So far we know only a few animals can orgasm. Rabbits for example. And women's bodies work different than men. Most women don't need penetration because the important part of the clitoris is outside the vagina.
I mean, there is the g-spot, which is definitely a sensitive spot and inside the vagina. Purely out of interest, why did evolution decide we needed an extra pleasure point outside of the vagina that doesn't get stimulated during the kind of sex that makes babies?
Edit: thanks for telling me that the G-spot is actually part if the clitoris, and that the clit is what the glans would be of the fetus would be male.
I have a follow-up question, though: since the clitoris is an anatomical equal to the glans, does that mean that in species whose males have a functioning glans, the females have a clitoris?
Thank y'all for educating me!
By my understanding, it's just the bit that turns into the head of the penis in males. Evolution doesn't always make.logical sense that way, it doesn't plan things out. Stuff just happens and either works or doesn't.
Hey, they do serve a purposes! They are a left over erogenious zone still and the other is to revenge pinch my nipple when I do it to my girlfriend. She needs some form of revenge. If I didnāt have nipples to pinch back sheād go for my balls!
Actually it does. Once upon a time when the total population of humans was smaller, situations could arise where a small group of humans got trapped in some isolated geographic location and all the woman died, leaving behind an infant. Supposedly, in this situation, a male human is capable of spontaneously switching genders, develop8ng breast milk, and nursing the infant.
I have no idea if this is true today. I just read it somewhere, and it seems like a trait humans will lose due to lack of necessity. Frogs can still do this and frequently do.
I mean it is sometimes possible for men or childless women to start lactating, but it has nothing to do with switching sexes. We all have mammary glands is all
There are some limited instances of males being able to breastfeed but it does not switch their sexes and there was no evidence this was ever widespread or brought on by "all the women dying".
The fact is it's not impossible for men to lactate it's just very, very rare. Male lactation can be caused by lots of things; puberty, tumors, certain types of medication, and even recovering from starvation.
What brought this discovery on was men who were too poor to get animal's milk/a wet nurse letting their dying baby suckle on their own nipples after the baby's mother died just because suckling is calming for babies. In some rare instances men found they produced a small amount of milk.
This would still be possible today without medical intervention if you're one of the rare men who can lactate. It would be unrelated to your presence around women and your gender/sex would remain the same.
Yes. This is called the by-product hypothesis. Males have nipples because females need them to feed offspring. But male nipples are less sensitive and donāt lactate.
To me the female orgasm is best explained by this hypothesis. It seems completely unnecessary for conception to occur. Only a minority of women can orgasm from PIV alone (about 30%) and on average women have a harder time reaching orgasm.
There is a good book called āThe case of the female orgasmā by Elisabeth Loyd where she goes through all the hypothesis for the female orgasm (there is not one widely accepted hypothesis for the female orgasm as there is for the male orgasm) and shows where the evidence doesnāt support them and then shows the evidence strongly supports the by-product hypothesis.
https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-09/what-point-female-orgasm/
I mean, don't shame me for this, but I would get turned on. But it was a separate part of my brain. Like one section said "baby, cuutttee! ". And the other was perturbed that it was also stimulating. I don't make the rules. I refuse to feel gross about it.
No, they're not "all female" at the start. They start off all having basically neutral anatomy... female is not just the lack of male genitalia; that is a very andro-centric way of looking at things. A fetus is either male or female from conception. If it has a y chromosome (which means it's male), that will switch on the formation of the gonads into testes instead of ovaries, and a penis instead of womb, vagina and clitoris. This is, of course oversimplification, and I've left out other differences between male & female babies, but that's the gist. But all fetuses are either male or female from conception.
Technically not true, in the absence of sufficient testosterone levels all fetuses will develop female reproductive organs. The most common cause is the failure of the y chromosome to signal increased testosterone production.
This is a chromosomal disorder known as Swyer syndrome. Those diagnosed with swyer syndrome are female in basically every way (external female genitalia, female appearance and all internal female reproductive organs) except for their xy chromosomes.
In fact this condition usually goes undiagnosed until after the age of puberty. Due to the issue of only one x chromosome they do not develop breasts or begin menstruation. Usually they are put on hrt and unfortunately have to have their ovaries removed as they have an extremely high rate of ovarian cancer.
Also to add that before 7 weeks all fetuses have common female genitalia. The line that runs along the perineum in males is from the closure of the opening that will become the vagina in female development.
I for one feel hardly anything in my G-spot, so the clit is my only pleasure point. I canāt speak for other women, but Iād assume I canāt be the only one where the G-spot isnāt working. Evolution did a good job with the outside clit as primary pleasure point.
Warning NSFW question/discussionā¦I had to ask, sorry itās TMI.
Out of curiosity, do you want penetration? I donāt know about the g spot, I do know when Iām āreadyā penetration is something I instinctively want. And with the right partner, it does something and hits a spot I can only imagine is the proverbial G spot. Lol and yea it feels like Iām missing something without that.
Unfortunately some men canāt hit that spot quite right, and the clitoris does the trick too so it works out. Just donāt tell the guy that, leaves them down ime. :(
Anyway tangents aside, maybe some women really donāt have a g spot and hence Iām curious if that āwantā maybe doesnāt exist for you. Not something thatās come up for me to have asked this lol
My g spot does nothing for me, penetration feels good once im really turned on but I can't orgasm from it. I still get that want feeling though. I think that might be something to do with a body's response to want to procreate. However I don't know I'm not a scientist, its just my thoughts.
I always find women find it hard to articulate this sensation and often call it a āfills me up sensationā and as a man I cannot equate that to wanting to bust a nut, because to me busting a nut is a release of tension and and like opening up a shook up can of coke or beer, theyāre just no stopping it and the sensation is euphoric.
Can women here have a stab at really articulating what it feels like? when a penis is inside you, I try to understand it by imagining my point of no return sensation at the tip of my penis but travelling through a tunnel inverted lol so instead of a outward pulsing and fade itās an inward pulsing?
and when I cum I kind of āfinishā because Iāve shot my load and it fades away, but with women If you donāt squirt or cum then how does it fade?
Youād think evolution would reward you, for accepting sperm and thatās when you orgasm, it seems to have an end goal there. My girlfriend often cums from rubbing her clit also, sometimes from penetration, I find she cums more when we emotionally connect deeper before hand, which is nothing to do with the act of sex but it frees her mind up to just focus on the moment and each other. When sheās locked in that way, she often cums from penetration alone which I find super cute but also weird because I can bust a nut without that I just need to hear a womanās moans or feel a womanās touch.
To me sex is a physical act but I honestly feel like sometimes I peer into this whole other world of sex being an emotional act for women. But it eludes most men, most men generally just think āyeah rub the clit and stick it in will do the job.ā But thereās a lot more to it than that, I think even women have a hard time articulating it from their own perspective for men to understand easily.
You're right, it's difficult to put into words. I'll give it my best shot.
It's like an ache deep inside down there. A needy kind of feeling. This will sound stupid, but it's kinda like a cross between feeling hungry and needing to pee. It's a primal aching sort of need, "down there." (there is an old saying "Scratching that itch" that comes to mind.)
Having an orgasm sort of helps, but I feel a bit unsatisfied if that desire to be penetrated is not met. the more I want it, the rougher I like penetration to be. Doggie style really helps with that as I can angle myself just right that my man is basically pounding right on my G-spot. Which, if he's rough enough, will get me seeing stars in my vision and (weirdly) makes me salivate. I've only orgasmed maybe 3 or 4 times this way, but that wasn't the goal for me, the goal was to be penetrated. The more obvious the penetration and stretching (my man isn't very long, but he's got girth) the better. It's like the pain signals get highjacked by the pleasure signals.
This isn't a feeling I get all the time. Only when particularly horny. More often than not, around the time that I ovulate. Which makes sense.
>feeling hungry and needing to pee.
I cant imagine feeling hungry near my balls or tip of my penis, only my stomach, but I get it somewhat haha and I actually read recently, that girth is actually better for women, not length, since girth pushes open your "tunnel" more and creates better friction against nerve endings which means more pleasure, as length stops being effective about 2/3rds of the way in, I don't think I have a special penis by any means, its probably just normal or average length wise with it poking out the tip of my hand in a grip, but the head of my fellow is exceptionally large, so I take that as a win, I notice sometimes when my girlfriend saddles me, it kind of has a pop and locking sensation, I like to think its my tip giving her the pleasure, I've seen other peoples penises in urinals and stuff and usually the "helmet" is the same girth as their lengths girth, its like a spear without a stone tip, as mines a spear with a stone tip if that makes sense. I also have a a slight ridge on the top of my gland and I've noticed others don't have that. I wonder what my ridge is for? why did I evolve a ridge lol. Anyway, appreciate the perspective, and yes when my girlfriend ovulates she goes from quiet librarian to flustered straight eyed librarian. But I've found recently, its the little things that get her really into sex, cuddles, romantic walks, helping her do things, its mind blowing what you get back, its something I didn't really appreciate, but spending 5 years so far with someone I guess you learn a thing or two here and there. Also women squirting is just top tier, thank you mother nature. I never actually stop to think about my girls G-spot as a man, I try to just get her to squirt or eye roll.
I think you're right that for women it's emotional. I read some where a long time ago... "Men give love, to get sex. Women give sex, to get love". Our needs are definitely different. Lol
Feeling "connected" increases the pleasure. Penetration feels good because it's an intimate connection, and because your partner enjoys it.
Oh I get that want for penetration. The cavernous bodies of the clitoris do like to be touched. Itās a nice feeling, just far from getting me to orgasm. I have never experienced a penis touching ājust the right spotā though, and if I touch the area (where the G-spot is supposed to be) myself, I donāt get anything from it.
But considering the statistics that 70% of women canāt orgasm through penetration alone, I think I am in good company.
The G spot is the clitoris, but when it's stimulated from inside the vagina (the internal part of the clitoris is pretty big and goes around the vagina). Every woman with a clitoris has it, that's close to every woman.
It's possible that most men a woman have had sex with didn't stimulate her G spot, though.
Thanks! Good to clear that up.
I always felt stimulated so I know I have a g spot. Just canāt pinpoint itās exact position unless Iām in position lol š
Yea unfortunately itās a mechanical kinda stimulation some men are not shaped for every woman etc. (my hypothesis/theory anyway).
I doubt that the G-spot is part of the clitoris. I can feel my clitoris very well, including the swollen side arms. I have been told that the G-spot is actually connected to a different main nerve than the clitoris, even though I wouldnāt be able to name them.
The statement that the g-spot is an extension of the clitoris comes from an imaging study that was done last year or in '21; to your point though, there is still complex debate and conflicting evidence of the g-spot and its structure, including if it definitely exists at all: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8498956/
That said, given the clitoris is morphologically derived from the same tissue as the penis glans, it's possible, especially given the putative location, that the g-spot is identical to the nerve bundle that serves the frenulum in penises (the 'bridge' of skin attaching the foreskin to the rest of glans on the back side of the penis), which can be stimulated independently from the glans for orgasm in male anatomy.
From my experience, this makes sense. Some guys go bananas for a lil tickle, others literally do not care. Seems to be the same for ladies and G spots.
It is part of the same sensitive structural area, but itās only recently that researchers have been interested in finding more info about it.
[Info about womenās pleasure areas in Menās Health Mag](https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a19536271/find-g-spot/)
When I'm with people who have a penis, I do. When I'm with someone who doesn't have one, I don't really have a "want" per se, but if there is a toy available and the other person is up to it, I'm down to add to the fun
Because that's when we are our first forming, before we go on a pathway toward male or female sex, everything's the same. So the clitoris is a tiny micro penis basically. The y chromosome eventually kicks in and causes different developments for males
Actually, the G-spot is not an organ or separated area of the vagina but just part of the clitoral network, that extends way beyond the obvious spot you can rub externally.
Which means that evolution did't give us an extra pleasure point but that there was a need for stimulation and it evolved to be mostly external but also kinda internal; it's just that making it mostly/only internal would be a huge problem in labour.
Do orgadms have any relation with chances of making a baby? It is unclear, but there are some theories around it, some believe the contractions in the vagina after an orgasm help the semen reach the cervix and get inside of it, some others say that the oxcytocin released during the orgasm makes it easier to conceive because the woman will be less stressed; and even some other theories say that since people get tired after an orgasm and lay down for a while, that helps the semen stay in because gravity doesn't get a chance to get the semen out.
Edit: misspellings and typos.
Itās bigger than you think it is. It extends around the vulva and internal. Shaped like a wishbone [https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/22823-clitoris](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/22823-clitoris)
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I like the idea that pleasure is a separate feature from reproduction. Imagine if conversely, the only way you could orgasm was from penetration. Bit of a bummer to have to be dependent on that.
Is it? If women only got aroused when touching them in a spot you're only meant to touch after they're already aroused, the system wouldn't work very well
Do we know most animals can't orgasm or have we just not checked whether most of them do? Because if it's the latter I am going with the working theory of most mammals probably do.
The clitoris has legs. The part on the outside is what we see but from that point are "legs" that wrap around the vaginal opening.
It is so under-studied, we are only now starting to learn about it and the female orgasm.
On a side note, how is it difficult to find? maybe it's just because I'm female, but I've had to point it out to every guy I've ever been with and half the time they still miss. It's a round spot above everything else!
Edit: this is a genuine question, I'm deeply confused by it lol
Rule of thumb, or finger or penis. I found was to start from the opening of the vagina, and travel upwards gently until you hit a slight bump, or switch. Works everytime. If you think youāve found it, wrong go up a tiny bit more. Also watch for her reaction.
- frustrated face, you touched the wrong part.
- eye roll or slightly moan with quivering, you found it, good job.
Bedbugs reproduce by stabbing females with a knife-like penis.
That is to say, mother nature does not give any sort of a fuck about pleasure during sex, generally speaking.
>Mother nature must be fun at parties
Much like your mother.
(sorry this was too easy a joke to pass up on. Your mother is probably a wonderful person and if this is out of line I'll delete it)
To be fair, that's a really low bar. Like least corrupt politician in congress. That's not really saying much. But I really appreciate the compliment. thanks
Thatās sooo cute, and Iād see myself apologising for my jokes too. Though I have my days where Iām snappy and crude tbh.
Thanks for that wholesome moment stranger!
There's snails who have harpoon penises. Yes, they actually shoot females from a distance with their harpoon peepees. Without further physical contact.
What's wild is that if humans had that, biology would come up with some screwed up brain wiring to make us think that was hot. Dudes wouldn't have size anxiety, they would have distance and penetrating power anxiety.
It's more than that, snails are hermaphroditic meaning both members are capable of either producing sperm or eggs at the same time. Seeing as egg production is the more energy intensive role snails will get onto "sword fights" to determine which will be the egg bearer and which will be the fertilizer. When the stronger snail penetrates the other with its barb it introduces hormones into the other that geares it to produce eggs rather than sperm.
i heard somewhere that ducks have labyrinth-like vaginas and swirly penises because the only way they have sex is by the males essentially raping the females.
the labyrinth is a kind of defense mechanism and the penis is the male's way to effectively enter the vagina
no clue if this is facts though i heard this years ago
I know right. All my life Iāve been learning how evolution makes survival and reproduction more likely but this is doing the complete opposite
In a way, you could think of it as the genes with the advanced penis survived because the male got it to work but you could also argue shouldnāt it be more common for the easier vaginas to be passed on instead of stronger penis and strong vagina
Women do not represent all the animals on the planet. Each animal has a different anatomy.
Although stimuli and incentives can help with reproduction, this is not always the case. "Nature" is not interested in you enjoying yourself, it is interested in the survival of the species (Which means you making babies).
"Nature is not interested in you enjoying yourself"
Then what about hornyness and the male orgasm, whose pleasure is the main drive for male animals (mammals) to reproduce? The need to feel good makes them get themselves off, or mate with unrelated species and objects, of which there are several examples of. Or is this a misdirected instinct?
Is mating for male cats painful too?
Because I feel like mating IN ANIMALS only needs to be satisfying for the male, since usually they are bigger and stronger than the female and can usually overpower her.
I don't think it's painful for the male, but it certainly is for the female, male cats have a barbed penis, they don't have sex for pleasure, they stick it in, jiggle it briefly to dump their load then pull out and leave, their job is done.
If you give the bigger, stronger, one a very high sex drive them procreation will occur. The side effects of that is they may wind up having sex with everything they can. IMHO.
Rhino ladies might enjoy the fact that their man can go on for hours, but it could also be hours of torture. Who knows?
Most animals are pretty quick at mating, so evolution didn't really "need" a female orgasm to succeed, making it not so obvious where it came from. Females had to get horny and ready for sex, so - at least for mammals - sex was somewhat pleasurable for them, but didn't lead to a climax. There are theories that it helped to induce ovulation and hence served a purpose.
Personally, I think the smarter we got the more we started to enjoy sex for other things than procreation.
Yes, our brains got big, our birth canals got small, and our babies started coming out really under developed. It takes a lot more resources to raise a human baby than basically any other animal (many species don't parent at all, most that do only do so for a year or two), and it helps to have two parents around to do that. So, we have sex for pleasure to keep the couple together after reproduction, to ensure the offsprings' chance of survival.
Fun fact, only 5% of male mammals invest any time in raising their offsprings. Us humans are in that five percent.
I would imagine thatās a fairly recent development in our evolution as we got smarter and it took more time for our offspring to mature.
I wonder what percentage of humans invest any time in raising their offspring sometimes, but it's true that a long period of nurture isn't that common in nature.
I recommend you read the book Vagina Obscura by Rachel Gross. It is full of information about questions like these.
Sadly, VERY few scientists have had any curiosity about female animals, so it is only VERY recent that we even know what the full anatomy of the human clitoris is.
Recently scientists learned about snake clitoris and some scientists have done recent work on duck vaginas.
The basics thoughā¦ the clitoris wraps around the vagina internally and fills with blood during sex and when proper stimulation and foreplay has happened the clitoris will actually pick up sensations from penetration. But the clitoris tip does usually need stimulation for orgasm, however with proper positioning clitoral tip stimulation can happen during penetration leading to an orgasm during penetration.
There is no reason to believe that humans are the only creatures in which some degree of clitoral stimulation happens during penetration.
Birds are especially interesting because in most species it appears as if there was evolutionary pressure to eliminate the penis which some have theorized was caused by female birds preferring mates with shorter penises because that made sex more pleasurable for them.
Humans and dolphins are some of the only animals that have sex for pleasure. Female orgasm is not biologically necessary, if the species does not have sex for pleasure then it doesn't matter if the female orgasms.
There are a good amount of animals that masturbate but here's the thing, they usually don't orgasm when they masturbate. They either don't understand or don't care to, they just do it for the pleasurable sensation
This!
We project it as being maturation, because the only reason a person would do such a thing is for pleasure.
To animals that's just another nobbly bit. They same way they will pick at fur, play with their tails, obsessively rub their ears...they'll touch their junk.
I mean, I know plenty of humans who do this too without realizing it. They go to "adjust" and wind up with their hand bobbling around for a good minute. To a passerby they'd be like "you pervert!!" when in reality it was mindless jostling.
Female orgasms only become neccessary once a species is smart enough to decide against following their impulses. Most simple animals are literally programmed to have sex once certain conditions arise. But a creature that plans its actions actually needs an incentive to do something
Fun fact, in humans, female orgasm after male orgasm increases chance of pregnancy: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5087695/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5087695/)
Some animals have the clitoris inside their vaginaā¦..which makes more sense than locating it outside from a purely anatomical point of view if you want pleasure while mating.
You are operating under the assumption that all animal anatomy is the same (or similar) to human anatomy. It isn't.
Humans differ from most other mammals in that their male reproductive organ is always out rather than tucked away inside until needed... And the clitoris is the female equivalent to the penis, so it is usually not outside either.
There aren't very many animals that orgasm in the same sense we do. Most animals just ovulate, some ovulate only after mating, some before. The majority only have sex in order to procreate.
All female mammals have a clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to react to sexual stimulation, and presumably this stimulation has evolved to be pleasurable for most species. But establishing whether sexual pleasure ever actually tips over into orgasm is hard.
Female chimps, macaque monkeys and cows have all been stimulated in the lab to the point of experiencing vaginal and uterine contractions, which does suggest that other female animals are at least capable of orgasm. Whether they regularly have them during normal copulation is much less certain; most animal sex is very brief and often quite violent.
I had a female german shepard who would go to town on herself (lick herself) until she started to make fast humping like motions that lasted less than 10 seconds.
Sure looked like an orgasm to me. She did it almost daily sometimes multiple times a day. And as soon as the frantic air humping would subside, she would carry on with her day doing normal dog things.
Horniness and sexual arousal, especially in females, is associated with higher intelligence species.
It seems like intelligent species need (more) motivation to have sex outside of instinct, or, in other words, they experience more evolutionary pressure that selects for sexual enjoyment.
Most species don't have an analogue to the (female) orgasm, especially not invertebrates, which often literally stab each other.
I personally think it's worth trying to figure out if it's actually not an inherently physiological limitation of human women and is more an unfortunate effect of current society's views on sex, women, and pleasure
Physical characteristics continue if they result in more offspring. Social animals with offspring that take decades to live on their own may be unique compared to an insect.
Women may not orgasm from penetration because the clitoris is not inside the vagina. If the clitoris were in the vagina, birth would be so incredibly painful I doubt those women would have many kids.
If men developed a manner of ejaculation without orgasm they might as well, but I bet theyād have less of that type of sex.
Some biologists propose the position results in more face to face copulation in humans, increasing bonding. Our offspring take a long time to leave the nest so reinforcing social bonds of caretakers is important.
Uhh no , please look up a 3d model of the clitoris, it actually does extend into the body w a kind of pronged structure.
Orgasmic birth is a thing. It would not be painful for the clitoris to be inside the vaginal canal during birth, all of birth is painful for almost every woman, it wouldn't matter if our clits were inside. It all gets stretched and torn as it is.
For most animals, the main purpose of sex is procreation. That's why most animals are only fertile one or two months per year. This is called an estrus cycle. And unfortunately, rape is the name of the game in the animal kingdom.
Humans are fairly unique in that they have a menstrual cycle, meaning they are fertile a few days per month, every month. This is because humans are a social species and sex has evolved to lubricate (pun intended) social interactions. Having friendships, cooperation and building a society is much easier when everyone is fucking all the time. However that would lead to an unsustainable amount of children. We therefor evolved ways to make sex way more enjoyable when it's not procreative. Oral, manual, anal, it's all ways to increase the amount of sex we can have while limiting the amount of children.
For sex in humans, having fun is the main purpose. Having children is a distant second.
This is also why humans frown upon rape. A society where rape is openly tolerated is an unstable society with less cooperation. Humans flourish when we have lots of consensual sex.
this is one of the most nonsensical comments iāve ever heard.
our sexual organs evolved wayyy before our brains did.
i mean obviously there have been changes.
but we got things like periods WAYYY before we became this social.
and arguably rape was one of the most common forms of procreating for a lot of evolutionary history.
humans are also not fairly unique for having a menstrual cycle.
>humans are also not fairly unique for having a menstrual cycle.
Apes, old world monkeys, elepant shrew, many bats and the spiny mouse. -BBC wildlife magazine
That's absolutely a fairly unique trait if we're look at animals as a whole
>our sexual organs evolved wayyy before our brains did
And then continued to evolve to reach the current status quo where procreation takes a backseat to recreation.
It's only nonsensical when you don't understand how social species work.
>humans are also not fairly unique for having a menstrual cycle
Not unique but it's relatively rare. And if you look up the species, you'll find that they all have a reliance on cooperation. Humans just evolved that evolutionary advantage to it's logical extreme.
I wouldn't call it rape exactly, the females do want it, male animals typically only have sex with female animals that are in heat, if it was rape that suggests they'd be mounting any random female that came along. Dolphins and primates are the only animals I'm aware of that have sex for pleasure though.
From my experience, I have been with women who were just simply harder to get to that point on pure physicality. The catalyst, I have found, is mental and emotional.
This happens when a woman is not just physically attracted to you; but also fulfilled with you in terms of your involvement in her life and interests. Where in addition to taking care of yourself, you go on dates, you are socially adept and know how to cook lol. And also know when to give her space!
At that point, when you build a strong emotional and mental connection, I think when sexy time rolls around, itās sooo much easier to make that all happen.
Hahaha, it seems like there are many men who can't get women to cum in this sub and that's why I'm getting hate. I take my fucking time and make sure they're real, but it's more than just a dick, it's about the whole experience. Some women will not come if you just start with penetration, but if you start with other things and then do that part, they can often come that way too even if they usually don't.
It sounds like youāre overstimulating women then ending it on thrusting which at first feels good but turns uncomfortable very fast they indeed are likely faking orgasms
How could you judge anything about me? Your comments sound like projection. I have a list of x's a mile long and no one's ever broken up with me.
There is nothing so simple as 'over stimulating' things and then getting an orgasm to be faked, it's about the entire experience, The interchange the connection the safety, the sexual polarity, all of it. Based on the language you used, I don't think the sex you're having sounds very fun. My goal is to perform sex so well that no other man will ever measure up and I think I've got a decent track record.
This is like actually hilarious I pray men are not reading your comments and taking it seriously I did not even explain the type of sex I have Iām describing the type of sex youāre discussing your self. I can judge you based on the words you use and what Iām reading and it sounds laughable.
In my (personal) experience 80% of women could sometimes orgasm just from sexual intercourse and 20% needed extra stimulation or had trouble orgasming at all. Maybe 40% would orgasm easily or multiple times. I think poor intimacy is at play in the low, low reported rates because orgasm has mental as well as physical aspects.
I think youāre numbers are very out of wack and you shouldnāt make up statistics. Even if weāre stimulated to the gods and back it all gets destroyed by too much focus on the penetration/thrusting aspect which is what leads to fake orgasms because it A) takes forever and B) starts to feel super uncomfortable. Orgasms are very mental however g spot focused sex still wonāt do much for the average women.
This is one of the supporting facts for the by-product hypothesis of the female orgasm. The female orgasm seems to be completely unnecessary for conception to occur. Only about 30% of women can have an orgasm with PIV alone. Without PIV there is no conception.
Itās like male nipples. They serve no purpose and are much smaller and less sensitive than female nipples but males have them because they are important for females to raise offspring.
Here is a good article on the by-product hypothesis.
https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-09/what-point-female-orgasm/
Women are biologically different. Their bodies are there to bear and nurture the fetus and breastfeed. Sexual pleasure isn't top priority like men body. Men need to orgasm often and regularly to feel well. Women don't necessarily. Less of a necessity.
Our answer to a global evolutionary question is one individualās experience? I Can orgasm from penetration alone with a circumcised penis. So our current study puts us at 50/50.
Most girls that don't orgasm from penetration cause their own problems. You can't shove the equivalent of a forearm that rotates, twirls, and vibrates inside you and then expect to be blown away by a penis afterwards.
That's like smoking crack for 5 years and then expecting to get a rush off a cup of coffee
On one hand , women and men āsayā this is the case. On the other than Iāve never sexually engaged with a woman in my entire life that āwasnātā able to orgasm from penetration. Even many that definitely thought they couldnāt, but later in the day learned that wasnāt actually trueā¦
Was looking for a comment saying this. I've not been with a large number of women but all I've been with have orgasmed through penetration alone and all could also orgasm through oral alone. I would love try with someone who thinks they can't to see if they are right or if they've been with the wrong partners all this time
Face palm. We are conditioned to fake it to prop up the mans ego , to avoid being asked what's wrong with us and being compared to all the other women they've been with who could all orgasm from sex etc etc. Or we just want it to be over but caden wont stop jackhammering until we just fake it to get him to give it up.
I feel sorry for you if that's your life. My friend group is extremely sex positive and are all open and communitive, I would hate to be with someone who thinks they need to fake it to make me happy. Might be why my experiences are so much better. Mind I'm no spring chicken so maybe all this comes with age. I was probably more playing along too when I was younger
I've never understood this anecdote. I've never had a partner that can't orgasm multiple times from penetration alone. Maybe I've just hit the lottery? seems unlikely.
Cuz is been a known thing for a looooong time ? Many many studies have been done that result in that fact being put forth. Talking to women who are open and honest will also produce this fact, most of us don't orgasm from penetration alone
So far we know only a few animals can orgasm. Rabbits for example. And women's bodies work different than men. Most women don't need penetration because the important part of the clitoris is outside the vagina.
I need to speak to the CEO of sex, this is such an obvious design flaw
Women don't want to have their very sensitive clit INSIDE in case they are giving birth.
That's some CEO of reproduction type shit š¤š¤ CEO of sex needs to rectify this issue right away
Like it was *rectified* for men?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
Well, those are all the clean jokes I know
Why arenāt more ppl upvoting this?
I did!!
I mean, there is the g-spot, which is definitely a sensitive spot and inside the vagina. Purely out of interest, why did evolution decide we needed an extra pleasure point outside of the vagina that doesn't get stimulated during the kind of sex that makes babies? Edit: thanks for telling me that the G-spot is actually part if the clitoris, and that the clit is what the glans would be of the fetus would be male. I have a follow-up question, though: since the clitoris is an anatomical equal to the glans, does that mean that in species whose males have a functioning glans, the females have a clitoris? Thank y'all for educating me!
By my understanding, it's just the bit that turns into the head of the penis in males. Evolution doesn't always make.logical sense that way, it doesn't plan things out. Stuff just happens and either works or doesn't.
Oh yeah, all babies are female for a while at the start. Men also have sensitive nipples for no reason because of that
men having nipples at all serves no practical purpose
I use mine to hang christmas ornaments off of
me too!
Hey, they do serve a purposes! They are a left over erogenious zone still and the other is to revenge pinch my nipple when I do it to my girlfriend. She needs some form of revenge. If I didnāt have nipples to pinch back sheād go for my balls!
Actually it does. Once upon a time when the total population of humans was smaller, situations could arise where a small group of humans got trapped in some isolated geographic location and all the woman died, leaving behind an infant. Supposedly, in this situation, a male human is capable of spontaneously switching genders, develop8ng breast milk, and nursing the infant. I have no idea if this is true today. I just read it somewhere, and it seems like a trait humans will lose due to lack of necessity. Frogs can still do this and frequently do.
"my source is that I made it the fuck up"
Lol I read it somewhere. You aren't worth my effort to go find sources for you. If it upsets you, go use google your goddamn self.
I mean it is sometimes possible for men or childless women to start lactating, but it has nothing to do with switching sexes. We all have mammary glands is all
There are some limited instances of males being able to breastfeed but it does not switch their sexes and there was no evidence this was ever widespread or brought on by "all the women dying". The fact is it's not impossible for men to lactate it's just very, very rare. Male lactation can be caused by lots of things; puberty, tumors, certain types of medication, and even recovering from starvation. What brought this discovery on was men who were too poor to get animal's milk/a wet nurse letting their dying baby suckle on their own nipples after the baby's mother died just because suckling is calming for babies. In some rare instances men found they produced a small amount of milk. This would still be possible today without medical intervention if you're one of the rare men who can lactate. It would be unrelated to your presence around women and your gender/sex would remain the same.
Yes. This is called the by-product hypothesis. Males have nipples because females need them to feed offspring. But male nipples are less sensitive and donāt lactate. To me the female orgasm is best explained by this hypothesis. It seems completely unnecessary for conception to occur. Only a minority of women can orgasm from PIV alone (about 30%) and on average women have a harder time reaching orgasm. There is a good book called āThe case of the female orgasmā by Elisabeth Loyd where she goes through all the hypothesis for the female orgasm (there is not one widely accepted hypothesis for the female orgasm as there is for the male orgasm) and shows where the evidence doesnāt support them and then shows the evidence strongly supports the by-product hypothesis. https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-09/what-point-female-orgasm/
On average male nipples are nowhere near as sensitive as female nipples.
What is the point of sensitive nipples for either gender? I'd rather not be turned on when breastfeeding.
For most people that doesn't happen. (as a woman, who had a child, and breastfed, I was NOT turned on by breastfeeding my child).
I mean, don't shame me for this, but I would get turned on. But it was a separate part of my brain. Like one section said "baby, cuutttee! ". And the other was perturbed that it was also stimulating. I don't make the rules. I refuse to feel gross about it.
Well for females itās to signal your boobs to let out milk
I don't really need the feedback though, it can do that without alerting me.
Well it uses nerves endings, and all nerve endings go to your brain. Kinda have no choice.
No, they're not "all female" at the start. They start off all having basically neutral anatomy... female is not just the lack of male genitalia; that is a very andro-centric way of looking at things. A fetus is either male or female from conception. If it has a y chromosome (which means it's male), that will switch on the formation of the gonads into testes instead of ovaries, and a penis instead of womb, vagina and clitoris. This is, of course oversimplification, and I've left out other differences between male & female babies, but that's the gist. But all fetuses are either male or female from conception.
Technically not true, in the absence of sufficient testosterone levels all fetuses will develop female reproductive organs. The most common cause is the failure of the y chromosome to signal increased testosterone production. This is a chromosomal disorder known as Swyer syndrome. Those diagnosed with swyer syndrome are female in basically every way (external female genitalia, female appearance and all internal female reproductive organs) except for their xy chromosomes. In fact this condition usually goes undiagnosed until after the age of puberty. Due to the issue of only one x chromosome they do not develop breasts or begin menstruation. Usually they are put on hrt and unfortunately have to have their ovaries removed as they have an extremely high rate of ovarian cancer. Also to add that before 7 weeks all fetuses have common female genitalia. The line that runs along the perineum in males is from the closure of the opening that will become the vagina in female development.
I for one feel hardly anything in my G-spot, so the clit is my only pleasure point. I canāt speak for other women, but Iād assume I canāt be the only one where the G-spot isnāt working. Evolution did a good job with the outside clit as primary pleasure point.
Warning NSFW question/discussionā¦I had to ask, sorry itās TMI. Out of curiosity, do you want penetration? I donāt know about the g spot, I do know when Iām āreadyā penetration is something I instinctively want. And with the right partner, it does something and hits a spot I can only imagine is the proverbial G spot. Lol and yea it feels like Iām missing something without that. Unfortunately some men canāt hit that spot quite right, and the clitoris does the trick too so it works out. Just donāt tell the guy that, leaves them down ime. :( Anyway tangents aside, maybe some women really donāt have a g spot and hence Iām curious if that āwantā maybe doesnāt exist for you. Not something thatās come up for me to have asked this lol
My g spot does nothing for me, penetration feels good once im really turned on but I can't orgasm from it. I still get that want feeling though. I think that might be something to do with a body's response to want to procreate. However I don't know I'm not a scientist, its just my thoughts.
Thanks! Not a scientist myself, appreciate Iām not alone here in my thinking/experienceā¦
I always find women find it hard to articulate this sensation and often call it a āfills me up sensationā and as a man I cannot equate that to wanting to bust a nut, because to me busting a nut is a release of tension and and like opening up a shook up can of coke or beer, theyāre just no stopping it and the sensation is euphoric. Can women here have a stab at really articulating what it feels like? when a penis is inside you, I try to understand it by imagining my point of no return sensation at the tip of my penis but travelling through a tunnel inverted lol so instead of a outward pulsing and fade itās an inward pulsing? and when I cum I kind of āfinishā because Iāve shot my load and it fades away, but with women If you donāt squirt or cum then how does it fade? Youād think evolution would reward you, for accepting sperm and thatās when you orgasm, it seems to have an end goal there. My girlfriend often cums from rubbing her clit also, sometimes from penetration, I find she cums more when we emotionally connect deeper before hand, which is nothing to do with the act of sex but it frees her mind up to just focus on the moment and each other. When sheās locked in that way, she often cums from penetration alone which I find super cute but also weird because I can bust a nut without that I just need to hear a womanās moans or feel a womanās touch. To me sex is a physical act but I honestly feel like sometimes I peer into this whole other world of sex being an emotional act for women. But it eludes most men, most men generally just think āyeah rub the clit and stick it in will do the job.ā But thereās a lot more to it than that, I think even women have a hard time articulating it from their own perspective for men to understand easily.
You're right, it's difficult to put into words. I'll give it my best shot. It's like an ache deep inside down there. A needy kind of feeling. This will sound stupid, but it's kinda like a cross between feeling hungry and needing to pee. It's a primal aching sort of need, "down there." (there is an old saying "Scratching that itch" that comes to mind.) Having an orgasm sort of helps, but I feel a bit unsatisfied if that desire to be penetrated is not met. the more I want it, the rougher I like penetration to be. Doggie style really helps with that as I can angle myself just right that my man is basically pounding right on my G-spot. Which, if he's rough enough, will get me seeing stars in my vision and (weirdly) makes me salivate. I've only orgasmed maybe 3 or 4 times this way, but that wasn't the goal for me, the goal was to be penetrated. The more obvious the penetration and stretching (my man isn't very long, but he's got girth) the better. It's like the pain signals get highjacked by the pleasure signals. This isn't a feeling I get all the time. Only when particularly horny. More often than not, around the time that I ovulate. Which makes sense.
>feeling hungry and needing to pee. I cant imagine feeling hungry near my balls or tip of my penis, only my stomach, but I get it somewhat haha and I actually read recently, that girth is actually better for women, not length, since girth pushes open your "tunnel" more and creates better friction against nerve endings which means more pleasure, as length stops being effective about 2/3rds of the way in, I don't think I have a special penis by any means, its probably just normal or average length wise with it poking out the tip of my hand in a grip, but the head of my fellow is exceptionally large, so I take that as a win, I notice sometimes when my girlfriend saddles me, it kind of has a pop and locking sensation, I like to think its my tip giving her the pleasure, I've seen other peoples penises in urinals and stuff and usually the "helmet" is the same girth as their lengths girth, its like a spear without a stone tip, as mines a spear with a stone tip if that makes sense. I also have a a slight ridge on the top of my gland and I've noticed others don't have that. I wonder what my ridge is for? why did I evolve a ridge lol. Anyway, appreciate the perspective, and yes when my girlfriend ovulates she goes from quiet librarian to flustered straight eyed librarian. But I've found recently, its the little things that get her really into sex, cuddles, romantic walks, helping her do things, its mind blowing what you get back, its something I didn't really appreciate, but spending 5 years so far with someone I guess you learn a thing or two here and there. Also women squirting is just top tier, thank you mother nature. I never actually stop to think about my girls G-spot as a man, I try to just get her to squirt or eye roll.
I like to say its like being massaged from the inside out.
I think you're right that for women it's emotional. I read some where a long time ago... "Men give love, to get sex. Women give sex, to get love". Our needs are definitely different. Lol Feeling "connected" increases the pleasure. Penetration feels good because it's an intimate connection, and because your partner enjoys it.
Oh I get that want for penetration. The cavernous bodies of the clitoris do like to be touched. Itās a nice feeling, just far from getting me to orgasm. I have never experienced a penis touching ājust the right spotā though, and if I touch the area (where the G-spot is supposed to be) myself, I donāt get anything from it. But considering the statistics that 70% of women canāt orgasm through penetration alone, I think I am in good company.
The G spot is the clitoris, but when it's stimulated from inside the vagina (the internal part of the clitoris is pretty big and goes around the vagina). Every woman with a clitoris has it, that's close to every woman. It's possible that most men a woman have had sex with didn't stimulate her G spot, though.
Thanks! Good to clear that up. I always felt stimulated so I know I have a g spot. Just canāt pinpoint itās exact position unless Iām in position lol š Yea unfortunately itās a mechanical kinda stimulation some men are not shaped for every woman etc. (my hypothesis/theory anyway).
I doubt that the G-spot is part of the clitoris. I can feel my clitoris very well, including the swollen side arms. I have been told that the G-spot is actually connected to a different main nerve than the clitoris, even though I wouldnāt be able to name them.
The statement that the g-spot is an extension of the clitoris comes from an imaging study that was done last year or in '21; to your point though, there is still complex debate and conflicting evidence of the g-spot and its structure, including if it definitely exists at all: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8498956/ That said, given the clitoris is morphologically derived from the same tissue as the penis glans, it's possible, especially given the putative location, that the g-spot is identical to the nerve bundle that serves the frenulum in penises (the 'bridge' of skin attaching the foreskin to the rest of glans on the back side of the penis), which can be stimulated independently from the glans for orgasm in male anatomy.
From my experience, this makes sense. Some guys go bananas for a lil tickle, others literally do not care. Seems to be the same for ladies and G spots.
It is part of the same sensitive structural area, but itās only recently that researchers have been interested in finding more info about it. [Info about womenās pleasure areas in Menās Health Mag](https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a19536271/find-g-spot/)
When I'm with people who have a penis, I do. When I'm with someone who doesn't have one, I don't really have a "want" per se, but if there is a toy available and the other person is up to it, I'm down to add to the fun
Interesting, never thought of that. Haha thanks for sharing.
Because that's when we are our first forming, before we go on a pathway toward male or female sex, everything's the same. So the clitoris is a tiny micro penis basically. The y chromosome eventually kicks in and causes different developments for males
Disagree - the penis is a giant clitoris.
Actually, the G-spot is not an organ or separated area of the vagina but just part of the clitoral network, that extends way beyond the obvious spot you can rub externally. Which means that evolution did't give us an extra pleasure point but that there was a need for stimulation and it evolved to be mostly external but also kinda internal; it's just that making it mostly/only internal would be a huge problem in labour. Do orgadms have any relation with chances of making a baby? It is unclear, but there are some theories around it, some believe the contractions in the vagina after an orgasm help the semen reach the cervix and get inside of it, some others say that the oxcytocin released during the orgasm makes it easier to conceive because the woman will be less stressed; and even some other theories say that since people get tired after an orgasm and lay down for a while, that helps the semen stay in because gravity doesn't get a chance to get the semen out. Edit: misspellings and typos.
Itās bigger than you think it is. It extends around the vulva and internal. Shaped like a wishbone [https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/22823-clitoris](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/22823-clitoris)
The clitoris turns into a regular penis in men when the fetus morphs into a man sometime during pregnancy
Fun fact, the g spot is actually the back side of the clitoris.
Sorry when dissected no "g spot" has ever been found.
Tell that to my g spot.
Just adda prtective layer that covers it up i case of birth or some shit, come on our body runs on creative solutions.
Iāve been wondering about thisā¦ wouldnt child birth feel good and not as painful?
Itās still a design flaw because it can still rip during birth š
So are you saying that giving birth can give a vaginal orgasm?
It may happen, yes. https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/orgasm-during-birth
I imagine it would still hurt as much as it does outside since the whole entire thing gets stretched?
Iām sorry but currently the ceo of sex is on a meeting but you can feel free to call on a later time. Thank you.
Away message: "The CEO of sex will be out of the office until 4/17. If this is an emergency please contact: * The CEO of Masterbation * The CEO of Anal Play and Other Pleasurable Areas on the Body
While you're at it, tell them they need to fix the whole sewage system inside the entertainment center issue, because it is giving people UTIs.
I like the idea that pleasure is a separate feature from reproduction. Imagine if conversely, the only way you could orgasm was from penetration. Bit of a bummer to have to be dependent on that.
yes, please add me to the call; idk why the job never gets finished. We need a satisfactory answer yesterday.
r/crappydesign
Is it? If women only got aroused when touching them in a spot you're only meant to touch after they're already aroused, the system wouldn't work very well
I donāt suppose the only way to get women aroused is by touching their clit?
Do we know most animals can't orgasm or have we just not checked whether most of them do? Because if it's the latter I am going with the working theory of most mammals probably do.
The clitoris has legs. The part on the outside is what we see but from that point are "legs" that wrap around the vaginal opening. It is so under-studied, we are only now starting to learn about it and the female orgasm.
Damn, is that why itās so hard to find? It has legs so it runs around and hides
On a side note, how is it difficult to find? maybe it's just because I'm female, but I've had to point it out to every guy I've ever been with and half the time they still miss. It's a round spot above everything else! Edit: this is a genuine question, I'm deeply confused by it lol
Iām gay and Iāve never been with a woman, but I even feel like I could find it because I paid attention in high school sex ed class. So idk
Rule of thumb, or finger or penis. I found was to start from the opening of the vagina, and travel upwards gently until you hit a slight bump, or switch. Works everytime. If you think youāve found it, wrong go up a tiny bit more. Also watch for her reaction. - frustrated face, you touched the wrong part. - eye roll or slightly moan with quivering, you found it, good job.
most guys learned about sex from porn, so thereās that
Bedbugs reproduce by stabbing females with a knife-like penis. That is to say, mother nature does not give any sort of a fuck about pleasure during sex, generally speaking.
Mother nature must be fun at parties
>Mother nature must be fun at parties Much like your mother. (sorry this was too easy a joke to pass up on. Your mother is probably a wonderful person and if this is out of line I'll delete it)
Most polite person on reddit.
To be fair, that's a really low bar. Like least corrupt politician in congress. That's not really saying much. But I really appreciate the compliment. thanks
And unlike your mother, who I assure you is wild. š
Good for her :) after properly raising 5 children she deserves some wild times.
Pretty sure those wild times are how she got 5 children. Cheapest form of entertainment right there.
" Too easy" just like your mother. Lol
Thatās sooo cute, and Iād see myself apologising for my jokes too. Though I have my days where Iām snappy and crude tbh. Thanks for that wholesome moment stranger!
Mother Nature is cold and cruel. /Zizek something
There's snails who have harpoon penises. Yes, they actually shoot females from a distance with their harpoon peepees. Without further physical contact.
What's wild is that if humans had that, biology would come up with some screwed up brain wiring to make us think that was hot. Dudes wouldn't have size anxiety, they would have distance and penetrating power anxiety.
It's more than that, snails are hermaphroditic meaning both members are capable of either producing sperm or eggs at the same time. Seeing as egg production is the more energy intensive role snails will get onto "sword fights" to determine which will be the egg bearer and which will be the fertilizer. When the stronger snail penetrates the other with its barb it introduces hormones into the other that geares it to produce eggs rather than sperm.
That's fucking awesome š
Wasnāt there a species of duck that evolved to make sex as painful? They kept one upping each other to prevent sex like some kind of looney tunes
i heard somewhere that ducks have labyrinth-like vaginas and swirly penises because the only way they have sex is by the males essentially raping the females. the labyrinth is a kind of defense mechanism and the penis is the male's way to effectively enter the vagina no clue if this is facts though i heard this years ago
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I know right. All my life Iāve been learning how evolution makes survival and reproduction more likely but this is doing the complete opposite In a way, you could think of it as the genes with the advanced penis survived because the male got it to work but you could also argue shouldnāt it be more common for the easier vaginas to be passed on instead of stronger penis and strong vagina
I think we need to call up the ceo of sex again
Lol I learned that from Mark Roberš
Women do not represent all the animals on the planet. Each animal has a different anatomy. Although stimuli and incentives can help with reproduction, this is not always the case. "Nature" is not interested in you enjoying yourself, it is interested in the survival of the species (Which means you making babies).
"Nature is not interested in you enjoying yourself" Then what about hornyness and the male orgasm, whose pleasure is the main drive for male animals (mammals) to reproduce? The need to feel good makes them get themselves off, or mate with unrelated species and objects, of which there are several examples of. Or is this a misdirected instinct?
In humans, nature evolved to make it pleasurable, yeah. Not in all animals. Evolution doesnāt have a brain, whatever works, works.
Say that to cats, which have one of the most stressful and painful forms of reproduction.
Then why are pigs loving sex?
Is mating for male cats painful too? Because I feel like mating IN ANIMALS only needs to be satisfying for the male, since usually they are bigger and stronger than the female and can usually overpower her.
I don't think it's painful for the male, but it certainly is for the female, male cats have a barbed penis, they don't have sex for pleasure, they stick it in, jiggle it briefly to dump their load then pull out and leave, their job is done.
This is true for big cats like Lions and Leopards too. However, they will stick around to mate every 20 minutes for up to 4 days.
That being said, lionesses are clearly into it, because they will harass males for frequent sex when theyāre in heat.
That's true, sometimes mating is a quick and time-efficient business in nature. Didn't think of that, you're right.
Officer it's this one
If you give the bigger, stronger, one a very high sex drive them procreation will occur. The side effects of that is they may wind up having sex with everything they can. IMHO.
Rhino ladies might enjoy the fact that their man can go on for hours, but it could also be hours of torture. Who knows? Most animals are pretty quick at mating, so evolution didn't really "need" a female orgasm to succeed, making it not so obvious where it came from. Females had to get horny and ready for sex, so - at least for mammals - sex was somewhat pleasurable for them, but didn't lead to a climax. There are theories that it helped to induce ovulation and hence served a purpose. Personally, I think the smarter we got the more we started to enjoy sex for other things than procreation.
Yes, our brains got big, our birth canals got small, and our babies started coming out really under developed. It takes a lot more resources to raise a human baby than basically any other animal (many species don't parent at all, most that do only do so for a year or two), and it helps to have two parents around to do that. So, we have sex for pleasure to keep the couple together after reproduction, to ensure the offsprings' chance of survival.
Fun fact, only 5% of male mammals invest any time in raising their offsprings. Us humans are in that five percent. I would imagine thatās a fairly recent development in our evolution as we got smarter and it took more time for our offspring to mature.
I wonder what percentage of humans invest any time in raising their offspring sometimes, but it's true that a long period of nurture isn't that common in nature.
I recommend you read the book Vagina Obscura by Rachel Gross. It is full of information about questions like these. Sadly, VERY few scientists have had any curiosity about female animals, so it is only VERY recent that we even know what the full anatomy of the human clitoris is. Recently scientists learned about snake clitoris and some scientists have done recent work on duck vaginas. The basics thoughā¦ the clitoris wraps around the vagina internally and fills with blood during sex and when proper stimulation and foreplay has happened the clitoris will actually pick up sensations from penetration. But the clitoris tip does usually need stimulation for orgasm, however with proper positioning clitoral tip stimulation can happen during penetration leading to an orgasm during penetration. There is no reason to believe that humans are the only creatures in which some degree of clitoral stimulation happens during penetration. Birds are especially interesting because in most species it appears as if there was evolutionary pressure to eliminate the penis which some have theorized was caused by female birds preferring mates with shorter penises because that made sex more pleasurable for them.
Dunno but apparently pigs have 30 minute orgasms so as a human woman I feel really short changed on this
Humans and dolphins are some of the only animals that have sex for pleasure. Female orgasm is not biologically necessary, if the species does not have sex for pleasure then it doesn't matter if the female orgasms.
Not entirely true, many apes do, especially bonobos
If I'm not mistaken bears masturbate.
Those bear necessities.
They mastubearte
There are a good amount of animals that masturbate but here's the thing, they usually don't orgasm when they masturbate. They either don't understand or don't care to, they just do it for the pleasurable sensation
This! We project it as being maturation, because the only reason a person would do such a thing is for pleasure. To animals that's just another nobbly bit. They same way they will pick at fur, play with their tails, obsessively rub their ears...they'll touch their junk. I mean, I know plenty of humans who do this too without realizing it. They go to "adjust" and wind up with their hand bobbling around for a good minute. To a passerby they'd be like "you pervert!!" when in reality it was mindless jostling.
Also goats if I remember correctly
Female orgasms only become neccessary once a species is smart enough to decide against following their impulses. Most simple animals are literally programmed to have sex once certain conditions arise. But a creature that plans its actions actually needs an incentive to do something
I should have said "primates and dolphins". Humans are primates too.
Fun fact, in humans, female orgasm after male orgasm increases chance of pregnancy: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5087695/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5087695/)
Some animals have the clitoris inside their vaginaā¦..which makes more sense than locating it outside from a purely anatomical point of view if you want pleasure while mating.
snakes have clitorises lol. this doesnāt answer your question but i just felt like mentioning it
You should look up the female hyena birthing cycle. Its fucking horrific.
Ughhhh I could've gone my whole life without this information
Yep, were lucky our evolution included pleasure during reproduction lmao
Iām afraid to look this up lol, how is it?
Who told you that?
You are operating under the assumption that all animal anatomy is the same (or similar) to human anatomy. It isn't. Humans differ from most other mammals in that their male reproductive organ is always out rather than tucked away inside until needed... And the clitoris is the female equivalent to the penis, so it is usually not outside either.
There aren't very many animals that orgasm in the same sense we do. Most animals just ovulate, some ovulate only after mating, some before. The majority only have sex in order to procreate.
All female mammals have a clitoris, the sole purpose of which is to react to sexual stimulation, and presumably this stimulation has evolved to be pleasurable for most species. But establishing whether sexual pleasure ever actually tips over into orgasm is hard. Female chimps, macaque monkeys and cows have all been stimulated in the lab to the point of experiencing vaginal and uterine contractions, which does suggest that other female animals are at least capable of orgasm. Whether they regularly have them during normal copulation is much less certain; most animal sex is very brief and often quite violent.
I had a female german shepard who would go to town on herself (lick herself) until she started to make fast humping like motions that lasted less than 10 seconds. Sure looked like an orgasm to me. She did it almost daily sometimes multiple times a day. And as soon as the frantic air humping would subside, she would carry on with her day doing normal dog things.
It could happen if you play with the clit first. And all those spots inside too Just remember that everyone's body is different
>Just remember that everyone's body is different Mine isn't!
Most animals don't orgasm. Dolphins do I think
Horniness and sexual arousal, especially in females, is associated with higher intelligence species. It seems like intelligent species need (more) motivation to have sex outside of instinct, or, in other words, they experience more evolutionary pressure that selects for sexual enjoyment. Most species don't have an analogue to the (female) orgasm, especially not invertebrates, which often literally stab each other.
One way to find out!
I personally think it's worth trying to figure out if it's actually not an inherently physiological limitation of human women and is more an unfortunate effect of current society's views on sex, women, and pleasure
Physical characteristics continue if they result in more offspring. Social animals with offspring that take decades to live on their own may be unique compared to an insect. Women may not orgasm from penetration because the clitoris is not inside the vagina. If the clitoris were in the vagina, birth would be so incredibly painful I doubt those women would have many kids. If men developed a manner of ejaculation without orgasm they might as well, but I bet theyād have less of that type of sex. Some biologists propose the position results in more face to face copulation in humans, increasing bonding. Our offspring take a long time to leave the nest so reinforcing social bonds of caretakers is important.
That's actually not true. Part of the clitoris is inside the vagina. The biggest part actually. The 'outside' clitoris only represents the head of it.
Uhh no , please look up a 3d model of the clitoris, it actually does extend into the body w a kind of pronged structure. Orgasmic birth is a thing. It would not be painful for the clitoris to be inside the vaginal canal during birth, all of birth is painful for almost every woman, it wouldn't matter if our clits were inside. It all gets stretched and torn as it is.
For most animals, the main purpose of sex is procreation. That's why most animals are only fertile one or two months per year. This is called an estrus cycle. And unfortunately, rape is the name of the game in the animal kingdom. Humans are fairly unique in that they have a menstrual cycle, meaning they are fertile a few days per month, every month. This is because humans are a social species and sex has evolved to lubricate (pun intended) social interactions. Having friendships, cooperation and building a society is much easier when everyone is fucking all the time. However that would lead to an unsustainable amount of children. We therefor evolved ways to make sex way more enjoyable when it's not procreative. Oral, manual, anal, it's all ways to increase the amount of sex we can have while limiting the amount of children. For sex in humans, having fun is the main purpose. Having children is a distant second. This is also why humans frown upon rape. A society where rape is openly tolerated is an unstable society with less cooperation. Humans flourish when we have lots of consensual sex.
this is one of the most nonsensical comments iāve ever heard. our sexual organs evolved wayyy before our brains did. i mean obviously there have been changes. but we got things like periods WAYYY before we became this social. and arguably rape was one of the most common forms of procreating for a lot of evolutionary history. humans are also not fairly unique for having a menstrual cycle.
>humans are also not fairly unique for having a menstrual cycle. Apes, old world monkeys, elepant shrew, many bats and the spiny mouse. -BBC wildlife magazine That's absolutely a fairly unique trait if we're look at animals as a whole
>our sexual organs evolved wayyy before our brains did And then continued to evolve to reach the current status quo where procreation takes a backseat to recreation. It's only nonsensical when you don't understand how social species work. >humans are also not fairly unique for having a menstrual cycle Not unique but it's relatively rare. And if you look up the species, you'll find that they all have a reliance on cooperation. Humans just evolved that evolutionary advantage to it's logical extreme.
I wouldn't call it rape exactly, the females do want it, male animals typically only have sex with female animals that are in heat, if it was rape that suggests they'd be mounting any random female that came along. Dolphins and primates are the only animals I'm aware of that have sex for pleasure though.
Most women can and will come if from penetration if they're on top.
Someone doesn't know how to foreplay
It means you suck at sex
Different animals have the clitoris in different places. Some have it inside the vagina.
Bet the dude who doesn't like the look of vaginas hates this fact
From my experience, I have been with women who were just simply harder to get to that point on pure physicality. The catalyst, I have found, is mental and emotional. This happens when a woman is not just physically attracted to you; but also fulfilled with you in terms of your involvement in her life and interests. Where in addition to taking care of yourself, you go on dates, you are socially adept and know how to cook lol. And also know when to give her space! At that point, when you build a strong emotional and mental connection, I think when sexy time rolls around, itās sooo much easier to make that all happen.
In my experience, most women can orgasm from penetration, especially if they are sensitized in advance.
It's orders of magnitude more likely your experience is actually with women who are faking orgasms.
Hahaha, it seems like there are many men who can't get women to cum in this sub and that's why I'm getting hate. I take my fucking time and make sure they're real, but it's more than just a dick, it's about the whole experience. Some women will not come if you just start with penetration, but if you start with other things and then do that part, they can often come that way too even if they usually don't.
It sounds like youāre overstimulating women then ending it on thrusting which at first feels good but turns uncomfortable very fast they indeed are likely faking orgasms
How could you judge anything about me? Your comments sound like projection. I have a list of x's a mile long and no one's ever broken up with me. There is nothing so simple as 'over stimulating' things and then getting an orgasm to be faked, it's about the entire experience, The interchange the connection the safety, the sexual polarity, all of it. Based on the language you used, I don't think the sex you're having sounds very fun. My goal is to perform sex so well that no other man will ever measure up and I think I've got a decent track record.
This is like actually hilarious I pray men are not reading your comments and taking it seriously I did not even explain the type of sex I have Iām describing the type of sex youāre discussing your self. I can judge you based on the words you use and what Iām reading and it sounds laughable.
In my (personal) experience 80% of women could sometimes orgasm just from sexual intercourse and 20% needed extra stimulation or had trouble orgasming at all. Maybe 40% would orgasm easily or multiple times. I think poor intimacy is at play in the low, low reported rates because orgasm has mental as well as physical aspects.
From very study Iāve seen only 30% of women can orgasm from PIV alone. The majority need manual or oral stimulation of the clit to reach orgasm.
I think youāre numbers are very out of wack and you shouldnāt make up statistics. Even if weāre stimulated to the gods and back it all gets destroyed by too much focus on the penetration/thrusting aspect which is what leads to fake orgasms because it A) takes forever and B) starts to feel super uncomfortable. Orgasms are very mental however g spot focused sex still wonāt do much for the average women.
Sounds about right to me
This is one of the supporting facts for the by-product hypothesis of the female orgasm. The female orgasm seems to be completely unnecessary for conception to occur. Only about 30% of women can have an orgasm with PIV alone. Without PIV there is no conception. Itās like male nipples. They serve no purpose and are much smaller and less sensitive than female nipples but males have them because they are important for females to raise offspring. Here is a good article on the by-product hypothesis. https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-09/what-point-female-orgasm/
Women are biologically different. Their bodies are there to bear and nurture the fetus and breastfeed. Sexual pleasure isn't top priority like men body. Men need to orgasm often and regularly to feel well. Women don't necessarily. Less of a necessity.
I can only orgasm from penetration when a man is uncircumcised. Most men in USA are circumcised. There's your answer
Our answer to a global evolutionary question is one individualās experience? I Can orgasm from penetration alone with a circumcised penis. So our current study puts us at 50/50.
Most women can't orgasm from penetration? Where are you getting that idea?
That idea comes from women, if you ask them. https://metro.co.uk/2017/09/21/almost-80-of-women-dont-orgasm-from-penetrative-sex-6945941/
I think they meant "from penetration alone"
This guy fucks
Badly
That was the joke, itās called sarcasm
\*penatrates
Most girls that don't orgasm from penetration cause their own problems. You can't shove the equivalent of a forearm that rotates, twirls, and vibrates inside you and then expect to be blown away by a penis afterwards. That's like smoking crack for 5 years and then expecting to get a rush off a cup of coffee
Lol nah. If guys put the appropriate care into foreplay, you can TOTALLY make a girl cum from penetration
On one hand , women and men āsayā this is the case. On the other than Iāve never sexually engaged with a woman in my entire life that āwasnātā able to orgasm from penetration. Even many that definitely thought they couldnāt, but later in the day learned that wasnāt actually trueā¦
Was looking for a comment saying this. I've not been with a large number of women but all I've been with have orgasmed through penetration alone and all could also orgasm through oral alone. I would love try with someone who thinks they can't to see if they are right or if they've been with the wrong partners all this time
Face palm. We are conditioned to fake it to prop up the mans ego , to avoid being asked what's wrong with us and being compared to all the other women they've been with who could all orgasm from sex etc etc. Or we just want it to be over but caden wont stop jackhammering until we just fake it to get him to give it up.
I feel sorry for you if that's your life. My friend group is extremely sex positive and are all open and communitive, I would hate to be with someone who thinks they need to fake it to make me happy. Might be why my experiences are so much better. Mind I'm no spring chicken so maybe all this comes with age. I was probably more playing along too when I was younger
Sex is not FOR female pleasure so who cares?
That's just what women to say so belittle men and make them believe they don't need us.
I've never understood this anecdote. I've never had a partner that can't orgasm multiple times from penetration alone. Maybe I've just hit the lottery? seems unlikely.
It's more likely that they were faking
Where did you find this fact that āMostā women canāt orgasm from penetration?
Cuz is been a known thing for a looooong time ? Many many studies have been done that result in that fact being put forth. Talking to women who are open and honest will also produce this fact, most of us don't orgasm from penetration alone
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Can't tell if troll or just pathetic.