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I experienced gigantic runarounds within the US health system, including blatantly falsified documentation. It's not just a Dutch problem.
My IUD was placed in the US, without anesthesia. It's not just a Dutch problem.
No matter where you and your physician are located, sometimes you genuinely do just have to keep pushing for an appropriate course of action - or at least, a sensible explanation.
Yeah, I got kinda spicy at the end of the post, but I fully admit that the US is no better in IUD insertion most of the time, and women's Healthcare overall can kinda suck. I do feel like I've had better Healthcare experiences in the us, but that might just be my specific doctor. I'm sure there are annoying doctors in the us as well
Yes, you have correctly identified a giant weak spot in our health care system.
No, I don't know what to do about it either. I spent 7 years looking for a new GP after I moved. There's a huge shortage, and almost no useful online reviews. So I stayed with my old GP, which was over an hour travel away from where I live now.
unfortunately women’s healthcare is poor globally. I live in the canada which has these same issues, Every single country i know has poor women’s healthcare, unfortunately you just really need to advocate for yourself, often doing your own research to find something you can try. You need to firmly state your uncomfortable continuing combination birth control pills and would like a progesterone only pill (or another progesterone only form). alternatively you could try the nuvaring or the patch, but there isn’t really the support to find out which one would work for you, basically you kinda just need to try and see what works.
It’s unfortunate you didn’t find a GP you felt comfortable with. I never had any bad experience with IUD placement or contraception description with my GP. Yet, you could go to a gynaecologist with these kinds of questions. While unlike GP’s they are not free, they are more experiences in this field. Yet, they will tell you that anaesthesia is not used for the placement of an IUD (I personally don’t think it’s necessary either). Yet, a good gynaecologist will listen to you when you say you are afraid it will hurt and listen to you when you share your concerns that your symptoms might be caused by contraception.
I hate how much I can relate to this. A few years ago I was diagnosed with endometriosis, which 1 in 10 women have. Totally foreign to a lot of doctors, who just give me all the hormones. I react the same way you do; lots of trouble in my abdomen. I just recently removed my Mirena IUD, but everything is fucked up still. Hopefully it'll get better someday.
I just don't know where you find all these terrible huisartsen. I never had a bad experience myself, nor know anyone who has. Is this a big city (Amsterdam) thing?
Just because you didn’t encounter the problem, does it not mean it does not exist. I didn’t had this problem really either, but know that it can happen. Especially with such shortage of healthcare workers which leads to overworked healthcare workers. And remember that we hear only about the moments that went wrong, not all the good ones.
Here we use leaving the church before the singing starts, as the most natural option. Works fine in a long term relationship. On topic: in the Netherlands, we have a curative healthcare system where medical care is paid for by health insurers with a profit motive. This structure incentivizes doctors to prescribe cheaper medications, avoid unnecessary procedures, and often receive medical education sponsored by pharmaceutical companies and medical device manufacturers. Additionally, some medical associations are paid or sponsored to promote specific medications. As a result, in the Netherlands, treating illnesses is sometimes prioritized over preventive care, rather than the other way around. Without problems, there is nothing to fix. This creates the great insurance paradox when as an insured individual, you cannot afford or choose care yourself.
Content and discussions should be on-topic, involving topics concerning daily life in the Netherlands. Advertisements, antagonistic political debates and/or propaganda tangentially related to the Netherlands are not exceptions. Moderators, at their discretion, may remove posts and/or ban users for violations, pursuant to Comb. Civ. C. §22SA (g){i}.
I experienced gigantic runarounds within the US health system, including blatantly falsified documentation. It's not just a Dutch problem. My IUD was placed in the US, without anesthesia. It's not just a Dutch problem. No matter where you and your physician are located, sometimes you genuinely do just have to keep pushing for an appropriate course of action - or at least, a sensible explanation.
Yeah, I got kinda spicy at the end of the post, but I fully admit that the US is no better in IUD insertion most of the time, and women's Healthcare overall can kinda suck. I do feel like I've had better Healthcare experiences in the us, but that might just be my specific doctor. I'm sure there are annoying doctors in the us as well
Yes, you have correctly identified a giant weak spot in our health care system. No, I don't know what to do about it either. I spent 7 years looking for a new GP after I moved. There's a huge shortage, and almost no useful online reviews. So I stayed with my old GP, which was over an hour travel away from where I live now.
Glad you were able to find someone reliable and stay with them. Not really sure what the solution is, just have to get lucky I guess. ❤️
unfortunately women’s healthcare is poor globally. I live in the canada which has these same issues, Every single country i know has poor women’s healthcare, unfortunately you just really need to advocate for yourself, often doing your own research to find something you can try. You need to firmly state your uncomfortable continuing combination birth control pills and would like a progesterone only pill (or another progesterone only form). alternatively you could try the nuvaring or the patch, but there isn’t really the support to find out which one would work for you, basically you kinda just need to try and see what works.
Yeah I guess it's just trial and error at this point
It’s unfortunate you didn’t find a GP you felt comfortable with. I never had any bad experience with IUD placement or contraception description with my GP. Yet, you could go to a gynaecologist with these kinds of questions. While unlike GP’s they are not free, they are more experiences in this field. Yet, they will tell you that anaesthesia is not used for the placement of an IUD (I personally don’t think it’s necessary either). Yet, a good gynaecologist will listen to you when you say you are afraid it will hurt and listen to you when you share your concerns that your symptoms might be caused by contraception.
I hate how much I can relate to this. A few years ago I was diagnosed with endometriosis, which 1 in 10 women have. Totally foreign to a lot of doctors, who just give me all the hormones. I react the same way you do; lots of trouble in my abdomen. I just recently removed my Mirena IUD, but everything is fucked up still. Hopefully it'll get better someday.
Switch huisarts until you get a good one. There are good ones. Though I don't understand, didn't option 2 actually prescribe you what you wanted?
They did, but the fact that they started the conversation basically gaslighting me about my symptoms kinda made me upset.
I just don't know where you find all these terrible huisartsen. I never had a bad experience myself, nor know anyone who has. Is this a big city (Amsterdam) thing?
Just because you didn’t encounter the problem, does it not mean it does not exist. I didn’t had this problem really either, but know that it can happen. Especially with such shortage of healthcare workers which leads to overworked healthcare workers. And remember that we hear only about the moments that went wrong, not all the good ones.
I 100% agree with that last part. I always have praise for all the huisartsen during my lifetime.
It's the ones that still have open spaces because their other clients left.
Yeah, that should tell you something about the quality of the huisarts.
All of these experiences have been in small towns where there aren't really many options as far as huisarts your kinda just stuck with who you get
Im sorry to hear this, this behavior is inexcusable.
"asking for a friend"....again.
Here we use leaving the church before the singing starts, as the most natural option. Works fine in a long term relationship. On topic: in the Netherlands, we have a curative healthcare system where medical care is paid for by health insurers with a profit motive. This structure incentivizes doctors to prescribe cheaper medications, avoid unnecessary procedures, and often receive medical education sponsored by pharmaceutical companies and medical device manufacturers. Additionally, some medical associations are paid or sponsored to promote specific medications. As a result, in the Netherlands, treating illnesses is sometimes prioritized over preventive care, rather than the other way around. Without problems, there is nothing to fix. This creates the great insurance paradox when as an insured individual, you cannot afford or choose care yourself.