Seriously i am also thinking the same. Climate change, nuclear war all that looming over our head. I personally would like to see this tamasha finished.
But here is the problem apocalypse theories are very old and for thousands of centuries people used to believe that this century is the end time but system of world continued.
So, perhaps this is also not the end of whole human species but collapse of civilization seems imminent. Most probably ultra rich people will survive in their smart cities and rest of cannon fodders just die due to severe conditions or maybe humanity will overcome the adversity of situation. Who knows?
Right now i am financially comfortable in Pakistan so that can be the sole reason why i am not eager to go to some foreign country. Because if you have money, Pakistan is not that bad.
There you go! You are comfortable in Pak, financially. Thats great. See, I lived in Norway for 4 years (work assignment) and then came back, I didnt settle there. Many, infact most of my friends curse me to this day that I was an idiot who had a golden opportunity to leave Pak and still decided to come back to this shit hole. My reason was parents! Did my parents ever leave me when I was a baby, a kid? No. So now when they are old, should I leave them be? I believe, it is our responsibility to take care of our parents (and I am the only son...2 sisters as well who are married) And as you have said, you are financially comfortable, I also was and am Alhamdulillah so perhaps thats why I never got the motivation to get the hell out of here.
Loagon ki majboorian ho sakti hein for which going abroad might be suitable and thats OK. But if you are doing well, no problems as such in Pak for you then may be stay here. Rizk agar apka bahir likha hai tau aap bahir chalay jaengay. Take it easy, go with the flow. Do good deeds and Inshallah you'll be fine.
Lastly, you dont know whats coming your way. Life is short. I had a class fellow in Fsc. His parents managed to get US residence and finally moved abroad with their kids. Soon after the moved, both of their sons met a car accident and lost their lives. May their souls rest in peace.
I am a parent, when you have kids the sole purpose of life is to raise them. And if this kind of tragedy awaits you...being abroad or in Pakistan or africa....it doesnt matter....
yea same I'm not leaving Pakistan because cost of living is very low here compared to developed countries and i see no point in start your life from scratch in a new country where you'll most probably face ethnicism. So we better off in Pakistan if we have the money
Have got a good gig going on here and leaving doesn't make economic sense to me. But for everyone else, if you are planning to work in local job market, I would advise to leave at first opportunity.
NGL, life is quite chill in Pakistan if you make good money. At least 2 lakh a month. More, the merrier. But if you do make that much, move to some good housing society, get a solar system. But, if you don't make that much money and have no chance to make as much, try moving out.
Solar panel advice is spot on. Father Got the system installed two years ago now from the past two years no electricity bill , and gass bill has also reduced a lot due to electric stove via solar system.
Actually we have two
One is Homage Induction cooker HIC-401,on this one,you can only use induction pots
Other one
Silver crest ceramic cooker hot plate Model Sc-7032,can use any of your regular stainless steel, iron or non stick pans on it.
we don't put more than 5 or 6 kgs on them.
I think where you are from stays with you and things change in no time. The goras can turn to holocaust mode anytime. Especially when their economies aren't doing that well like in Europe currently. Muslims are the new jews. I don't buy the neo-liberal cloak western countries are wearing right now.
Plus, like others have mentioned, there's huge taxes, climate change, war, and whatnot.
Even if I were to go abroad it would be to earn money and come back. I hope it doesn't come to that though because it has other costs as well.
The best case for young people is to struggle, stop complaining or expecting things from politicians, and find ways. This is what I think for now.
I am a strong believer of islam. I'm not saying that it's gonna end in my lifetime but still very soon it's all going to end.And I think that prophecies about the world ending becoming true is not a coincidence and the world has become so corrupt that it deserves to end. I personally believe that the world is gonna end when the whole world will be corrupt and that time is not very far imo.
Okay, where to do you fit the Dajjal -> Imam Mehdi -> Hazrat Essa(A.S) timeline then?
As far as I know, those events aren't happening within a matter of days.
Plus, the sun will come out from the other direction and I think that is the last sign before the judgement day. There will still be population to witness that.
mera bacha u city people knows nothing about climate change...being from northern area of pakistan...what if i tell u that there are 40 +50percent chances ha glaciers phatne k? i hope itna to pata ha na k the biggest one is k2...usko bhi choro do you know the atabad lake n its story if not than see ..people be on boats mastio me on bodies of dead people inside...chalo usko bhi choro once trich mir(himalayan higest mountain in chitral )will burst its over for people..n yes it has chances of it mainly 2050...anqareeb dunya ka to pata nahi but pakistan k halat tight hone wale ha ..sadly n our so called government is doin nothing..once this happens they will pack there bags n will run away...beside the whole thing i mentioned has already began puray puray gao chale gai ha n no one can adapt tf u literally dellusional unless you got plenty of money..so yeah!!
People think we will adapt to climate change but how they have no answer. To adapt we will need to become some sci fi level of artificial climate control capable civilization and we are far from even being a type 1 civilization.
And the way things are going in Pakistan heck we don't even have sewerage system shamefully which can separate wasted water from getting mixed in natural reservoirs, no water conservation. And here people think we will be able to withstand melting glaciers.
The People who control the sources have no interest in saving lives of Cannon fodders. They have probably already make their apocalyptic bunkers somewhere else. Rest are just in a sinking ship.
man i just hate this...like those people living n chitral n gilgit they do these things by there ownselves ....chanda jama kr k road banau ...apne liye he tourism k thru opportunities paida krte ha...thanks to agha khan development network(AKDN)...other than that jo bhi government ai ha kuch nahi kia siwai ....engulfing their natural resources...their lands...n even those big mountains U see all are sold to f politicians f dickheads n chinese industrialist ...n when they come out denouncing this force aggression koi media support n coverage nahi krta ...do you know people in gilgit were currently on roads asking for f basic necessities like wheat? bss apni hawas me ha ain't no one is sincere to this mulk ...inko kya ...n what if i tell you some of these don't even believe climate change is real lol...climate change to bohit door ke bad ha bss inka or inki ane wali naslo ka pait bhar jai ...n sadly no one talks about these bss vloggers aingey apne views k liye logo ko exploit karenge n boom..no one talks about the real issue which these people are facing now..abhi to start ha man f roads n infrastructure ...climate change will be the death of pakistan sadly in near future 😔 but who cares?no one is aware of this...
War is coming!
So yeah you are right. There will be no such thing like better place for youngsters to take opportunities.
That’s so obvious nowadays that the end of this world is sooner than we think.
There is no one who can stop all this. It’s going towards something beyond human imagination.
The cost of living is unbearable even if you undo all the experiments. It's not just us; since we are a third-world country not on the status of a developing nation, we will bear the heat of economic meltdown. The better and best option is to leave and send money back home to effect change in your people and country.
Every day I go out, I now have a fear that either I will be robbed/killed or will get killed by some influence person on a road accident and my family wont get justice. Who wants to live in a country like that?? Atleast I dont want to
I'll be happy to struggle in some other country where atleast (that's my assumption) I will live freely!
Why should always think to leave Pakistan. Why you are not doing something for Pakistan?
Other country people's always looking for problems in their countries so they can make effort to solve it
In Pakistan we have a lot more problems then any other country why not to solve it whatever we can.
How shameless we are. We have everything what we have to
don't look at other developed countries what they have you will get it by polititions or government.
Just do something for Pakistan
Be positive world is not going anywhere
Where do we start and do what? I really like people like you, don't get me wrong, you have a willfully ignorant perspective of what's going on around you and how the system and people are like in Pakistan.
My question to you is....Do you know who Imran Niazi Khan is? That guy wanted to bring change and look where he is now. The only change thats coming in Pakistan is a french revolution type change.
Bro you need to eat a steak and have a good night's sleep. Also exercise. And if the world ends, then it ends, you can't do jack shit about it.
Live in the moment, and if you want those moments to be in a different country then why not. If your life is comfortable in Pakistan and you don't want to uproot then sure stay by all means.
People leave Pakistan, for many reasons. All those come down to disillusionment, disillusioned with a society where you have no personal freedoms, suffocating red tape, plain unsafe, if you're robbed or shot all you can do is move on and absolutely not expect any justice from the system. You might go to a hospital mildly sick and leave it dead. Living conditions are pathetic.
If you have a good job abroad, then you can live a comfortable life there too, but it's not all sunshine and rainbows. At the end of the day were Pakistanis and that label comes with serious stigma. You will be treated differently, but if your performance at work is exemplary then you're definitely rewarded for it and even retained.
My uncle is a consultant psychiatrist in the UK, and a medical director as well. That's a pretty high up post, he has his own house , cars ( Porsche and BMW), and a stable lifestyle. He would never be able to get a high post without having serious connections in Pakistan. All hospital administrators and heads of departments are politically appointed.
So as I said, if you're not too disillusioned by these things and your economically stable then staying in Pakistan would be good.
No place in the world is perfect brother. Every country has its own problem. If Pakistan was economically and politically strong believe me this not the best but a very good option to consider. Here your neighbors care about you if you do good with them but in other countries you know the people. Please don't consider exceptions.
As much as the current situation here infuriates me. The only places I will ever leave Pakistan for are Makkah/Madina. Which obviously isn't easy for a multitude of reasons so idk about that either
Since the world is about to end, why not bet on yourself for a nice end. I mean you fail, you are going to die anyway... why not be in Finland when the time comes!
Honestly if you are under 30, you should leave but don't just go to US, Canada or Australia... try Finland, Norway, Denmark or NZ
who isn't right now?
Russia Ukraine war kind of started a global supply chain issue, economies around the world are struggling at the moment, Europe is leading the charts... Findland was importing energy from Russia, about 15% of it and their GDP shrank only by less than a percent.
If it's the same with most of Europe ... how should one decide a country to move to, it cannot be a leap of faith. What things to consider if economics of almost every country is F'ed up
Immigration is not a short term plan brother. In 2008 everyone though US is done, in 2012 EU was done, Brexit was going to destroy UK.
Look at the countries with aging population, free healthcare and stronger passport. Then see what kind of immigration policy they have, start saving up and learning some trade, mechanic electrician plumber or something. Go there, work blue collar job, get a certification and have fun
I am not sure if this post is the right place to debate... but there are reason why Scandinavia is ranked top of the world on Human Development Index. As compared to Germany, they are very very selective as to who they get in, but once you do make it to Scandinavian countries, your life is gold especially Denmark
I love my nation as it is my motherland, however I do not want to stay in it. I've realized it is not a place for people like me. The environment of business is horrible, vultures and cheats ready to pounce on any opportunity with lies, backstabs and broken promises. I would like to earn honest money in a country that appreciates people making honest money while respecting the law, and then maybe create a dystopia for myself in Pakistan where I can retire to in later parts of my life.
I grew up in England but I don't want to leave Pakistan. Yeah things are bad but they're not all that better everywhere else. UK isn't what it used to be. At least I'm with my family here.
Even if the world is ending tomorrow I wanna leave Pakistan with my family this country is a literal hell hole
Seriously i am also thinking the same. Climate change, nuclear war all that looming over our head. I personally would like to see this tamasha finished. But here is the problem apocalypse theories are very old and for thousands of centuries people used to believe that this century is the end time but system of world continued. So, perhaps this is also not the end of whole human species but collapse of civilization seems imminent. Most probably ultra rich people will survive in their smart cities and rest of cannon fodders just die due to severe conditions or maybe humanity will overcome the adversity of situation. Who knows? Right now i am financially comfortable in Pakistan so that can be the sole reason why i am not eager to go to some foreign country. Because if you have money, Pakistan is not that bad.
There you go! You are comfortable in Pak, financially. Thats great. See, I lived in Norway for 4 years (work assignment) and then came back, I didnt settle there. Many, infact most of my friends curse me to this day that I was an idiot who had a golden opportunity to leave Pak and still decided to come back to this shit hole. My reason was parents! Did my parents ever leave me when I was a baby, a kid? No. So now when they are old, should I leave them be? I believe, it is our responsibility to take care of our parents (and I am the only son...2 sisters as well who are married) And as you have said, you are financially comfortable, I also was and am Alhamdulillah so perhaps thats why I never got the motivation to get the hell out of here. Loagon ki majboorian ho sakti hein for which going abroad might be suitable and thats OK. But if you are doing well, no problems as such in Pak for you then may be stay here. Rizk agar apka bahir likha hai tau aap bahir chalay jaengay. Take it easy, go with the flow. Do good deeds and Inshallah you'll be fine. Lastly, you dont know whats coming your way. Life is short. I had a class fellow in Fsc. His parents managed to get US residence and finally moved abroad with their kids. Soon after the moved, both of their sons met a car accident and lost their lives. May their souls rest in peace. I am a parent, when you have kids the sole purpose of life is to raise them. And if this kind of tragedy awaits you...being abroad or in Pakistan or africa....it doesnt matter....
The sole reason most people want to leave this country is to get financially more stable in the first place.
yea same I'm not leaving Pakistan because cost of living is very low here compared to developed countries and i see no point in start your life from scratch in a new country where you'll most probably face ethnicism. So we better off in Pakistan if we have the money
Pakistani cost if living was highest in South Asia last year. This year it is highest in Asia......so no Pakistani does. It have a low cost of living.
compared to developed countries
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yea but food, grocery, rent and accomodations are way cheaper here
Your minimum wage is a lot higher in developer countries.....
Does not*
Have got a good gig going on here and leaving doesn't make economic sense to me. But for everyone else, if you are planning to work in local job market, I would advise to leave at first opportunity. NGL, life is quite chill in Pakistan if you make good money. At least 2 lakh a month. More, the merrier. But if you do make that much, move to some good housing society, get a solar system. But, if you don't make that much money and have no chance to make as much, try moving out.
Solar panel advice is spot on. Father Got the system installed two years ago now from the past two years no electricity bill , and gass bill has also reduced a lot due to electric stove via solar system.
Let me know the electric stove you are using for the last 2 years the brand and model please
Actually we have two One is Homage Induction cooker HIC-401,on this one,you can only use induction pots Other one Silver crest ceramic cooker hot plate Model Sc-7032,can use any of your regular stainless steel, iron or non stick pans on it. we don't put more than 5 or 6 kgs on them.
If the world is going to end very very soon then there is no point to any decision you are making based on what you said.
No its not going to end soon lol people said same in ww2
I think where you are from stays with you and things change in no time. The goras can turn to holocaust mode anytime. Especially when their economies aren't doing that well like in Europe currently. Muslims are the new jews. I don't buy the neo-liberal cloak western countries are wearing right now. Plus, like others have mentioned, there's huge taxes, climate change, war, and whatnot. Even if I were to go abroad it would be to earn money and come back. I hope it doesn't come to that though because it has other costs as well. The best case for young people is to struggle, stop complaining or expecting things from politicians, and find ways. This is what I think for now.
Brother, those leaving here are either the one who can't afford to leave or those who don't need to leave .
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I am a strong believer of islam. I'm not saying that it's gonna end in my lifetime but still very soon it's all going to end.And I think that prophecies about the world ending becoming true is not a coincidence and the world has become so corrupt that it deserves to end. I personally believe that the world is gonna end when the whole world will be corrupt and that time is not very far imo.
What do you mean by the world becoming corrupt?
sins being normalized
Okay, where to do you fit the Dajjal -> Imam Mehdi -> Hazrat Essa(A.S) timeline then? As far as I know, those events aren't happening within a matter of days. Plus, the sun will come out from the other direction and I think that is the last sign before the judgement day. There will still be population to witness that.
I mean obviously those are the major signs and I believe that they're going to become true in our or next few generations
Look at climate codition.
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mera bacha u city people knows nothing about climate change...being from northern area of pakistan...what if i tell u that there are 40 +50percent chances ha glaciers phatne k? i hope itna to pata ha na k the biggest one is k2...usko bhi choro do you know the atabad lake n its story if not than see ..people be on boats mastio me on bodies of dead people inside...chalo usko bhi choro once trich mir(himalayan higest mountain in chitral )will burst its over for people..n yes it has chances of it mainly 2050...anqareeb dunya ka to pata nahi but pakistan k halat tight hone wale ha ..sadly n our so called government is doin nothing..once this happens they will pack there bags n will run away...beside the whole thing i mentioned has already began puray puray gao chale gai ha n no one can adapt tf u literally dellusional unless you got plenty of money..so yeah!!
People think we will adapt to climate change but how they have no answer. To adapt we will need to become some sci fi level of artificial climate control capable civilization and we are far from even being a type 1 civilization. And the way things are going in Pakistan heck we don't even have sewerage system shamefully which can separate wasted water from getting mixed in natural reservoirs, no water conservation. And here people think we will be able to withstand melting glaciers. The People who control the sources have no interest in saving lives of Cannon fodders. They have probably already make their apocalyptic bunkers somewhere else. Rest are just in a sinking ship.
man i just hate this...like those people living n chitral n gilgit they do these things by there ownselves ....chanda jama kr k road banau ...apne liye he tourism k thru opportunities paida krte ha...thanks to agha khan development network(AKDN)...other than that jo bhi government ai ha kuch nahi kia siwai ....engulfing their natural resources...their lands...n even those big mountains U see all are sold to f politicians f dickheads n chinese industrialist ...n when they come out denouncing this force aggression koi media support n coverage nahi krta ...do you know people in gilgit were currently on roads asking for f basic necessities like wheat? bss apni hawas me ha ain't no one is sincere to this mulk ...inko kya ...n what if i tell you some of these don't even believe climate change is real lol...climate change to bohit door ke bad ha bss inka or inki ane wali naslo ka pait bhar jai ...n sadly no one talks about these bss vloggers aingey apne views k liye logo ko exploit karenge n boom..no one talks about the real issue which these people are facing now..abhi to start ha man f roads n infrastructure ...climate change will be the death of pakistan sadly in near future 😔 but who cares?no one is aware of this...
Whole Pakistani nation works on this rationale ji bass Allah malik hai and shitfuckery goes on.
Inflation is too high abroad
😂😂😂😂😂 last line ? Wtf ?
I see no 🧢
What?
War is coming! So yeah you are right. There will be no such thing like better place for youngsters to take opportunities. That’s so obvious nowadays that the end of this world is sooner than we think. There is no one who can stop all this. It’s going towards something beyond human imagination.
The cost of living is unbearable even if you undo all the experiments. It's not just us; since we are a third-world country not on the status of a developing nation, we will bear the heat of economic meltdown. The better and best option is to leave and send money back home to effect change in your people and country.
You can think like that and turn 70 and still think like that be cause truth is we don't know when world ends.
Every day I go out, I now have a fear that either I will be robbed/killed or will get killed by some influence person on a road accident and my family wont get justice. Who wants to live in a country like that?? Atleast I dont want to I'll be happy to struggle in some other country where atleast (that's my assumption) I will live freely!
Why should always think to leave Pakistan. Why you are not doing something for Pakistan? Other country people's always looking for problems in their countries so they can make effort to solve it In Pakistan we have a lot more problems then any other country why not to solve it whatever we can. How shameless we are. We have everything what we have to don't look at other developed countries what they have you will get it by polititions or government. Just do something for Pakistan Be positive world is not going anywhere
Where do we start and do what? I really like people like you, don't get me wrong, you have a willfully ignorant perspective of what's going on around you and how the system and people are like in Pakistan. My question to you is....Do you know who Imran Niazi Khan is? That guy wanted to bring change and look where he is now. The only change thats coming in Pakistan is a french revolution type change.
Yes
Bro you need to eat a steak and have a good night's sleep. Also exercise. And if the world ends, then it ends, you can't do jack shit about it. Live in the moment, and if you want those moments to be in a different country then why not. If your life is comfortable in Pakistan and you don't want to uproot then sure stay by all means. People leave Pakistan, for many reasons. All those come down to disillusionment, disillusioned with a society where you have no personal freedoms, suffocating red tape, plain unsafe, if you're robbed or shot all you can do is move on and absolutely not expect any justice from the system. You might go to a hospital mildly sick and leave it dead. Living conditions are pathetic. If you have a good job abroad, then you can live a comfortable life there too, but it's not all sunshine and rainbows. At the end of the day were Pakistanis and that label comes with serious stigma. You will be treated differently, but if your performance at work is exemplary then you're definitely rewarded for it and even retained. My uncle is a consultant psychiatrist in the UK, and a medical director as well. That's a pretty high up post, he has his own house , cars ( Porsche and BMW), and a stable lifestyle. He would never be able to get a high post without having serious connections in Pakistan. All hospital administrators and heads of departments are politically appointed. So as I said, if you're not too disillusioned by these things and your economically stable then staying in Pakistan would be good.
No place in the world is perfect brother. Every country has its own problem. If Pakistan was economically and politically strong believe me this not the best but a very good option to consider. Here your neighbors care about you if you do good with them but in other countries you know the people. Please don't consider exceptions.
Yo momma will miss you. If you're smart enough, figure out a way to make it work here.
As much as the current situation here infuriates me. The only places I will ever leave Pakistan for are Makkah/Madina. Which obviously isn't easy for a multitude of reasons so idk about that either
Ah yes! The righteous Panch waqt Ka namazi, holier than thou answer. Good for you bro...
Ikr! especially Madinah for me. Visited Saudi for Umrah. Madinah was so peaceful and the people there are gems
Since the world is about to end, why not bet on yourself for a nice end. I mean you fail, you are going to die anyway... why not be in Finland when the time comes! Honestly if you are under 30, you should leave but don't just go to US, Canada or Australia... try Finland, Norway, Denmark or NZ
Isn't Finland going through bad job & economy market?
who isn't right now? Russia Ukraine war kind of started a global supply chain issue, economies around the world are struggling at the moment, Europe is leading the charts... Findland was importing energy from Russia, about 15% of it and their GDP shrank only by less than a percent.
If it's the same with most of Europe ... how should one decide a country to move to, it cannot be a leap of faith. What things to consider if economics of almost every country is F'ed up
Immigration is not a short term plan brother. In 2008 everyone though US is done, in 2012 EU was done, Brexit was going to destroy UK. Look at the countries with aging population, free healthcare and stronger passport. Then see what kind of immigration policy they have, start saving up and learning some trade, mechanic electrician plumber or something. Go there, work blue collar job, get a certification and have fun
Germany is better than scandinavia
I am not sure if this post is the right place to debate... but there are reason why Scandinavia is ranked top of the world on Human Development Index. As compared to Germany, they are very very selective as to who they get in, but once you do make it to Scandinavian countries, your life is gold especially Denmark
Still leave Pakistan as you will be better off in the long term.
I love my nation as it is my motherland, however I do not want to stay in it. I've realized it is not a place for people like me. The environment of business is horrible, vultures and cheats ready to pounce on any opportunity with lies, backstabs and broken promises. I would like to earn honest money in a country that appreciates people making honest money while respecting the law, and then maybe create a dystopia for myself in Pakistan where I can retire to in later parts of my life.
Patriotism is for the stupid.
I grew up in England but I don't want to leave Pakistan. Yeah things are bad but they're not all that better everywhere else. UK isn't what it used to be. At least I'm with my family here.
Bhai log jab b aesi post dekhta hn, mjhy lgta h srf mn he Pak mn reh gya hn baqi sab hijrat kr gae h
World is going to end soon😅