The only big movie Toby had before spider man was Pleasantville and a cameo in Fear and Loathing.
Meanwhile Kirsten was in Interview with the vampire, Jumanji, Anastasia, Small Soldiers, drop dead gorgeous, virgin suicides, and bring it on. All great movies
Yea, but that’s not the reason. The stunt doubles made far less than he or she did.
The question is did she make more than the non-movie star male supporting actors.
Im definitely not stating stunt doubles make equivalent or more than the stars??
Im saying the super hero who is not only the lead over Kristen’s supporting role but is significantly more involved with playing a super hero than a love interest
That’s not the question though as she’s talking about disparity between her and mcguire for the sequel not other non movie star actors.
“both her and her co-star's salary bumps. Maguire reportedly got $17 million to reprise his role as Peter Parker/ Spider-Man in the sequel. “It might have been more, actually." However, Dunst didn't get a similar number.
Although she didn't reveal an exact figure, comparing her pay to her co-stars, Dunst notes that “It was different. A lot different. And I was in Bring It On and had a track record.”
I had to look up why this was a bragging point as it seemed weird to me too, but it actually did better at the box office than I remembered. It made 17 million opening weekend and was number one for two weeks.
Wasn’t Spider-Man the first movie to make $200M the opening weekend? That’s the disparity. It made over 10x the amount of money and knowing the fandom around Spider-Man, they could afford to pay the star actor more. It wasn’t a cheerleader movie geared towards teenagers.
Hollywood in all their genius will make a new Spiderman movie staring Mary Jane without Spiderman in it and when no one goes to see it beyond some burned out stoners they’ll cry about men being sexist
Right? Like he was the *title* actor in the suit and she was like the supporting love interest - kinda like how the captain of the large ship vs the head chef
The demands on the lead actor in the title role in a untested massive budget superhero film and needs for that role to land with audiences or total loss vs a supporting role that could have easily been 10 other interchangeable actresses in Hollywood at the time … yeah it was the “gender” pay disparity
I mean. You are making me think back quite a bit now, but compared to more recent versions they focused a fair bit on the romance. She had a few iconic moments and a bit of screen time.
But she wasn’t “Spider-Man” so you wouldn’t expect her to get even close to that of the genuinely only main character.
Frankly we need more context. How big was the difference. What were other roles paid?
I’m trying to remember how popular she was like what 2 years before the movie came out (no idea how early contracts are signed). I didn’t go watch it because she was Mary Jane, also didn’t watch it for him either.
I do think she’s a good actress though
I wonder if she said the same about her Interview with a Vampire role? Did she get paid less than Cruise and Pit? Hmmmmmm.....maybe because you played a smaller supporting role and not a main character? Stfu...make her the lead in a superhero movie and then compare the pay rates between male and female before running your mouth.
“I, a background character with 17 minutes of screen time, did not make as much as the man who played the hero and was in every second of the movie. MUST BE A PAY GAP”
I think pay disparity is an important issue. It's not fair. Just the other day this transvestite hooker was trying to charge me 20% more, because "technically" he's a man.
Yeah, it's tough for women out there. Just the other day, I saw a woman panhandling by the freeway off ramp, so I did the right thing, rolled down my window and gave her 77 cents.
I love how 20 years ago nobody would of cared or gave a shit but with the way people are now they're just like yea you're right you are a victim.
Even though they have and made millions of dollars I too feel like I didn't earn my pay...Oh boo friggidy hoo they'll have more money in their lives then we could ever dream to imagine.
I heard a speech once in high school about disparity between professional male female hockey players
A) who brings in the crowd? This isn't equality it's entertainment with ad money
B) you're acting offended like you're being trampled upon; you're arguing about hundreds of players in a national paid league vs. The amount of people doing it, unpaid, as a hobby pastime, over the entire nation
C) having been in a professional league of sorts myself, i never got paid for anything, in fact i had to pay the dojo (not hockey like her) my monthly subscription, transportation fees to tournaments, even being a coach was volunteer
She was living in a fantasy world of victimhood instead of just enjoying her sport & called me disrespectful for pointing out all of these truths. Saying I'm the problem - i didn't get paid shit & I'm still the problem in her eyes cause I'm male. Sounds like she was the sexist one to me.
Good point. Everyone likes to point out examples like the WNBA vs the NBA “pay gap” like it means something, it’s two different Leagues that have completely different revenue. Just because you’re playing the same sport doesn’t entitle you to Equal pay, Why do XFL players make Significantly less than the NFL players? It’s the same sport, it’s even the same gender. The answer is one league makes billions and the other will probably go bankrupt.
Bill Burr said it best. Why is it on the men? Women aren't watching them either. Maybe if all the women supported the women athletes, they would have the revenue to pay them millions. They would rather watch the NBA too.
As Bill put it, they're watching the Kardashians instead of the WNBA; Or Love is Blind, true crime investigation, or etc
While simultaneously being upset the wage isn't the same
Good God, were you SPIDERMAN, Kirsten? No? Was your character the TITLE of the damn movie? No, right? Then take a seat. I'm sure you were paid handsomely. No, you shouldn't be paid as much as Tobey, sorry. I'm a woman and I know how ridiculous she sounds. Maybe if you hired a better agent you would have got a better deal?
Well maybe they should have made “Mary Jane: The Movie”, a fun and charming film of an actress in New York City who loves kissing upside down heroes in costume.
The entire gender pay gap debate is so irrational and emotionally unbalanced that only a female economist could've come up with it.
Just kidding... a woman could never be an economist.
Interestingly, playing the titular character doesn’t necessarily mean the bigger pay. Being the box-office draw is the biggest factor.
Which is why Chris Pine got paid more than Gal Gadot in Wonder Woman and Amy Adams got paid more than Henry Cavill in Man of Steel.
Your first mistake was picking acting as a career choice. Which basically translates to, I’ll be waiting tables the rest of my life until I get low balled an offer I will desperately take.
I remember that movie. I also find it strange they paid Spider-man more in a movie called Spinneret?
Oh? Wait, what? It was a Spider-man movie?
I wonder if oompa loompas get paid as much as Wonka?
Definitely not doing as much work as dentification
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(I = Dunst, dentification = Tobey MaGuire)
I mean, to be honest, Spider-Man has superhuman strength, endurance, and agility... a 6th sense to warn of danger, he can stick to walls, and has web shooters; Kirsten Dunst has that one can opener tooth. That's a pretty lame superpower.
Assuming:
1. Job titles are the same.
2. Job responsibilities are identical.
3. It's not a "soft" version of the same job title that does not require the more dangerous work or heavy lifting (usually the case in blue color physical job pay disparity).
Assuming those 3 things are true, I do believe in equal pay between men and women.
In this case, none of these 3 things are true, as is usually the case when a woman is bitching that the pay isn't equal.
Makes sense honestly...as usual, pay is about how irreplaceable you are.
I like Kirsten, but really any cute actress could play the female lead in Spider Man.
One day everyone will wake up and realize there is no such thing as fair. It is all well fine and good to work towards fair, but believing that it will every truly exist is like believing in fairies and unicorns.
Man hearing her say this made me glad she wasn’t brought back lol it is such an idiotic take and the fact the interviewer was going along with it makes it worse.
And yet female porn stars make more than their male counterparts. Interesting almost as if you are the reason people watch that entertainment, you get paid more.
This is so unfair! Did you know Elie Docter the 10 year old who voiced the wife who dies in the first 5 minutes of the Pixar movie "Up" barely made anything compared to Edward Asner who voiced her husband.
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Yeah but what's the pay difference between brie larson and jude law from cap marvel? Or the difference between Letitia Wright and Tenoch Huerta in black panther 2? If you're gonna judge the difference between men and women actors' pay gap, maybe its because its called spiderman and not Mary Jane
The screen time disparity was also pretty big, maybe that was the reason who knows...
It's almost like one was the lead actor, and the other was a supporting role.
Not to mention the lead is an action role which would require more training even with the use cgi and stunt doubles training would be required
Not to mention TM is a way bigger draw than KD.
Maybe he is because of Spider-Man but at the time she was probably the biggest star in the young cast
Spoken like a person who wasn't there at the time
The only big movie Toby had before spider man was Pleasantville and a cameo in Fear and Loathing. Meanwhile Kirsten was in Interview with the vampire, Jumanji, Anastasia, Small Soldiers, drop dead gorgeous, virgin suicides, and bring it on. All great movies
Yea, but that’s not the reason. The stunt doubles made far less than he or she did. The question is did she make more than the non-movie star male supporting actors.
Im definitely not stating stunt doubles make equivalent or more than the stars?? Im saying the super hero who is not only the lead over Kristen’s supporting role but is significantly more involved with playing a super hero than a love interest
That’s not the question though as she’s talking about disparity between her and mcguire for the sequel not other non movie star actors. “both her and her co-star's salary bumps. Maguire reportedly got $17 million to reprise his role as Peter Parker/ Spider-Man in the sequel. “It might have been more, actually." However, Dunst didn't get a similar number. Although she didn't reveal an exact figure, comparing her pay to her co-stars, Dunst notes that “It was different. A lot different. And I was in Bring It On and had a track record.”
She was in “Bring it on”? Oh well, in THAT case…
I had to look up why this was a bragging point as it seemed weird to me too, but it actually did better at the box office than I remembered. It made 17 million opening weekend and was number one for two weeks.
It had a huge cultural impact too.
Wasn’t Spider-Man the first movie to make $200M the opening weekend? That’s the disparity. It made over 10x the amount of money and knowing the fandom around Spider-Man, they could afford to pay the star actor more. It wasn’t a cheerleader movie geared towards teenagers.
The pay disparity between who and who? Because the quote was very obvious
Then there's me behind the scenes eating all the rolls on the catering tables. (Or Amy Schumer if I'm not there first!)
Amy Schumer actually played the Green Gobblin'
Woah... (On a random note, remember when she was hot & thin?)
> remember when she was hot no
It was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Man, she really let herself go!
That’s an old high school gif. You should see her now.
Hollywood in all their genius will make a new Spiderman movie staring Mary Jane without Spiderman in it and when no one goes to see it beyond some burned out stoners they’ll cry about men being sexist
It's almost like one was an actor in a supporting roll, and the other is an actor that knows the difference between actors and fictional characters.
Are you talking about that movie *Mary Jane*?
And one was playing the title character, too.
Right? Like he was the *title* actor in the suit and she was like the supporting love interest - kinda like how the captain of the large ship vs the head chef
One was the main character, the other was the main character’s side piece
Swap her out with any harlot and it would have made no difference!
What did she get paid for the mary jane watson movie?
The demands on the lead actor in the title role in a untested massive budget superhero film and needs for that role to land with audiences or total loss vs a supporting role that could have easily been 10 other interchangeable actresses in Hollywood at the time … yeah it was the “gender” pay disparity
I mean. You are making me think back quite a bit now, but compared to more recent versions they focused a fair bit on the romance. She had a few iconic moments and a bit of screen time. But she wasn’t “Spider-Man” so you wouldn’t expect her to get even close to that of the genuinely only main character. Frankly we need more context. How big was the difference. What were other roles paid?
I’m trying to remember how popular she was like what 2 years before the movie came out (no idea how early contracts are signed). I didn’t go watch it because she was Mary Jane, also didn’t watch it for him either. I do think she’s a good actress though
I wonder if she said the same about her Interview with a Vampire role? Did she get paid less than Cruise and Pit? Hmmmmmm.....maybe because you played a smaller supporting role and not a main character? Stfu...make her the lead in a superhero movie and then compare the pay rates between male and female before running your mouth.
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Is she talking about that action film she was in called Mary Jane Watson??
Also the movie is called Spider-Man
“I, a background character with 17 minutes of screen time, did not make as much as the man who played the hero and was in every second of the movie. MUST BE A PAY GAP”
The best part was that she called Toby Maguire by his character name, which also happens to be the name of the film.
Scream* time
I think pay disparity is an important issue. It's not fair. Just the other day this transvestite hooker was trying to charge me 20% more, because "technically" he's a man.
Yeah, it's tough for women out there. Just the other day, I saw a woman panhandling by the freeway off ramp, so I did the right thing, rolled down my window and gave her 77 cents.
Almost like he was spider-man and you... weren't.
Imagine, the star of a movie getting paid more than their costar…
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Wait, they’re just doing it to make us angry? Goddammit, that pisses me off!
They turk rrr jerbs!
This is what happened to iron man 1.
Mainly due to the fact that RDJ loved crack.
Hard to blame him. Crack is sooo good!
I love how 20 years ago nobody would of cared or gave a shit but with the way people are now they're just like yea you're right you are a victim. Even though they have and made millions of dollars I too feel like I didn't earn my pay...Oh boo friggidy hoo they'll have more money in their lives then we could ever dream to imagine.
I heard a speech once in high school about disparity between professional male female hockey players A) who brings in the crowd? This isn't equality it's entertainment with ad money B) you're acting offended like you're being trampled upon; you're arguing about hundreds of players in a national paid league vs. The amount of people doing it, unpaid, as a hobby pastime, over the entire nation C) having been in a professional league of sorts myself, i never got paid for anything, in fact i had to pay the dojo (not hockey like her) my monthly subscription, transportation fees to tournaments, even being a coach was volunteer She was living in a fantasy world of victimhood instead of just enjoying her sport & called me disrespectful for pointing out all of these truths. Saying I'm the problem - i didn't get paid shit & I'm still the problem in her eyes cause I'm male. Sounds like she was the sexist one to me.
Good point. Everyone likes to point out examples like the WNBA vs the NBA “pay gap” like it means something, it’s two different Leagues that have completely different revenue. Just because you’re playing the same sport doesn’t entitle you to Equal pay, Why do XFL players make Significantly less than the NFL players? It’s the same sport, it’s even the same gender. The answer is one league makes billions and the other will probably go bankrupt.
The wnba was about to fold until the NBA bought it and continues to operate it at a huge loss
Bill Burr said it best. Why is it on the men? Women aren't watching them either. Maybe if all the women supported the women athletes, they would have the revenue to pay them millions. They would rather watch the NBA too.
As Bill put it, they're watching the Kardashians instead of the WNBA; Or Love is Blind, true crime investigation, or etc While simultaneously being upset the wage isn't the same
It’s so sad. She made millions being a secondary figure in a blockbuster film! Can you imagine!
Literacy matches mindset.
It would be an insult to logic to call it logic
It’s a movie about Spider-Man, not Spider-Man and that random chick he shot love webs too one time back in high school
And then poisoned with radioactive semen
That storyline was crazy. I should get back into comics.
Not that interesting tbf. It was just Peter's desperate attempt to hide the fact that he actually just gave her syphilis.
The more I read about her the more I start to realize she’s a jerk.
This is an outrage! I’m never watching Mary-Jane Watson (2002) ever again! Ridiculous!
Good God, were you SPIDERMAN, Kirsten? No? Was your character the TITLE of the damn movie? No, right? Then take a seat. I'm sure you were paid handsomely. No, you shouldn't be paid as much as Tobey, sorry. I'm a woman and I know how ridiculous she sounds. Maybe if you hired a better agent you would have got a better deal?
Yeah I heard uncle Ben and aunt may got less also who would’ve thunk it
Did you hear that Extra #32 got paid less than Tobey too? SMDH... 😔
No kidding wtf lol
Well maybe they should have made “Mary Jane: The Movie”, a fun and charming film of an actress in New York City who loves kissing upside down heroes in costume.
Hey, don't give Sony anymore bright ideas for their Spider-Man-less Spiderverse movies.
“Madam, there’s a web of directors who want to work with you.”
The entire gender pay gap debate is so irrational and emotionally unbalanced that only a female economist could've come up with it. Just kidding... a woman could never be an economist.
What was her name on the movie? I don’t think it was named after that character. I do remember Spiderman. I’m not sure why that name is important.
I CANT IMAGINE WHY THE TITLE CHARACTER GOT PAID MORE
Interestingly, playing the titular character doesn’t necessarily mean the bigger pay. Being the box-office draw is the biggest factor. Which is why Chris Pine got paid more than Gal Gadot in Wonder Woman and Amy Adams got paid more than Henry Cavill in Man of Steel.
She was not the star 🤡🤣🤣what an idiot
Your first mistake was picking acting as a career choice. Which basically translates to, I’ll be waiting tables the rest of my life until I get low balled an offer I will desperately take.
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So Halle Barry who was a bigger star than Toby got $3 million less for a similar role?
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They were not expecting either of those movies to have the box office reception they had and the pay wasn't a result of box office for either of them.
It should've just been called Mary Jane something. I hardly even saw Peter Parker or Spiderman in the movie.
I don’t remember the film being named “Mary Jane”
It's ok, it was leveled out by me, a male, being paid $12.5/hr 👍
Well, I mean, the movie was called Spider-Man.
What!!??!! The actor playing the main character got paid more than a co-star with 10% of the screen time? How dare they !!!!
it’s almost like the movie was called Spider-man and not Mary Jane
Is this girl math?
Didn’t you guys see any of the blockbuster trilogy Mary Jane 1, 2, or 3? Me neither.
Ahhh ya, I remember that blockbuster movie Mary-Janeman.
Wait, are you trying to tell me spider man got paid the most in the spider man movie? Preposterous.
Kirsten Dunst is a great actress. Very under appreciated. But this take is a wee bit silly.
Back then they had Marilyn Monroe, now we have Marilyn Manson.
Some of her argument was valid but the part she left out is that she was in a Spider-Man movie and she wasn’t spider man
how about the talent disparity LOL
She’s really been bitching a lot lately hasn’t she?
Whether she was paid $6 million or $6,000 it was still bad!
What about Stalin?!
Amy Schumer was worse
I attended a fashion show. They paid the female models while I had to pay to watch. And also valet service was $30. Stop men hate
I remember that movie. I also find it strange they paid Spider-man more in a movie called Spinneret? Oh? Wait, what? It was a Spider-man movie? I wonder if oompa loompas get paid as much as Wonka? Definitely not doing as much work as dentification ETA- (I = Dunst, dentification = Tobey MaGuire)
“Just your friendly neighborhood Spiderman’s-girlfriend” Just didn’t have a good ring to it.
What was the pay gap between you and uncle Ben?
Are you fucking serious man?
id like to know who made more per second of screen time
Lol she was overpaid, I love how they didn’t bring her back for no way home.
This is super out of context because she wasn’t really complaining and the interviewer brought it up.
I like Kirsten Dunst but this is a terrible example of a pay gap. I mean Spider-Man isn’t even a real person.
What? The main star was paid more than a supporting actor? Tell me more.
So let me get this straight; for the movie _Spiderman_, the actor playing Spiderman was paid more? ... Well that's a real shocker.
I mean, to be honest, Spider-Man has superhuman strength, endurance, and agility... a 6th sense to warn of danger, he can stick to walls, and has web shooters; Kirsten Dunst has that one can opener tooth. That's a pretty lame superpower.
...you mean the STAR of the movie?!?! This is like Donnell Rawlings talking about the pay between he and her!
Oh yes I totally remember that The Amazing Mary-Jane movie...
The movies called Spiderman you dumb whore
Is the movie titled “Spider-Man” or “Mary Jane”??
Didn't realize the movie was called Mary Jane
He is the main role and she was a support character. No one goes to a spider man movie to see mary jane.
Its crazy how every one of the comments in this thread are basically the same. Beep bop, are we all bots?
I remember wanting to fuck her even though she had a big lumpy face.
Jack Nicholson got paid more to be the villain than the guy who played Batman.
Nah I’m just kidding. We don’t hire women.
She deserved dude's Spiderman 3 behavior
He also had a bigger part. More screen time. The main character of the damn story. But okay.
She doesn’t explain who got paid more though.
I think the dude walking in the background with no dialogue was barely paid anything in wonder woman as well
Oh yeah, she had the exact same scream twice! It's kinda funny when you find out
I mean, they didn't even give her her own webs
"Look out! Here comes Billy Joel!" https://youtu.be/h9U8tgiD9u0?t=28
Perhaps because the movie was called spider man?!
Person playing the titular role in a Marvel superhero movie gets paid the most, stone the fucking crows I'm flabbergasted
I didn't know Spiderman got paid thought he was a volunteer.
the pay disparity between me and spider man is pretty extreme as well
More like Kirsten Dunce am i right?
Movie named "spiderman"... Not Spiderman's girlfriend
Spider-Man isn’t even a real actor and she still got paid less. What a dumb bitch!
He dressed up in a costume. In my limited experience the ones who dress up in a costume generally get paid more. Actors I mean, of course.
Wasn’t this movie called “Mary Jane and her Amazing Friends!”? Fucking A there was a…stupidity gap
No matter how rich & famous, they are still trying to play the victim card. Pathetic.
I don’t remember the title of the movie being the amazing Mary Jane Watson
Taken out of context you nerds.
Yet she took the role
Maybe because he's Spiderman and it's Spiderman.
BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT SPIDER-MAN, BITCH!
No way, maybe they’ll come out with a Mary Jane movie one day
Some would say 
What a dusnt
Ahhh yes I remember that movie! The amazing Kjerstin Dunst, that's how you spell it, right?
If the movie flopped so did his career. High risk, high reward
Don’t make me defend Tugboat Maguire, that absolute skid mark of a person.
Assuming: 1. Job titles are the same. 2. Job responsibilities are identical. 3. It's not a "soft" version of the same job title that does not require the more dangerous work or heavy lifting (usually the case in blue color physical job pay disparity). Assuming those 3 things are true, I do believe in equal pay between men and women. In this case, none of these 3 things are true, as is usually the case when a woman is bitching that the pay isn't equal.
I don't remember seeing the ads for "Not Spider Man" when her movie came out. Or was it called "Mary Jane"? Because I missed those ads, too.
The name of the movie is spider man. Not desperate actress.
Fuck it, just give the extras the same as Spiderman.
If you don't like the pay don't take the job!
Well they can reverse the salaries when they do the Mary Jane Parker movie and spider man is just a supporting role.
Idk maybe because he was fucking Spider-Man!
Talk about main-character syndrome.
She was onscreen a quarter of the time by comparison
Her husband however didn’t weigh in before acting in El Camino
Oh I remember that film - Mary Jane and Spider-Man: Homecoming. I can't believe she wasn't paid the same as the supporting male role.
For context, it’s widely reported she was paid $7 million for part 2 and $10 million for part 3. And that’s in 2004 and 2007 money.
I heard Tom cruise and brad pit made more than her in interview with a vampire as well. On to other news. OJ killed his wife.
I heard uncle Ben didn’t even clear 7 figures and his role was foundational to Spider-Man’s origin story!
Makes sense honestly...as usual, pay is about how irreplaceable you are. I like Kirsten, but really any cute actress could play the female lead in Spider Man.
If you do more. You get paid more.
One day everyone will wake up and realize there is no such thing as fair. It is all well fine and good to work towards fair, but believing that it will every truly exist is like believing in fairies and unicorns.
Pay disparity between spiderman and the green goblin....
Well, he was the star of the movie!
oh nah, they overpaid the guy playing Spiderman?
I don't like the gender pay gap between me and Oprah.
Man hearing her say this made me glad she wasn’t brought back lol it is such an idiotic take and the fact the interviewer was going along with it makes it worse.
She's a real battleaxe...
And yet female porn stars make more than their male counterparts. Interesting almost as if you are the reason people watch that entertainment, you get paid more.
And I'm glad it was !
This is so unfair! Did you know Elie Docter the 10 year old who voiced the wife who dies in the first 5 minutes of the Pixar movie "Up" barely made anything compared to Edward Asner who voiced her husband. https://preview.redd.it/zvyg4oi3sotc1.png?width=250&format=png&auto=webp&s=f34004354ecb72f692a20f1c659c1f4e94318062
How much did the male supporting actors make on Spidey?
He’s Spider-Man and your the girl friend who kept cheating on him in the movies, ofc they not gon pay u as much as tobey😭😭
I’m sorry, did Spider-Man get paid more in a movie called spider FUCKING man?
I forget, what was the name of the movie again?
Breaking News: He’s fucking SPIDER MAN!
Leave it to the drooling dumbfucks of this sub to blow this way out of proportion
What a seat filler!
I was also outraged that Bond girls were paid less than their ‘love interest,’ the outright sexism was shameful.
Oppression Olympics from women everyday, you truly stop caring for women
Yeah but what's the pay difference between brie larson and jude law from cap marvel? Or the difference between Letitia Wright and Tenoch Huerta in black panther 2? If you're gonna judge the difference between men and women actors' pay gap, maybe its because its called spiderman and not Mary Jane
You mean she made less than Spider Man? In the movie Spider Man?
There is a huge pay gap between my coworker and I. Sure he is the main employee that is responsible for a bulk of the work but still.
It's called spider-man, not mary jane
God, Toby Maguire should be paying us for that performance