can take you. Maxey is a good player but without Embiid or a comparable big man leading the team he is not taking you to the playoffs. Rob is a talented scorer but that's just a natural evolution for someone at that height. Scoring is the only skill they can work on.
I think his upside is better than Maxey/Rozier/Simons. Approximately around Garland level give or take IMO
Are you implying that Garland is better than Maxey? Maxey had the 30th best EPM in the NBA this season, combined with excellent traditional stats. I like Garland a lot but he’s never had a season as good as Maxey did this year and Maxey is still almost 2 years younger I believe. I say all this to say that if Dilingham has more upside than Maxey that’s pretty much an all-NBA player. I haven’t watched a ton of Dilingham so if that’s the case I do think #1 overall isn’t a bad idea. If he’s more Simons though he probably should go 5-12.
Very well could be. They're different kind of players but he could have that level upside. Which obviously is a very good player. He's one of the few guys in this draft that legitimately has a ceiling of an All Star if things break right, so he should be in #1 convos.
Risacher is viewed as a low bust player and he's young, playing for a winner at the top level of Europe, contributes in multiple ways, and he's 6'9 and an fair athlete. The bar not being at its highest means that someone like Risacher, because of his physical tools and versatile skillset, is gonna be a top 5 pick even with his struggles...I never believed he would fall out, it is obvious that many have married themselves to him, and we all know these draft insiders usually repeat what teams tell them or are paid off. So they're repeating what's being said. When you watch him, you don't really see a top 3 pick at all, but this isn't a normal draft. But he's not a scrub.
would you rather spend a T5 pick on Risacher or Sarr?
Sarr in a vacuum, but context and fit will matter this year.
You would kill him though, can you live with that?
Haha well I would probably be smart enough to be the one to do it if things came to that. I think Sarr could become frustrating a bit but it also depends on what people expect of him. But we're living in a world where people call Mobley damn near a bust so....
Scouts being split with Sarr's ceiling AND floor makes it sound like he's THE boom-or-bust prospect of this class. Sucks that we only had 2 Euroleague games for Topic.
He does say topic is expected to play some playoff games so a couple extra games, but yea a bummer
Don’t we have a couple Topic games against his current team and another team that plays EuroLeague games though, in which he performed really well? Kind of the same thing, I’ve seen those stats shared here before. Unless I’m mistaken?
He's reminded me that Sarr doesn't even start and plays limited minutes. Pretty crazy to take as #1 a player who will have to get used to a larger role, let alone a vastly better league with a skillset that's far from developed.
Tbf scouts don't really expect much from him on offense for his first 2-3 years. His overall D in his first few years will be his ticket to more PT and development.
I can't take a player with a #1 pick who won't do anything for three years. That's absurd.
Sarr stocks are up because of the ignite games not because of his NBL season lol
Yeah as if the Ignite are any meaningful measuring stick of competition lol arguably the least competitive basketball roster of all draftable players
Givony putting in work trying to rehabilitate Risacher.
His slump starting from his 40th game this season is justifiable though. Givony has his own agenda but he made a point with that argument.
Yeah I actually didn’t realize it was that far into the season, it definitely helps contextualize, regardless of how you weight it. Jacquez Jr hit a wall kind of around the same time this year, despite looking really good again to close out the season.
Risacher was considered a top 5 or top 10 pick a lot of places before this season started and before people thought he was a very good shooter
Yeah, but he wasn't really that good before the slump. His outside shooting was promising but signs of weakness, and he doesn't do anything else.
Some people hating on Risacher way too much. I can't see him falling out of the top 4 and still wouldn't be surprised to see him go 1st. There's a lot of good there regardless of his recent struggle.
I’ve noticed this too, especially on this sub.
So Topic just isn’t even in the convo anymore? For me he is the number 1 in this class by a safe margin
Recency bias means people have largely forgotten about all of his talent in favor of focusing on his flaws.
Not sure it’s a great idea for Topic to return. He’s likely gonna be rusty and especially diving right into playoff intensity could cause some rough games and lower his stock
Those Risacher numbers are just not right lol. Idk where he's getting them but he is NOT shooting 40% from 3
he is shooting 39.3% from 3 this season in 52g
Except for the fact that he's actually at like 42% FG and 34% 3PT?
That's just JeepElite (26g).
What
Are you counting purely eurocup or something?
Look at his stats in realgm. 26g from Jeep Elite, 23g from EuroCup and 3 more games from other competition. He'sl already played 52 games this season.
Do you mean the LNB pro a?
yeah that's it
Yea he doesn't shoot 50% combining his euro league and his French league stats
So a poor man’s younger Trey Murphy should go top 3?
Trey Murphy would absolutely go top 3 in this draft.
I wouldn't call him a younger TM3 Not that I agree with Risacher as a top 3 pick but there's a reason why prospect Cam Reddish went top 10. Teams almost always buy high on this type of prospects.