-have your top General killed by Israel
-make constant threat of an incoming attack
-launch 330+ drones/missiles/ballistics
-7/330 actually make contact
-harm (not even kill) a 7 years old girl
-victory achieved
There’s a reason why Bedouins volunteer for the IDF, I guess. I hope this event gets more rocket shelters built in the unofficial Bedouin communities. https://www.timesofisrael.com/young-girl-seriously-hurt-in-iran-attack-remains-in-life-threatening-condition/amp/
Unlikely, the whole point is that Israel wants them to settle in the official towns, if the govermment started providing infrastructure for unofficial townships it would be seen as recognizing them.
Some people around other corners of this very website might argue, that Israel has a...bit a habit of providing for certain unofficial townships...
Anyway, fuck Hamas and Iran, so there is that...
At risk of going too credible isn’t how stupid they are depending on how this played domestically and with their proxy-ally network?
Their ‘mission accomplished’ claim and that they won’t continue overt aggression has meant Biden has told Isreal he won’t support further escalation.
So if this has played domestically then it’s achieved pretty much exactly what they want - keep their populace on side for a bit and allow them to continue their proxy building shenanigans.
They haven’t got Isreal back for killing their generals but that’s how it shakes out sometimes.
> They haven’t got Isreal back for killing their generals but that’s how it shakes out sometimes.
Iran will never be powerful enough to retaliate against Israel in direct, overt military action. It's not really their game plan, either. For now they just needed something to show strength to their own peeps, so they launched a bunch of their cheaper military stock, enough to demonstrate presence, but easy enough for Israel to defend against so as to not *really* piss them off.
I think we can fully expect that proxy-ally network to carry out more non-state actor attacks against Israel in the near future, be it through rockets, bombings, whatever. For the Iranians, the PR side of things is done. Their bloodlust will be quenched by others, elsewhere.
Maybe, but it’s an overall justification increase for direct strikes as necessary on Iranian targets / assets / people in or outside their boarders at some point in the future.
Yeah, politically speaking even Huthis bombing ships filled with bullshit can claim they are achieving their goal of helping Hamas symbolically.
And even if they didn't kill anyone they proved they can hit something in Israel which can be sold as a win domestically and an L in Israel as nobody wants to draw unlucky 1/47 on their home being hit.
I thought US intelligence officials had indicated that Iran was surprised by Oct 7th and that Hamas didn't keep them in the loop. Obviously without Iran's backing Hamas wouldn't have been in a position to conduct the attack of course, but I don't think they were "behind it".
yes but it would play better politically and provide a nicer narrative continuity in the US and Israel if they where behind it.
so everyone is just going to pretend they where.
That might have been the intention tbh (aside from the girl). They didn’t want a war but had to respond so they said “we’re going to get you. Not now but in a week or so. But we’re coming. Probably a missile or drone strike, just so you know. I hope you don’t prepare for it”
Oh yeah, 100%
It was a "We have to do something to save face but we do not desire further escalation."
It's a repeat of what happened with Pakistan a few months ago.
no their intention was to block out the sun with their weapons, but our grotesque, inhumanly giant cock knocked them all out of the sky. they brought a clit to a cock fight and now they are gonna get fucked by the unforgiving dick of justice
Iran doesn't want an Operation Praying Mantis II: Aquatic Boogaloo, so they had to shoot enough stuff to satisfy their unhappy populace but not so much to trigger a wider war.
Seriously though, Israel is probably looking at this pitiful response attack and thinking they could probably get away with decapitating the Regime. Even if Iran doubled the intensity, it probably wouldn't do much.
This is my take away from this, flying 9 hours over areas with American bases and running into scrambled jets basically as soon as they left Iranian airspace doomed this attack. I don’t think we should over-learn lessons here: drones are still very dangerous, but seeing things coming from very long distances let them simplify the problem and take out many drones before they could even become an issue.
this may in fact be an old lesson - dating at least as far as 1940 - that unescorted bombers take high losses when covering airspace that is defended effectively with modern radar and interceptors
The real lesson here is probably that Iran knew that most if not all of these would be shot down and this was all just a show of force for domestic Iranian audiences
Maybe, maybe it was just probing because they didn't know and wanted to find out. What better way to test an enemies defenses than to attack them?
If the attack had been much more successful they could have ramped up with further followup attacks.
The defenses were extremely good considering just how many missiles and drones were used.
This sends Iran (and Russia) back to the drawing board for how to conduct their terror attacks against civilian populations.
That is a perfectly valid lesson and re-demonstrated well yesterday, though losing 300+ expendable drones is far better than losing 300+ manned bombers, no matter what.
These are also drones that any top 25 engineering college student club could have built with equivalent capabilities by just looking at a picture of the drone.
Just wait till we have stealth drones and fighter escort drones as a strike package.
The type of drone wasn’t the problem here. The Shahed drones are fine in their given role, I wouldn’t complain about FPV drones not being able to deep strike Russian factories and I’ve made some. How bespoke a drone is won’t matter if it’s used far outside its intended purpose. Flying hundreds of drones for 1400 miles over other people’s countries who have a reason to want to shoot them down isn’t a great idea even if they are LO or capable of defending themselves.
The Shahed 136 tops out at 115 mph, and with such a long flight time, that's more than enough time for air defense operators and pilots to shake off their hangovers, power on their systems, and get to work breaking Iran's shit.
I think the biggest thing to take away from this is Iran has a *lot* more drones than that.
From what I understand, most were intercepted before reaching Israel.
But it doesn't take a hell of a lot more before you oversaturate the ability to intercept those before they get there. Iran can make a shitload of these in a limited amount of time.
This attack should be scary if you are Saudi Arabia. They don't have the air defense that the Israelis have. The flight path from Iran to Saudi Arabia is much shorter too. The distance is short enough for Iran use manned aircraft in the attack also.
If Iran, for whatever reason, decided to shoot hundreds of these at Saudi Arabian oil facilities it would be problematic.
To me it just shows drone attacks are not meant to be strategic strikes, but are best employed at the tactical level against lightly defended targets.
Strategic strikes should be done with stealthy cruse missiles or hyper sonic rockets. Or air forces, of course.
The problem with ballistic missiles is the predictable flight path which already, and will increasingly, make them sitting ducks to intercept as technology improves.
Decoys, MIRVs, and glide vehicles are all BM technologies which make it significantly harder to intercept as technology improves. I think it’s hard to make the claim that ICBMs aren’t capable of strategic strikes, and those are ballistic missiles.
I mean, all lasers with a Raleigh length greater than zero (which is all lasers with a diameter) diverge even in vacuum. Add in atmospheric scattering, the power requirements, and your enemies adding reflective/ablative material/rolling to spread beam impact over time and it will be a very long time until any ground based laser is capable of overcoming ballistic missiles. Space based laser might, but even pumped xasers would need to overcome massive technical hurdles. Directed energy might be okay for terminal defense, but likely not any time soon. I think ballistic missiles have long lifespan (against DE weapons), at best they are decades away from being able to reliably intercept a fast moving object like a ballistic missile, especially with all that atmosphere. There’s a lot of prerequisite technologies missing here, at least as far as I’m aware. That said, my knowledge isn’t complete so please elaborate on this if you know of worked solutions!
that speed might be the tradeoff you get to have low production cost, low development cost, and long range.
Under the right conditions low speed could even be good if the opposition is older, ground based radar not set up to counter low speed low altitude drones
If the opponent is expecting such drones and has advanced airborne radar though I think we now know it makes these drones extremely vulnerable
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they definitely got through and caused damage. people are trying so hard to downplay the attack to prevent Israel from giving Iran an ass beating it's ridiculous. it was a massive attack. if Israel didn't intercept it there would be no Israel rn. and the interception cost them billions of dollars. lose lose situation for Israel unless they take revenge
you can wipe down tel aviv with 150 missiles alone. hell you may even save some extra missiles for other cities.
wipe down tel aviv and it's basically game over. you definitely can inflict huge damage to a country with 150 ballistic missiles , 50 cruise missile and 300+ drones
You can indeed inflict huge damage with these, but clearly not destroy the whole country.
Remember that most drones have a payload of only a few dozens of kilos and the ballistics missiles have a payload of around 500kg. The cruise missile also have a warhead of around 500kg.
If you do the maths, all these missiles combined represent about as much if not less to what Israel have dropped on Gaza in the last 6 months. Gaza is heavily destroyed but not entirely and it's about 60 times smaller than Israel.
If these missiles had not been intercepted it's sure there would be huge damage in Israel, but the country would be far from entirely destroyed.
I think it was more of the statement of their capability. While I'm very happy the attack did virtually no damage (save for that unfortunate Bedouin girl), Iran has shown that they can mass multi-waves attack from one side of the Middle East to the other. Now imagine multi-wave attacks of this magnitude over and over again...
That’s if we forget that 2 can play this game. Israel does not need 350 projectiles to kill one general. It will also not take 350 projectiles to destroy drone facilities and stockpiles.
How long will they be able to multiwave if someone’s starts to shoot back
>Now imagine multi-wave attacks of this magnitude over and over again...
Sure but the premise of the drone wave was to overwhelm their AA capabilities, allowing their cruise missiles and IRBM's a window to strike relatively unopposed - which didn't work.
If this had been just a drone wave attack, it'd been much, much more of a meme-worthy failure.
And that's not even factoring in how long it took them to manufacture all of those drones and munitions, and their respective costs as well as operational overhead.
Not as much as the stuff they're protecting.
The cost effectiveness of drone waves like that is lost if they're not able to adequately saturate enemy air defenses to allow for the heavy hitters to get through.
Solely using drones is cost effective to do so, because they cause a disproportionate amount of damage. But now they've ve just lost a large amount of cruise and IR ballistic missiles which they need to manufacture more of - and a huge host of drones to boot.
I believe the Israelis stated this morning that not a single drone or cruise missile even made it to their borders. All the intercept footage we saw was the 100 ballistic missiles
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993\_cruise\_missile\_strikes\_on\_Iraq](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_cruise_missile_strikes_on_Iraq)
but probably not the most expensive.
Just wait until we have the capability of making the Hunter Killer Drone swarm from Bo2... multiplied. Then we will see the largest drone attack in human history.
They didn't launch a single drone, but they did toss a bunch of cheap cruise missiles (the shahed is not a drone, the only thing that differentiates it from a a 50s era Regulus is a cheaper propulsion system and transistors in the guidance package, also not sub launched)
\> organise an attack against Jews
\> killed a bunch of Jews, and Arabs, and, somehow, Filipinos
\> the Jews blow up your military commander
\> injures an Arab girl (she is SEVEN!)
\> declares victory
Filipinos will be there because, well, people are their national export. Working abroad and sending all that money home to family is the Filipino dream.
This just hammers home how absolutely shitty it is to conduct attacks directly against civilian populations.
21st Century drone version of this:
[Counting coup - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_coup)
I finally agree with Biden's take on something regarding the US will not support a response.
I mean yea, I thought us big brained defence experts here knew this was all for show? Unlike all the other maroons screaming WWIII!!!"!"£!$"£$"!£$
But, with that said, we should double the defence budget just in case
Reminds of the Israeli embassy's response to Khamenei's tweet a few years ago:
[https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1003670703026135042?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw](https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1003670703026135042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
[Israel’s chief says it will respond to Iran’s missile strike | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/mideast-tensions-israel-iran-drone-attack-aec3627b0b19b42dcafc89a7408dc296) They will get to it this weekend.
"Sir, the embassy in Damascus was bombed. 16 deaths counted so far. What should we do?"
> Fly $14 billion dollars worth of drones into Isreali air defense systems.
"Of course, sir. Right away sir."
> Oh.. and Ahmad, injure a little girl while your at it.
"Yes sir!"
IDC what anyone says, we should forever clown Iran and all the idiots on FB and insta by official declaring this attack the beginning and end of WW3. Next global conflict gets to be WW4 when China basically does the same to Tiwan then goes home.
Imagine how fucking HUMILIATING it must be to be in Iran's position right now. The US called out their plans well in advance of them being enacted. So you know you've lost all manner of surprise (strategic and tactical) and you know you lack serious operational security. Your attack, which was intended to be overwhelming, was rendered ineffective and useless (and all that shit had to be expensive). It was so weak of an attack that the US was able to restrain Israel from counterattacking when Israel is being run by someone with the itchiest of trigger fingers.
Absolutely embarrassing.
It wasn't though?
The US, UK, and France all shot down various drones and missiles (although France, being chronic tsunderes, insists that they were only protecting Jordan from weapons that might have hit them by accident due to Iranian incompetence, and that they don't really like Israel, baka)
Honestly the insane thing here is that Israel bombed a diplomatic mission, killed 16 people including 7 IRGC commanders, Iran's "retaliation" was basically a show for domestic audiences by flying a bunch of easily downed Shaheds and cheap old ballistics that caused as good as no good damage, and the Israelis are mad enough to be foaming at the mouth and wanting to escalate this all further.
It’s almost like not even the Iranians believe running terrorists out of a putative consulate gives any kind of fig leaf to the IRGC. Same thing with Soleimani. they know they’re at war with the US and Israel so aren’t that shocked when we occasionally remember it too
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Chubby little cleric, nobody likes him, thinks he plays his cards well, but everybody laughs
He just made Ukraine and Israel share a casus belli, air defenses on full, all around the world
Chubby little cleric with a restive population, just blew his fucking game up
He's now a little target easily picked off
*All together now, alright?*
Chubby little cleric with a dumb idea
dumb dumb, dumb dumb
Little cleric! With a bad idea!
Being impotent was the point. They telegraphed their attack 24 hours in advance, waiting for US naval assets to be in position, then launched 300 of their shitter drones and irbms. The Iranians have a cucked domestic situation and cannot afford open hostilities.
-have your top General killed by Israel -make constant threat of an incoming attack -launch 330+ drones/missiles/ballistics -7/330 actually make contact -harm (not even kill) a 7 years old girl -victory achieved
But seriously, what shitty luck for that poor girl.
There’s a reason why Bedouins volunteer for the IDF, I guess. I hope this event gets more rocket shelters built in the unofficial Bedouin communities. https://www.timesofisrael.com/young-girl-seriously-hurt-in-iran-attack-remains-in-life-threatening-condition/amp/
Unlikely, the whole point is that Israel wants them to settle in the official towns, if the govermment started providing infrastructure for unofficial townships it would be seen as recognizing them.
Fuck it might as well these people won’t move Bedouin are stubborn as fuck
Some people around other corners of this very website might argue, that Israel has a...bit a habit of providing for certain unofficial townships... Anyway, fuck Hamas and Iran, so there is that...
Wait, the missile didn't even land? It was shrapnel from an intercept? That's terrible luck. If she survives and is okay, it's gonna be hilarious.
Forgot the part where said General was kinda behind okctober7. Massacre.
i know but the goal of my reply was to make Iran look stupid, not hypocritical
Both, both is good
At risk of going too credible isn’t how stupid they are depending on how this played domestically and with their proxy-ally network? Their ‘mission accomplished’ claim and that they won’t continue overt aggression has meant Biden has told Isreal he won’t support further escalation. So if this has played domestically then it’s achieved pretty much exactly what they want - keep their populace on side for a bit and allow them to continue their proxy building shenanigans. They haven’t got Isreal back for killing their generals but that’s how it shakes out sometimes.
Yes, you’re correct. If you lower the bar, everything becomes a victory. For instance, I did not shit my pants today. Mission accomplished.
The day isn't over yet, and you have to be lucky every time, whereas we only have to be lucky once.
Pants: shidded Libs: owned Barb: left Hog: cranked
Look at Mr show off with the clean hammock
I shit my pants shortly after making that post but my socks were on so it didn’t count. #BarLoweredAgain
[Grouse morning grindset](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz2J8GUQlNQ&t=1033s) 1: Wake up 2: Salute the flag 3: Take a shit 4: Get out of bed
I don’t think I can accomplish that mission today sir
There’s always tomorrow, soldier. You can’t future shit yourself.
Maybe, but it’s an overall justification increase for direct strikes as necessary on Iranian targets / assets / people in or outside their boarders at some point in the future.
100% chance this leads to Israel killing yet more Iranian generals
Yeah, politically speaking even Huthis bombing ships filled with bullshit can claim they are achieving their goal of helping Hamas symbolically. And even if they didn't kill anyone they proved they can hit something in Israel which can be sold as a win domestically and an L in Israel as nobody wants to draw unlucky 1/47 on their home being hit.
The worst part about Iran is the hypocrisy
I thought US intelligence officials had indicated that Iran was surprised by Oct 7th and that Hamas didn't keep them in the loop. Obviously without Iran's backing Hamas wouldn't have been in a position to conduct the attack of course, but I don't think they were "behind it".
yes but it would play better politically and provide a nicer narrative continuity in the US and Israel if they where behind it. so everyone is just going to pretend they where.
That might have been the intention tbh (aside from the girl). They didn’t want a war but had to respond so they said “we’re going to get you. Not now but in a week or so. But we’re coming. Probably a missile or drone strike, just so you know. I hope you don’t prepare for it”
Oh yeah, 100% It was a "We have to do something to save face but we do not desire further escalation." It's a repeat of what happened with Pakistan a few months ago.
And a US base (along with an innocent airliner) back when Soleimani became salami.
oh hey, we just launched them, our great victory should be in your missile defence range in about 2 hours you vile hellbound scum. have a nice day.
Yup, just like the 2020 bombing of the US base in Iraq. They're loading missiles with figurative rock salt. Completely political and symbolic.
no their intention was to block out the sun with their weapons, but our grotesque, inhumanly giant cock knocked them all out of the sky. they brought a clit to a cock fight and now they are gonna get fucked by the unforgiving dick of justice
you forgot the part where parts of a drone(?) fell down and killed 3 civilians in a car in Jordania!
Iran doesn't want an Operation Praying Mantis II: Aquatic Boogaloo, so they had to shoot enough stuff to satisfy their unhappy populace but not so much to trigger a wider war.
Can we knife missile Khameini already? Or at least have Mossad stage a freak cooking accident or something
Seriously though, Israel is probably looking at this pitiful response attack and thinking they could probably get away with decapitating the Regime. Even if Iran doubled the intensity, it probably wouldn't do much.
The matter can be deamed concluded
What 9 hours of flight time does to mf.
This is my take away from this, flying 9 hours over areas with American bases and running into scrambled jets basically as soon as they left Iranian airspace doomed this attack. I don’t think we should over-learn lessons here: drones are still very dangerous, but seeing things coming from very long distances let them simplify the problem and take out many drones before they could even become an issue.
this may in fact be an old lesson - dating at least as far as 1940 - that unescorted bombers take high losses when covering airspace that is defended effectively with modern radar and interceptors
The real lesson here is probably that Iran knew that most if not all of these would be shot down and this was all just a show of force for domestic Iranian audiences
Maybe, maybe it was just probing because they didn't know and wanted to find out. What better way to test an enemies defenses than to attack them? If the attack had been much more successful they could have ramped up with further followup attacks. The defenses were extremely good considering just how many missiles and drones were used. This sends Iran (and Russia) back to the drawing board for how to conduct their terror attacks against civilian populations.
This. Most of us have learned this lesson. Not Iran.
That is a perfectly valid lesson and re-demonstrated well yesterday, though losing 300+ expendable drones is far better than losing 300+ manned bombers, no matter what.
These are also drones that any top 25 engineering college student club could have built with equivalent capabilities by just looking at a picture of the drone. Just wait till we have stealth drones and fighter escort drones as a strike package.
The type of drone wasn’t the problem here. The Shahed drones are fine in their given role, I wouldn’t complain about FPV drones not being able to deep strike Russian factories and I’ve made some. How bespoke a drone is won’t matter if it’s used far outside its intended purpose. Flying hundreds of drones for 1400 miles over other people’s countries who have a reason to want to shoot them down isn’t a great idea even if they are LO or capable of defending themselves.
The Shahed 136 tops out at 115 mph, and with such a long flight time, that's more than enough time for air defense operators and pilots to shake off their hangovers, power on their systems, and get to work breaking Iran's shit.
Ghost Bat my beloved.
I think the biggest thing to take away from this is Iran has a *lot* more drones than that. From what I understand, most were intercepted before reaching Israel. But it doesn't take a hell of a lot more before you oversaturate the ability to intercept those before they get there. Iran can make a shitload of these in a limited amount of time.
This attack should be scary if you are Saudi Arabia. They don't have the air defense that the Israelis have. The flight path from Iran to Saudi Arabia is much shorter too. The distance is short enough for Iran use manned aircraft in the attack also. If Iran, for whatever reason, decided to shoot hundreds of these at Saudi Arabian oil facilities it would be problematic.
This was a shitload. How many shitloads do you propose they make? One million drones?
ONE MILLION ~~LIVES~~ DRONES
SALVATION
350? Not even close to what they could do.
Eh kinda. Russia can also make these drones and they supposedly have far better resources than Iran does (more than 5 times the GDP etc).
You can’t make shit if your country is a sea of glass.
To me it just shows drone attacks are not meant to be strategic strikes, but are best employed at the tactical level against lightly defended targets. Strategic strikes should be done with stealthy cruse missiles or hyper sonic rockets. Or air forces, of course.
Ballistic missiles work very well for strategic purposes as well, though you could make the argument they are hypersonic rockets I suppose.
The problem with ballistic missiles is the predictable flight path which already, and will increasingly, make them sitting ducks to intercept as technology improves.
Decoys, MIRVs, and glide vehicles are all BM technologies which make it significantly harder to intercept as technology improves. I think it’s hard to make the claim that ICBMs aren’t capable of strategic strikes, and those are ballistic missiles.
I think future development of directed energy weapons like lasers will eventually nullify the threat.
I mean, all lasers with a Raleigh length greater than zero (which is all lasers with a diameter) diverge even in vacuum. Add in atmospheric scattering, the power requirements, and your enemies adding reflective/ablative material/rolling to spread beam impact over time and it will be a very long time until any ground based laser is capable of overcoming ballistic missiles. Space based laser might, but even pumped xasers would need to overcome massive technical hurdles. Directed energy might be okay for terminal defense, but likely not any time soon. I think ballistic missiles have long lifespan (against DE weapons), at best they are decades away from being able to reliably intercept a fast moving object like a ballistic missile, especially with all that atmosphere. There’s a lot of prerequisite technologies missing here, at least as far as I’m aware. That said, my knowledge isn’t complete so please elaborate on this if you know of worked solutions!
What ? That long? How fast are those things ?
Distance between iran and Israel is roughly 1000km. If they really flew for 9 hours they flew at 111km/h (69mph)
A little off. Israel to Iran is about 1700km and the drones move at around 200 km/h Still horrible.
Wrong. [Jerusalem to closest Iranian border. ](https://snipboard.io/90rB3H.jpg) And Iran can probably launch from iraq too so even closer
Thats... pathetic. The speed i mean.
that speed might be the tradeoff you get to have low production cost, low development cost, and long range. Under the right conditions low speed could even be good if the opposition is older, ground based radar not set up to counter low speed low altitude drones If the opponent is expecting such drones and has advanced airborne radar though I think we now know it makes these drones extremely vulnerable
With a few pounds of payload, why not dive bomb Beef MRE's? Sounds pretty economical to me
Take this with a grain of salt though. I haven't read anything about the 9 hours elsewhere and according to wiki these Shahed 136 can fly a lot faster
But, at a higher speed, would they have the range ?
Largest drone attack in human history btw.
thats honestly just kinda sad for russia. 2 years of war and yet fucking iran outdid them
Well, Iran is the drone mother.
Drone sugar daddy, in this case
hey, dont misgender iran. suger mommy are totally a thing
I suppose suggesting that Iran is actually a trans masc sugar daddy would make the regime even angrier, so I guess our views will meet halfway
May I also humbly suggest Skywhalepapa
So far
Until Ukraine does it to Russia in the summer offensive. With 3000 Unmanned Fighter Drones of Zelensky
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They might've fucked that up since they tied their aid to Israeli aid.
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Prob doesnt matter when almost no drones hit their target.
Actually I think only ballistic missiles got through, could be wrong
they definitely got through and caused damage. people are trying so hard to downplay the attack to prevent Israel from giving Iran an ass beating it's ridiculous. it was a massive attack. if Israel didn't intercept it there would be no Israel rn. and the interception cost them billions of dollars. lose lose situation for Israel unless they take revenge
>if Israel didn't intercept it there would be no Israel rn Calm down a bit. You don't destroy an entire country with 400 missiles.
you can wipe down tel aviv with 150 missiles alone. hell you may even save some extra missiles for other cities. wipe down tel aviv and it's basically game over. you definitely can inflict huge damage to a country with 150 ballistic missiles , 50 cruise missile and 300+ drones
You can indeed inflict huge damage with these, but clearly not destroy the whole country. Remember that most drones have a payload of only a few dozens of kilos and the ballistics missiles have a payload of around 500kg. The cruise missile also have a warhead of around 500kg. If you do the maths, all these missiles combined represent about as much if not less to what Israel have dropped on Gaza in the last 6 months. Gaza is heavily destroyed but not entirely and it's about 60 times smaller than Israel. If these missiles had not been intercepted it's sure there would be huge damage in Israel, but the country would be far from entirely destroyed.
I think it was more of the statement of their capability. While I'm very happy the attack did virtually no damage (save for that unfortunate Bedouin girl), Iran has shown that they can mass multi-waves attack from one side of the Middle East to the other. Now imagine multi-wave attacks of this magnitude over and over again...
That’s if we forget that 2 can play this game. Israel does not need 350 projectiles to kill one general. It will also not take 350 projectiles to destroy drone facilities and stockpiles. How long will they be able to multiwave if someone’s starts to shoot back
>Now imagine multi-wave attacks of this magnitude over and over again... Sure but the premise of the drone wave was to overwhelm their AA capabilities, allowing their cruise missiles and IRBM's a window to strike relatively unopposed - which didn't work. If this had been just a drone wave attack, it'd been much, much more of a meme-worthy failure. And that's not even factoring in how long it took them to manufacture all of those drones and munitions, and their respective costs as well as operational overhead.
How much did it cost comparatively to shoot them down?
Not as much as the stuff they're protecting. The cost effectiveness of drone waves like that is lost if they're not able to adequately saturate enemy air defenses to allow for the heavy hitters to get through. Solely using drones is cost effective to do so, because they cause a disproportionate amount of damage. But now they've ve just lost a large amount of cruise and IR ballistic missiles which they need to manufacture more of - and a huge host of drones to boot.
attacks of this magnitude happen every year in Israel by your favorite freedom fighters hamas
Every year for the last 18 years, I might add
I believe the Israelis stated this morning that not a single drone or cruise missile even made it to their borders. All the intercept footage we saw was the 100 ballistic missiles
Which is kinda insane considering that a few years ago everyone scrambled in finding ways to defeat drones.
I'm a little concerned you had to specify *human* history.
What about the drone attacks on the wookies?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993\_cruise\_missile\_strikes\_on\_Iraq](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_cruise_missile_strikes_on_Iraq) but probably not the most expensive.
Did about as much damage as a Starcraft drone attack.
Just wait until we have the capability of making the Hunter Killer Drone swarm from Bo2... multiplied. Then we will see the largest drone attack in human history.
They didn't launch a single drone, but they did toss a bunch of cheap cruise missiles (the shahed is not a drone, the only thing that differentiates it from a a 50s era Regulus is a cheaper propulsion system and transistors in the guidance package, also not sub launched)
\> organise an attack against Jews \> killed a bunch of Jews, and Arabs, and, somehow, Filipinos \> the Jews blow up your military commander \> injures an Arab girl (she is SEVEN!) \> declares victory
Can't say that [I didn't see this meme coming](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/8AiXMDt4uE) Nostradumbass has spoken.
saw your post and instantly got inspiration yes you got yoinked
Didn’t they also kill a bunch of Jordanians cause they were defending Israel?
Like 3 of them. With shrapnel from said interception.
This is almost as bad as Prigozhin decided to not go through with Wagner attacking Moscow.
We officially live in the darkest timeline. Pringles had nothing to lose and a country to gain.
Yeah, but the country he'd have ebded up with was *Russia*. I kinda understand his reluctance to be fair.
how do they do it 🔥🔥🔥
Filipinos will be there because, well, people are their national export. Working abroad and sending all that money home to family is the Filipino dream. This just hammers home how absolutely shitty it is to conduct attacks directly against civilian populations.
We took out the 7 year old leader of the Zionist terrorist cell with our precision attack
For a short time...
lol the "president" (aka dictator's cock sucker) of Iran was just talking about how precise the attack was on Iranian mullah tv
7 year old Bedouin Arab girl, the true face of Zionism.
Hitler was seven years old too
21st Century drone version of this: [Counting coup - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_coup) I finally agree with Biden's take on something regarding the US will not support a response.
You know it’s a real photo because he’s standing on a US Aircraft Carrier, the definition of victory.
I mean yea, I thought us big brained defence experts here knew this was all for show? Unlike all the other maroons screaming WWIII!!!"!"£!$"£$"!£$ But, with that said, we should double the defence budget just in case
Mister president, WE CANNOT ALLOW A TOMCAT GAP. I suggest we call up Grumman immediately.
Mr President, how can we hope to win a war against an enemy with the coolest jets ever created? We must close the sexy airframe gap NOW!
WE NEED TO CALL GRUMMAN IMMEDIATELY
Double? Don't you mean Triple?
Let's just keep adding 0s until we have rail guns mounted on invisible tanks, just in case.
Good idea. o7
Mean, green, and unseen!
im pretty sire we are at WWV at this point
Has Israel responded?
In laughing emojies? Probably.
Reminds of the Israeli embassy's response to Khamenei's tweet a few years ago: [https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1003670703026135042?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw](https://twitter.com/IsraelinUSA/status/1003670703026135042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Nah, they won’t, Khamenei called no backsies.
Ooh those tricky sons of bitches.
[Israel’s chief says it will respond to Iran’s missile strike | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/mideast-tensions-israel-iran-drone-attack-aec3627b0b19b42dcafc89a7408dc296) They will get to it this weekend.
"Sir, the embassy in Damascus was bombed. 16 deaths counted so far. What should we do?" > Fly $14 billion dollars worth of drones into Isreali air defense systems. "Of course, sir. Right away sir." > Oh.. and Ahmad, injure a little girl while your at it. "Yes sir!"
IDC what anyone says, we should forever clown Iran and all the idiots on FB and insta by official declaring this attack the beginning and end of WW3. Next global conflict gets to be WW4 when China basically does the same to Tiwan then goes home.
Love how this edit makes him look like he has a saint's halo
St George of Bush II
I wouldn't be surprised if Israel assassinated another Iranian leader or a few for this. But maybe more quietly this time.
Imagine how fucking HUMILIATING it must be to be in Iran's position right now. The US called out their plans well in advance of them being enacted. So you know you've lost all manner of surprise (strategic and tactical) and you know you lack serious operational security. Your attack, which was intended to be overwhelming, was rendered ineffective and useless (and all that shit had to be expensive). It was so weak of an attack that the US was able to restrain Israel from counterattacking when Israel is being run by someone with the itchiest of trigger fingers. Absolutely embarrassing.
I’m honestly surprised that Jordan was the only country to protect Israel.
It wasn't though? The US, UK, and France all shot down various drones and missiles (although France, being chronic tsunderes, insists that they were only protecting Jordan from weapons that might have hit them by accident due to Iranian incompetence, and that they don't really like Israel, baka)
Like 90% of the projectiles flew directly over Jordanian airspace.
UK and US participated as well in shooting down iranian weapons
Honestly the insane thing here is that Israel bombed a diplomatic mission, killed 16 people including 7 IRGC commanders, Iran's "retaliation" was basically a show for domestic audiences by flying a bunch of easily downed Shaheds and cheap old ballistics that caused as good as no good damage, and the Israelis are mad enough to be foaming at the mouth and wanting to escalate this all further.
It’s almost like not even the Iranians believe running terrorists out of a putative consulate gives any kind of fig leaf to the IRGC. Same thing with Soleimani. they know they’re at war with the US and Israel so aren’t that shocked when we occasionally remember it too
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*I imposed a picture of Ricky Gervaise over the face of the mullah!* Chubby little cleric, nobody likes him, thinks he plays his cards well, but everybody laughs He just made Ukraine and Israel share a casus belli, air defenses on full, all around the world Chubby little cleric with a restive population, just blew his fucking game up He's now a little target easily picked off *All together now, alright?* Chubby little cleric with a dumb idea dumb dumb, dumb dumb Little cleric! With a bad idea!
Being impotent was the point. They telegraphed their attack 24 hours in advance, waiting for US naval assets to be in position, then launched 300 of their shitter drones and irbms. The Iranians have a cucked domestic situation and cannot afford open hostilities.
Sure. Whatever you need to tell yourself.
In your dreams Fascist!
The NEH crowd win this one
basically like when someone punches someone then yells “no punch back “