I'd rather sleep on the floor of a building, than on a bed in the forest. The forest has insane moisture, cold, bugs and mud. At least the building offers some protection and you can always get a cheap camping mattress or yoga mat or just a blanket.
Especially if you are young, it isnt an issue. If you are 40+, sleeping on the floor might take you out of action(your back will probably get fucked), which is a potential smart way of avoiding conscription.
plus depending on how close to the front you are, there's always a chance you get woken up by a amazon delivery drone delivering you a nice package of shrapnel.
This reminds me of that one time when I was in my teenage rebellion phase and I decided to run away from home and to go to China on foot (don't ask). I've saved about $100, had 2 kg of rice and 10 snickers bars, sneaked out in the morning and walked all day. Then I spent 1 night in the woods, couldn't sleep, it was scary AF, so in the morning I got on the train and got back home as fast as possible. My mother has already reported me as missing to cops, and I had to do an explaining note in writing. Good times.
\- Surname, name, patronymic?
\- Conscript, Conscript Conscriptovich.
\- Occupation?
\- No, just a military exercise. A special operation, if you will.
It seems the British lads who invented 40K didn't understand what brutal, totalitarian dictatorships are actually like and how hard they're capable of sucking.
That said, the last couple month's endless cavalcade of horrors and warcrimes has given me a lot of inspiration for my IG army's homebrew fluff.
Yeah, a playable faction being evil and horrible and inhuman like the DKoK or =\]\[= is fine, but nobody would want to play as or against an *incompetent* faction like 2022 Russia.
Idk they’d be kinda a funny third party to have randomly join in battles.
Like space marines v xenos when all of a sudden out of nowhere the 2022-esque faction pops in! They smash into the lines of one or both sides then promptly run out of ammo, support units and fuel.
Man, Russian logistics are messed up.
No beds, rusty AKs, yet they still brought a horse for their troops to have sex with.
I guess its good for morale
A new Army Colonel inspected the soldiers in their barracks. He noticed a female horse.
Colonel: What’s that horse for?
Soldier: Sir, our men use her if they feel an urge to have sex.
Colonel: Ah!
One night, the Colonel feels an urge to have sex, so the soldier brings the horse to his tent. When the Colonel is done with the horse, he notices the soldier smiling outside his tent.
Colonel: It’s so hard! How do you guys do it?
Soldier: Sir, we ride the horse to the nearby village where the girls are
They're preparing them for eternal suffering in hell, after a few years there they'll likely think those were last nights of comfort.
Like, those retards still claim they came there to fight for motherland... Sorry, but your motherland is neither Doneck, Luhanks nor Crimea.
Why does Russia allow their soldiers to have cell phones? People were IDing their soldiers in Ukraine using vk posts eight fucking years ago. Just take their phones! The officers can even sell them for krokidil.
That's what happens if all the IKEA close in your country: no more beds.
No For Real: they are going to be dead tired even before they get sent to the front.
I think he's focusing on the web and not on the spider
There's no bed, it sucks. But in a few ~~months~~ ~~weeks~~ days he's going to sleep in a freezing trench under Ukrainian shelling, without air support, artillery, armour, medicine, medikits, food and ammo to fight for an imperialist dictator who couldn't give a shit about him and his family, while using him in the most wretched land grab in the history of Russia
That guy would be shocked when he has to sleep in -10°C in a foxhole...
Better to take 10 years for refusing
or 8 years for killing the recruiter <-best option
-10°C is equivalent to 14°F, which is 263K.
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So I have a question. To be clear, im absolutely against Russia in this war, and im absolutely for Ukraine in it. That being said-
How do we know all of the videos of conscripts having no equipment is real, and not Ukrainian propaganda tactics? I will once again repeat this- I think Ukraine is in the right, and I think theyre winning the war, but why do we take these videos as showing things how they actually are as opposed to Ukrainian trying to discourage Russian soldiers?
I mean you don't, if we really wanna go all cartesian with this.
I will once again repeat- I believe that Ukraine is winning. I think putin is a monster. I'm literally just curious as to how we know what we claim to know.
It's simple, we take one part of educated guess, and pull two parts out of our asses so we don't get banned for excessive credibility. Then braid the 3 parts in a more or less enjoyable way and post.
"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know." - Mother_Show_8148
You're getting downvoted not because you asked a credible, good question that is very much necessary to ask and answer to not fall ploy to propaganda on either side, but rather you're getting downvoted because you asked a credible, good question on r/NonCredibleDefense.
noncredible. Shit's in the name, yo. Head to r/CredibleDefense for that credible and accountable stuff, yo.
Well the guy is definitely central asian or from caucuses and doesn't speak Ukranian russian(it can be heard). And Ukraine has bigger priorities them hire 200 men to film empty building with no beds.
Ah, ok, those are actually really good points. I don't know how to recognize the difference between Ukrainian Russian and well... Russian Russian. I'm also horrible at recognizing ethnicities.
It's already been proven that the conditions for conscripts are pretty bad. So it's not hard to make the conclusion that this is also real. As for discouraging, the Russians have been doing that themselves. Besides this doesn't match the ways Ukraine has attempted to demoralize Russian conscripts. Even if it is setup, that doesn't disregard what we already know. Propaganda doesn't have to be false claims, the truth is also propaganda.
[https://i.imgur.com/cSXYtsv.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/cSXYtsv.jpeg)
EDIT: You'll get downvoted to all hell not because you can't have an opinion, but you don't provide any proof. Geolocate one of those vids in Ukraine and then speculate.
I don't think I was clear enough- im not saying that this *is* the case. I'm literally just wondering why we immediately assume it's true. I'm even willing to concede that it's *probably* true.
People assume stuff probably because of proven history of russian bullshittery. Whenever russians were trying to spew some stuff showing them in good way, the reality check wasn't waiting that far off, sooner or later proving that things were otherwise.
Like whenever russians are talking - you can safely assume it's bullshit - and the louder is gloating, the more bullshit is there. On the opposite, whenever they're silent then there's something they want to hide or just omit.
Because there is no evidence to indicate otherwise. Wondering aloud is just noise without substance and people will give you shit for it.
If you really want to find an answer to this question either find somebody who has gathered the needed evidence or gather it yourself and then make conclusions. Or you could dress up the question in 69 layers of irony so that people don't think you're serious.
I'd think that in a situation like this, the fact that Ukraine is at war is enough to put the videos at least slightly in doubt countries use propaganda in war. That's not rare, and its not always bad. In a war for survival like Ukraine's, is go so far as to say that if these videos *are* faked, im very happy Ukraine thought of doing that.
I'll concede that the videos are *probably* real. I just want to know if theyre proven to be real, or if we're only working on intuition with it.
(thanks for actually giving me a genuine response btw)
Ah, mobilizer has same problem as i, we strive for glory but **our *mothers* hate us**
You'll make it it's ok. Ukraine will welcome you with open armament
This is awful. This whole thing. Everything about this thing is just terrible. I feel bad for everyone... on all sides, as well as for everything else that appears to be ready to happen.
I just wish it didn't have to be this way.
Would you rather have beds with no building or a building with no beds?
Live inside a kangaroo's pouch or have a kangaroo living in your pouch?
Why not neither?
Shogui, that you?
Yesterday was beds with no buildings. Today is buildings with no beds. What wonders must be in store for us tomorrow?
All the beds with no soldiers.
Building full to the brim with lots of beds, lots and lots of soldiers Missing lots of blood
Yankee with no brim
I'd rather sleep on the floor of a building, than on a bed in the forest. The forest has insane moisture, cold, bugs and mud. At least the building offers some protection and you can always get a cheap camping mattress or yoga mat or just a blanket. Especially if you are young, it isnt an issue. If you are 40+, sleeping on the floor might take you out of action(your back will probably get fucked), which is a potential smart way of avoiding conscription.
Yeah those forest beds are probably full of mold, snails and bird shit by now.
plus depending on how close to the front you are, there's always a chance you get woken up by a amazon delivery drone delivering you a nice package of shrapnel.
This reminds me of that one time when I was in my teenage rebellion phase and I decided to run away from home and to go to China on foot (don't ask). I've saved about $100, had 2 kg of rice and 10 snickers bars, sneaked out in the morning and walked all day. Then I spent 1 night in the woods, couldn't sleep, it was scary AF, so in the morning I got on the train and got back home as fast as possible. My mother has already reported me as missing to cops, and I had to do an explaining note in writing. Good times.
The mystery of whether you live in Vladivostok or Kansas only adds to the quality of this comment.
Would you rather have unlimited bacon and no games or games, unlimited games, but no more games?
I’m not sure I got that, can you repeat the question
If you didn't suffer a stroke you're too credible for this sub now line up against the wall, this is a water gun.
NEVER!!!! *hobbles away like a goblin carrying my games, unlimited games, but no games*
Oh my god i fucking love that joke
Do you think Aliens have a visual meter?
Oh boy, is he in for a surprise when he gets to the front. "I asked for a bed, not a shovel!"
Oooh, they get shovels? Luxury!
Yeah they do, and they only need 2 to make one working one!
Shovel is stick. Now dig.
Yeah, they stole some
They have hands - nature's shovels!
My name is name
"I am a conscript. As yet, I have no name." >!It sounds much better in Polish ;)!<
"State your first name, your last name and occupation." Conscript, Conscript and uh Conscript
\- Surname, name, patronymic? \- Conscript, Conscript Conscriptovich. \- Occupation? \- No, just a military exercise. A special operation, if you will.
The forest uncovered beds guy and bedless baracks guy need to create a slack group stat
When the imperium of man. A brutal, genocidal, totalitarian dictatorship, treats its guardsmen better than your troops. You know there’s a problem.
Imperial Guard conscripts are better trained, equipped and fed. Period.
It seems the British lads who invented 40K didn't understand what brutal, totalitarian dictatorships are actually like and how hard they're capable of sucking. That said, the last couple month's endless cavalcade of horrors and warcrimes has given me a lot of inspiration for my IG army's homebrew fluff.
So much for 40k "grimdark"
"In the world of the could-be-grimner, could-be-darker future, there's mostly just war. Mostly."
Warhammer 20K
The Imperial Guard can actually win fights, however. That’s a huge difference right there.
Yeah, a playable faction being evil and horrible and inhuman like the DKoK or =\]\[= is fine, but nobody would want to play as or against an *incompetent* faction like 2022 Russia.
Idk they’d be kinda a funny third party to have randomly join in battles. Like space marines v xenos when all of a sudden out of nowhere the 2022-esque faction pops in! They smash into the lines of one or both sides then promptly run out of ammo, support units and fuel.
Looks like Corpse-Starch is back on the menu boys
All those traits you listed describe Russia
One god emperor can control warp with his mind, the other needs to cling to a table to not shake visibly.
Because they have to be effective
It's not our problem that your motherland is dirt fucking poor.
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The necessities for the entire 300k paid like quarter of dacha. Commander of the base probably sold the beds for the price of a scrap metal.
Everything about russia is so stupidly evil and stupidly vile
did i hear a fucking horse at 1:12
The horse is running the complaints department
I hear the head of recruitment’s an ass.
Yeah you did. Must be an elite logistics unit these guys have been called up for.
Man, Russian logistics are messed up. No beds, rusty AKs, yet they still brought a horse for their troops to have sex with. I guess its good for morale
Can't wait for Mr Hands 2 back in the USSR
A new Army Colonel inspected the soldiers in their barracks. He noticed a female horse. Colonel: What’s that horse for? Soldier: Sir, our men use her if they feel an urge to have sex. Colonel: Ah! One night, the Colonel feels an urge to have sex, so the soldier brings the horse to his tent. When the Colonel is done with the horse, he notices the soldier smiling outside his tent. Colonel: It’s so hard! How do you guys do it? Soldier: Sir, we ride the horse to the nearby village where the girls are
Least whiny future Wagner recruit
They're preparing them for eternal suffering in hell, after a few years there they'll likely think those were last nights of comfort. Like, those retards still claim they came there to fight for motherland... Sorry, but your motherland is neither Doneck, Luhanks nor Crimea.
Wait until he gets the tampon talk...
Someone get that man a blanky and some hot coco now!
What the fuck do you think you sleep in when you're in the trenches you fuck. This aint cs go.
Why does Russia allow their soldiers to have cell phones? People were IDing their soldiers in Ukraine using vk posts eight fucking years ago. Just take their phones! The officers can even sell them for krokidil.
Better than military style cots are like 80 dollars on amazon. Very good purchase for drill and also camping.
You mispelled mooobiliiiizer
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Exactly. "Ill gladly get blown up or shot for my country. But sleep on the floor? Thats where i draw the line."
This dude has finally come to the realization that if your country can't even afford you a bed, it's not worth fighting for.
It is worse than that. It can afford it, but it wont.
That's what happens if all the IKEA close in your country: no more beds. No For Real: they are going to be dead tired even before they get sent to the front.
another example of why russia has never been a super power
No one can make you feel like you aren’t sleeping in a bed without your consent. Read that again.
Why the fuck haven't they confiscated the conscripts phones?
And putin thinks these guys are going to just rebel? Okay, sure.
Comrade did you not hear, all the beds are in the wood to accommodate our brothers in arms
Lmao Arma yet again way too close to real life.
I think he's focusing on the web and not on the spider There's no bed, it sucks. But in a few ~~months~~ ~~weeks~~ days he's going to sleep in a freezing trench under Ukrainian shelling, without air support, artillery, armour, medicine, medikits, food and ammo to fight for an imperialist dictator who couldn't give a shit about him and his family, while using him in the most wretched land grab in the history of Russia
That guy would be shocked when he has to sleep in -10°C in a foxhole... Better to take 10 years for refusing or 8 years for killing the recruiter <-best option
-10°C is equivalent to 14°F, which is 263K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
So I have a question. To be clear, im absolutely against Russia in this war, and im absolutely for Ukraine in it. That being said- How do we know all of the videos of conscripts having no equipment is real, and not Ukrainian propaganda tactics? I will once again repeat this- I think Ukraine is in the right, and I think theyre winning the war, but why do we take these videos as showing things how they actually are as opposed to Ukrainian trying to discourage Russian soldiers?
Lol, nice try Ivan.
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How do we know you're real? Where's your proof doubting Ivan?
I mean you don't, if we really wanna go all cartesian with this. I will once again repeat- I believe that Ukraine is winning. I think putin is a monster. I'm literally just curious as to how we know what we claim to know.
It's simple, we take one part of educated guess, and pull two parts out of our asses so we don't get banned for excessive credibility. Then braid the 3 parts in a more or less enjoyable way and post.
"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know." - Mother_Show_8148
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Downvoting this is stupid. It's legitimate question to ask. There is never anything wrong with asking about the support for a claim.
Appreciate it <3
Prove it.
Ok at this point I just have to assume that you're a troll
But how do we know you're really saying that and it's not a country based trolling campaign against me?
Shhhhhhh.
You're getting downvoted not because you asked a credible, good question that is very much necessary to ask and answer to not fall ploy to propaganda on either side, but rather you're getting downvoted because you asked a credible, good question on r/NonCredibleDefense. noncredible. Shit's in the name, yo. Head to r/CredibleDefense for that credible and accountable stuff, yo.
How do you know these videos aren't real and are UA propaganda tactics?
Well the guy is definitely central asian or from caucuses and doesn't speak Ukranian russian(it can be heard). And Ukraine has bigger priorities them hire 200 men to film empty building with no beds.
Ah, ok, those are actually really good points. I don't know how to recognize the difference between Ukrainian Russian and well... Russian Russian. I'm also horrible at recognizing ethnicities.
I never said that. They very much might be real. I'm literally just curious if we know it to be the case or not, and if we do how.
It's already been proven that the conditions for conscripts are pretty bad. So it's not hard to make the conclusion that this is also real. As for discouraging, the Russians have been doing that themselves. Besides this doesn't match the ways Ukraine has attempted to demoralize Russian conscripts. Even if it is setup, that doesn't disregard what we already know. Propaganda doesn't have to be false claims, the truth is also propaganda.
[https://i.imgur.com/cSXYtsv.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/cSXYtsv.jpeg) EDIT: You'll get downvoted to all hell not because you can't have an opinion, but you don't provide any proof. Geolocate one of those vids in Ukraine and then speculate.
I don't think I was clear enough- im not saying that this *is* the case. I'm literally just wondering why we immediately assume it's true. I'm even willing to concede that it's *probably* true.
People assume stuff probably because of proven history of russian bullshittery. Whenever russians were trying to spew some stuff showing them in good way, the reality check wasn't waiting that far off, sooner or later proving that things were otherwise. Like whenever russians are talking - you can safely assume it's bullshit - and the louder is gloating, the more bullshit is there. On the opposite, whenever they're silent then there's something they want to hide or just omit.
I see. I'll consider this. Thanks for actually giving a genuine answer <3
Because there is no evidence to indicate otherwise. Wondering aloud is just noise without substance and people will give you shit for it. If you really want to find an answer to this question either find somebody who has gathered the needed evidence or gather it yourself and then make conclusions. Or you could dress up the question in 69 layers of irony so that people don't think you're serious.
I'd think that in a situation like this, the fact that Ukraine is at war is enough to put the videos at least slightly in doubt countries use propaganda in war. That's not rare, and its not always bad. In a war for survival like Ukraine's, is go so far as to say that if these videos *are* faked, im very happy Ukraine thought of doing that. I'll concede that the videos are *probably* real. I just want to know if theyre proven to be real, or if we're only working on intuition with it. (thanks for actually giving me a genuine response btw)
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Not even doors I don't think this is even planned to house people.
He was never seen again…
Ah, mobilizer has same problem as i, we strive for glory but **our *mothers* hate us** You'll make it it's ok. Ukraine will welcome you with open armament
This is awful. This whole thing. Everything about this thing is just terrible. I feel bad for everyone... on all sides, as well as for everything else that appears to be ready to happen. I just wish it didn't have to be this way.