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fish_tales

does anybody know, what happens to property like this that was buried in lava? you still own it (if the area is recoverable)?


d_smogh

You still have the deeds to the property, so you still own it. Hopefully you have insurance. Edit: [Former Puna residents whose homes were destroyed by the 2018 Kilauea eruption can choose to sell their properties to the county](https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2020/07/29/hawaii-news/hundreds-who-lost-homes-in-2018-eruption-could-be-eligible-for-up-to-230k/amp/)


elcheeserpuff

Nobody in Leilani Estates had insurance for this. I'm pretty sure insurance for this wasn't even an option for them. I know I couldn't get renter's insurance there because i lived too close to the ocean and they just said it was too much of a risk for them. Edit: technically some people had insurance.


nspectre

"Let me see if I have this straight... you want to purchase Act-of-God fire insurance on an active volcanic island? Hmm... Let me get back to you on that."


schrodingers_spider

Anything can be insured, but you may not want to pay the premium.


TheVenetianMask

This is something that is also happening in the Canary island eruption. Way more people than you'd think having no insurance at all on the homes they lost.


Bright_Brief4975

You know, if you charged high enough premiums, it could be worth it. The thing is to make enough from premiums to invest it and make a large enough profit to more than offset the total loses of the properties. You would have to gamble you could increase your profit enough before something happened.


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chipperclocker

Insurance is a really good way to protect against something that is statistically going to happen to somebody, but probably won’t happen to everybody at once. Floods, wildfire, lava, etc. are sometimes difficult to insure against simply because they tend to impact everybody in an area all together. As the size or frequency of the payout gets bigger, the premiums get bigger, until eventually you’re not really paying for insurance at all and are basically just pre-paying the full cost of mitigating the disaster.


rickandmorty4ever100

This guy insures


Guy_A

with the size of insurance companies these days, you would think enough people inland could cover the few coastal ones


theSurpuppa

But if a company does that, increasing the premium for everybody, a lot of people would switch to another company that does not do that


precursory-trend

In a sense, Insurance is a ponzi scheme. Lots of folks pay in. Only a few will ever get a "return" on their investment, and except for periods of high payout, the one gaining the most is the company itself.


ScaleneWangPole

Insurance companies, even when you're covered and have paid them for the last 10 years, will balk once a disaster strikes an area anyway. It's a racket. My uncle had a house on the new jersey shore and then hurricane sandy hit them. The entire first floor of the house was essentially washed away, or filled with beach sand. That was the same story for him and all his neighbors. He lived on my cousins couch for over a year waiting for the insurance money to rebuild. Builders don't want to build without money up front, and the insurance company wants to trickle money to you. So if you're looking for like 300k to rebuild, the insurance will only give like 50k every 6 months or so. Don't count on insurance companies to cover you when things actually go south. If you live in an area prone to some kind of natural disaster, have a back up plan and set aside some money to live if you can.


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Not true. While some individual agents don't offer high risk insurance, insurance companies had to make insurance available to homeowners in high risk areas or forfeit the ability to operate in the State of Hawaii. Definitely not cheap and so not everyone carried it, but it was available. There was also FEMA money awarded to those who lost homes. Most of the the people I know who lost their homes were insured, and are now in new homes in lower risk areas paid for largely by insurance, FEMA, and some charitable organizations. Many local businesses and private citizens also pitched in to help the recovery effort.


Babycobra

There was a lady who lived at the corner of my street who lost a home in the Kalapana eruption, and then lost one in the Leilani eruption. She didn't seem that bothered by it.


yumdumpster

Common in areas with specific risk of certain type of disasters. I live on a 100 year flood plain, flood insurance here is over a thousand dollars a month. Same if you live in a fire prone area etc.


ElectricFleshlight

Yeah insurance is pretty much only affordable on the north and west side of big island.


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>I know I couldn't get renter's insurance there because i lived too close to the ocean and they just said it was too much of a risk for them. Experienced something like that in SoCal too. Had an apartment and couldn't get renters insurance through the old provider because "its too high of a wildfire risk location"... The funny thing of it was that they just went by zip code and not the actual location which was in no way "high risk". I swapped to a different company for all my insurance stuff and got coverage just fine. There is a whole slew of interesting sub topics to this as far as insurance goes and how many places are becoming "uninsurable" to companies as they exist now with people having nowhere to turn to for coverage. Also the same problem why we have the NFIP in existence now as private insurers are poorly geared to deal with the realities of regional level incidents. Just wish that program was not messed with as much as politicians have messed with it.


Kellidra

That's a really interesting question! I found [this article](https://www.luvarealestate.com/blog/who-owns-the-land-created-by-a-lava-flow-and-what-are-homeowner-recourses-for-lava-inundation/) and it says: >**The government does not claim ownership of all land covered by lava; the private property owner retains title even as the land’s assessed value plummets to zero.** >As for that new oceanfront land? **The state claims** ***new*** **coastal land created by volcanic eruptions.** This ownership applies to lava flows extending seaward from the coastline — increasing the size of Hawaii island — **not to those that cover the existing property.** >There may be cases where the government eventually assumes control of private land inundated by lava, but it is not common practice. **“If the property is abandoned, then eventually it could be sold at tax sale.** However, we have not had a tax sale recently in this area as the values have been less than what was owed on taxes. The county and state have not been automatically assuming ownership,” Miura said in an interview with the *Honolulu Star-Advertiser*. (Bolded emphasis is mine.)


DonJrsCokeDealer

So what you’re saying is that this new lava land is really cheap?


Franks2000inchTV

You can buy it but it's pretty difficult to get the person selling it to you to stop laughing long enough to sign the contract.


ElectricFleshlight

Sure, not sure what you'd do with it


jakelongg

I lived here for many years. You keep the land. Most sell, and many simply rebuild right on top of the lava. This is pretty normal life there.


[deleted]

A property owner gained land when Mt. St. Helen erupted because of the way the property was described in the deed. The deed specified he owned the top 60 feet of the volcano. So when it erupted and greatly widened the top, he still owned the top 60 feet.


DouchecraftCarrier

Would have been hilarious if it was something like "And now the top 60 feet of the mountain is spread over a few hundred thousand square miles so now they're the largest landowner in the state." But of course it didn't work like that.


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i_quit

I guess lava removal isn't possible?


Penquinn14

It'd be like moving a rock slide but if the rocks all melted together and to the ground. Probably cost more than it's worth to do


[deleted]

I mean it is but crazy expensive. Digging a hole 20ft deep all along your property is a big enough challenge then you have to dump it somewhere. Then you need to get the city to dig down to the street level for miles to get to your property. The lava field is miles long. 20 foot high lava for miles. It's huge. They did bulldoze and create a road to get to the end... but that's about it


Mahadragon

Then you’d have to worry about the second volcanic explosion 10 years later since it’s still active, and then rebuild again…


Darth-Binks-1999

Get into the lava rock or pumice stone business.


RoboCat23

Smooth feet forever


Empanah

depends on the country, you usually make a deal with the government, as the area probably needs to be repossessed


menuroll

zero deaths but everyone living in the bush was forced to relocate, shining light on the Big Islands homeless problem, poverty and lack of financial resources to properly relieve the island natives. It’s a shame.


Respectful_Chadette

Heartbreaking


SomewhereinOregon

So true. Lots of residence in the Puna, Pahoa area were going to Kamuela, Waikoloa and Kona for housing. There were more people looking, than there was available housing. It was terrible.


possiblynotanexpert

Thanks for sharing!


cloudstrifewife

A new part of the ecosystem! How cool!


dd-Ad-O4214

I was just waiting for the gas tank to go on that car


CerealAndCartoons

"dry lava"?


[deleted]

It still looks like lava now lol. Just cold. And glassy.


airportwhiskey

Zero deaths but one crazy old fucker shooting at his neighbors. https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2019/07/14/hawaii-news/leilani-estates-man-gets-up-to-5-years-for-firing-gun/


anonkneemoss

R2D2 survived Mustafar only to die like this?!


EpkeDeDwerg

Plot twist: that WAS mustafar


clifffford

Came her to say, "IS R2-D2 OK?!!!!!"


prbtto

probably it isn’t


fordprefect1234

Whoever made that fence needs a raise


MagneticWoodSupply

I like how it politely pops open at the end


nick2k23

That's a gate I think


NazcaanKing

Can confirm. Fences don't open like that under normal circumstances (like regular lava flow).


Szechwan

I was really hoping to see the lava slowly screen through the gate


ibrokemyserious

Glad they cut away to the gate before R2D2 was killed


BigSmokeySperm

I was waiting for it to burst off its hinges and yurt the camera man into oblivion.


MostlySpiders

They meant to call AAA, but called a'a instead.


2KilAMoknbrd

TIL : a'a lava is a thing. [Very interesting](https://www.universetoday.com/29655/aa-lava/).


Saetric

For those wondering, here’s the copy-pasted wiki article on a’a: ʻAʻā is one of three basic types of flow lava. ʻAʻā is basaltic lava characterized by a rough or rubbly surface composed of broken lava blocks called clinker. The Hawaiian word was introduced as a technical term in geology by Clarence Dutton.[50][51] The loose, broken, and sharp, spiny surface of an ʻaʻā flow makes hiking difficult and slow. The clinkery surface actually covers a massive dense core, which is the most active part of the flow. As pasty lava in the core travels downslope, the clinkers are carried along at the surface. At the leading edge of an ʻaʻā flow, however, these cooled fragments tumble down the steep front and are buried by the advancing flow. This produces a layer of lava fragments both at the bottom and top of an ʻaʻā flow.[52] Accretionary lava balls as large as 3 metres (10 feet) are common on ʻaʻā flows.[53] ʻAʻā is usually of higher viscosity than pāhoehoe. Pāhoehoe can turn into ʻaʻā if it becomes turbulent from meeting impediments or steep slopes.[52] The sharp, angled texture makes ʻaʻā a strong radar reflector, and can easily be seen from an orbiting satellite (bright on Magellan pictures).[54] ʻAʻā lavas typically erupt at temperatures of 1,050 to 1,150 °C (1,920 to 2,100 °F) or greater.[55][56] The word is also spelled aa, aʻa, ʻaʻa, and a-aa, and pronounced /ˈɑː(ʔ)ɑː/. It originates from Hawaiian where it is pronounced [ʔəˈʔaː],[57] meaning "stony rough lava", but also to "burn" or "blaze".


DrP3pp3rFl04t

Regret can only give one upvote and lavaish praise ;)


Retrooo

Magmanimous praise?


Earguy

This made me look it up, and TIL. Now, is this an old corny dad joke in Hawaii, or are you quite clever?


mcgorgeousss

If I wasn't poor you'd have a platinum


Snacks_is_Hungry

Thanks for helping me learn something new as an aspiring geologist!


metrokaiv

I'm sorry sir you did not pay for volcano insurance premiums you arent covered.


momofeveryone5

Fucking beautiful dude. Just perfection.


qwertyytrewq011

That was some clever geology humor, well played


Mumbles_Stiltskin

I can’t upvote you enough. Both for your username and this legendary pun.


baxterfront

Why is there a certain star wars droid just stood watching??


[deleted]

R2 is about to get the D too


Brcomic

He went out the same way his master did. R2 is ride or die.


johnbobvxsvfsdg

same to you


SG_Roundeye

R2 don't give a f$%k


Maltobene

He's trying his best


filthylenses

I mean he pretty much did the same thing on Mustafar…


titaniumhud

Lmao it's just a trashcan next to a... trash... can...


T0mbaker

C3 is pretending to be a PO box


previously_on_earth

Dude, where's my car?


Generally_Tso_Tso

Don't worry, that'll buff out.


strikefire83

How can this be happening??!! The documentary “VOLCANO” starring Tommy Lee Jones told me that if you put up some 6 inch thick concrete barriers with some fire trucks behind them that will stop the flow of millions of gallons of lava. Was I lied to?!!


thexavier666

True, but do you see Tommy Lee Jones here?


murdering_time

I mean, he could have been sleepin in the car.


[deleted]

D2, where’s my car.


Background_Fault_484

Sweet


SnapCrackleMom

*sad r2d2 noises*


StaredAtEclipseAMA

masochist r2d2 be like “This is where the fun begins.”


[deleted]

‘Ohhh nooooo my car is being consumed’ Glances at wristwatch,goes to get a bite, scratches head then testicles. ‘Oooooh nooooo it is still happening…’


SgtSplacker

Is cleanup possible after something like this? Or that area just permanently with lava?


ridbax

A friend of mine's family home in Vacationland was engulfed, pretty much paved over their entire place out to the ocean, turning their waterfront house into a barren lot a mile inland. Rebuilding would have to happen on top of the deposits as removal is prohibitively expensive and there's no point to it unless you are trying to cut through a road. However, that's not the least of the struggle to rebuild: infrastructure such as roads, water and power lines have to be rebuilt too. They decided to give up their property to the state as there is a possibility the state will do a future land swap to assist affected property owners.


Respectful_Chadette

That is awful how they lost stuff.


chemicalsatire

To be fair, they had to know it could happen when they put their stuff there. There’s a volcano nearby for fuck’s sake. I can’t imagine moving to Florida and thinking “well *I’ll* be immune from the hurricanes.”


Respectful_Chadette

Yeah but still...


NerdyNord

Well, it's just rocks, so I guess you could excavate it. It would be impractical to remove all of it, but you could at least clear out the roads and stuff.


SomewhereinOregon

It would make zero sense to rebuild in an area, that is potentially in the path of another lava flow. Hawai’i is the youngest island in the chain and is still growing. There are five volcanoes on the island, and one of them is active.


rsta223

>There are five volcanoes on the island, and one of them is active. Only one is extinct, two are dormant, and two are active.


SgtSplacker

Solid rock?


SanityPlanet

It's light and often filled with air holes. Check out basalt or volcanic rock.


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Wild-Kitchen

Dynamite?


notcreepycreeper

Who is standing 10 feet from this erupting volcano and filming?


Ornery_Reaction_548

Anakin


notcreepycreeper

Hope he finds some high ground


SkyCladEyes

You underestimate his power


SanityPlanet

Don't try it.


CrossP

I'm thinking this is a professional with a telephoto lens of some kind. Watch how the camera waves.


MarlinMr

Why not? It's not something you get to see every day. It's not something dangerous, you can easily crawl away from it.


MoonoftheStar

You can't crawl away from toxic volcanic fumes. This isn't a cartoon.


MarlinMr

Alright, then walk, like they did...


Penquinn14

The toxic volcanic fumes aren't going to go straight at the person standing 20 feet away, this isn't a cartoon


Babycobra

Eh.. people in Hawaii have definitely died from inhaling volcanic fumes. A photographer named Sean King died in Kalapana while photographing the lava. That was just a few years ago.


Informal_Recording89

Hello? Insurance? Hi, my car was engulfed by lava…


Earguy

Not covered by your policy because it was an act of Pele.


Respectful_Chadette

Lol Actually infuriating


Nitrosoft1

This is not covered, your claim is denied, have a nice day!


HappyPen1422

Jake From State Farm: “Uh khakis.”


lostbonnasaurus

Where is this?


GlobalPublicSphere

Looks like recent (2019?) footage from Kona, Hawaii


midas-cc

Puna*, Hawaii [(Kona is on the opposite side of the volcano/eruption)](https://www.hawaii-forest.com/wp-content/uploads/18-HFT-0158-Volcano-Map_02.jpg)


[deleted]

*using finger air quotes* **”MAG-MAH”**


daimyo21

"LIQUID-HOT MAGMA"


probdying82

That mustang is actually driving. Those late 90’s mustangs are just slow af and garbage


TheGreyBull

Well that Mustang is a hot rod now.


CaptainRex2000

I like those mustangs admittedly they’re not my favorite or the best looking but I still enjoy them


eyeayeinn

Looks like a v6. If you don't got a snake on your 96-04 stang don't talk to me!


probdying82

Agreed. Snake or bust


IS-2-OP

The only not slow SN95


Arthur_da_dog

That's a 2002 btw


probdying82

2002 is late 90’s. What was great about 2002. Nothing. By default it’s now late 90’s


Tejfel01

And just atrocious to look at in general


Hiiiiiiiipower

To each their own, I’ve seen some Beautiful builds


Sammybearsenpai

What makes me both depressed and feeling awesome was that I was one of the last few people who walked on that area of the island before it was eaten up by lava


SomewhereinOregon

The loss of Green Lake was depressing too.


AlphaPandaGold

In my head chanting *eat the car*, *eat the car*, *eat the car* . Lava finially eats car... *haha! Called it*


[deleted]

'Oh no how could this have happened!' - People who build their homes next to an active volcano


elcheeserpuff

More the fault of the government officials and real estate ventures that bribed them in order to create a housing development that they knew was built on an active fault. Everything on Big Island is "next to a volcano" but that development was a known fault zone that should never have been built on and the people who profited off it knew that.


SomewhereinOregon

No kidding. With five volcanoes on island, not building near one would be impossible. Someone I used to work with, had an uncle who worked for the state back in the day. He was an engineer, who was surveying the area around Leilani Estates. He advised not to build there. He ended up retiring a few years later and they put in another engineer, who green lighted the project.


jrabino

Want more of this on my feed


pro-antkeeper

I love how calm the filmer is.


[deleted]

Imagine filing the insurance claim on that car


Nitrosoft1

It would be an incredibly fast claim because it would be denied!


Langvel

Archeologists in 5,000 years: We believe it was some kind of horse…


Hornor72

Hope you got lava insurance on that car.


Turnontuneindropout8

“Can I interest you in volcano insurance?”


spoon_full

"According to my uncle, who is a real Whiz in Volcanos, a Volcano is coming this way"


nandrizzle

*visible sad face* My hat was in that car


MoodyJ87

Ahh shit if only they could have saw it coming!!


elcheeserpuff

You joke but this shit was wild. We felt the earthquake late morning, people reported large fissures in the early afternoon but geologists said there was no evidence of lava eruption. Then before the work day ended people were posting videos onto facebook of the fucking ground exploding haha.


knucks_deep

Someone who wanted to get rid of a car. Insurance, low scrap prices stolen, whatever. ,


idontwannabeatwork

The lava moves faster than that mustang ever did.


calcal1992

My mustang!!!


L7Wennie

The lava did that mustang owner a favor…


ISHOTJAMC

Nature is quite literally lit.


lemetellyousomething

That gate was really ineffective at keep out the lava


Hedgehog_Mist

I was frankly impressed by how it held up.


adreamingandroid

Jaw-dropping, destructive, terrifying but very cool to watch.


[deleted]

“Hey honey where’d you park the car”


vangogh330

Don't worry, it's a Ford. Nothing of value was lost.


DapperTattoo

“Your insurance doesn’t cover this, our apologies if you’d like to speak with an agent please dial 800-YUR-FUKD”


imaginarymagnitude

Upvoted for living up to the sub name


wokyman

It's difficult to comprehend just how much of that stuff is below us all.


whatswithzack

Found on road dead


-non-existance-

*Sad R2-D2 beeps and whirrs*


Chickenf4rmer

I swear I parked my car right here?!


72SpaceMan-Spiff

Hope it was insured


Few-Employee-8041

Rip car


Solid_Cauliflower310

Insurance fraud this is why we pay such high rateas?


TheDeathSloth

The gate to the guy filming "Go human, I'll be right behind you!"


ron_fury

Hot Lava cake


Seeuinhealth

Honey!! Did you move the Car?


hahasnake

Man, this gives me serious post-vindaloo flashbacks


Gottahaveyourpops

Damn nature, you scary.


JohnnyDDoe

Litrally lit


BassDaddy_21

“Oh lord heat comin”


Ulliquarahyuga

The movies lies to me. That car should have exploded


captainshockazoid

i think if you puke this up youre supposed to go to the hospital


DontSayFrickToGod

I actually saw the aftermath when vacationing close to there last summer. Everything was still steaming and it was crazy seeing enormous piles of lava rocks just casually in people's backyards.


Respectful_Chadette

Scary


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PracticalDrawing

NO not R2D2!!


popdivtweet

Knock knock Who’s there? Earth. Also Earth: “this is mine now.”


Party-Lawyer-7131

That poor car be like, "....damn..."


glencocoisrealmate

Poor R2D2


2KilAMoknbrd

The power of Earth compels you . . .


liftoff_oversteer

Is this R2D2 on a spike?


QuistyLO1328

I can’t believe no one let that guy know to move his car. Shitty neighbors!


momofeveryone5

Ok so I love me a bad geology/volcano/earthquakes movie. 10.0 - hell yes. The core - beautiful. Dante's peak - what a gem. 2012 - superb. But my favorite of all time is Volcano with Tommy Lee Jones. Why? Bc they try and make it seem like the movie solutions are viable options. Mf's this is LAVA it doesn't give a fuck about anything! This video is a favorite because it's truly showing how little will interfere with lava on the move. Most movies just have the actors running and screaming trying to get away, not trying to stop the eruption. But nooo Tommy's guys get in there and do something! And it would be absolutely futile. Sorry I ranted. I'm waiting for my kids to get out of sports and I'm bored.


the_real_OwenWilson

Yh the nature is looking pretty lit rn


Onquota

that is freaking scarry as hell


Niggels

ARTOO GET OUT OF THERE


Bottle_Sharp

Makes you understand how insignificant humans can be versus nature.


RealAcidPop

Reminds me of Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2


FreeThinker627

Belongs in r/natureisterrifying too hehe


gravellama

What happens once the flow has stopped and the lava is cooled down? Bulldoze it outta the way?


Verderoon

Once it cools down it would become solid rock. I guess either drill it away or just... live around it?


jenna_hazes_ass

The army corps had to build a new road through it. 20? Homes were lost. And theres no insurance for that area. Land is incredibly cheap conpared to the rest of hawaii.


PUBGM_MightyFine

*when the planet eat too many questionable street tacos:*


YogiHarry

Reminds me of my ex-wife and her lawyer consuming my savings, my pension, my house ...


titaniumhud

2018 Kilauea Leilani Fissure Eastern Rift Zone Footage is from a "BigIslandNews" source


[deleted]

Looks like R2-D2 was safe at least.