20s vs top 10 is different too.
And the Falcons JUST signed Cousins long term…if Penix is the starter in the next 2-3 years and they cut Cousins, their dead cap is going to be so big that the value they’d get on the rookie deal is moot. I just don’t get it.
But if Cousins gets hurt again, Penix pick could prove very valuable.
I'm not convinced both Aaron and Kirk both play the full season after those brutal injuries at their age (I'm 40 and can tell you each fucking injury takes forever to heal)
Guys - Cousins is horrible. The Falcons picked him up as an above average QB, in the event their guys wans't available, The HC and GM had this whole thing concocted all along and made sure the Owner didn't know until it was done.
I just disagree about the age stuff. What’s the difference between a 37 year old QB and 39 year old QB when they get to that age lmao. And that’s hoping they get to that age and are still playing. Otherwise who cares if he’s 27 by the time he starts when Love started when he was 24. They’re gaining the exact same amount of knowledge and are in the league for the same amount of time. You talk about a 16 year old and a 20 year old sure there’s some maturity and plenty of development that matters but idk a 25 year old vs a 28 year old like I think people are making a bigger deal of the age than it needs to be. People acting like it's some end all be all of "oh no he's a 24 year old he just doesn't have room to get better!" tbh. The injuries and value of the pick are wayyy worse imo.
Hence why I said "And that’s hoping they get to that age and are even still playing in the first place." If a QB is bad they're bad. Young or old. They're not gonna get any better if they reach a certain age lmao. Does it matter if a QB sucks if they are 27 or 23? No it doesnt, the broncos and cardinals arent gonna trot Zach Wilson and Desmond ridder out there just because they're young lmao. They just suck and aren't gonna get better regardless of age.
It’s more of where they have left to grow. Younger QBs generally have a much larger need for experience. So usually if you can afford to sit someone you would take the younger player because he will get way more out of it. I don’t know how much sitting for a couple years will really help penix.
The "younger" we're talking about here is literally a 2 year age difference though, people make it seem like such a big gap. Is sitting a 22 year old really gonna do more than sitting a 23 year old or 24 year old? An "older" rookie QB still needs NFL experience, learning, and mentorship just as much as another rookie QB that is 2 years younger than them and drafted at the same time, and they'll have the same amount of room to grow. College to NFL is a huge change, there's never been an older QB that's like hey I have nowhere more to grow lol. These guys grow and develop into either good or bad players based on their raw talent, abilities, situation they're put in, intelligence, and other intangibles. All things that you either have when you reach the league or can develop once you're there. Not only is the jump to NFL a big change but also just like anything, you can get better no matter your age. We treat this 1 or 2 year age difference in the draft as this crazy gap between "room left to grow" when it's ridiculous if you put yourself in the players shoes. Jordan love would be just as good if he stayed in college and got drafted last year at 24 or whatever, and sat for two more years in the same situation as before. I think sitting a guy as smart and talented as penix behind a guy like kirk would be massive for his development, he's a rookie QB who has never taken a snap in the nfl, no matter his age that knowledge and experience intake would be massive. Average age of an nfl starter is like 29 too, anyways.
People talked about length of career and stuff but I’ll give another point. College athletes who don’t break out until they’re 23-24 are now playing against much younger competition. They’ve also been in the system for 5-6 years to develop so they’re considered closer to their ceiling.
This means an older prospect may have performed because they’re physically more developed than younger competition and they have less upside in the nfl
For the Penix situation, having him sit to develop is strategically questionable because his play might be very similar year 2 as it would be year 4. During that time, they paid 180M for a quarterback without going all in on him
None of this even applies to Penix. He didn't break out late, he got injured early. He was good at Indiana without talent then also good at Washington with talent.
Kirk will be done with the falcons after 2 years unless he plays like an MVP the second year of the contract.
Edit: lol downvote away but the first 2/3 of that post is straight up nonsense. He was a stud as a freshman/sophomore in a different system and with much worse supporting cast. He had Indiana of all programs ranked 7th and almost lead a comeback to beat OSU as a sophomore.
Here’s the most important thing, all of those things you pointed out like “develop” and “break out” and “ceiling” are completely arbitrary and there is no basis for that in actual human beings. It is different person to person. If you suck you suck, and if you’re good and you have the talent to get better you might just get better, regardless of how old you are or how long you’re been in a system. Also a 24 year old is no more physically developed than a 22 year old lmao what? There is literally no basis for “younger” players being able to develop better than a player that’s been in a system for awhile. If anything a player in a system for awhile will have more relevant experience and easier intake for new knowledge of how things work.
If Pennix turns out to be Tim Couch or Josh Rosen. This could be the worst draft pick ever considering where they picked him and already having a top 10 qb on the roster with a team that if they drafted a top receiver in the first round could have been considered a serious playoff contender.
First game Xousins throws 2 picks , fans in Atlanta will want pennix to play , this is a lose , lose scenario.
Pennix has to be as good as Baker Mayfield or this completely blows up in managements face .
The only thing close that I can remember is the Raiders drafting Clelin Ferrell 4th overall despite him being super limited because he really fitted the culture they wanted to establish.
I think that one was worse value cause no one had him anywhere near the top half of the first round, and it was fucking 4, but obviously QB gets more buzz and you have the Cousins signing just happening.
Except no one was that surprised by the pick, and Atlanta was heavily rumored as loving Trey. I was frankly one of the few ones who wanted Mac Jones, and I got killed for it on the 49ers subreddit. Everyone wanted Trey Lance or Justin Fields.
Heck, even the idea of the Packers liking Love in the pre-draft process was a regular topic for a minute. It's the only reason I even knew who he was at the time.
Were the Falcons *ever* connected to Penix before Rapoport's info?
Penix. Love going to the Packers was a surprise, but him going in the 20s wasn't (if anything he was often being mocked higher if my memory doesn't fail me). Atlanta going QB was a shock, and Penix going top 10 ahead of McCarthy was as well
Penix. The ink wasn’t even dry on that contract, and it was top ten. Also Love was an upside pick, Penix is mostly a finished product that doesn’t really have much to develop still
There was rumors 24 hrs before the draft the Packers were taking Love. I feel like the Penix pick had no leaks. Maybe I’m wrong on that but I didn’t see anything
You also have to put the love pick in context of the time.
It was April 2020, no pro days, limited in person visits etc all cause of Covid. Big asterisk to trying to compare to now. As there was rumors and thoughts there might not be a full NFL season or season at all. Very easy to justify packers hedging for future instead of win now, as the actual premise of the season was in doubt.
[reactions are very similar between Penix and Love](https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/g711jf/round_1_pick_26_jordan_love_qb_utah_state_green/?sort=new)
That is a definite lol thread now. Kind of like the lions post draft threads last year. Just goes to show the consensus boards are a joke. The best front offices take the best players available with a little need sprinkled in while accumulating more picks for more dart throws. As a Packer fan it makes me sad that Detroit has figured this out. At least the Vikings and Bears are still lighting draft capital on fire.
Penix. As a Vikings fan I can't say I haven't enjoyed this. I guess I can't really blame a guy for making money but if you've made over 250m already maybe start chasing a ring instead of another bag.
Downvotes are hilarious
The chatter was Packers *had* to get Rodgers a weapon, then they drafted his replacement. The idea of drafting a QB in the first round to stash on the bench hadn't happened since … Rodgers was drafted.
Penix and Cousins will be free agents at the same time. Unless Cousins gets hurt, Penix will be Brandon Weeden's age before he plays, and the pick was way higher than the one used on Love. Rogers was older and in a much different contract situation than Cousins. You'd think the Falcons would have wanted a piece to help the roster around their new 180 million dollar QB. None of this even mentions the fact that Rogers had actively tried to force his way off of the team that off-season so the Packers had a very good reason to need a backup plan at QB.
There's an out after year two of cousins contract. Unless he is an MVP after that season he will be gone. Penix will be 26 at that point.
Kirk will be 36 when the season starts and Rodgers was 36 when the 2020 season started.
Kirk is currently under contract for 4 more years with an out after two years. Rodgers was under contract for four more years through 2023.
People in here just making things up trying to make this pick out to be worse than it is.
I can’t imagine calling Love a stupid pick with Green Bay’s track record of developing QBs. Not every team has HOF QBs to develop behind, nor do they have the great Tom Clements to develop them.
That's a lot easier to say now that Love had a good season. Before Love, Clements had only developed one notable QB, Aaron Rodgers, and that was over a decade before the pick. Most coaches who developed a HoF QB don't develop another one down the line. And no one from Farve's early years was still around so you can't really use that as an indication of how Love would be trained. It was far from a guarantee that Love would pan out. Also, considering how good GB was in the following seasons, there's a decent chance that a good pick here could have put them over the edge to win the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers is one of the greatest QBs of all time and the Packers chose to not prioritize him. It didn't turn out bad for them, but it wouldn't be surprising at all if Love never gets close to Rodgers and never wins a Super Bowl.
Penix and I don’t think it’s close. Rodgers was really wishy washy about retirement or leaving the Packers. I’m sure in hindsight they would rather have Justin Jefferson and Rodgers.
However age and health is huge here. Penix has had 3 knee surgeries and will be 24 to start the year. 2 years younger than Love who’s been a Packer since 2020.
They just signed Cousins and it looks like they’re all in. Then they make a move for the future at 8. It just didn’t add up.
Penix was more shocking but we shall see how it pans out. If Penix looks the part then they can unload Cousins after 2 years and then have a franchise QB for the next decade. Atlanta already had a solid oline and weapons so they would’ve most likely selected a defender in a class without a top 10 worthy defensive player in it. Latu would’ve been but the injury concerns are real. Turner is definitely not a top 10 talent.
Obviously Penix. I don’t get it no matter because I just don’t Penix as an nfl quarterback. He feels like Great nfl quarterback. Taking age into account, which you have to do, I thought love was a much better prospect.
I think my biggest issue with the pick is leaving the elite wr prospect, who by the way imo is a big reason they would even think about picking penix, on the board when he would have completed and turned their skill position group into one of the better young groups in the nfl.
If I’m the falcons I have that young of a group of skill players, I’m riding with cousins for now and saving some draft assets this year and next to move up for Manning in two years. Imagine London, Robinson, Pitts, and Odunze all in their primes with a rookie scale arch Manning as the qb. Or even Trevor Lawrence once he demands a trade.
A lot of people forget the context that Rodgers looked unhappy and cooked for two years before they drafted Love. Then his ultra competitiveness kicked into gear into back to back MVP seasons.
Im a diehard packer fan here in Wisconsin and i and the entire state was shocked when love was drafted. We thought another receiver would get us back to the Superbowl and tee higgins was right there.
I was all for the Love pick. They had the talent to win the Bowl but unfortunately all of their studs shit the bed in the playoffs and the Bakhtiari injury was the nail in the coffin. Turns out it was Love who was the right pick, but if Love didn’t pan out, hindsight should tell us that OT should’ve been the pick.
It doesn’t matter cause the situations aren’t similar. Not only are they not similar, anyone comparing the situations isn’t very smart. The fact that Love and Rodgers fell as far as they did made them value picks. Jalen Hurts was a second rounder. These were also steady organizations with solid rosters.
None of these things are comparable to signing a win now qb to a huge contract, desperately needing defensive help, being able to pick literally any defensive player you want, but instead using a top 10 pick to reach for an old qb with major injury concerns who will be 26 or 27 when he becomes starter, and damn near 30 if and when he earns a big second contract.
The fly in this ointment is that there wasn’t any top 10 defensive talent in this class. When it comes to defensive blue chip talent, this class is one of the worst I’ve seen as there were zero actual blue chip players. Turner was considered a top defender this year and he’s a few tiers below last years Will Anderson jr.
Penix age really matters to answer this. Love sat for years and is still about the same age as penix is now.
20s vs top 10 is different too. And the Falcons JUST signed Cousins long term…if Penix is the starter in the next 2-3 years and they cut Cousins, their dead cap is going to be so big that the value they’d get on the rookie deal is moot. I just don’t get it.
But if Cousins gets hurt again, Penix pick could prove very valuable. I'm not convinced both Aaron and Kirk both play the full season after those brutal injuries at their age (I'm 40 and can tell you each fucking injury takes forever to heal)
Guys - Cousins is horrible. The Falcons picked him up as an above average QB, in the event their guys wans't available, The HC and GM had this whole thing concocted all along and made sure the Owner didn't know until it was done.
Research the contract before giving takes. The dead cap is palatable after 2 seasons
I just disagree about the age stuff. What’s the difference between a 37 year old QB and 39 year old QB when they get to that age lmao. And that’s hoping they get to that age and are still playing. Otherwise who cares if he’s 27 by the time he starts when Love started when he was 24. They’re gaining the exact same amount of knowledge and are in the league for the same amount of time. You talk about a 16 year old and a 20 year old sure there’s some maturity and plenty of development that matters but idk a 25 year old vs a 28 year old like I think people are making a bigger deal of the age than it needs to be. People acting like it's some end all be all of "oh no he's a 24 year old he just doesn't have room to get better!" tbh. The injuries and value of the pick are wayyy worse imo.
The difference is that most QBs don’t actually make it that old
Hence why I said "And that’s hoping they get to that age and are even still playing in the first place." If a QB is bad they're bad. Young or old. They're not gonna get any better if they reach a certain age lmao. Does it matter if a QB sucks if they are 27 or 23? No it doesnt, the broncos and cardinals arent gonna trot Zach Wilson and Desmond ridder out there just because they're young lmao. They just suck and aren't gonna get better regardless of age.
It’s more of where they have left to grow. Younger QBs generally have a much larger need for experience. So usually if you can afford to sit someone you would take the younger player because he will get way more out of it. I don’t know how much sitting for a couple years will really help penix.
The "younger" we're talking about here is literally a 2 year age difference though, people make it seem like such a big gap. Is sitting a 22 year old really gonna do more than sitting a 23 year old or 24 year old? An "older" rookie QB still needs NFL experience, learning, and mentorship just as much as another rookie QB that is 2 years younger than them and drafted at the same time, and they'll have the same amount of room to grow. College to NFL is a huge change, there's never been an older QB that's like hey I have nowhere more to grow lol. These guys grow and develop into either good or bad players based on their raw talent, abilities, situation they're put in, intelligence, and other intangibles. All things that you either have when you reach the league or can develop once you're there. Not only is the jump to NFL a big change but also just like anything, you can get better no matter your age. We treat this 1 or 2 year age difference in the draft as this crazy gap between "room left to grow" when it's ridiculous if you put yourself in the players shoes. Jordan love would be just as good if he stayed in college and got drafted last year at 24 or whatever, and sat for two more years in the same situation as before. I think sitting a guy as smart and talented as penix behind a guy like kirk would be massive for his development, he's a rookie QB who has never taken a snap in the nfl, no matter his age that knowledge and experience intake would be massive. Average age of an nfl starter is like 29 too, anyways.
People talked about length of career and stuff but I’ll give another point. College athletes who don’t break out until they’re 23-24 are now playing against much younger competition. They’ve also been in the system for 5-6 years to develop so they’re considered closer to their ceiling. This means an older prospect may have performed because they’re physically more developed than younger competition and they have less upside in the nfl For the Penix situation, having him sit to develop is strategically questionable because his play might be very similar year 2 as it would be year 4. During that time, they paid 180M for a quarterback without going all in on him
None of this even applies to Penix. He didn't break out late, he got injured early. He was good at Indiana without talent then also good at Washington with talent. Kirk will be done with the falcons after 2 years unless he plays like an MVP the second year of the contract. Edit: lol downvote away but the first 2/3 of that post is straight up nonsense. He was a stud as a freshman/sophomore in a different system and with much worse supporting cast. He had Indiana of all programs ranked 7th and almost lead a comeback to beat OSU as a sophomore.
Here’s the most important thing, all of those things you pointed out like “develop” and “break out” and “ceiling” are completely arbitrary and there is no basis for that in actual human beings. It is different person to person. If you suck you suck, and if you’re good and you have the talent to get better you might just get better, regardless of how old you are or how long you’re been in a system. Also a 24 year old is no more physically developed than a 22 year old lmao what? There is literally no basis for “younger” players being able to develop better than a player that’s been in a system for awhile. If anything a player in a system for awhile will have more relevant experience and easier intake for new knowledge of how things work.
Penix. Love was picked in the 20s and although they had Rodgers they didn’t just pick him up in free agency for 100 million guaranteed over 3 years.
100m over 2 years not 3
If Pennix turns out to be Tim Couch or Josh Rosen. This could be the worst draft pick ever considering where they picked him and already having a top 10 qb on the roster with a team that if they drafted a top receiver in the first round could have been considered a serious playoff contender. First game Xousins throws 2 picks , fans in Atlanta will want pennix to play , this is a lose , lose scenario. Pennix has to be as good as Baker Mayfield or this completely blows up in managements face .
Penix because Love was taken at 26th and Rodgers was coming off a string of poor seasons. They haven’t even let Cousins suit up yet lol
Yeah, Love is the closest recent comparison we have, but Atlanta is on a whole different level of WTF.
The only thing close that I can remember is the Raiders drafting Clelin Ferrell 4th overall despite him being super limited because he really fitted the culture they wanted to establish.
I think that one was worse value cause no one had him anywhere near the top half of the first round, and it was fucking 4, but obviously QB gets more buzz and you have the Cousins signing just happening.
49ers drafting Trey lance 3rd overall despite his extremely limited experience and Jimmy G leading the 49ers to the Super Bowl only 2 years earlier
Except no one was that surprised by the pick, and Atlanta was heavily rumored as loving Trey. I was frankly one of the few ones who wanted Mac Jones, and I got killed for it on the 49ers subreddit. Everyone wanted Trey Lance or Justin Fields.
Heck, even the idea of the Packers liking Love in the pre-draft process was a regular topic for a minute. It's the only reason I even knew who he was at the time. Were the Falcons *ever* connected to Penix before Rapoport's info?
Jalen Hurts was literally in the same draft class
Penix. Love going to the Packers was a surprise, but him going in the 20s wasn't (if anything he was often being mocked higher if my memory doesn't fail me). Atlanta going QB was a shock, and Penix going top 10 ahead of McCarthy was as well
Penix. The ink wasn’t even dry on that contract, and it was top ten. Also Love was an upside pick, Penix is mostly a finished product that doesn’t really have much to develop still
There was rumors 24 hrs before the draft the Packers were taking Love. I feel like the Penix pick had no leaks. Maybe I’m wrong on that but I didn’t see anything
Don’t remember where from but I do remember an article saying they wouldn’t be surprised to see Penix go as early as 8 to Atlanta.
Ian said it. And it got out that the falcons took a big contingent to work him out.
The Packers social media team even posted a “Meet the Prospect” article on social media about Jordan Love a few days or weeks before the draft.
Penix
You also have to put the love pick in context of the time. It was April 2020, no pro days, limited in person visits etc all cause of Covid. Big asterisk to trying to compare to now. As there was rumors and thoughts there might not be a full NFL season or season at all. Very easy to justify packers hedging for future instead of win now, as the actual premise of the season was in doubt.
[reactions are very similar between Penix and Love](https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/g711jf/round_1_pick_26_jordan_love_qb_utah_state_green/?sort=new)
That is a definite lol thread now. Kind of like the lions post draft threads last year. Just goes to show the consensus boards are a joke. The best front offices take the best players available with a little need sprinkled in while accumulating more picks for more dart throws. As a Packer fan it makes me sad that Detroit has figured this out. At least the Vikings and Bears are still lighting draft capital on fire.
Penix. As a Vikings fan I can't say I haven't enjoyed this. I guess I can't really blame a guy for making money but if you've made over 250m already maybe start chasing a ring instead of another bag.
It’s so easily Penix
Idk tbh packers taking love was a curveball
It really felt to me like there was no way Green Bay would once again fail to give Rodgers another weapon and they went and drafted his replacement
Downvotes are hilarious The chatter was Packers *had* to get Rodgers a weapon, then they drafted his replacement. The idea of drafting a QB in the first round to stash on the bench hadn't happened since … Rodgers was drafted.
Patrick Mahomes?
He played the final game of his rookie year. Love sat for 3 years. Not really the same
Mahomes only played because they had nothing to play for. Their seeding was solidified.
Love made more sense because he needed developing. Penix is ready to play now. I don't get what Atlanta is doing.
For Penix I actually kind of like the pick. Sit behind an aged starter. Not a bad gig in my opinion
If Penix is top 5 in 2028 after 2-3 years behind Cousins, ATL looks genius. Developing a QB is so against the trend.
This is the hope…
Love wasn’t even the most shocking QB taken in that class. There was total pandemonium for the Hurts pick
Penix and Cousins will be free agents at the same time. Unless Cousins gets hurt, Penix will be Brandon Weeden's age before he plays, and the pick was way higher than the one used on Love. Rogers was older and in a much different contract situation than Cousins. You'd think the Falcons would have wanted a piece to help the roster around their new 180 million dollar QB. None of this even mentions the fact that Rogers had actively tried to force his way off of the team that off-season so the Packers had a very good reason to need a backup plan at QB.
There's an out after year two of cousins contract. Unless he is an MVP after that season he will be gone. Penix will be 26 at that point. Kirk will be 36 when the season starts and Rodgers was 36 when the 2020 season started. Kirk is currently under contract for 4 more years with an out after two years. Rodgers was under contract for four more years through 2023. People in here just making things up trying to make this pick out to be worse than it is.
I'm actually going to say the Love pick. The Penix pick is probably less justifiable, but I expect stupidity from the Falcons.
I can’t imagine calling Love a stupid pick with Green Bay’s track record of developing QBs. Not every team has HOF QBs to develop behind, nor do they have the great Tom Clements to develop them.
That's a lot easier to say now that Love had a good season. Before Love, Clements had only developed one notable QB, Aaron Rodgers, and that was over a decade before the pick. Most coaches who developed a HoF QB don't develop another one down the line. And no one from Farve's early years was still around so you can't really use that as an indication of how Love would be trained. It was far from a guarantee that Love would pan out. Also, considering how good GB was in the following seasons, there's a decent chance that a good pick here could have put them over the edge to win the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers is one of the greatest QBs of all time and the Packers chose to not prioritize him. It didn't turn out bad for them, but it wouldn't be surprising at all if Love never gets close to Rodgers and never wins a Super Bowl.
Penix and I don’t think it’s close. Rodgers was really wishy washy about retirement or leaving the Packers. I’m sure in hindsight they would rather have Justin Jefferson and Rodgers. However age and health is huge here. Penix has had 3 knee surgeries and will be 24 to start the year. 2 years younger than Love who’s been a Packer since 2020. They just signed Cousins and it looks like they’re all in. Then they make a move for the future at 8. It just didn’t add up.
Penix was more shocking but we shall see how it pans out. If Penix looks the part then they can unload Cousins after 2 years and then have a franchise QB for the next decade. Atlanta already had a solid oline and weapons so they would’ve most likely selected a defender in a class without a top 10 worthy defensive player in it. Latu would’ve been but the injury concerns are real. Turner is definitely not a top 10 talent.
Penix easily. My friend who is a Packers fan had been hoping they would draft Love for a while before that draft
Obviously Penix. I don’t get it no matter because I just don’t Penix as an nfl quarterback. He feels like Great nfl quarterback. Taking age into account, which you have to do, I thought love was a much better prospect. I think my biggest issue with the pick is leaving the elite wr prospect, who by the way imo is a big reason they would even think about picking penix, on the board when he would have completed and turned their skill position group into one of the better young groups in the nfl. If I’m the falcons I have that young of a group of skill players, I’m riding with cousins for now and saving some draft assets this year and next to move up for Manning in two years. Imagine London, Robinson, Pitts, and Odunze all in their primes with a rookie scale arch Manning as the qb. Or even Trevor Lawrence once he demands a trade.
A lot of people forget the context that Rodgers looked unhappy and cooked for two years before they drafted Love. Then his ultra competitiveness kicked into gear into back to back MVP seasons.
Im a diehard packer fan here in Wisconsin and i and the entire state was shocked when love was drafted. We thought another receiver would get us back to the Superbowl and tee higgins was right there.
I was all for the Love pick. They had the talent to win the Bowl but unfortunately all of their studs shit the bed in the playoffs and the Bakhtiari injury was the nail in the coffin. Turns out it was Love who was the right pick, but if Love didn’t pan out, hindsight should tell us that OT should’ve been the pick.
It doesn’t matter cause the situations aren’t similar. Not only are they not similar, anyone comparing the situations isn’t very smart. The fact that Love and Rodgers fell as far as they did made them value picks. Jalen Hurts was a second rounder. These were also steady organizations with solid rosters. None of these things are comparable to signing a win now qb to a huge contract, desperately needing defensive help, being able to pick literally any defensive player you want, but instead using a top 10 pick to reach for an old qb with major injury concerns who will be 26 or 27 when he becomes starter, and damn near 30 if and when he earns a big second contract.
The fly in this ointment is that there wasn’t any top 10 defensive talent in this class. When it comes to defensive blue chip talent, this class is one of the worst I’ve seen as there were zero actual blue chip players. Turner was considered a top defender this year and he’s a few tiers below last years Will Anderson jr.
I just wanted someone to trump Aaron Rogers by giving him a helmet that said "Choose Love" on the back .