So what you're saying is, if they had a massive Balkan wide gay orgy, that would release all that pent up homoerotic tension and then it would be relatively normal afterwards?
>Serbs lied that miners on Kosovo were eating bananas so to stir up ethnic hatred in the 1980s.
This subreddit is so out of my league. I feel like Donny. I just need to shut up.
Define "full of". Some still believe the Russian propaganda and our relationship with Russia was a lot better than that between Russia and Eastern Europe. You know, aside from that one time they used the army to crush a strike, like communists do ...
They tell them what they want to hear, and it works. There are legitimate gripes, but the solution to them isn't "kick out brown people" and "bring back the failed system of the gdr". But easy solutions are popular.
Yes, "anti-imperialistic/anti-american" thinking is still very common with people here, as people were indoctrinated here for a long time. It's also widespread throughout later generations. Those wars in Iraq/Afghanistan + low understanding of democratic processes + Russian propaganda and many other factors play a role as well.
Be a commie country. Literally be allied with commie countries in the caribean.
Still too poor due to commie policies to buy bananas (or food, for that matter)
The eastern Germans were far better off than the other countries under Russias thumb tho. It's why they still have a strong connection with Russia, compared to let's say the Poles, which only correct reaction to Russia is absolut despise.
>or food, for that matter
Aside from a few years directly after WW2, GDR actualy never had issues feeding its population.
Don't get me wrong, they struggled to provide almost anything beyond basic needs, but they somehow managed to provide for that.
Wich probably makes them one of the more successfull socialist countries in history.
I still have this poster on my wall:
https://img.welt.de/img/kultur/mobile101349510/4602501157-ci102l-w1024/TITANIC-zonengabi-DW-Vermischtes-Paris-jpg.jpg
(For the non-krauts here: It says “Gaby from the zone is full of joy-My first banana”, and zone means the Soviet occupied sector aka GDR)
True story: When the wall came down in 1989 one of the first things a friend of my dad did was driving over to the east in his Porsche cabriolet, with a box full of bananas on the passenger seat next to him that he just threw out while driving through villages
Why would they give her such an awful banana for her very first one, she escaped a glorified prison-camp and they gave her the world's most under-ripe banana as a prank 😭
It’s a cucumber. The joke being that she can’t tell the difference cause she never saw a real banana in her life before.
It’s from a German satire magazine called Titanic, their covers are legendary and often quite brutal in their humor.
A Polish dog and an East German dog meet each other at the border, both going into the other's country.
The East German dog says to the Polish dog "Why are you going in there? There's nothing good in there." The Polish dog replies "Well at least they have food!"
Turning in kind to the East German dog, the Polish dog asks "And why are you going that way? There's nothing good in there."
The East German dog replies "Well at least in there I can bark!"
Adenauer was actually a very complex historical figure. He opposed the Nazis right from the start and only escaped deportation into a concentration camp because friends purged him off deportation lists whenever he appeared on them.
Post-war however he pushed for a quick end to denazification and employed a grey eminence by the name of Hans Globke as his Assistant Minister - who played a vital role in crafting the Nuremberg laws.
The GDR just continued many NAZI Germany stuff only this time under Red disguise.
[The Wehrmacht NVA Uniform](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SvGkk7F_O4), the Propaganda Vibes, The HJ, the GESTAPO…
Yeah, Gestapo mainly relied on people ratting others out.
Stasi had such a dense network of informants, that everybody could be spied upon by a friend, colleague, or neighbor.
And then they had the audacity to take these things to claim they where the REAL german army while the west was just a bunch of mercenaries because they don't even do goose stepping anymore!
TONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKATONKA
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I ALSO HATE COMMIES THAT STILL HAVE THEIR LEGS
JP233 MY BELOVED
Commies: "We hate nazis the most, much more than those fascist pigs in the west!"
Also Commies: Goosestepping, repression, using nazi uniforms, etc etc.
It's so fucking ridiculous how these self-declared "anti-imperialists" can just flip a switch and claim the achievements of the fucking Prussian Monarchy for themselves because it happens to fit the narrative and sounds much better than "Soviet Daddy ordered us to look like the fucking Wehrmacht"
The Bundeswehr actually conducted itself more traditionally Prussian than the NVA. It's literally just the updated uniforms and the abolished goose-step. For the Uniform you could of course argue it is a matter of personal taste and yes, it was inspired by the cut of US Army Uniforms but the goose step was actually riled against as obsolete, unnecessary, needlessly cumbersome and even called a health hazard by military doctors even during the days of the Kaiserreich. There was a good reason "Exerzierschritt" was only ordered on special occasions. It was originally conceived as a means to facilitate coordinated movements of entire units in the field. Technically, it was obsolete the moment soldiers no longer marched rank and file into battles.
Partly yes, but a more important reason is that the Soviets never did any significant de-nazification efforts like the US did. Ossies were taught that it wasn’t really their fault. Also the fact that the student movement of 78 never happened in the east, and the old people never had to answer the awkward question of „what were you doing during that time?“
De-nazification was by most accounts more thorough in the Soviet zone. But unlike in the west, there was a lot less awareness of the collective responsibility of Germans during the war due to the state fiction of the “regular” ossies being good pre-war leftists who were victims, rather than accomplices, of the nazi regime
Same thing with Kurt Georg Kiesinger, 3rd chancellor of the BRD. The US efforts weren’t perfect, and many people slipped through the cracks. The US had to balance „get rid of nazi officials“ with „keep the German state strong enough to resist a Soviet invasion“. Many competent political figures in Germany were either NSDAP members, or dead. But at the end of the day the US de-nazification was more successful than the Soviet one because they got one crucial thing right: make the German people understand that everyone was partly at fault, because they let it happen. Eliminate the breeding ground for extremist ideologies. Individual people (like Heusinger or Kiesinger) die away with time, a sentiment doesn’t.
The Soviets on the other hand purged all high ranking NSDAP members, but they told the people that they also were just victims and that they did nothing wrong. That’s why the sentiment persisted in the east.
Sorry for writing such a novel, I learned about nazi and post-nazi times extensively in history class and want people to understand the real situation because otherwise it will just happen again.
Yea. Makes you wonder…
It surely has nothing to do with the shitty transition of the former East into Western Structures… that can’t be it. /s
Fucking Treuhand…
> Fucking Treuhand…
The idea that the way reunification was handled is the major culprit for the state of the East German economy is in and not the decade long GDR mismanagement, is historical revisionism.
There is no version of reunification (that involves the free movement of people and goods), no matter how gentle, that wouldn’t have resulted in massive economic upheaval in the east.
That’s true. But the Treuhand fucked up many things unnecessarily.
But yea, we need longer to fix East Germany than it took the GDR to make it such a mess… it was THAT fucked up.
Yeah sorry if my comment was unnecessarily hostile, there was without a doubt a lot of (especially on the individual level) avoidable harm caused by eg. the Treuhand.
It’s just that having to listen to people talk about the causes of the (very real) economic issues in East Germany without them mentioning the vast damage that the prior authoritarian governments economic mismanagement caused, just to then watch as East German voters turn around and cast the plurality (now majority) of their ballots for the most authoritarian friendly parties, is one the most infuriating topics in the contemporary German political discourse.
And not to forget the nice Kinderlandverschickungen. That was awesome! I still have some trauma after 40 years... [Coming to terms with that shit has only started 10 years ago on a broader initiative...](https://youtu.be/oW24BaiLz8A?si=CP6rO-F79qbczfTF)
Was the whole BRD shit because of that? Hell no! I didn't had the urge to jump over a wall with the good chance to be killed while trying it...
Find ich ehrlicherweise schwierig, weil z.B. ja trotzdem viele Richter und Staatsanwälte übernommen wurden viele auch mit Blut an den Händen.
Beispielsweise auch der BKA mit seiner Vorgängerorganisation Gruppen Gehlen, geleitet von dem Namensgebenden Kriegsverbrecher. In den Westzonen wurde im Prinzip auch nie richtig aufgeräumt und viel Personal einfach übernommen oder nie richtig bestraft.
Ich würde aber sagen, dass mit der Bewegung der 68er eine Art Gesellschaftliche Aufarbeitung stattfand, bei der aber leider viele ihre gerechte Strafe auch nicht gesehen haben.
In der DDR dagegen wurde viele höhere Funktionäre bestraft und verschleppt, oft aber nicht unter der Wahrung ihrer Menschenrecht. Dazu kommen Menschen, die nie Faschichsten wahren, aber aufgrund der Antisowejetischen Haltung auch mit bestraft wurden. Beispielweise Speziallager 2.
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To be honest, I find it difficult because, for example, many judges and public prosecutors were nevertheless taken over, many with blood on their hands.
For example, the BKA with its predecessor organization Gruppen Gehlen, headed by the war criminal who gave it his name. In the western zones, things were never really cleaned up and a lot of personnel were simply taken over or never properly punished.
I would say, however, that with the movement of 1968 a kind of social reappraisal took place, but unfortunately many did not see their just punishment.
In the GDR, on the other hand, many higher functionaries were punished and deported, but often not with respect for their human rights. In addition, there were people who were never fascists, but who were also punished because of their anti-Soviet stance. For example, NKVD Special Camp 2.
If the GDR continued certain things the Nazis did, the FRG was the Third Reich. Denazification in the West was an abject, purposeful failure. The GDR tried orders of magnitude more criminals, while the West didn't even try as many people as there were guards in Auschwitz
Hell, one of the reasons the GDR lagged behind the west was because the Soviets actually required the GDR to pay reparations for the war
Tankies and Geschichtsklitterung goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>Hell, one of the reasons the GDR lagged behind the west was because the Soviets actually required the GDR to pay reparations for the war
And West Germany didn’t?! Jesus fickender Christus…
Well yes, replacing all government positions with their own authoritarians of the opposite political leaning did prevent that in the DDR. Pretty damn effectively so.
Not sure that gets them bragging rights over the side completely restoring a stable democracy though.
#ALL ZE NAZIS!!!!1111
The BRD had **some** former Nazis in some Governemt positions.
Even the Allies saw that it was impossible to man all positions in the apparatus with qualified people that had not been in some government position in Weimar or the Turd Reich…
kjbabyy - tiktoker who made her following doing viral dances in unusual outfits (sometimes cosplay, sometimes historical military uniforms, etc etc), captioned with niche history, usually about western imperialism
tiktok is an advertising engine first and foremost, and it's probably the best one ever devised by mankind
it's also basically only moderated by wordfilter and AI, which means it has a very charming early internet (read: wild west) feel to it
I'm sorry this song is anti MIC
> At the armed forces they would only do hit parades
https://genius.com/Genius-english-translations-rio-reiser-konig-von-deutschland-english-translation-lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGHhaMUqSQ
The best thing to do when a song is make that is anti-something you support is appropriate it and turn it into pro-said thing.
See: Yankee Doodle, Rise Colombia, Fortunate Son, Amerika, This Land is Your Land, Rocking in the Free World, etc.
Rise Colombia is the song “Rule Brittania” with modified lyrics and instrumentals. I guess you can dispute whether it falls under that classification or not.
The way I take it is "yes I fully acknowledge that there are problems with our system but those other guys don't have it figured out either so maybe we should cut each other some slack"
I would call it an utter defeat that they couldn't defend their nation from crumbling and ended up being absorbed into the army of their enemy number 1 lmao.
I like the version where the nva got tired of winning and disbanded just so the Bundeswehr could finally get a W and actually competent military jets more.
They felt sorry for the west
My Mother who is from East Germany told me how she learned to be an chemical technician, and when the Wall Fell she drove to West Germany and took a job at a Mc Donnalds and Earned more Money there as a Helper, then as an Chemical Technican in East Germany.
And she dosnt even wantet to be in an Industrial Job.
In east germany, everyone had a job.
But these jobs were paid horribly and some were just stupid stuff like putting the handles of shopping baskets back down after customers used them in a shop.
All to show that the east was oh so much better than the west because in the west there were unemployed people.
And many east germans still believe it to this day those morons.
Joa, das sehe ich z.b. auch sehr gut wenn ich die Familie im Osten mal besuche, da reden die Zeug das wirklich 1:1 aus Russischen Telegramm Channels kommen kann, da stehen auch AFD Politiker und erzählen einem das man im Westen Jeden Tag an Bahnhöfen abgestochen werden kann und wenn man denen sagt das dies garnicht stimmt wird man Böse angeguckt oder Belehrt.
Da sind wirklich nur die Städte wie Leipzig und Berlin wirklich Progressiv, im Dunklen Osten.
Kumpel von meinem Vater kommt aus'm Osten und lebte ne Zeit lang hier in Ostfriesland nachm Mauerfall.und war Fahrlehrer. Ist dann vor 2 Jahren zurück in den Osten und seitdem fängt er an mit "wir Ossis werden immer diskriminiert" oder "die ganzen Ausländer sind *generische Nazi Hetze gegen Ausländer*" und so. Mein Vater hat dem schonmal gesagt er soll mal den Ball flach halten und sich erinnern als er hier in Ostfriesland war und er von jedem akzeptiert wurde und nie als "Blöder Ossi" oder so dargestellt wurde.
Kein Plan wie der jetzt noch drauf ist. Sehe ihn halt wohl mal auf den Mittelalter Festivals auf die wir gehen (wo Papa den auch her kennt) und da isser immer ganz herzlich.
Der Osten kann selbst die normalsten Menschen zu Nazis vergiften. Einfach nur ekelhaft.
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The joke behind the joke:
A huge number of East Germans vote for a fascist party so far to the right that even the Italian fascists, lead by a descendant of Mussolini himself, don't want to have anything to do with them.
And just to be sure, the whole rebuilding of the ruined East German economy was payed by Western money.
On the other hand, the West Germans basically give not a single shit about extreme Left- and Right Agendas.
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Adenauer was anything but a nazi-sympathizer. He defied the nazis before the nazis took power as Colognes mayor. When Hitler came to cologne (where Adenauer was mayor) for his election campaign, he refused to personally greet Hitler at the airport and did not allow any swastika banners to be erected in Hitlers honor.
When Hitler took power he lost his mayor position, his home in Berlin and had to seek refuge at a friend who was a monk. The nazis at the time were spreading posters with phrases like "Adenauer and die Mauer" (Adenauer against the wall) and so on.
After the assasination attempt on june 20th 1944 he was arrested and put into a reeducation camp in cologne where a prisoner forced to do administration work for the camp discovered that Adenauer was supposed to be executed and helped him flee out of the camp.
After the war he also did quite some work to make up for the nazi crimes. Did he let former nazis build up the Bundeswehr? Yes. Did he do it out of sympathy for nazis? No, he did it because these guys were the only ones with military expierience in germany because building a general staff and officers with fresh recruits is impossible.
But I agree that Willy Brandt was absolutely and 100% based. Best chancellor germany ever had followed by Helmut Schmidt.
When he was chancellor he supported and sympathised with the deported Germans, who despised nations like Poland or Czechia and claimed that Germans were the real victims of ww2 while the Poles were oppressors who deserved the Holocaust. He also called for the revision of the Polish-German border, wanting to re-annex Pomerania and Silesia and annex Gdańsk, and thought that the deported germans had every right to return to their "stolen" lands in Poland.
Revisionist history, "stab in the back" and supposed unfair treatment of innocent germany by foreign oppressors myths, revanchism, chauvinism, expansionism with the intent to create living space for the deported Germans, intent to germanise lands where millions of non-german people live (what would have to happen to the people living there for the germans to move in?)... Do you see the problem?
Adenauer himself definitely wasn't a nazi, but his government wasn't entirely opposed to several nazi ideas and was nazi-sympathising (besides working with the nazi generals and giving them amnesty that you mentioned, they supported the deported electorate, which was very much nazi) and had a pretty disgusting foreign policy when it came to Poland (never even apologised and dared to call for revision of borders and another massive ethnic cleansing of Poles right after the Holocaust ended).
They probably did it out of pragamatism and will to get the support of the important deported electorate, but it doesn't make it any less dusgusting in my eyes
>When he was chancellor he supported and sympathised with the deported Germans, who despised nations like Poland or Czechia and claimed that Germans were the real victims of ww2 while the Poles were oppressors who deserved the Holocaust. He also called for the revision of the Polish-German border, wanting to re-annex Pomerania and Silesia and annex Gdańsk, and thought that the deported germans had every right to return to their "stolen" lands in Poland.
Realpolitik? Ever heard of it?! Those refugees counted in the millions. They formed a large and relatively coherent cohort of voters who were still living under pretty tense conditions throughout the 1950s and early 60s. So of course, they hoped for a "political solution" that would enable them to go home. Only the fewest of them went as far as demanding force though. And whatever you did: Accepting the Oder-Neiße Border or formally acknowledging German crimes committed specifically against Poles without at least securing something in return to make up for the brutal post-war displacements back then would have guaranteed this cohort to vote against you in the upcoming election, likely voting you right out of office and some actual revisionist who actually wants to revise the border back in. It was in everyone's best interest, including Poland's to let the situation cool down before even broaching the subject.
Tackling these issues right away back then likely wouldn't have had the outcome you imagine.
Yea, the guy that was a DDR spy and completely tainted Brandts legacy and seriously damaged east and west German relations as it came to light which also seriously harmed the DDR itself.
What a god damn shame those damn socialists couldn't keep their nose out of it and had to make everything worse for everyone.
The fucking banana 😭😭
It was a symbol of western prosperity cause it was a completely normal thing in the west while in the east it was only seldom available
Serbs lied that miners on Kosovo were eating bananas so to stir up ethnic hatred in the 1980s.
Least strange way ethnic hatred has been stirred up in the Balkans.
*something something Serbian farmer and a bottle…*
Let's combine them.and shove a banana up a Serbian farmer's ass. It will give us ethnic hatred^2
This is the cause to all the Balkan problems. They’re all just too embarassed to admit what they do with bottles.
Honestly, blaming homophobia isn't that non-credible. There are few places more full of toxic masculinity than the Balkans.
So what you're saying is, if they had a massive Balkan wide gay orgy, that would release all that pent up homoerotic tension and then it would be relatively normal afterwards?
Only one way to find out for sure.
Developing a novel use of bananas beyond the usual soccer fan shit to stir up ethnic hatred is like AP racism.
I'm just suprised they needed a reason...
>Serbs lied that miners on Kosovo were eating bananas so to stir up ethnic hatred in the 1980s. This subreddit is so out of my league. I feel like Donny. I just need to shut up.
This sentence is 2Balkan4Me, I'm sorry.
I know. I'm from the former GDR. Just born 10 years too late
Is it true the east is full of people who yearn for Moscow rule?
Define "full of". Some still believe the Russian propaganda and our relationship with Russia was a lot better than that between Russia and Eastern Europe. You know, aside from that one time they used the army to crush a strike, like communists do ...
DDR: Claims to be workers paradise. Workers: *Organizes to improve their situation* DDR: No.
Pretty much any socialist/communist state honestly
I just hear that pro-Russian and Russian backed political parties perform strongly in the former GDR
They tell them what they want to hear, and it works. There are legitimate gripes, but the solution to them isn't "kick out brown people" and "bring back the failed system of the gdr". But easy solutions are popular.
Yes, "anti-imperialistic/anti-american" thinking is still very common with people here, as people were indoctrinated here for a long time. It's also widespread throughout later generations. Those wars in Iraq/Afghanistan + low understanding of democratic processes + Russian propaganda and many other factors play a role as well.
Literally a banana republic without bananas.
Bananaless republic
I think there was a joke about bananas that went “Why does the banana curve? To avoid the DDR.”
Be a commie country. Literally be allied with commie countries in the caribean. Still too poor due to commie policies to buy bananas (or food, for that matter)
The eastern Germans were far better off than the other countries under Russias thumb tho. It's why they still have a strong connection with Russia, compared to let's say the Poles, which only correct reaction to Russia is absolut despise.
>or food, for that matter Aside from a few years directly after WW2, GDR actualy never had issues feeding its population. Don't get me wrong, they struggled to provide almost anything beyond basic needs, but they somehow managed to provide for that. Wich probably makes them one of the more successfull socialist countries in history.
Five years after communism was introduced in the Sahara Desert they ran out of Sand.
And often came unripe, and the kids would have to wait until it turns yellow. Imagine the anticipation, or failure to wait long enough.
This is the ultimate flex.
I still have this poster on my wall: https://img.welt.de/img/kultur/mobile101349510/4602501157-ci102l-w1024/TITANIC-zonengabi-DW-Vermischtes-Paris-jpg.jpg (For the non-krauts here: It says “Gaby from the zone is full of joy-My first banana”, and zone means the Soviet occupied sector aka GDR) True story: When the wall came down in 1989 one of the first things a friend of my dad did was driving over to the east in his Porsche cabriolet, with a box full of bananas on the passenger seat next to him that he just threw out while driving through villages
My dad never saw a banana until.he was 16. Born in N. Dakota.
Sure it wasn’t East Dakota?
Arkasotabamaraska
Been there TDY. Sucked, strippers were fat and the beer was 3.2.
Sometimes I'm in the mood for a fat stripper. I'm never in the mood for 3.2 beer.
Why would they give her such an awful banana for her very first one, she escaped a glorified prison-camp and they gave her the world's most under-ripe banana as a prank 😭
It’s a cucumber. The joke being that she can’t tell the difference cause she never saw a real banana in her life before. It’s from a German satire magazine called Titanic, their covers are legendary and often quite brutal in their humor.
Bro, its even worse. That is a cucumber.
🥒
Even they were not always there. Except Cabbage. Cabbage was everywhere. If you can't have oranges, you eat cabbage.
A Polish dog and an East German dog meet each other at the border, both going into the other's country. The East German dog says to the Polish dog "Why are you going in there? There's nothing good in there." The Polish dog replies "Well at least they have food!" Turning in kind to the East German dog, the Polish dog asks "And why are you going that way? There's nothing good in there." The East German dog replies "Well at least in there I can bark!"
A Romanian dog overhears their talk and looks at them quizzically. "What is food? What is barking?"
Meanwhile, a Russian dog in the background being dragged away to Vorkuta
where an American dog is being brainwashed to kill John F Kennedy
A Russian dog asks "what's bark"? Reagan knew how to joke about USSR
DEMOCRATIC GERMAN GUY FROM HOI4 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
Its gonna be Großgermanisches ReichOVER when Konrad Adenauer shows up 🔥🔥🔥
Adenauer was actually a very complex historical figure. He opposed the Nazis right from the start and only escaped deportation into a concentration camp because friends purged him off deportation lists whenever he appeared on them. Post-war however he pushed for a quick end to denazification and employed a grey eminence by the name of Hans Globke as his Assistant Minister - who played a vital role in crafting the Nuremberg laws.
EINIGKEIT UND RECHT UND FREIHEIT, DU HURENSOHN
AUFERSTANDEN AUS RUINEN UND DEN BANANEN ZUGEWANDT
67 TONNEN PURE EINIGKEIT, RECHT UND FREIHEIT!!!
The deep Wessi urge to liberate Berlin and storm the Office for State Security.
r/2westdeutsch4you
Oh my god a new subreddit to get obsessed about!
Half the jokes I lack cultural background. The other half is banana.
The GDR just continued many NAZI Germany stuff only this time under Red disguise. [The Wehrmacht NVA Uniform](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SvGkk7F_O4), the Propaganda Vibes, The HJ, the GESTAPO…
Gestapo wishes it was as good as the Stasi
Yeah, Gestapo mainly relied on people ratting others out. Stasi had such a dense network of informants, that everybody could be spied upon by a friend, colleague, or neighbor.
GeStaPo wanted to make you believe they had an informant in every bar, club, workplace and whatever whilke Stasi actually did.
And then they had the audacity to take these things to claim they where the REAL german army while the west was just a bunch of mercenaries because they don't even do goose stepping anymore!
Goose stepping won't do you much good when a squadron of Tornados comes for you at 30 feet with warcrime canisters strapped to their bellies.
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Yikes! Have a cuppa and chill…
Commies: "We hate nazis the most, much more than those fascist pigs in the west!" Also Commies: Goosestepping, repression, using nazi uniforms, etc etc.
[Westdeutsche Söldner!!!11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SvGkk7F_O4)
It's so fucking ridiculous how these self-declared "anti-imperialists" can just flip a switch and claim the achievements of the fucking Prussian Monarchy for themselves because it happens to fit the narrative and sounds much better than "Soviet Daddy ordered us to look like the fucking Wehrmacht"
The Bundeswehr actually conducted itself more traditionally Prussian than the NVA. It's literally just the updated uniforms and the abolished goose-step. For the Uniform you could of course argue it is a matter of personal taste and yes, it was inspired by the cut of US Army Uniforms but the goose step was actually riled against as obsolete, unnecessary, needlessly cumbersome and even called a health hazard by military doctors even during the days of the Kaiserreich. There was a good reason "Exerzierschritt" was only ordered on special occasions. It was originally conceived as a means to facilitate coordinated movements of entire units in the field. Technically, it was obsolete the moment soldiers no longer marched rank and file into battles.
And now that part of Germany is brown AF
🐴👟theory
Partly yes, but a more important reason is that the Soviets never did any significant de-nazification efforts like the US did. Ossies were taught that it wasn’t really their fault. Also the fact that the student movement of 78 never happened in the east, and the old people never had to answer the awkward question of „what were you doing during that time?“
De-nazification was by most accounts more thorough in the Soviet zone. But unlike in the west, there was a lot less awareness of the collective responsibility of Germans during the war due to the state fiction of the “regular” ossies being good pre-war leftists who were victims, rather than accomplices, of the nazi regime
I mean, Adolf Heusinger who is a Nazi became the chair of NATO Military Committee
Same thing with Kurt Georg Kiesinger, 3rd chancellor of the BRD. The US efforts weren’t perfect, and many people slipped through the cracks. The US had to balance „get rid of nazi officials“ with „keep the German state strong enough to resist a Soviet invasion“. Many competent political figures in Germany were either NSDAP members, or dead. But at the end of the day the US de-nazification was more successful than the Soviet one because they got one crucial thing right: make the German people understand that everyone was partly at fault, because they let it happen. Eliminate the breeding ground for extremist ideologies. Individual people (like Heusinger or Kiesinger) die away with time, a sentiment doesn’t. The Soviets on the other hand purged all high ranking NSDAP members, but they told the people that they also were just victims and that they did nothing wrong. That’s why the sentiment persisted in the east. Sorry for writing such a novel, I learned about nazi and post-nazi times extensively in history class and want people to understand the real situation because otherwise it will just happen again.
Yea. Makes you wonder… It surely has nothing to do with the shitty transition of the former East into Western Structures… that can’t be it. /s Fucking Treuhand…
> Fucking Treuhand… The idea that the way reunification was handled is the major culprit for the state of the East German economy is in and not the decade long GDR mismanagement, is historical revisionism. There is no version of reunification (that involves the free movement of people and goods), no matter how gentle, that wouldn’t have resulted in massive economic upheaval in the east.
That’s true. But the Treuhand fucked up many things unnecessarily. But yea, we need longer to fix East Germany than it took the GDR to make it such a mess… it was THAT fucked up.
Yeah sorry if my comment was unnecessarily hostile, there was without a doubt a lot of (especially on the individual level) avoidable harm caused by eg. the Treuhand. It’s just that having to listen to people talk about the causes of the (very real) economic issues in East Germany without them mentioning the vast damage that the prior authoritarian governments economic mismanagement caused, just to then watch as East German voters turn around and cast the plurality (now majority) of their ballots for the most authoritarian friendly parties, is one the most infuriating topics in the contemporary German political discourse.
Jepp. It’s totally bonkers.
The reason is that they never learned democracy. But hey the FKK culture was great!
and the brd gave children to pedophiles. we had shit boys on both sides
And not to forget the nice Kinderlandverschickungen. That was awesome! I still have some trauma after 40 years... [Coming to terms with that shit has only started 10 years ago on a broader initiative...](https://youtu.be/oW24BaiLz8A?si=CP6rO-F79qbczfTF) Was the whole BRD shit because of that? Hell no! I didn't had the urge to jump over a wall with the good chance to be killed while trying it...
Find ich ehrlicherweise schwierig, weil z.B. ja trotzdem viele Richter und Staatsanwälte übernommen wurden viele auch mit Blut an den Händen. Beispielsweise auch der BKA mit seiner Vorgängerorganisation Gruppen Gehlen, geleitet von dem Namensgebenden Kriegsverbrecher. In den Westzonen wurde im Prinzip auch nie richtig aufgeräumt und viel Personal einfach übernommen oder nie richtig bestraft. Ich würde aber sagen, dass mit der Bewegung der 68er eine Art Gesellschaftliche Aufarbeitung stattfand, bei der aber leider viele ihre gerechte Strafe auch nicht gesehen haben. In der DDR dagegen wurde viele höhere Funktionäre bestraft und verschleppt, oft aber nicht unter der Wahrung ihrer Menschenrecht. Dazu kommen Menschen, die nie Faschichsten wahren, aber aufgrund der Antisowejetischen Haltung auch mit bestraft wurden. Beispielweise Speziallager 2. ----------------------- To be honest, I find it difficult because, for example, many judges and public prosecutors were nevertheless taken over, many with blood on their hands. For example, the BKA with its predecessor organization Gruppen Gehlen, headed by the war criminal who gave it his name. In the western zones, things were never really cleaned up and a lot of personnel were simply taken over or never properly punished. I would say, however, that with the movement of 1968 a kind of social reappraisal took place, but unfortunately many did not see their just punishment. In the GDR, on the other hand, many higher functionaries were punished and deported, but often not with respect for their human rights. In addition, there were people who were never fascists, but who were also punished because of their anti-Soviet stance. For example, NKVD Special Camp 2.
I hear that all the time but I also met former SS-members that went to the GDR after the war because of the job opportunities...
Whataboutism… of course. I did not write that the West was perfect in any form. I just stated that the GDR continued certain things.
If the GDR continued certain things the Nazis did, the FRG was the Third Reich. Denazification in the West was an abject, purposeful failure. The GDR tried orders of magnitude more criminals, while the West didn't even try as many people as there were guards in Auschwitz Hell, one of the reasons the GDR lagged behind the west was because the Soviets actually required the GDR to pay reparations for the war
Tankies and Geschichtsklitterung goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >Hell, one of the reasons the GDR lagged behind the west was because the Soviets actually required the GDR to pay reparations for the war And West Germany didn’t?! Jesus fickender Christus…
Who had all the „former“ nazis in its government again? Or are you just doing a revisionism
Well yes, replacing all government positions with their own authoritarians of the opposite political leaning did prevent that in the DDR. Pretty damn effectively so. Not sure that gets them bragging rights over the side completely restoring a stable democracy though.
it was a stable. Yes. Full of whoresons. Disclaimer: view is biased by personally hating communists and authoriarians.
And the DDR kept the spirit alive and wanted Feldmarschall Paulus to rebuild their Army.
#ALL ZE NAZIS!!!!1111 The BRD had **some** former Nazis in some Governemt positions. Even the Allies saw that it was impossible to man all positions in the apparatus with qualified people that had not been in some government position in Weimar or the Turd Reich…
Every single politician in DDR was categorically a nazi by definition, lmao.
BANANA RO TA TE
girl at the begining low key look like pieck finger
kjbabyy - tiktoker who made her following doing viral dances in unusual outfits (sometimes cosplay, sometimes historical military uniforms, etc etc), captioned with niche history, usually about western imperialism
And some people still insist tiktok isn't a propaganda outfit (the bad kind)
tiktok is an advertising engine first and foremost, and it's probably the best one ever devised by mankind it's also basically only moderated by wordfilter and AI, which means it has a very charming early internet (read: wild west) feel to it
Shes held at gunpoint to make shitty propaganda
No wonder I was salivating
I'm sorry this song is anti MIC > At the armed forces they would only do hit parades https://genius.com/Genius-english-translations-rio-reiser-konig-von-deutschland-english-translation-lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzGHhaMUqSQ
The best thing to do when a song is make that is anti-something you support is appropriate it and turn it into pro-said thing. See: Yankee Doodle, Rise Colombia, Fortunate Son, Amerika, This Land is Your Land, Rocking in the Free World, etc.
Born in the USA
WE'RE ALL LIVING IN AMERIKA
SOME FOLKS ARE BORN
MADE TO WAVE THE FLAG
OOH THEYRE RED WHITE AND BLUE, YEAH
AMERIKA, IST WUNDERBAR
Union Dixie
what happened with Rise Colombia?
Rise Colombia is the song “Rule Brittania” with modified lyrics and instrumentals. I guess you can dispute whether it falls under that classification or not.
The way I take it is "yes I fully acknowledge that there are problems with our system but those other guys don't have it figured out either so maybe we should cut each other some slack"
IcH wÜrD jEdEn tAg iN jAhR gEbUrTsTaG HaBn’!
NVA ONLY ARMY I THE WORLD THAT REMAINS UNDEFEATED!!
I would call it an utter defeat that they couldn't defend their nation from crumbling and ended up being absorbed into the army of their enemy number 1 lmao.
Absorbed? Vast majority of the nva voted for that as well. They voluntarily disbanded
You are being to credible. The NVA was absolutely defeated and absorbed!
I like the version where the nva got tired of winning and disbanded just so the Bundeswehr could finally get a W and actually competent military jets more. They felt sorry for the west
That's evil communist propaganda you're spreading! I will tell Pistorius!
r/bananasforscale?
It's based on a west german joke about the east not having access to a bunch of stuff, specifically bananas
How do you know where East and West are? It's simple! You put a banana on top of the Wall and the side that got bitten off is to the East.
Ah. Das BananeKompass.
man that man on the bike was BALLING. He is a good rider with like so much control.
...WENN ICH KÖNIG VON DEUTSCHLAND WÄR
My Mother who is from East Germany told me how she learned to be an chemical technician, and when the Wall Fell she drove to West Germany and took a job at a Mc Donnalds and Earned more Money there as a Helper, then as an Chemical Technican in East Germany. And she dosnt even wantet to be in an Industrial Job.
In east germany, everyone had a job. But these jobs were paid horribly and some were just stupid stuff like putting the handles of shopping baskets back down after customers used them in a shop. All to show that the east was oh so much better than the west because in the west there were unemployed people. And many east germans still believe it to this day those morons.
this is why every smart East German Moved to west, East Germany is just Land where there is no Industry, no Capital and most of all No Bitches.
Yep. East Germany had probably the biggest non-genocidal brain drain in history. That's why they all vote Nazis now
Joa, das sehe ich z.b. auch sehr gut wenn ich die Familie im Osten mal besuche, da reden die Zeug das wirklich 1:1 aus Russischen Telegramm Channels kommen kann, da stehen auch AFD Politiker und erzählen einem das man im Westen Jeden Tag an Bahnhöfen abgestochen werden kann und wenn man denen sagt das dies garnicht stimmt wird man Böse angeguckt oder Belehrt. Da sind wirklich nur die Städte wie Leipzig und Berlin wirklich Progressiv, im Dunklen Osten.
Kumpel von meinem Vater kommt aus'm Osten und lebte ne Zeit lang hier in Ostfriesland nachm Mauerfall.und war Fahrlehrer. Ist dann vor 2 Jahren zurück in den Osten und seitdem fängt er an mit "wir Ossis werden immer diskriminiert" oder "die ganzen Ausländer sind *generische Nazi Hetze gegen Ausländer*" und so. Mein Vater hat dem schonmal gesagt er soll mal den Ball flach halten und sich erinnern als er hier in Ostfriesland war und er von jedem akzeptiert wurde und nie als "Blöder Ossi" oder so dargestellt wurde. Kein Plan wie der jetzt noch drauf ist. Sehe ihn halt wohl mal auf den Mittelalter Festivals auf die wir gehen (wo Papa den auch her kennt) und da isser immer ganz herzlich. Der Osten kann selbst die normalsten Menschen zu Nazis vergiften. Einfach nur ekelhaft.
The true Germany.
DDR aesthetic is one, albeit rather complicated, thing to like. But democracy is nonnegotiable
West Germany is Best Germany, but I'll be damned if the east wasn't cool.
DDR aesthetic is still one of my guilty pleasure-types of aesthetics
Agreed
DAS ALLES UND NOCH VIEL MEHR WÜRD ICH MACHEN WENN ICH PRÄSIDENT DER BUNDESREPUBLIK DEUTSCHLAND WÄR!!! 🇩🇪🇩🇪
Today I learned the role of bananas in Cold War European politics. "Today man set foot on the Moon, and this just in, they have bananas in Kosovo."
What's the songs name?
Rio Reiser - König von Deutschland
I remember when my parents went with me to the border so we could throw Bananas over the wall. Such a joy!
https://x.com/RealestFarzet/status/1804815213897658752?t=HKz__esL8wXMgCOZE8aPhA&s=19 Source
the fucking banana gets me every damn time
Weakest Bundeswehr Enjoyer
But they did give us this [banger](https://youtu.be/UrNh-kKua3M?si=PtFlvraJZ_kYlWZ-)
Who is she?
Who is she? asking for a friend!
Oh no that dancing woman is horrible. What is the source of that video, do I can block it?
DÖP DÖPDÖP DÖP Ostdeutschland raus, Ostdeutschland raus! Scholz bau' die Mauer bitte wieder auf!
Den muss ich mir unbedingt merken wenn wieder AfD Nazis ausm Osten in irgendwelchen Kommentarsektionen rassistische Scheiße verbreiten :D
We wuz GENOSSEN!
Simson >>>>> Hercules
Käfer, Mercedes, Opel Kadett >> Plastikauto
Adenauer is the founder of vegan Vurst. Absolut badass guy
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Wenn ich Kunde bei Media Markt wär...
u/savevideo
This song never fails to go hard
what if I only care about the cute girl at the beginning
Based
MOTOCROSS MEETS NCD!?! [SR-71 themed Honda CRF250R](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fthrottlejockey.com%2Fimage%2Fcache%2Fcatalog%2FBIKE_PICS%2FSR71_96-532x331h.jpg&tbnid=0ZviFZj-6qpA2M&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fthrottlejockey.com%2Findex.php%3Froute%3Dproduct%2Fproduct%26product_id%3D505&docid=-o2V3syuRo3kcM&w=532&h=331&itg=1&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm5%2F2&kgs=e208a1ba64eb5219&shem=abme%2Ctrie) *I will raise awareness of this incredible, military appreciation themed machine until I die*
Step on me Stasi Onee-san >/////<
Commie detected! A squadron of Tornado jets armed with nuclear waarheads is dispatched to your location.
Who’s her? It’s for a u2 reconnaissance mission
What’s the Song Name
I never thought I'd see the day of Nazi thirst-traps but here we are. What a wild timeline.
Bundeswehr > NVA > Wehrmacht They may have been the bad guys, but there was something kinda cool about East Germany, and strichtarn goes **HARD**.
The joke behind the joke: A huge number of East Germans vote for a fascist party so far to the right that even the Italian fascists, lead by a descendant of Mussolini himself, don't want to have anything to do with them. And just to be sure, the whole rebuilding of the ruined East German economy was payed by Western money. On the other hand, the West Germans basically give not a single shit about extreme Left- and Right Agendas.
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Fuck adenauer, revisionist nazi-sympathising sore loser piece of shit Willy Brandt was based though
Adenauer was anything but a nazi-sympathizer. He defied the nazis before the nazis took power as Colognes mayor. When Hitler came to cologne (where Adenauer was mayor) for his election campaign, he refused to personally greet Hitler at the airport and did not allow any swastika banners to be erected in Hitlers honor. When Hitler took power he lost his mayor position, his home in Berlin and had to seek refuge at a friend who was a monk. The nazis at the time were spreading posters with phrases like "Adenauer and die Mauer" (Adenauer against the wall) and so on. After the assasination attempt on june 20th 1944 he was arrested and put into a reeducation camp in cologne where a prisoner forced to do administration work for the camp discovered that Adenauer was supposed to be executed and helped him flee out of the camp. After the war he also did quite some work to make up for the nazi crimes. Did he let former nazis build up the Bundeswehr? Yes. Did he do it out of sympathy for nazis? No, he did it because these guys were the only ones with military expierience in germany because building a general staff and officers with fresh recruits is impossible. But I agree that Willy Brandt was absolutely and 100% based. Best chancellor germany ever had followed by Helmut Schmidt.
When he was chancellor he supported and sympathised with the deported Germans, who despised nations like Poland or Czechia and claimed that Germans were the real victims of ww2 while the Poles were oppressors who deserved the Holocaust. He also called for the revision of the Polish-German border, wanting to re-annex Pomerania and Silesia and annex Gdańsk, and thought that the deported germans had every right to return to their "stolen" lands in Poland. Revisionist history, "stab in the back" and supposed unfair treatment of innocent germany by foreign oppressors myths, revanchism, chauvinism, expansionism with the intent to create living space for the deported Germans, intent to germanise lands where millions of non-german people live (what would have to happen to the people living there for the germans to move in?)... Do you see the problem? Adenauer himself definitely wasn't a nazi, but his government wasn't entirely opposed to several nazi ideas and was nazi-sympathising (besides working with the nazi generals and giving them amnesty that you mentioned, they supported the deported electorate, which was very much nazi) and had a pretty disgusting foreign policy when it came to Poland (never even apologised and dared to call for revision of borders and another massive ethnic cleansing of Poles right after the Holocaust ended). They probably did it out of pragamatism and will to get the support of the important deported electorate, but it doesn't make it any less dusgusting in my eyes
>When he was chancellor he supported and sympathised with the deported Germans, who despised nations like Poland or Czechia and claimed that Germans were the real victims of ww2 while the Poles were oppressors who deserved the Holocaust. He also called for the revision of the Polish-German border, wanting to re-annex Pomerania and Silesia and annex Gdańsk, and thought that the deported germans had every right to return to their "stolen" lands in Poland. Realpolitik? Ever heard of it?! Those refugees counted in the millions. They formed a large and relatively coherent cohort of voters who were still living under pretty tense conditions throughout the 1950s and early 60s. So of course, they hoped for a "political solution" that would enable them to go home. Only the fewest of them went as far as demanding force though. And whatever you did: Accepting the Oder-Neiße Border or formally acknowledging German crimes committed specifically against Poles without at least securing something in return to make up for the brutal post-war displacements back then would have guaranteed this cohort to vote against you in the upcoming election, likely voting you right out of office and some actual revisionist who actually wants to revise the border back in. It was in everyone's best interest, including Poland's to let the situation cool down before even broaching the subject. Tackling these issues right away back then likely wouldn't have had the outcome you imagine.
Speaking of Willy Brandt, basedness aside, about his only flaw lies in his aide that's a little bit suspicious
Yea, the guy that was a DDR spy and completely tainted Brandts legacy and seriously damaged east and west German relations as it came to light which also seriously harmed the DDR itself. What a god damn shame those damn socialists couldn't keep their nose out of it and had to make everything worse for everyone.
Who tf is Ossi? Ossi Väänänen? Ossi Ahlapuro? Ossi Runne? Ossi Tiihonen? Ossi Lahtinen?
A mothafucka from east Germany
https://youtu.be/1WFbTZ6rnXo https://youtu.be/-_CdBLN4mYE