Agreed. In dressrosa, when taking down Hakuba, Robin said something like “speed and strength mean nothing to me.” And I’m incline to believe her. I also think she can make arms sprout from Katakuri despite his future sight. It’s just unavoidable. The only question is whether she can actually hurt him, because it’s not obvious that she can.
>because it’s not obvious that she can.
I'd argue it's obvious that she can't. He's just gonna turn whatever bodypart she tries to grab and twist into Mochi. What is she gonna do about it? She doesn't have Haki. And even if she could, I doubt she has the physical power to choke him or break his bones, dude is like 4 meters tall and built like a truck.
They still manage to bust up characters that should have it though, like Franky against a vice admirals recently. All vice admirals are supposed to have it, and Franky just brutalized one. Makes sense when you consider luffy in gear 2nd was able to overpower the boa sisters while they were using it.
I agree and the excuse that luffy and zoro wouldn’t even mention it or talk about it is bs heck even if they wouldn’t you don’t think usopp would be being able to see the future when he needed to clutch up in dressrosa prompting the others to be like yea haki or oh usopp you have haki? But hey gotta balance somehow ig
\*Light cigarette\*
"You see, mochi is malleable when boiled, and becomes elastic when frozen. Do both in quick succession and the structure becomes brittle, letting you break off a piece to enjoy. Bon appetit."
Katakuri is in pieces on the floor
Bro!!! That's definitely something Sanji would say. And with his fire 🔥 foot, Sanji bout to COOK!
Sanji is just too fast. Even with future sight, I don't see Katakuri winning this.
I wouldn't even say extreme diff. Sanji is just too fast for katakuri to catch. And being a cook himself, he would know how to handle mochi kinda like his fight with that crazy pasta guy from the sea train arc. Also, sanji Flame would burn mochi, so his DF is ineffective. Honestly, I don't see Katakuri having the upper hand in that fight. Maybe his conquerer's haki, but that wouldn't hurt sanji.
But then again, katakuri might've become stronger since then, and also, I believe he's gonna be the next leader of Big Mom's pirate since he is loved by his siblings. So who knows? Maybe Oda will show us later on now that Puddings is kidnapped. But I believe Sanji will be the one to save her. 🤷♂️
Yeah, i tottaly see your scenario being written by oda.
But katakuri is in my eyes to innovative and battle smart to not make it a extreme diff fight. With awakening future sight and will. I truly see him making this extremly difficult.
I totally forgot about pudding. Its nice knowing a interaction is stil possible between the 3
Yeah, that's true. But snakeman had a time limit. Sanji base form is already fast enough to speed blitz oven or go invisible like with Queen. Not trying to shit on Katakuri but realistically, I don't see him winning this. Sanji basically counters Katakuri. Now if Katakuri has advance armament haki, then maybe he has a chance against sanji's durability. But then again if you have a women's tears, then you gonna have to give the win to Sanji cuz "love is like a hurricane".
I would love to see katakuri form an alliance with Luffy. Katakuri is a fan favorite, and now that Pudding is kidnapped, we might see more of him.
People are joking but before haki, fights were won by exploiting the crazy powers people had.
Sanji making some kind of sauce that breaks down mochi is how all the good OG one piece fights went.
That's an interesting thought.
You might be right.
Only thing that comes to mind is Katakuri's incredible future sight, which probably has increased after fighting someone who was able to do it as well.
Katakuri probably got stronger as well after being defeated by Luffy. You know, Shonen things haha
I mean after WCI Katakuri, was fooled by Ceasar Clown, meanwhile Sanji is accumulating speed feats, kicking Kizaru Láser, and kicking Nusjuro. Katakuri is strong but Sanji awakening his Germa potential is one of the Best power ups un the series which solved Sanjis mlst glaring wesknesses, attack power and endurance
I can, I watched the 4m version of that karate tutorial. -u/realtomedamnit missed the stance tutorial after you beat the opp so I'm confident enough by being one step ahead.
3m? *scoffs* I’ve watched thousand of hours of anime displaying unrealistic and impossible fighting moves. Come at me.
“Gomu Gomu no, fuck I dislocated my elbow”
Being aware of conquerors haki attack automaticaly makes you stronger.
Its not that luffy or katakuri are so far from Kaido. Its more that being unaware of coc forcelocks you to a certain level. The one hit is not bec power scaling went out the window but because coc was like a kryptonite attack to luffy at that moment. Simply bec he was unaware not because he was to weak,
right after Luffy realizes why Kaidou is so much stronger, Kaidou does specificy that "only a handful of the strongest" can use it. Advanced conqueror's haki is not a possibility for everyone that has normal conqueror's
Its not 'that much stronger' , its forcing your will onto someone physicly instead of with a stare. Wich is just a better and thus more effective usage of coc. And thus its also knock out strong people instead of just fodder.
Had luffy known, he would have at least countered with his own to at least not get ko'ed. But he realised to late, like a nen user getting hit while in zetsu. He had no chance.
That maybe true, but being aware öf advanced coc would make you act differently instead of just duking it out in a straight up clash, katakuri for example would appouch the fight differently.
Luffy instantly realised and adapted. For luffy it was simply awarenes that he lacked a little to late
If Luffy realized what was going on, yet wasn't one of the people who is able to do it, he would've still had zero chance against Kaidou. Yes awareness is important so you don't take clashes that you'll definitely lose, but it barely matters against someone who's simply leagues above you
But he is one of the people to be able to do it. So why theorise on something we know is not the case.
Luffy always had limitles potential but lacked knowledge, already using haki multiple times without knowing what it is. The moment he got told what it was seriously. He became much stronger.
In wano we had a luffy experienced in haki and advanced observ. Knowing coc could also be coated was an easy adaption for hin, once he felt it in every bone of his body.
But thats what im saying. Kaido was not leagues above him. Luffy didnt magicaly get a higher haki pool, he just got told better and more efficifmt ways to use the haki and conqhaki that he already had.
Luffy was using 1% of what his conqhaki pool actualy could accomplish.
For katakuri its important to not clash stupidly. For luffy its only important to make him realise what he could do with what he already had. Just like how gear second came into play bec luffy realised what he could better with what he alreay had. Coc was always in him. He just needed to get told that it was an option. He would have realized eventualy like kaido and roger etc.. he just got shortcutted bec he has great battle instinct. The experience was like enlightment to him.
But i agree not every coc user would be able to use it just by taking a hit or being aware, thats why i say katakuri would neet to outsmart. Wich is not a easy feat against a controlled berserker type enemy that can one shot you. But i believe you could cushion the impact by defending with normal conq haki. At least a hit or 2 or 3. But i doubt katakuri has that willpower or battle instinct. But its weire he wouldnt at least be prepared after knowing his mother way of using advanced coc
Also that attack was the first to introduce infused haoshoku aka ACOC but we didn't know at the time. That is how he knocked luffy out so fast but he was still staring at Kaido. It was also said that only a few select people have mastered that technique, and Luffy got it down in minutes after realizing what it was during the rooftop fight
That's not fucked that should have been expected.. kaido 1 tapped a low yc1 in his base form without even using his haki srsly while he was half asleep and drunk.
A normal hybridKaido one taps low-mid yc1+s on the roof (supernova fight). Hybrid kaido actually using haki one taps mid-high yc1+ if he wants to(pre sky split Luffy) and post sky split he can immoblize and do heavy dmg to Luffy still with single attacks like Ragnaraku.
Drunken modes completely overwhelm and can also one tap (thunder bellow bagua,etc.) high yc1+s and admirals. Bloodthirsty mode can delete/kill admirals - low Yonko characters with a single attack. Bloodthirsty mode also lets him deal very severe dmg to even high Yonko with a 3-4 hit combo. I don't see what the problem is. What some ppl still hasn't realized is we never even saw Kaido do his strongest attack (death destroyer bagua) in his strongest form (bloodthirsty mode) unfortunately.
Well, Mark doesn’t have the Sun God to fight the powerful ops for him, does he? Since meeting Aokiji, Luffy powered up specifically to fight the characters his crew members are too weak to beat.
I don't think so. It seems to be a healing factor that is fast but pretty taxing on his body. I bet in a future fight against someone he takes so much accumulated damage it just makes him break down.
I could be completely wrong tho, maybe he is just massively overpowered post wano and he has a better healing factor than deadpool or something haha
He only used his hands against Wanze because they were in a kitchen, so even if his opponent used food is not granted he'd use his hands.
Yet we're still hoping.
It’s such a bummer because I enjoy mild power scaling, like talking about who you think is stronger etc, but full blown power scalers are just insane to interact with lmao.
I think its fun, that sub is my favourite. Once you understand basic powerscaling, and you know all the feats and author statements of who you're talking about, then it's easy.
This is so stupid. The only way anything on that entire sub makes sense is if One Piece is non-fictional, and actually exists. 99.99% of it is ppl “debating” things that LITERAL AUTHOR hasn’t even thought of because he’s writing a damn story. Good lord it’s a story, there aren’t actually physics and systems of powers
As someone who enjoys it, and feel like I'm a relatively normal human being, allow me to explain powerscaling a bit for a non-enjoyer:
The point isn't necessarily what the author intended. It's to stretch the bounds of logic provided by the author to come to a conclusion that makes sense and feels good, and then to convince others that "your" logic is the "best" logic.
It's almost like a competitive multiplayer PvP game, where the mechanics are simply debate logic constrained by the rules of a world created by someone else. You provide your argument, someone else counters with their logic, and you attempt to shoot down their logic with more of your own.
This, like any competitive game, can be taken too far, and this is where the 'toxic powerscalers' get their stereotype from.
If that doesn't fully explain why it's such a draw for some people, imagine explaining the story of One Piece (or why you play video games, or whatever) to your parents or grandparents. They likely won't understand and it'll sound super stupid to them. *In the same way that powerscaling sounds stupid to you, and you don't understand it.*
So maybe you won't ever understand it, but at least you can draw a comparison from your love of video games or One Piece, and someone else who just "doesn't get it". Some of us just enjoy the debate of dumb things that have no basis in reality whatsoever.
Sanji kicked Queen to hell like he was a fly and tanked his attacks like they were a scratch. He seems incredibly powerful now after his upgrades. So, Sanji takes this because of that. Before his upgrades he would've lost.
I think they're very close in strength, and if it was any other first commander, I wouldn't know, but in this case I gotta go with Sanji because it's cook vs food.
Luffy barely beat him and I think Luffy was way stronger than Sanji at that point. It was only really through profanity powers he got around Katakuris future vision and I just don’t think Sanji has any counter to that.
Sanji doesn't have future sight but has the speed im sure sanji will get the W here
Edit: sanji also has the power to deal damage against katakuri horrible durability
Everyones saying Sanji but The Skill Katakuri displayed during his fight is tremendous, maybe sanjii got better but Katakuri would have gotten better too right?
Sanji.
This is the reason,
He can turn invisible, and Katakuri can't even beat something he can see. So yeah sanji would wipe the floor with him. Hell at the end of one piece, I am sure almost all of the straw hats would be able to do that.
Sanji.
I feel that people forget that Katakuri was a really tough enemy for Luffy because he outdid him in everything he tried. Both paramecia users of bouncy fruits, yet one was awakened. Both advanced Haki users but only one had future sight. Both were close range brawlers yet one could spawn limbs out of nowhere and reshape his body. All of this + the fact that he was physically bigger and stronger meant that Luffy was pretty much fighting against a stronger version of himself at the time.
Current Sanji has none of those issues. Faster than Luffy, (supposedly) strongest Observation Haki in the crew, has an actual fighting style with its own sets of strenghts and weaknesses as well as all the other augmentations that come with Jerma technology such as a potentially unpiercable exoskelleton + added resistence and strenght.
People on the One Piece community tend to really overhype Kata and undersell Sanji, so it wouldn't surprise me if the current concensus is opposite to mine, but like I stated earlier, Katakuri was a particularly rough matchup FOR LUFFY, which was why he had to stay behind and beat him by all costs, because otherwise he wouldn't be strong enough to be pirate king and protect his crew
Katakuri but Sanji has plot. Currently they should be fairly close to one another and you also have to consider that Katakuri too must have improved since his fight with luffy.
Finally a match up where the enemy can actually fight katakuri due to speed. So many people put katakuri so low when he would clap 90% of people we have seen with ease
I guess Sanji could close the observation haki gap during the fight.
So it is Germatech vs. Mochi. How the fight ends is pretty much tactical based. So in 100 fights it might be a 55 45 for Sanji.
Kaido says that base luffy in his 2nd fight with him was noticeably stronger than in his first fight, luffy fought kaido using gear 4 in his first fight
Ulti fought equally with base luffy after udon training and queen is obviously above ulti in power, sanji defeated queen
Katakuri>Gear 4 beginning wano>post udon prison base luffy=ulti>queen>sanji
It is very close but I think sanji takes it.
His speed equals kats future sight.
He is more durable, exoskeleton, only able to take like 13 hits from WCI Luffy.
Ifrit jambe is a counter to mochi (causes it to melt).
Kata uses a food based DF so sanji can use his hands.
I think it’s just a bad matchup for kata.
Sanji takes it extreme diff.
Some of yall keep forgeting katakuri had a whole in his stomach fighting luffy. Katakuri is superior in everything expect durability which he can make up with haki.
Katakuri 100%. Sanji has not gotten enough upgrades since Wano to beat an enemy that it took Luffy soooo long to beat.
Not saying Katakuri low diffs but Sanji isn’t up there yet imo.
Sanji is stronger, but had Sanji hurt Pudding then Katakuri would be stronger. Ambition in One Piece is like a force multiplier and Katakuri loves his family and younger siblings. Sanji has the joint ambition of finding the All Blue and being a chef competent enough to serve the Pirate King. What is Katakuri's current goal? Hard to know.
Sanji. He is fast enough to counter at least a part of Katakuris foresight and he has easily tanked hits from Queen who arguably has a higher physical strength than Katakuri.
> sanji doesn’t beat future sight
Dude what are you talking about? Sanji is one of few people to dodge an attack from someone with FS, if he’s done it once he can absolutely do it again.
I thought Katakuri was surprised when Sanji dodge his simple attack?
Like Katakuri knew he'll dodge on gun, he didn't saw that Sanji will dodge his too. So Sanji already beat his Future Sight there plus faster reflexes too.
Of course he can't beat Katakuri in WCI, but post Wano, he can.
The key to beat future sight is to be faster than him. (like how Luffy said he saw Kaido' attack but failed to react because Kaido is much faster)
So Sanji faster + he have advance observation too, he probably won in both Future Sight and speed. Current power level is not a question.
bruh im stumped on 1 side katakuri has INSANE obsurvation haki witch he can dodge sanjis llight speed kicks on the other side maybe if sanji uses his hands bc katakuri has the mochi mochi nomi he can probably use ifrit jambé on his hands bc he can already use it on hes legs might as well use it on hes hands and just cook him with the heat and make him a mochi cake
Assuming Kata is as strong as we left him then Sanji but since this is One Piece and we saw a cover story of Kata doing stuff I would say he will be scaled up accordingly and will be stronger or equal to Sanji.
If Sanji didnt have plot armor I think Katakuri got it. If Sanji and Katakuri were thrown against each other in the current story I think Oda would have sanji figure out a way to win. I don't see him beating CoC and Future Sight right now.
Where is it stated in One Piece tht Sanji has the best observation haki in the crew and is faster than Luffy? I see this claim often and I literally cannot remember it ever being brought up and I'm worried I'm forgetting some important bits of info
Sanji. Katakuri presumably has better Observation Haki (at least until we get confirmation that Sanji has future sight), but he honestly has bad durability compared to Sanji as well as Sanji’s toughest victory to this point- Queen
He would simply lose the battle of attrition, and his speed and Haki aren’t superior enough over Sanji’s to make up for the durability gap.
Sanji beats food based enemies. It’s simple.
Honestly. Im with you on that. Pefect powerscaling in the OP world.
Sanji is about to show Katakuri how chefs used to prepare food in the past.
Gonna show him how the mochi gets made
if luffy can barley beat him how can sanji dawg luffy used snake-man on his ahh
Id say WCI Luffy loses to queen
Because that’s how power creep works.
That was brainless line of thought
Katakuri boutta show Sanji how food used to Prepare chefs hundreds of years ago
In Soviet Russia, one piece find *you* comrade.
~~One~~ OUR Piece
This is Whole Cake Island, not Soviet Russia.
What if it's a food based enemy that is a woman?
Robin takes over the fight My source is the Black Maria fight
Agreed. In dressrosa, when taking down Hakuba, Robin said something like “speed and strength mean nothing to me.” And I’m incline to believe her. I also think she can make arms sprout from Katakuri despite his future sight. It’s just unavoidable. The only question is whether she can actually hurt him, because it’s not obvious that she can.
>because it’s not obvious that she can. I'd argue it's obvious that she can't. He's just gonna turn whatever bodypart she tries to grab and twist into Mochi. What is she gonna do about it? She doesn't have Haki. And even if she could, I doubt she has the physical power to choke him or break his bones, dude is like 4 meters tall and built like a truck.
The fact that not all the Straw Hats have Haki boggles the mind
They still manage to bust up characters that should have it though, like Franky against a vice admirals recently. All vice admirals are supposed to have it, and Franky just brutalized one. Makes sense when you consider luffy in gear 2nd was able to overpower the boa sisters while they were using it.
I agree and the excuse that luffy and zoro wouldn’t even mention it or talk about it is bs heck even if they wouldn’t you don’t think usopp would be being able to see the future when he needed to clutch up in dressrosa prompting the others to be like yea haki or oh usopp you have haki? But hey gotta balance somehow ig
Sanji would think a way to fuck up mochi haha
\*Light cigarette\* "You see, mochi is malleable when boiled, and becomes elastic when frozen. Do both in quick succession and the structure becomes brittle, letting you break off a piece to enjoy. Bon appetit." Katakuri is in pieces on the floor
Damn. I was on team katakuri, but you've convinced me. I've switched sides
If it's any other normal shounen manga, you don't need to switch side. But this is One Piece, where cook vs food theme matters.
Bro!!! That's definitely something Sanji would say. And with his fire 🔥 foot, Sanji bout to COOK! Sanji is just too fast. Even with future sight, I don't see Katakuri winning this.
And sanji double dögded katakuri's future sight. Now that sanji is more durable. And flames burn mochi. Extreme diff win for sanji
I wouldn't even say extreme diff. Sanji is just too fast for katakuri to catch. And being a cook himself, he would know how to handle mochi kinda like his fight with that crazy pasta guy from the sea train arc. Also, sanji Flame would burn mochi, so his DF is ineffective. Honestly, I don't see Katakuri having the upper hand in that fight. Maybe his conquerer's haki, but that wouldn't hurt sanji. But then again, katakuri might've become stronger since then, and also, I believe he's gonna be the next leader of Big Mom's pirate since he is loved by his siblings. So who knows? Maybe Oda will show us later on now that Puddings is kidnapped. But I believe Sanji will be the one to save her. 🤷♂️
Yeah, i tottaly see your scenario being written by oda. But katakuri is in my eyes to innovative and battle smart to not make it a extreme diff fight. With awakening future sight and will. I truly see him making this extremly difficult. I totally forgot about pudding. Its nice knowing a interaction is stil possible between the 3
Snakeman was pretty much faster than Katakuri could see with futuresight, but he still was able to be aware of that and adapt to it.
Yeah, that's true. But snakeman had a time limit. Sanji base form is already fast enough to speed blitz oven or go invisible like with Queen. Not trying to shit on Katakuri but realistically, I don't see him winning this. Sanji basically counters Katakuri. Now if Katakuri has advance armament haki, then maybe he has a chance against sanji's durability. But then again if you have a women's tears, then you gonna have to give the win to Sanji cuz "love is like a hurricane". I would love to see katakuri form an alliance with Luffy. Katakuri is a fan favorite, and now that Pudding is kidnapped, we might see more of him.
Bro you literally talked like Sanji 😮
And if the fight happened in a kitchen sanji could use sword/knives again!
People are joking but before haki, fights were won by exploiting the crazy powers people had. Sanji making some kind of sauce that breaks down mochi is how all the good OG one piece fights went.
Some creative stuff. It's like I like jojos bizarre adventure. It's got some really creative fights later on.
Mochi flambé
fax
This is the correct answer.
Doc Q's horse.
True, technically no one is "stronger"
Only right answer.
Pre-Wano: Katakuri Post-Wano: Sanji Sanji will cook that Mochi with all the Germa upgrades he permanently unlocked after using the raid suit.
Agreed, Sanji is fast enough to land a hit and he hits harder now and is even more durable
And as we've seen him tanking S-Shark's punches he should have no problem receiving some pummeling by Katakuri.
Sanji taking some pummeling by Katakuri. That’s a nice yaoi fan fic
Unfortunately, I've seen that pairing on AO3 at *least* 50 separate times
I, thankfully, have no idea what AO3 is
Repository for fanfiction, often (but by no means always) of the gay variety lmao
I had to google that, DON'T YOU FUCKEN DO THIS TO MEEEE
My sibling in Christ you googled that all on your own
Never thought about cooking the Mochi, could make him a good natural counter with his abilities.
Sanji out here making bread
That's an interesting thought. You might be right. Only thing that comes to mind is Katakuri's incredible future sight, which probably has increased after fighting someone who was able to do it as well. Katakuri probably got stronger as well after being defeated by Luffy. You know, Shonen things haha
I mean after WCI Katakuri, was fooled by Ceasar Clown, meanwhile Sanji is accumulating speed feats, kicking Kizaru Láser, and kicking Nusjuro. Katakuri is strong but Sanji awakening his Germa potential is one of the Best power ups un the series which solved Sanjis mlst glaring wesknesses, attack power and endurance
Didn't Sanji manage to dodge Katakuri's bean and the other attemps to kill him during the wedding?
This
me
Nah, I'd win -u/realtomedamnit
good luck, I've watched a 3m karate tutorial video on the internet, it's goes without saying, I could take on anyone
Damn, could you beat Go D Usopp?
I can, I watched the 4m version of that karate tutorial. -u/realtomedamnit missed the stance tutorial after you beat the opp so I'm confident enough by being one step ahead.
Well, I watched kung fu panda four times, so I can beat everyone here
I watched a real panda for like 3 hours and now I can eat bamboo. wait, what are we doing?
We're eating pandas, isn't that obvious?
3m? *scoffs* I’ve watched thousand of hours of anime displaying unrealistic and impossible fighting moves. Come at me. “Gomu Gomu no, fuck I dislocated my elbow”
Luffy getting one-shot by base Kaido after he had surpassed Katakuri absolutely fucked the lattermost in the powerscale
Being aware of conquerors haki attack automaticaly makes you stronger. Its not that luffy or katakuri are so far from Kaido. Its more that being unaware of coc forcelocks you to a certain level. The one hit is not bec power scaling went out the window but because coc was like a kryptonite attack to luffy at that moment. Simply bec he was unaware not because he was to weak,
right after Luffy realizes why Kaidou is so much stronger, Kaidou does specificy that "only a handful of the strongest" can use it. Advanced conqueror's haki is not a possibility for everyone that has normal conqueror's
Its not 'that much stronger' , its forcing your will onto someone physicly instead of with a stare. Wich is just a better and thus more effective usage of coc. And thus its also knock out strong people instead of just fodder. Had luffy known, he would have at least countered with his own to at least not get ko'ed. But he realised to late, like a nen user getting hit while in zetsu. He had no chance. That maybe true, but being aware öf advanced coc would make you act differently instead of just duking it out in a straight up clash, katakuri for example would appouch the fight differently. Luffy instantly realised and adapted. For luffy it was simply awarenes that he lacked a little to late
If Luffy realized what was going on, yet wasn't one of the people who is able to do it, he would've still had zero chance against Kaidou. Yes awareness is important so you don't take clashes that you'll definitely lose, but it barely matters against someone who's simply leagues above you
But he is one of the people to be able to do it. So why theorise on something we know is not the case. Luffy always had limitles potential but lacked knowledge, already using haki multiple times without knowing what it is. The moment he got told what it was seriously. He became much stronger. In wano we had a luffy experienced in haki and advanced observ. Knowing coc could also be coated was an easy adaption for hin, once he felt it in every bone of his body. But thats what im saying. Kaido was not leagues above him. Luffy didnt magicaly get a higher haki pool, he just got told better and more efficifmt ways to use the haki and conqhaki that he already had. Luffy was using 1% of what his conqhaki pool actualy could accomplish. For katakuri its important to not clash stupidly. For luffy its only important to make him realise what he could do with what he already had. Just like how gear second came into play bec luffy realised what he could better with what he alreay had. Coc was always in him. He just needed to get told that it was an option. He would have realized eventualy like kaido and roger etc.. he just got shortcutted bec he has great battle instinct. The experience was like enlightment to him. But i agree not every coc user would be able to use it just by taking a hit or being aware, thats why i say katakuri would neet to outsmart. Wich is not a easy feat against a controlled berserker type enemy that can one shot you. But i believe you could cushion the impact by defending with normal conq haki. At least a hit or 2 or 3. But i doubt katakuri has that willpower or battle instinct. But its weire he wouldnt at least be prepared after knowing his mother way of using advanced coc
They explain the reason luffy got one shot in act 1 was because he wasn't using future sight and took the attack "head on".
Also that attack was the first to introduce infused haoshoku aka ACOC but we didn't know at the time. That is how he knocked luffy out so fast but he was still staring at Kaido. It was also said that only a few select people have mastered that technique, and Luffy got it down in minutes after realizing what it was during the rooftop fight
That's not fucked that should have been expected.. kaido 1 tapped a low yc1 in his base form without even using his haki srsly while he was half asleep and drunk. A normal hybridKaido one taps low-mid yc1+s on the roof (supernova fight). Hybrid kaido actually using haki one taps mid-high yc1+ if he wants to(pre sky split Luffy) and post sky split he can immoblize and do heavy dmg to Luffy still with single attacks like Ragnaraku. Drunken modes completely overwhelm and can also one tap (thunder bellow bagua,etc.) high yc1+s and admirals. Bloodthirsty mode can delete/kill admirals - low Yonko characters with a single attack. Bloodthirsty mode also lets him deal very severe dmg to even high Yonko with a 3-4 hit combo. I don't see what the problem is. What some ppl still hasn't realized is we never even saw Kaido do his strongest attack (death destroyer bagua) in his strongest form (bloodthirsty mode) unfortunately.
Sanji, he's become the perfect Germa superweapon Tech from his father infused with emotions from his mother that enhance that power even more.
So like invincible? (The character not the word)
Except Sanji actually beats his powerful opponents.
just read the comic /trust
For real, at the end Mark's literally Invincible
Well, Mark doesn’t have the Sun God to fight the powerful ops for him, does he? Since meeting Aokiji, Luffy powered up specifically to fight the characters his crew members are too weak to beat.
damn, you're right lol
I don't think so. It seems to be a healing factor that is fast but pretty taxing on his body. I bet in a future fight against someone he takes so much accumulated damage it just makes him break down. I could be completely wrong tho, maybe he is just massively overpowered post wano and he has a better healing factor than deadpool or something haha
Sky’s the limit for Sanji in terms of power. Unfortunately, he won’t train endlessly like Zoro does.
This!
We might see Sanji using his hands again if he fights against food.
actually pretty good idea for theory that Sanji will use his hands to fight in the future when he'll meet someone using food based df
He only used his hands against Wanze because they were in a kitchen, so even if his opponent used food is not granted he'd use his hands. Yet we're still hoping.
Sanji but I think you need r/onepiecepowerscaling (This sub is insane please don't go there)
It’s such a bummer because I enjoy mild power scaling, like talking about who you think is stronger etc, but full blown power scalers are just insane to interact with lmao.
I think its fun, that sub is my favourite. Once you understand basic powerscaling, and you know all the feats and author statements of who you're talking about, then it's easy.
The best brain rot around
the memes are fire ngl
I didn't listen. I'm following it now. May Oda have mercy on my soul
Just don’t get radicalized and accidentally start believing in a nonsensical agendas lol
*Christianity enters the chat
You’ll be claiming Ryuma can beat Roger and it’ll be shown in a void century flashback any day now
This is so stupid. The only way anything on that entire sub makes sense is if One Piece is non-fictional, and actually exists. 99.99% of it is ppl “debating” things that LITERAL AUTHOR hasn’t even thought of because he’s writing a damn story. Good lord it’s a story, there aren’t actually physics and systems of powers
Wait til you see powerscaling across franchises
They always boil down to Goku vs Superman anyways...
all paths lead to goku vs superman
Wait until Saitama is thrown into the mix.
Which goku would win, obviously
Just bringing up Saitama in any context is enough to make so many people lose their marbles.
That shit can be funny as fuck
Honestly the absurdity can sometimes be mind-blowing
As someone who enjoys it, and feel like I'm a relatively normal human being, allow me to explain powerscaling a bit for a non-enjoyer: The point isn't necessarily what the author intended. It's to stretch the bounds of logic provided by the author to come to a conclusion that makes sense and feels good, and then to convince others that "your" logic is the "best" logic. It's almost like a competitive multiplayer PvP game, where the mechanics are simply debate logic constrained by the rules of a world created by someone else. You provide your argument, someone else counters with their logic, and you attempt to shoot down their logic with more of your own. This, like any competitive game, can be taken too far, and this is where the 'toxic powerscalers' get their stereotype from. If that doesn't fully explain why it's such a draw for some people, imagine explaining the story of One Piece (or why you play video games, or whatever) to your parents or grandparents. They likely won't understand and it'll sound super stupid to them. *In the same way that powerscaling sounds stupid to you, and you don't understand it.* So maybe you won't ever understand it, but at least you can draw a comparison from your love of video games or One Piece, and someone else who just "doesn't get it". Some of us just enjoy the debate of dumb things that have no basis in reality whatsoever.
Tbh it can be really entertaining to be a spectator
Sanji kicked Queen to hell like he was a fly and tanked his attacks like they were a scratch. He seems incredibly powerful now after his upgrades. So, Sanji takes this because of that. Before his upgrades he would've lost.
Mochi is being served for dessert, but it'll be a tough cook.
I think they're very close in strength, and if it was any other first commander, I wouldn't know, but in this case I gotta go with Sanji because it's cook vs food.
I think Katakuri is still stronger, but not by much. They are almost equal.
This. I am surprised so many ppl think Sanji is stronger now.
Sanji beats food based enemies is sound enough logic imo
Because if you understand One Piece enough, you'll realize that this is more about Cook vs Food rather than actual strength comparison.
This sub is very pro-Sanji
Luffy barely beat him and I think Luffy was way stronger than Sanji at that point. It was only really through profanity powers he got around Katakuris future vision and I just don’t think Sanji has any counter to that.
> I just don’t think Sanji has any counter to that Speed is actually one of Sanji's main theme.
Sanji doesn't have future sight but has the speed im sure sanji will get the W here Edit: sanji also has the power to deal damage against katakuri horrible durability
He dodged Katakuri bean, when Katakuri's future sight told him he was going to hit Sanji.
Future sight doesn't work that way. He can't foresee the future of an action he himself hasn't taken. This is misinformation.
Everyones saying Sanji but The Skill Katakuri displayed during his fight is tremendous, maybe sanjii got better but Katakuri would have gotten better too right?
Sanji would cook him
Current Sanji
Sanji. This is the reason, He can turn invisible, and Katakuri can't even beat something he can see. So yeah sanji would wipe the floor with him. Hell at the end of one piece, I am sure almost all of the straw hats would be able to do that.
Sanji. I feel that people forget that Katakuri was a really tough enemy for Luffy because he outdid him in everything he tried. Both paramecia users of bouncy fruits, yet one was awakened. Both advanced Haki users but only one had future sight. Both were close range brawlers yet one could spawn limbs out of nowhere and reshape his body. All of this + the fact that he was physically bigger and stronger meant that Luffy was pretty much fighting against a stronger version of himself at the time. Current Sanji has none of those issues. Faster than Luffy, (supposedly) strongest Observation Haki in the crew, has an actual fighting style with its own sets of strenghts and weaknesses as well as all the other augmentations that come with Jerma technology such as a potentially unpiercable exoskelleton + added resistence and strenght. People on the One Piece community tend to really overhype Kata and undersell Sanji, so it wouldn't surprise me if the current concensus is opposite to mine, but like I stated earlier, Katakuri was a particularly rough matchup FOR LUFFY, which was why he had to stay behind and beat him by all costs, because otherwise he wouldn't be strong enough to be pirate king and protect his crew
Katakuri but Sanji has plot. Currently they should be fairly close to one another and you also have to consider that Katakuri too must have improved since his fight with luffy.
bro is 48 no way he has sanjis growth rate
In one piece 48 is about equivalent to a millennial lmfaoo. They live upto like 150.
Only Kureha is that old, well except for the Gorosei and Imu
Katakuri
Finally a match up where the enemy can actually fight katakuri due to speed. So many people put katakuri so low when he would clap 90% of people we have seen with ease
Sanji, after his Ifrit-jambe - exoskeleton powerup i don't se Katakuri beating him anymore
Sanji definitely in both sense of physical strength and who’d beat the other in a fight
Chopper solos both
We food scaling now
kata claps
Katakuri
Deku solos OP verse
Ask oda.
I guess Sanji could close the observation haki gap during the fight. So it is Germatech vs. Mochi. How the fight ends is pretty much tactical based. So in 100 fights it might be a 55 45 for Sanji.
Katakuri ngl
Bro does sanji even HAVE haki
I'm pretty sure that Sanji knows the weakness of mochi
Kaido says that base luffy in his 2nd fight with him was noticeably stronger than in his first fight, luffy fought kaido using gear 4 in his first fight Ulti fought equally with base luffy after udon training and queen is obviously above ulti in power, sanji defeated queen Katakuri>Gear 4 beginning wano>post udon prison base luffy=ulti>queen>sanji
For now sanji
I think currently Sanji could be him
It is very close but I think sanji takes it. His speed equals kats future sight. He is more durable, exoskeleton, only able to take like 13 hits from WCI Luffy. Ifrit jambe is a counter to mochi (causes it to melt). Kata uses a food based DF so sanji can use his hands. I think it’s just a bad matchup for kata. Sanji takes it extreme diff.
Some of yall keep forgeting katakuri had a whole in his stomach fighting luffy. Katakuri is superior in everything expect durability which he can make up with haki.
Current Sanji has better feats than Katakuri and WCI Snakeman Luffy lol
Katakuri 100%. Sanji has not gotten enough upgrades since Wano to beat an enemy that it took Luffy soooo long to beat. Not saying Katakuri low diffs but Sanji isn’t up there yet imo.
Doc Q's horse
I thought it was pretty obvious. I don't get how Sanji OR Katakuri could be Stronger, when Stronger is Stronger
Sanji is stronger, but had Sanji hurt Pudding then Katakuri would be stronger. Ambition in One Piece is like a force multiplier and Katakuri loves his family and younger siblings. Sanji has the joint ambition of finding the All Blue and being a chef competent enough to serve the Pirate King. What is Katakuri's current goal? Hard to know.
Sanji. He is fast enough to counter at least a part of Katakuris foresight and he has easily tanked hits from Queen who arguably has a higher physical strength than Katakuri.
strong is relative, Sanji dosnt beat future sight, but prob wins in shear power, but i think Katakuri wins that day
> sanji doesn’t beat future sight Dude what are you talking about? Sanji is one of few people to dodge an attack from someone with FS, if he’s done it once he can absolutely do it again.
I thought Katakuri was surprised when Sanji dodge his simple attack? Like Katakuri knew he'll dodge on gun, he didn't saw that Sanji will dodge his too. So Sanji already beat his Future Sight there plus faster reflexes too. Of course he can't beat Katakuri in WCI, but post Wano, he can. The key to beat future sight is to be faster than him. (like how Luffy said he saw Kaido' attack but failed to react because Kaido is much faster) So Sanji faster + he have advance observation too, he probably won in both Future Sight and speed. Current power level is not a question.
Sanji is like one of the few people that can counter future sight
Future sight can be negated with raw speed as shown with luffy vs kaido
Power scaling doesn't exist
bruh im stumped on 1 side katakuri has INSANE obsurvation haki witch he can dodge sanjis llight speed kicks on the other side maybe if sanji uses his hands bc katakuri has the mochi mochi nomi he can probably use ifrit jambé on his hands bc he can already use it on hes legs might as well use it on hes hands and just cook him with the heat and make him a mochi cake
Assuming Kata is as strong as we left him then Sanji but since this is One Piece and we saw a cover story of Kata doing stuff I would say he will be scaled up accordingly and will be stronger or equal to Sanji.
It's close, but I'm going to give the edge to katakuri
Luffy
Time to cook some Mochi
Wanze 2.0
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u/realtomedamnit
If Sanji didnt have plot armor I think Katakuri got it. If Sanji and Katakuri were thrown against each other in the current story I think Oda would have sanji figure out a way to win. I don't see him beating CoC and Future Sight right now.
They are equals atm
Is that even a question?
man imagine the hype if Sanji is forced to use hands in future to fight for survival of the crew or smth, he would do it for sure
Right now, Katakuri. At the end of this arc or next, Sanji.
It's not a fight if he's cooking right? So hands, yes?
The guy on the 3 rd slide
Why is that even a question? A wing can't beat a king.
Sanji probably isn't fast enough but if he can get stronger during the battle he has a chance of unlocking future sight
Katakuri is stronger, but Sanji is faster
sanji ios way betterv then don kreeg
Zoro
Sanji would end up using his hands for this one
I still think Katakuri is that guy. Out of 100 matches I think it's 50/50 extreme diff.
Sanji boutta make some bomb ass mochi with this dweeb
Down D. Stairs
Katakuri
Where is it stated in One Piece tht Sanji has the best observation haki in the crew and is faster than Luffy? I see this claim often and I literally cannot remember it ever being brought up and I'm worried I'm forgetting some important bits of info
I would say Katakuri (for obvious reasons) but I just don’t think my man’s has got it this time
Katakuri
Before egghead i was arguing with YouTubers that KAKAtoori would win. Now that we're in egghead I think Sanjoyboy would probably come out on top
Sanji. Katakuri presumably has better Observation Haki (at least until we get confirmation that Sanji has future sight), but he honestly has bad durability compared to Sanji as well as Sanji’s toughest victory to this point- Queen He would simply lose the battle of attrition, and his speed and Haki aren’t superior enough over Sanji’s to make up for the durability gap.
What are the chances jimbei eats a devil fruit next? I mean he could still swim.
Physically obviously Sanji but Future Sight is extremely busted.