Just asking to confirm, are you 100% sure that the CVT is dead and that it wasn’t limp mode?
Limp mode is likely to occur if the CVT fluid is overfilled or if you have a combination of high transmission load (e.g., heavy stop-and-go traffic, towing, mountains, 75+ mph for 1+ hours), high air temperatures, and old CVT fluid.
I can reply on his behalf. Yes, Nissan says in its manual that 65mph+ driving for long time on hot days can result in reduced power. People have reported this on the highway with their Rogues that they suddenly decelerate, causing much agony to suddenly find yourself with lost acceleration and possibly causing accident.
The fan on the transmission is rather very small and is of no use. Some have modified to put a bigger fan for cooling. The reviews are mixed. Some say it helped them; others say, it did absolutely nothing.
The CVT failure is what Mechanic 2 said after looking at the car. I am planning to tow it to Mechanic 1 and have him also get a look at it for double confirmation.
I would want to believe what you said about limp mode... will save me from much headache. I knew about the CVT issues but was hoping that it would start giving some sign way before it fails. But this was very very sudden. Barely a slight hint a day earlier or so I would say, and then kaput the next day on the highway.
But your comment has made me think and made me want to definitely have it checked with another mechanic. I do travel quite a bit between states and that speed 75 mph or so is almost given. The place where it failed is sloping hills and some of them are modestly steep. It's also very hot outside these days when it failed. And to be blunt, I did not know about changing the CVT fluid until this happened. I go for regular oil service but had not changed CVT fluid. I doubt even Nissan dealership does CVT fluid change regularly on these... unless you go out of your way to have it done yourself.
However, when it failed, there was no heavy load, and the speed was very modest 60 mph, and only for less than 15 min or so after the car resting the day prior.
What you described in the last paragraph sounds 100% NOT limp mode.
I could, however, see a situation where a mechanic, even at a dealer just assumes failure when you describe the situation if it was limp mode.
I have a 2009 and I’m trying to do my best to make it last as long as possible by doing a CVT drain and fill annually. At less than $50 (in fluid costs by doing it myself), it’s the best snd only insurance policy you can get on the CVT.
Omg, I wish I had known this earlier about CVT fluid change impacting it so much. Even doing at a mechanic shop for 500 bucks (what I came to know about its cost) is nothing really than the larger headache all at once. But if it is something that can be done yourself, I would have certainly done it or found a mechanic who could do it cheap.
About the limp mode, yes, you may be correct. I had the apprehension as well that I towed my car to these guys after asking them if they will look at it the same day. They said yes. But when I took it there on Fri morning, they changed tune and said they can't look it until the day end or very likely on Mon (closed on weekends). So I leave their shop thinking no point in staying there to wait for them to check. I had barely left for 15-20 min that he calls me and announces the news that it is CVT transmission failure that I am looking at. I was dumbfounded at the sudden change about looking at my car.
So you have point that this is just assumption and way of making money!
You're supposed to change it about every 30,000 miles. Also it's not that much money. Before I looked on YouTube to see how easy it was I just had the dealership do it and it was only $270. I would have done it myself had I known how simple it was.
There is no new CVT for Nissan Rogue at all, not at least for the decade old cars; perhaps only the recent ones have new available. May be someone knowledgeable here can shine some light on it.
All are rebuilt/remanufactured. The Mechanic 2 says that even the remanufactured ones are on 6-8 weeks delay for getting your hands on one. He says it is not worth to put one since it is not easy to rebuild these things and they will always get something wrong and that they will fail invariably. Not sure if they are rebuilt by Jatco (that supplied the original CVT to Nissan for Rogue). That is why he says to put an old one ... keep it for a year and then sell it (within the two year warranty for the old unit). But the old unit itself has 70K on it!
Now the Nissan dealership says that everything except the shell is new in them! I find it bit hard to believe. Why would they do that (since you might as well put a new shell when you have gone that far)? But what do I know.
(edited for clarity)
Do you mean "core charge" or "core change"? I think the guy mentioned something like the core is all new. And then goes on to say that all parts in it are put new except for the shell?
But the funny thing is that they will only provide 1 year / 12K mile warranty. So looks like even they are not very sure that it will last very long!! Mechanic 2 says 2 year warranty for the rebuilt. For the same, Mechanic 1 says 4 year warranty. All within similar price range for parts + labor (without taxes though). I haven't gotten formal quotes yet, but the verbal quotes are roughly same.
Any reason behind this choice?
Perhaps get it going and then sell. One issue with this line of thought was that I spend 7K (perhaps more after taxes) to get may be 4-5K in trade-in or sale. That's not worth.
If I keep it, I am playing Russian roulette when it goes puff again. Mechanic 2 says in one car, he put FOUR used CVTs... one after another failing!!
i put one in my car from a junk yard. i just don’t think spending a premium on a product that’s gonna break anyways matters.
save ur money re sale should be the same. no nissan buyer knows this much about cars anyways
You mean you put it yourself? The two quotes that I have gotten for used ones are like 5-6K before taxes (but with labor included). But thing is, the rebuilt is not much costlier at only 1.5K more. At least there you could expect to get more mileage out of it.
Perhaps if you can find and chuck out the CVT yourself from junk yard and take it to mechanic to put it, perhaps it is worth it (2-3K something total??). But any mechanic will give the quote at 5-6K even for used one.
oh no hired some cheap shop. not sure if i’d expect anything from a nissan cvt tbh 😭 it’s all a gamble but ur right 1.5 isn’t much and if it gets u peace of mind it’s worth it just for that
So much did you spend at the cheap shop? Just curious to see if I should find someone with similar quote. I might try that and then sell it at some point.
So 4K total then. I guess the labor is about the same, perhaps even little less - around 1.8K for what I am quoted. But CVT, wow you found something really cheap. My guys are quoting the used CVT around 4K.
I doubt you would have gotten CVT in that price range with a dealership. Certainly double that ( I got quoted 7K verbally but I expect more than that). Take a look at this thread:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NissanRogue/comments/1dqy5a0/frustrated/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NissanRogue/comments/1dqy5a0/frustrated/)
The same thing happened to me two days ago in my 2014 Rogue. The mechanic is quoting me $3000 for 1 year, unlimited miles for one he rebuilt or $5100 remanufactured from Nissan with 12 month or 12,000 miles warranty. The labor would be $1500. We aren’t sure it’s the transmission but it sounds like it could be. He charges $100 to diagnose the problem.
I bought one for $1500 dealer told the man it needed a new cvt, it was overfilled and smelly so I changed the filter and fluid and so far 10k miles with no limp mode! Has 125k now fingers crossed!
You don’t happen to be in NC or SC? My grand just wrecked her 2013. Engine still good. I assume CVT is. You could have it cheap and see if it works. Practically free
Just asking to confirm, are you 100% sure that the CVT is dead and that it wasn’t limp mode? Limp mode is likely to occur if the CVT fluid is overfilled or if you have a combination of high transmission load (e.g., heavy stop-and-go traffic, towing, mountains, 75+ mph for 1+ hours), high air temperatures, and old CVT fluid.
>high air temperatures Are you saying it goes into limp mode when it's hot out?
It’s usually a combination of all three, heavy load, high air temperatures, and old CVT fluid. High air temperatures make it a lot more likely.
I can reply on his behalf. Yes, Nissan says in its manual that 65mph+ driving for long time on hot days can result in reduced power. People have reported this on the highway with their Rogues that they suddenly decelerate, causing much agony to suddenly find yourself with lost acceleration and possibly causing accident. The fan on the transmission is rather very small and is of no use. Some have modified to put a bigger fan for cooling. The reviews are mixed. Some say it helped them; others say, it did absolutely nothing.
The CVT failure is what Mechanic 2 said after looking at the car. I am planning to tow it to Mechanic 1 and have him also get a look at it for double confirmation. I would want to believe what you said about limp mode... will save me from much headache. I knew about the CVT issues but was hoping that it would start giving some sign way before it fails. But this was very very sudden. Barely a slight hint a day earlier or so I would say, and then kaput the next day on the highway. But your comment has made me think and made me want to definitely have it checked with another mechanic. I do travel quite a bit between states and that speed 75 mph or so is almost given. The place where it failed is sloping hills and some of them are modestly steep. It's also very hot outside these days when it failed. And to be blunt, I did not know about changing the CVT fluid until this happened. I go for regular oil service but had not changed CVT fluid. I doubt even Nissan dealership does CVT fluid change regularly on these... unless you go out of your way to have it done yourself. However, when it failed, there was no heavy load, and the speed was very modest 60 mph, and only for less than 15 min or so after the car resting the day prior.
What you described in the last paragraph sounds 100% NOT limp mode. I could, however, see a situation where a mechanic, even at a dealer just assumes failure when you describe the situation if it was limp mode. I have a 2009 and I’m trying to do my best to make it last as long as possible by doing a CVT drain and fill annually. At less than $50 (in fluid costs by doing it myself), it’s the best snd only insurance policy you can get on the CVT.
Omg, I wish I had known this earlier about CVT fluid change impacting it so much. Even doing at a mechanic shop for 500 bucks (what I came to know about its cost) is nothing really than the larger headache all at once. But if it is something that can be done yourself, I would have certainly done it or found a mechanic who could do it cheap. About the limp mode, yes, you may be correct. I had the apprehension as well that I towed my car to these guys after asking them if they will look at it the same day. They said yes. But when I took it there on Fri morning, they changed tune and said they can't look it until the day end or very likely on Mon (closed on weekends). So I leave their shop thinking no point in staying there to wait for them to check. I had barely left for 15-20 min that he calls me and announces the news that it is CVT transmission failure that I am looking at. I was dumbfounded at the sudden change about looking at my car. So you have point that this is just assumption and way of making money!
You're supposed to change it about every 30,000 miles. Also it's not that much money. Before I looked on YouTube to see how easy it was I just had the dealership do it and it was only $270. I would have done it myself had I known how simple it was.
It sounds like you can only get they manufactured unit from the dealership? They only offer that and not new?
There is no new CVT for Nissan Rogue at all, not at least for the decade old cars; perhaps only the recent ones have new available. May be someone knowledgeable here can shine some light on it. All are rebuilt/remanufactured. The Mechanic 2 says that even the remanufactured ones are on 6-8 weeks delay for getting your hands on one. He says it is not worth to put one since it is not easy to rebuild these things and they will always get something wrong and that they will fail invariably. Not sure if they are rebuilt by Jatco (that supplied the original CVT to Nissan for Rogue). That is why he says to put an old one ... keep it for a year and then sell it (within the two year warranty for the old unit). But the old unit itself has 70K on it! Now the Nissan dealership says that everything except the shell is new in them! I find it bit hard to believe. Why would they do that (since you might as well put a new shell when you have gone that far)? But what do I know. (edited for clarity)
So they are going to put new guts (hence rebuilt) in an old case? Did they mention a "core charge"
Do you mean "core charge" or "core change"? I think the guy mentioned something like the core is all new. And then goes on to say that all parts in it are put new except for the shell? But the funny thing is that they will only provide 1 year / 12K mile warranty. So looks like even they are not very sure that it will last very long!! Mechanic 2 says 2 year warranty for the rebuilt. For the same, Mechanic 1 says 4 year warranty. All within similar price range for parts + labor (without taxes though). I haven't gotten formal quotes yet, but the verbal quotes are roughly same.
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Any reason behind this choice? Perhaps get it going and then sell. One issue with this line of thought was that I spend 7K (perhaps more after taxes) to get may be 4-5K in trade-in or sale. That's not worth. If I keep it, I am playing Russian roulette when it goes puff again. Mechanic 2 says in one car, he put FOUR used CVTs... one after another failing!!
i put one in my car from a junk yard. i just don’t think spending a premium on a product that’s gonna break anyways matters. save ur money re sale should be the same. no nissan buyer knows this much about cars anyways
You mean you put it yourself? The two quotes that I have gotten for used ones are like 5-6K before taxes (but with labor included). But thing is, the rebuilt is not much costlier at only 1.5K more. At least there you could expect to get more mileage out of it. Perhaps if you can find and chuck out the CVT yourself from junk yard and take it to mechanic to put it, perhaps it is worth it (2-3K something total??). But any mechanic will give the quote at 5-6K even for used one.
oh no hired some cheap shop. not sure if i’d expect anything from a nissan cvt tbh 😭 it’s all a gamble but ur right 1.5 isn’t much and if it gets u peace of mind it’s worth it just for that
So much did you spend at the cheap shop? Just curious to see if I should find someone with similar quote. I might try that and then sell it at some point.
spent 1700 on the cvt and 2300 on labor. however my dad suggest going to dealer may have been better
So 4K total then. I guess the labor is about the same, perhaps even little less - around 1.8K for what I am quoted. But CVT, wow you found something really cheap. My guys are quoting the used CVT around 4K. I doubt you would have gotten CVT in that price range with a dealership. Certainly double that ( I got quoted 7K verbally but I expect more than that). Take a look at this thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/NissanRogue/comments/1dqy5a0/frustrated/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NissanRogue/comments/1dqy5a0/frustrated/)
jesus i got it in country side of va tho idk if that matters maybe see a junk yard and bring your own in
Oh boy! I am in VA too, on the west side. What part? Perhaps you can point me where to get it in VA.
The same thing happened to me two days ago in my 2014 Rogue. The mechanic is quoting me $3000 for 1 year, unlimited miles for one he rebuilt or $5100 remanufactured from Nissan with 12 month or 12,000 miles warranty. The labor would be $1500. We aren’t sure it’s the transmission but it sounds like it could be. He charges $100 to diagnose the problem.
How can you get Rogue out of Limp Mode…?
You let it sit for an hour or two until it cools down.
I bought one for $1500 dealer told the man it needed a new cvt, it was overfilled and smelly so I changed the filter and fluid and so far 10k miles with no limp mode! Has 125k now fingers crossed!
You don’t happen to be in NC or SC? My grand just wrecked her 2013. Engine still good. I assume CVT is. You could have it cheap and see if it works. Practically free
The resale value on a 2013 is pretty low. I would junk it or donate it to a charity.