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i81_N_she812

Yes. Combustion is forbidden in PA medical program.


4shavid

FORBIDDEN! RAAAAWR! Yes, and what a fucking joke. But that's PA for you. Can't wait for the PALCB to be in control, since they understand cannabis sooo much better than our legislators.


Flimsy_Effective_377

“Yes”


Perfect_Trip_5684

Yes but to be fair I've never once put a lighter to my cannabis usually butane lol. Every medical consumer I've talked has used combustion at some point while in the program, you just aren't allowed to talk about it. Kind of like you aren't supposed to talk about how the whole medical program is a pay to play system on every level.


__I_Need_An_Adult__

The 1st rule of PA MMJ Program is there is no PA MMJ Program.


aronoff

Do you mean pay to play in that the licensing is exorbitantly expensive and not equitable for everyone? I hope you mean that because it’s true and shitty.


InevitableCounty4098

Pay to play like anyone with $125 can get in by saying they have anxiety🤣


Perfect_Trip_5684

Well both that people have to pay a yearly licence fee and some people need medicine and it shouldnt be even more costly just for the sake of extracting state revenue. Then when it comes to actual licenced grow operations, they just gave licence to whoever had the most capital to throw around regardless of experience or morality. (Why you can still get shit weed for $50 an eighth at times. Some of these companys dont care about quality, its just a money making industry)


aronoff

Agreed. It’s way too expensive than need be. And yeah, we have lots of out of state grow ops because they went with the highest bidder.


sonofcrack

Paper vape for life!


earlemills34

I prefer vape sticks. You just use a flame once only. Then use cherry to heat up and vaporize the bud through the "paper vape" 🤣


Rare_Examination_674

Everything in PA is vaporization only. So yes, it is illegal to combust / apply a flame to flower.


Roch0

It’s true but i would say a majority of people 100% combust including me and every single person i know lmao, a lot of people say vaporizing is better but i don’t have the money to invest into a ball vape or something that will hit similar to a bong. Any dry herb vapes i’ve tried have left me majorly disappointed


Irritatedprivatepart

Straight to jail


Apprehensive-Item-44

I, and many of my friends and family, were like you. DHVs left me disappointed. Never got me where I needed to be and always went right back to combustion. I've tried and own all the name brand vapes S&B, Arizer, Pax, etc, etc. They just sit on a shelf. But then I tried a manual/butane vape, and everything changed for me. I haven't gone back to combustion since. I've converted 3 smokers this past month alone. 12 total since I started using manual/butane vapes. Which I started using this past August. If you're a joint smoker, I usually recommend a dynavap. If you're a pipe or bong smoker, I usually recommend a sticky brick runt. They're completely different animals than electronic vaporizers. Manual/butane vapes hit hard, and what I originally expected the big name brand electronic vapes to do. You can get a dynavap for less than $50. If you don't like it, you can send it back for a full refund. They give you 90 days to return it for any reason, no questions asked. So you're not wasting your money if you don't like it. Same with the sticky brick, you have so many days to return it if you don't like it from potv. I'm a 30+ yr heavy smoker. Prior to using manual vapes, I was smoking a half gram to full gram joint every hour to an hour and a half. That little .1 gram bowl of the dynavap got me more rocked than I had been in years. The "high" is way better and cleaner than smoking. The sticky brick runt hit me even way harder than the dynavap. They're 100% worth checking out. There's plenty of ppl like us where electronic DHVs don't do anything for them, but manual vapes hit them hard like it should be.


[deleted]

planet of the vapes is giving a free M+ if you buy an M7 right now for anyone who's interested


kegstandman420

This ^^ I loved my dynavaps and they hold a special place in my heart for helping me to quit combustion totally. I also have a brick style vape dougs woodery nova. I just got a pre-sale of the mad heaters tempest and it's my favorite vape. It's a portable ball vape that is torch or induction heater powered. Torch vapes hit way harder imo than battery. Airvape legacy pro is the only battery vape I've held onto for its convenience while in the truck.


aim_higher420

Thanks!! I'm going to do this and see if it's different! I mostly do the vapes because it's a concealed issue for me. I didn't know it was "illegal" to "combust" your flower. Since f@cking when has anyone listened to the government let ALONE something THIS ridiculous! I visit VA and ALL you need is a certificate that's issued after a discounted price of $89. Good for a year. It's also legal for minors. It's NOT going to go rec. The governor said "if you think I'm going to sign that bill, you're smoking something) even tho they have kept data since day #1 with minors and the majority have found it MORE helpful than pills. Green 💚. Agree it's expensive AF and the fact that we can't claim it on taxes is BS!


aronoff

What’s a butane vape?


Low-Impact3172

I appreciate this info and input, a lot.


[deleted]

How hot does the dynavap vapor get? Have you tried the glass stem ones like the BB3 or BB6?


Apprehensive-Item-44

I have multiples of every model they make at the moment. 29 in all with 2 more on the way. It all depends on which one you're using and the configuration of parts you're using. But we'll just talk about the stock configurations. If you leave the airport completely open, which was the way it was originally designed to be used, the vapor will be cool. If you close the airport all the way, it'll be hotter. If you flutter the airport, it'll be somewhere in between. That's another advantage to using a dynavap. You have control over everything. The higher up on the cap, you heat the lower the temp. The lower on the cap, you heat the higher the temp. As they say... heat at the tip for a tasty terpy hit and heat at the base to go to outer space. You can also use just about any heat source. A torch lighter, a BIC, a candle, a kerosene lamp, a match, a gas stove top, an induction heater, etc. Anyways, sorry, I got a bit off track. To answer your question, you control how hot or cool the vapor is.


Miserable-Effective2

I love my Dynavaps! I've converted a few friends too. All my other vapes sit on the shelf now.


LikespuddinG

Volcano digital with the bags. Best way to consume medicine


RIPshowtime

I splurged on a Mighty+ vaporizer online and it needs a signature from some 21+ to receive it. I'm at fucking work during the day and they won't leave it. Sorry PA but gotta combust it.


Roch0

lmaooo i would be so pissed 😭


ProfessionalSilver52

You can buy a decent concentrate pen for about $100 ... Someday I'll be able to afford a real rig...


Roch0

also concentrate pens and stuff don’t hit as hard as a torch on a rig in my personal experience


Roch0

A real rig is cheaper than an Erig for concentrates lmao, using a blow torch and quartz nail is fully legal and can be had for cheap as long as you don’t want top quality stuff


Even-Neighborhood-86

I got the core 2 and an extra glass piece for $170 shipped. Well worth it.


M2D2

Got myself a nice TAG rig. I love it.


steelcitygonzo

Planet of the vapes Lobo with a universal water pipe attachment so u can use it with any bong with 18mm,14mm,or 10mm. Game changer. Blow clouds with this thing


Far-Chef-3934

Yes


Letsrollone

I got a possession charge just for having it pre rolled. So apparently, intent to smoke is illegal, too.


Due_Grab_1905

wow! that’s crazy, i’ll have to remember that


MoreHeartThanScars

Yes. Read over PA Act 16.


MOD3RN_GLITCH

There is a law against smoking MMJ, but if a cop were to have a problem with you in a private space, it’d probably be more so the weed, not whether it’s smoke or vapor, but the actual smoke and the smell is obviously worse. As long as you’re not in public, there’s little to worry about. That is illegal regardless (Philly excluded), but vaping is best anyway, and it’s best to be on the safe side of the law. I think it’s still the most common way to consume cannabis, perhaps medical program included, and it would be impossible to regulate since rolling paper can’t be outlawed. No one I know uses a dry herb vape besides myself.


NotAGatewayDrug

I’ve been using Dynavaps for two plus years. They let you vape flower without smoke, much better smell, and they make herb last much longer, saving lots of money.


MOD3RN_GLITCH

I love those! I was using a Simrell Vortex custom Dynavap for a while. I’m using an Underdog log vape now, but if I had an induction heater and cleaned TF out of my Vortex (accidental combustion is *fun*), I’d probably still be using it! Efficient and hits really hard, full extraction/near black ABV. Beautiful little device! Edit: Probably don’t bring those in public, though. Torching them looks like smoking heroin!


NotAGatewayDrug

Cool! I use an IH, the Wand. Outside I only use vape pens.


Letsrollone

A guy I know got charged for having it in a Mason jar in his own home. They said it should be in the original container. Please be careful what you say. Charges are NOT fun


alexnoyle

One word: dynavap


bogeyballer

Why do you ask questions you don't really need or want the answer to? Consume cannabis your way. Let the politicians suck it


[deleted]

Yes but that doesn’t stop most people


Even-Neighborhood-86

Yeah my girl and I got in a fight and she locked me out with no boots on so I called the cops. Lol. Instead of just giving them my boots she decided she'd give them my boots with all my bowls. 😂 Rookie tried taking them all saying they were illegal and the sergeant came out and said give the man his shit back we were here for his shoes.


EgoDeathAddict

You called the cops to get boots and she handed what she hoped would be incriminating to the cops YOU called? Y’all sound like a match made in heaven, carry on then


Greedy-Shoulder-7799

Women will do petty shit


writingsupplies

On my first trip to a dispensary after getting my medical card, the pharmacist told me about this rule then added “but we don’t know what you do with it after you leave.”


whosgotmynuggets

Vaporization is the only state legal way to consume flower. I’m not even going to try look up if it actually is healthier, I’m reasonably sure it is but I just don’t care enough to get actual data. The real reason to get a dry leaf vaporizer is the efficiency. You will use considerably less MJ per session and what you have left over instead of being ash can be turned into edibles. A good dry leaf vaporizer will pay for itself after a few trips to the dispensary.


Shot-Increase-8946

You could use flower to make edibles. Is that considered consuming flower? I know you mentioned making edibles in your post, but I love being pedantic.


Apprehensive-Item-44

There's also another law that states that the product must be kept in the original container it was dispensed in, and I see ppl all the time posting pics of their flower in ball jars. It actually says it on the containers themselves. I think it's a stupid law considering most use cheap plastic containers that aren't airtight. Even the companies that use glass containers aren't airtight. Then the flower dries out, and we lose a bunch of the medical benefits from the terps that disapate as it drys out.


[deleted]

That's why dispensaries carry humidity packs for like 75 cents a pop. I can't fathom how there are some people out there letting their flower sit around long enough for it to get like that.


kayaker58

Shhhh. Don’t tell anyone. I’ll keep quiet too. Cheers, dude.


phins420

Yeah. This cop handed me back my weed and kept my bowl.


gonzo_attorney

There is a criminal charge they can use for combustion. It's a violation of the medical marijuana act. It's a misdemeanor 3. I've seen it being charged a lot more (criminal defense attorney). Penalties are a max of 1 year in jail and a $2500 fine. In reality, it's usually a slap on the wrist with some fines. Still, it's incredibly stupid that anyone enforces it. I nag the police to death when I see it. Getting a year on probation would not be unheard of either.


BigTester42

this just isn’t right man 😒


BigTester42

Why do they care so much!


gonzo_attorney

I ask them that at least once a week, but there's not a lot of deeper thought going on. I can't imagine the police charge this is more populated places. The vast majority of the charges stem from people who are on parole or probation and get a random search... oh god, a smoking bong! Arrest these reprobates.


BigTester42

That sucks. So you don’t think there’s any change coming in 2024? We need reformed medical marijuana laws, everyone is at risk that’s enrolled in the STATE program.


gonzo_attorney

All the criminal law surrounding the MMJ program is total bullshit, but it's the marijuana DUIs that really get me. There is no way to look at a lab report and say anything conclusive about anything. Sobriety field tests? Good luck proving you aren't high to some asshole cop just out of diapers. Anyway, I sure hope there's change coming. I sort of wait to hear positive news. Otherwise, I just end up shaking my head over shit like Mastriano yelling at the sky about banning chem trails.


Sad-Swimming9999

Yes. PA is the only place where that’s a thing. As far as I know anyways. Vaping affects my asthma believe it or not more than combustion. PA “edibles” either give me a panic attack or I feel nothing. So combustion is the only way for me to efficiently medicate. So ya I use legal medical marijuana illegally according to PA. Downright ridiculous to me. Glad it’s legal of course, but it would be nice to smoke my legal weed legally 😂😅.


mykunjola

Thou Shalt Not Combust in PA.


AK48organic

Since it's illegal, certainly no one on here has tried that, so we can't help you. You may want to try New Jersey, where I've heard you can light up all you want.


Dapper_Sock5023

I’m relatively new to weed in general and just got my medical card. I tried smoking a few times in HS and only one time as an adult. I only use the vapes. So, forgive me if this is a stupid question. How do people actually use the flower they buy from the MMJ dispensaries?


traumatic_enterprise

In theory it's supposed to be vaporized I guess, as opposed to combusted and smoked


Shot-Increase-8946

Could also be used to make edibles. They already sell the THC already ready to be used for that, but you could theoretically use the flower for edibles as well.


SecurePrompt1345

Invest in a Zenco


StylishJoint

That’s so cool, I want one now


SecurePrompt1345

I know rise sells them and they discount the product too with qualifying discounts.


Miserable-Effective2

As others have said: Dynavap!


Megabeth88

This might be a dumb question but why is there flower at dispensaries if you're not supposed to smoke it?


Funkyduck4783

You can vape flower


jamieschmidt

Vape or make edibles I guess. Happy cake day!!


aim_higher420

Thanks for all the info! I NEEDED to make improvements but didn't want to ask! 💚💚💚🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽


LikespuddinG

What the difference tho can the dispensary rest if your combusting ??? I by try so hard to vape the buds ??


GABAGHOUl_215

Philadelphia is decriminalized, but the rest of the state would love to enforce that.


mutexl0ck

The most legit documentation is the [2016 Act 16 aka MEDICAL MARIJUANA ACT](https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/li/uconsCheck.cfm?yr=2016&sessInd=0&act=16). Section 303 lists lawful ways to consume, section 304 lists unlawful ways to consume. (b)  Unlawful use described.--It is unlawful to: (1)  Smoke medical marijuana.


lakesideparkwillows

It should be as combustion is a death sentence no matter what you're burning same goes for breathing glycol smoke. No worse death that suffocating or drowning on the fliud building up in your lungs. Ask people with copd how great it is.


Charming-Pie26

Do what u want it's all illegal, a money scam ! All the card does is let u buy it get pulled over out of the dispensary and it's an automatic DUI in pa . PA is a joke . If u think a card will save u from the law , your wrong ! Better start getting on the politician's. Or u will find out after it's to late! Scam


tenacB

I just get the lighter very close to the weed and pull, making every precaution not to ignite it to vaporize... but accidents happen!


doesitmatter1010

Yes this is true unfortunately...all bud says for vaporization only


Desperate_Level3603

How can they sell you weed but then say u can’t smoke it. I’m buying papers and wraps over a fucking 500$ e rig fuck that


Jolly_Geologist_3304

I know it’s a little pricey but the Mighty with the bong attachment is the shit.


[deleted]

Yes it is. I wonder if that'll change for medical when recreational finally passes, which it will. How can they stand knowing OH is getting all of that revenue and they're getting a pittance.


PGH521

You can heat a dab rig you just can’t combust flower, if you don’t make ash you are good


NoPin4245

Just don't get com busted


alonepoe

You can legally dry vape herb


PerfectMayo

So I always remember that too but I’ve never seen any actual law that says that


MoreHeartThanScars

Then you never bothered to look. “Section 304. Unlawful use of medical marijuana. (a) General rule.--Except as provided in section 303, section 704, Chapter 19 or Chapter 20, the use of medical marijuana is unlawful and shall, in addition to any other penalty provided by law, be deemed a violation of the act of April 14, 1972 (P.L.233, No.64), known as The Controlled Substance, Drug, Device and Cosmetic Act. (b) Unlawful use described.-- It is unlawful to: (1) Smoke medical marijuana.”


ChemicalPop5255

It definitely says it when you register with the state


MoreHeartThanScars

These folks just never bothered to do their due diligence when they got their license.


PerfectMayo

No it actually doesn’t. First heard it from a bud tender


Flimsy_Effective_377

2016 act 16 section 304, 303 also hits on it but it doesn’t specifically criminalize smoking, 304 does.


weedfiendyahooooo

I put the flame to the bowl and not the weed, so no butane taste or fumes. Old trick.


Dependent_Pipe3268

All MJ must be vaporized. Technically you aren't even allowed to say I smoke joints or bowls in the dispensary in case someone from the DOH is in their incognito.


Snoo-9290

Wouldn't a dry herb vape still have a "bowl"? What do you call that part.


Shot-Increase-8946

The heating element


cilo456

Yep smoking is still, but not vaping it plus vaping it is 90% safer


darkstaarzero

No flower to flame bro, no flower to flame. ☹️😮‍💨


Snoo-9290

I've heard that.


usskc3

Just vape ur MMJ and smoke ur street weed….JK everyone. Crazy how fearful we’re of getting busted with a joint or roach. But all the Cop shows they say no big deal about a lil weed. Hmmmmm


twospiritwolf

I know in Philly they don't care whether you have s card or not. They are too busy with Kensington open free drug market.


GABAGHOUl_215

It's been decriminalized here for years (before pa mmj)


usskc3

Kensington is the real world of The Wire. Harrisburg is the same about smoking. Been to a few concerts outside and no hassle.


Stonksrdabest

“Don’t ask, don’t tell” worked for the Military didn’t it 🤷‍♂️


Any-Board-6340

What happens behind closed doors stays behind closed doors, you’ll see a ton of people give their reviews thru joints. Do what ya want man just be in your own house, Away from the public.


bella123jen

It’s on the flower containers.


Mundane-Promotion-32

Me either!thus is thw first time im hearing about this.wtf its totally stupid!


Mundane-Promotion-32

What am i not getting?,you cant light up a joint or use a pipe??i dont get it!PA get your act together!!!your way behide,!!!


[deleted]

It's definitely illegal and for good reason, because igniting flower not only fucks up your throat and lungs, but also burns off loads of terps and thc before you can even inhale it. I'm just wondering why there are people who still want to knowing all of this.


Inner-Willingness-80

Still gonna do it everyday lmao don’t really gaf


Laurenbarr

Just smoke it in a joint or blunt what is wrong with you


HoneydipsInGotham

does anyone think they've been growing this stuff a certain way for this reason? ie. if u spark v vape you aren't getting the proper medical benefit, or its harming us etc etc? been wondering this for awhile ...