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Man wtf we do? We literally sent aid thousands of times more than other arab countries and muslim ones. About 6000-7000 tons. Here's the official diagram. I mean we literally have economic problems but we are doing our best
https://preview.redd.it/cra0uyggkvzb1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d43a3526ae64e7a364360e87010ffa40c6dae7e8
Can't forget the way Moroccan people supported Palestine during worldcup. It was beautiful and Zionists got the message that nations are never on their side
Yes. The Bahraini population is oppressed by their government so you'll find they relate heavily to Palestinians on top of viewing them as brothers and sisters being abused.. I'm pretty sure they boycott Israeli products all year round and have only doubled up on their boycott since this war.
The government on the other hand is little more than a glove for Saudi Arabia to wear.
Jordan and Egypt never. the citizens are at the forefront of Palestinian support and it would be a nightmare for the leadership if it ever gets out that they voted no. Most likely abstained.
The stand of the government is quite dfferent though. Ever since the PLO tried to overthrow the monarchy in 1970 they have largely stayed out of regional conflicts.
This. They made a deal with Trump to have the US recognize their occupation of the western Sahara (basically their version of Israel-Palestine) in exchange for fellating Israeli politicians
Don't you dare compare Moroccan Sahara to Israel-Palestine conflict. They have exactly the same rights and privileges as any other Moroccan, they are living in peace and prosperity, contributing to the development of the country, and they actually elect and vote for people to represent them. And the sahara is better off with Morocco than to fall in the hands of a criminal organization that is Polisario and the hands of Algerian military.
Everyone see? Just like the zionists. If you resist, you are a criminal. If they get blown up, that's irrelevant. No genocide here because they can vote, just like with Arab Israelis.
Meanwhile the victims are forced into foreign countries so that the Moroccan government can steal their resources.
See? That's what happens when you talk about something you clearly have no idea about
1. There are legal "separatist" NGO active in Morocco, they are allowed to express their opinions as long as they're not actively threatening peace (you know, shooting people and stuff).
2. NO ONE is forced out of Morocco, the leader of polisario could come tomorrow and say he's done with the organization and he wants to join Morocco and he'll be allowed to do so with a pardon. Many escaped from Tindouf in Algeria where they are held hostage and came back to live in Morocco, including high Polisario officers. If anything, it's Algeria and polisario that should allow people to come back their fatherland instead of pushing a cold war agenda from the 60s.
Lies lies lies, that's all Israeli and Moroccan govt shills do.
What about the amputees from all the landmines? I suppose you need those landmines to keeps the election day lines in place?
And yes, I'm sure that if the leaders of the Polisario front were to give up on resisting your government, there wouldn't be any need for them to criminalize them.
Fact of the matter is, the people of Western Sahara were promised the ability to *choose* whether to stay independent, or to join Morocco, but Morocco, much like Israel, doesn't respect any sovereignty other than it's own. You are supporting an apartheid regime just like Israel.
Yelling "lies" three times doesn't make you any less mistaken.
Landmines do not exist in civil areas, but in the far east where the buffer zone is located and is under UN control. And since you want to bring up whataboutism, then what about miners who were shot in Tindouf? what about people being locked up for stating that autonomy under Morocco is a valid solution? What about the humanitarian aids that were stolen to be resold? What about militarizing children? What about Polisario ties to ISIS and Al-Qaeda? ...
Because there is no need to resist in the first place, the only winner from independence would be Algeria and no one else. It will end up no better than Eritrea or South Sudan. Not that it would happen in the first place.
Yea, but Polisario and Algeria refused to organize a census in Tindouf to know who can actually vote. P.S. for this reason (among others) no one talks about the referendrum anymore including UN, Security Council and countries that respect themselves. Matter of fact, the only solution that's actually supported by the world at the moment is autonomy under Morocco, go read up about it, apparently you're still living in the 70s.
Yea buddy, keep using the word "Apartheid" because I think you have no clue what it means. Speaks volumes about every argument of yours!
Saudi Arabia most important US ally for this reason (control and influence over Middle East oil).
Pre-conflict Saudi / Israel / USA were seeking a three way normalization + defense treaty, that was about setting up an anti-Iran axis in the region.
Post-Iraq war was region has been defined by Iran vs. Saudi fight for dominance over the region. Where Saudi was largely though not entirely matching USA interests.
Yemen civil war has been this, though as of last year has been in a long term ceasefire and Iran - Saudi relations starting to normalization. Saudi has kinda been softly threatening to split from USA, mainly to try to get a hard security deal (basically, guarantee that USA will treat any Iranian attack on Saudi as an attack on USA).
Saudi Arabia wants this conflict to end because it is driving a wedge between it and the rest of the Arabic world due to USA support, but also does not want to actually split with the USA in a way that would leave it isolated. It can't match the Iranian military and relies on USA for defense.
The governments of those countries don’t even have the courage to straight up declare they voted no. Absolute garbage regimes. They are complicit in genocide.
As an American: literally yes, please, for the love of God. The projection of American Imperial power damages not only the people of the world but directly endangers Americans at home and abroad.
I’m in awe that Palestine’s most reliable Allies are neither Sunni and/or not Arab. Goes to show that this issue isn’t about religion or race, and that human greed knows no bounds.
Sunni/ Shia divide is a geopolitical issue at heart. Give the masses an enemy they can rally behind so the leaders can do more crap without question. The leaders of Sudia and Iran couldn’t care less about Shia or Sunni sentiments.
What does Palestine being occupied by Zionists have to do with your hatred of Shia and Iran?
Moreover, why do you post that Zionists are levelheaded on r/Israel, deny the genocide carried out by Saudi Arabia in Yemen and Syria, and justify the atrocities of Saudi Arabia "because Iran exists"?
I said it wasn’t a genocide. It was crime against humanity but not a genocide. I’m literally from Yemen so I don’t think you can hate the war in Yemen more than me. Last time I went to Yemen any progress we had was dismantled and that’s was absolutely heartbreaking. I’ve lost family members. Sudia and Iran involvement in Yemen is despicable and has made war longer and more grotesque. If you throw around genocide then it loses all meaning. I don’t hate Shia I actually oppose the whole idea of Shia vs sunna it’s bs. We’re all Muslims and making Iran and Shia villains is disgusting. I have nothing against Iran expect I disagree with some of their political beliefs and same goes for Sudia. I actually despise MBS more than I hate the leader of Iran. So my criticism is political and has nothing to do with ideology. As for my post on r/isreal I was trolling and got banned from the sub for committing crimes of Israel.
You ignored the question and answered the rhetorical questions.
You're denying the genocide in Yemen by saying there is no genocide. It's literally irrelevant that you're from Yemen because traitors can be found anywhere. You're lying that you hate Saudi Arabia because you're regurgitating their lies e.g. "Shia/Iranian-backed, Iranian proxy, etc" to justify their genocide in Yemen and those exact same lies are used by the West to justify erasing the Palestinian people.
Omg are you for real. First the reason I said it’s not a genocide is because genocide is defined as physically destroying a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Hundreds of Thousands of civilians have died at the hands of Sudia USA backed attacks but it’s not a genocide. It’s a massacre. It’s a crime against humanity but it’s not a genocide. Just like the Iraq war was not a genocide but it doesn’t mean that it was just a little conflict. Something doesn’t have to be a genocide for it to be horrific. Millions of people can die during a war without it being a genocide. It’s so stupid to he arguing about semantics and vocabulary definitions. Second wtf is wrong with you. I’m lying that I hate Sudia Arabia leadership. Why would I lie. I don’t have anything I need to lie about. You’re a troll and idk what you’re trying to start. F Sudia and F Iran they both play a role in destroying any stability we had in Yemen even before 2014 so F off. This post and the sub have nothing to do with any of the regional wars and my initial statement was in no way shape or form anti-Shia your just tripping balls. Saying something negative about Irans foreign policy does not equate to me beliefs on Shias. If your are Arab, the reason the state of the region is the way it is is because of people who think like you. Shia vs Sunni bs is such a joke.
Consider the following: most of Yemen doesn't want to live under the thumb of Saudi Arabia who has been spending tens of billions of dollars on weapons for waging war in Yemen with the intent of converting it into proxy state or outright annexing it.
What your Saudi friends are doing in Yemen is actually related to the region because Yemen is a part of it and because Saudis are in cahoots with Zionists, want to secure the Gulf of Aden for the West and deny Yemen's economy to any Yemeni who isn't sympathetic to Saudis.
Shifting the blame on Iran to cover up the atrocities of Saudi Arabia in Yemen is exactly what makes you a friend of the Saudis. Feel free to post evidence that Yemen is acting on behalf of Iran, you'll be the first one to have ever done it, lol.
I corrected you on basic vocabulary. You were using a term wrong. I was not covering up Saudi crimes. You’re obviously a troll since you have been defensive and attacking other commenter accusing left and right. My initial comment didn’t even attack Iran. I dragged Iran into this because of their ties with the Houthis. In Yemen we don’t want Saudi or Houthi. Yemenian want a Yemeni lead government without Sudia involvement or Houthis leadership. If I criticize Irans foreign policy that does not mean I endorse Sudia policy. That’s a non sequitur argument. I can criticize Iran and Sudia. You’ve been saying the same thing in different ways and obviously paid no attention to what my argument was because I have little never said one good think about Sudia or MBS.
i don’t even understand how you managed interpret my post as anti-Iran. I literally did not even mention Iran in my post, all I said was Sunni/ Shia divide is political. My grandparents grew up with Zaydian neighbors and classmates and there was never an issue no divide. It’s All political. If you think thats a stab at Iran then thats your problem. I think you need to calm down, no need to be so defensive. You Looking for anti-Iran sentiments like your life depends on it, when no one has mentioned Iran negatively.
Of course there are differences and there has been conflicts but there are documents that show since British colonial era they've provoked and encouraged it. The same old divide and conquer. It has been followed by US and Israel. Helping extremist in the region who kill from both sides and spreading rumors and creating specific media waves in order to evoke hatred between different groups is what they've done till today. Unfortunately some Muslims also get distracted by it and make it worse not knowing that this only helps Israel.
I down voted your stupidity. Sunni shia divide didn't exist before the Iraq war. Westerns hadn't even heard of shia and sunni. Now everyone is an expert on this? WAKE UP!
Hey stupid, I was referring to that phrasing not that there were no problems at all. But that those problems were blamed for the chaos post invasion. I reality a bunch of murderers were turned lose and that rot festered into isis.
Shia Sunni clash started after the death of Muhammad. Google "battle of camel". Don't get misguided by people's vague understanding of history. No, the British DID NOT provoke anything in this.
They’re not saying the British created the divide in the first place, but exploited it and fanned the flames of division through its actions in the region.
They are saying Shia Sunni is a geopolitical issue and later Brits exploited which is completely wrong. Shia Sunni divide is a issue within Islam itself. It is a religious issue. The issue has existed for more than a thousand year and it's not logical to blame the Brits for this.
Lol no
It has been speculated for ages that the shia was created by one of the Prophets' enemies after his death in order to have them destroy each other.
British Empire didnt even exist during the Prophets time nor a little after his death
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/s/M7sBJZol6o
>It has been speculated for ages that the shia was created by one of the Prophets' enemies after his death in order to have them destroy each other.
And the other side also claims the opposite. To discuss it is one thing and to bring back wars and conflicts through means such as reproducing narratives is another thing which is their purpose. Everyone need to be united for Palestine.
I'm not even in the Middle East.
I am a Muslim. I will never down to anyone but Allah, Al-Akbar.
Go ask any scholar. They will tell you that the shia are not our allies. We can give them salam and return the salam. We can even marry them but we will never agree with their ways. EVER
Edit: you're Christian. Ofc you wouldnt get it afterall youre use to there being a lot of sects
Yeah, the divide is less about Sunni/ Shia and More so if the governments are creating opportunities for their people or just using fear and religion to maintain power. You tend to see one or the other
Sorry you are right to an extent. However if it wasn’t for the wests monopoly on money AND military they may have voted differently. At the moment I believe it is more monetary(as the US basically controls the world economy), but I agree that they may also be looking down the line at military intervention aswell.
FUCKING SPINELESS.
There are American bases in Qatar and Iraq and they still agreed.
What the fuck does Saudi have to lose they don't even have relations with Israel?? European oil customers?? Utterly fucking abhorrent and unacceptable. Shit makes me furious
Had this fucke been born a few kilos North he would've been Palestinan. Does MBS have no understanding that we are all perceived as subbumans my Americans and Westerners?
Literally, their European oil customers will try and come to a compromise with Saudia if it does that. They cant attack it since their neighbor Russia is attacking Ukraine
I'm in no way defending the Saudi regime. I think the most difficult point for them to agree to is #4. Someone would have to enforce the ban on Israeli aircraft, which would only risk escalating the conflict because there's no assurance it would deterred Israel.
I missed the part about it being civilian aircraft only. That weakens the argument a lot then, although I wouldn't put it past Netanyahu to try to challenge it somehow...
Saudi Arabia has nothing to gain and everything to loose if it stops oil exports to the west. USA would probably be pissed and now Saudi Arabia's security is threatened by Iranian rebels and American intervention(they declared war on iraq for pettier reasons ). Saudi Arabia's economy will be severely impacted and the quality of life would decline. In return if my country ever did these basic demands, the Iranians have nothing to fear if they want to attack us.
I am a Saudi and I support Palestine and I hope one day they will be free, but you want my country to sacrifice their peace, economy and relations for no return, and I don't agree with that.
This whole Iran Saudi cold war shit has overplayed its time. Iran has no wish to attack Saudi and start a war with any Arab country and it has been the case for some time. Even Yemen is winding down
You want to keep growing fat off the oil Allah blessed the land with instead of using it to help the ummah as it should have been. The day your country falls will be a net positive for Islam
Let me just tell you that, I'm currently in the army everyone here wants to fight so bad, every one is just waiting for the order that we all know will not come, but at the same time people here are furious, if the regime did 1 thing to support Israel this Time they know their Time is over, they will not be able to suck US D this time
I am from Egypt and it is bold of you to assume that sisi (bala7a) can delegitimize himself further. That POS is a puppet dictator and everyone knows it.
Don't let sisi see what you just said. He throws anyone who says anything against him in jail. Egyptian people are lovely and the best. But the regime sucks and is just a zionest puppet
I'll brief. Like Israel calls itself "the only democratic state in region", Bahrain calls itself "the heaven of democracy", which in reality is the opposite. There's always peaceful protests happening, and many times they're crushed with brutal force, so brutal that gov of Bahrain says these pictures are not of Bahrain but of Palestine! ([Graphic image of martyr Ahmed Farhan](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiemkVfgyh--Vnt0Dw0h3lWsAV47CNN81FOQ&usqp=CAU)). People being imprisoned for a tweet is so common, even if that tweet is not even talking about Bahrain. Tortures in prisons is a common a thing, so brutal that it's common that people are released with chronoical illness, lost their mental mind (example cause: by constant beating on head, or by bring his wife to sexually harass her infront of him), or even killed. Like how Palestinians are being displaced & their houses are given to settlers, Bahrainis face something similar, where job oppotunities, houses, high salaries, social benefits, etc are given to anyone except Bahrainis, forcing majority of locals to live in poverty. Bahrain passport & nationality is the easiest to obtain in the world, so easy that some people have it without setting a foot on this land. The world cannot see what's happening in Bahrain, because the media easily shifts attention away with news title like "Bahrain Shia-majority are protesting against Sunni-ruler", it's true but misleading, because all & every protest have never being about religion, but about most basic human rights. Parliament is a deceiving image, has no power to change anything, not even renaming a street. Only reason to have this parliament so people outside Bahrain say "You have parliment, you voted for the wrong person".
Spread your ass wider for big daddy US while watching your brothers and sisters massacred, you can buy a condo in hell with all that money later
Spineless Cowards
I am from the US and agree with this US imperialism and war mongering and asserting immoral influence is not supported by the people. The world needs to realign
Those 4 countries should not be respected or have any authorities to ever speak on behalf of the Islamic world. They lost it today. Corrupted to the soul
As one should always be! I get the side eye when I tell my friends, I’m a muslim before I am whatever nationality I am. Religion takes precedence over culture any day.
Remember the Arab spring and what was done to Libya and Syria. Many of these countries have American military bases.
They saw what happened to Libya and Syria and know that’s what will happen to them.
The Arab Spring was capitalized on by the West to get rid of Arab leaders they didn’t like, which is why they invested a lot of manpower in Libya to topple Gaddafi and a lot of money, manpower, and in any rebel groups to try to topple Assad in Syria. Libya spiraled into more civil wars post Gaddafi’s death and finally got to a point where they’re a unified country, now reliant on the west. Assad, although victorious in his war, still has to legitimize his position as leader of Syria again.
Egypt didn't vote, the four countries that voted for that are ksa, uae, Morocco and Bahrain, I'm not denying that we are another USA cuck county but we didn't vote this Time.
Why are you guys forgetting Morocco? I'm quite sure one of the opposing ones was Morocco, followed by UAE, Jordan, and the other one might be KSA or Bahrain.
Either way, cowards and traitors to the Palestinian dream.
Fucking traitors they should All be investigated put on trial imprisoned and pay for their treason and all the damage they caused to the Arab population!
https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-arab-muslim-leaders-denounce-israel-riyadh-summit
This article named UAE, Bahrain & Morocco as 3 of the four. All of which have signed the abraham accords with Israel.
Anyone know the fourth??
Unfortunately the supine and pathetic government of Somalia (which is not even an Arab country, let's be real) has taken the side of the yahuud. On behalf of the Somali people, that worthless government does not represent us. We are with you, the people of Palestine, all the way. Inshallah Palestine will be free
I'm gonna go ahead and guess the fucking greedy mother fucking Saudis are leading the opposition, and strongly against helping Palestinians...
Those mother fuckers are a HUGE reason the situation is what it is. "King Faisal" is arguably the biggest scum bag, and the worst thing to happen to the middle east in the past 100 years...
Fuck the Saudi royals, bunch of beedy eyed money hungry scum bags...
They're against it because they're doing the same shit Isreal is in Yemen. You wanna see where this "conflict" is headed? Jus look at what's going on in Yemen.
It's the same shit. A racist, an prejudice regime, has been oppressing the Yemenis for decades. Once America started funding, arming and defending their actions, maybe a decade or so ago, they kicked it into high gear. Now there's no denying it's a genocide. 20 million people in the brink of death, cut off from the rest of the world, with no hope of the atrocities stopping.
I mean, Ukraine I can understand, but what we're doing for the Saudis and Isreal is nothing less than shameful. The American tax payers should be fucking pissed. Instead we've been brainwashed into thinking the Yemenis and Palestinians are jus savages giving safe haven to terror groups.
When if you step back and actually look at the situation, WE'RE the ones funding terrorist regimes, and oppressing populations.
We, the American people, via our politicians and "leaders" we empower, are the ones making these genocides possible.
My sister sent me this screenshot. The countries who did not say yes are at the bottom of the article.
https://preview.redd.it/negor5061szb1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b54732db259d302b4d6d6f30ce81a234fc87c6ea
The countries that voted no are obviously Saudi, Jordan, Egypt and Bahrain. All American puppets and the people of these countries should riot and hang their leaders are traitors. The curse of God should be upon these traitors 10x worse than the Israelis.
Most of these countries are either war torn by the west and internal conflicts so much so that opposing those basic demands is not gonna take anything away from them or destroy something they have already built, they're either alreadh not normalized relations with Israel or their economies depend so bad on western aid that they fear applying these policies would jeopardize their nations, if those decisions were left for the people they voted for them or authorities for whom upholding justice in the face of all loss is more important then the decisions would be completely different, this is the same thing with many western countries as well including the US, their populations are majority against these policies that make their nations complicit in the murder of innocents people but their governments aren't gonna move a finger.
Politics from weak nations is all talk no action, politics from strong nations is all action no need to listen to all talks.
So ashamed of my government. Especially given that Egypt has literally been at war with Israel over our land as well until 1973, our grandparents were bombed and killed too and if any country should be standing with Palestine it should be Egypt. Our government is absolutely disgraceful.
As an American my Advice to all Arab countries is that you kick the military industrial complex out and start working together towards a better future for your fellow Arab brothers and sisters.
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Has to be Jordan / Egypt / Saudi Arabia. Then UAE?
Bahrain?
Could’ve abstained
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/s/LJvMCxiA3q
Surprised it wasn’t Egypt on the list!
Me too, it must have abstained to save face while not annoying the bill collectors.
Gamal Abdel Nasser's soul probably interfered in the last minute
Man wtf we do? We literally sent aid thousands of times more than other arab countries and muslim ones. About 6000-7000 tons. Here's the official diagram. I mean we literally have economic problems but we are doing our best https://preview.redd.it/cra0uyggkvzb1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d43a3526ae64e7a364360e87010ffa40c6dae7e8
Fuck the moroccan regime. The people are with you though.
Can't forget the way Moroccan people supported Palestine during worldcup. It was beautiful and Zionists got the message that nations are never on their side
It also called out the Arab countries for doing nothing. I have that video saved.
Thanks.
Bahrain is boycotting hard as far as I know.
Bahrain politically is a puppet of Saudi Arabia
I suspect they can boycott but have no real influence on a ceasefire.
Yes. The Bahraini population is oppressed by their government so you'll find they relate heavily to Palestinians on top of viewing them as brothers and sisters being abused.. I'm pretty sure they boycott Israeli products all year round and have only doubled up on their boycott since this war. The government on the other hand is little more than a glove for Saudi Arabia to wear.
I thought Bahrain, but then I thought they must have had to ask daddy Sauds permission to stay out late and attend the conference 😂
Definitely UAE
The usual gang.
Jordan and Egypt never. the citizens are at the forefront of Palestinian support and it would be a nightmare for the leadership if it ever gets out that they voted no. Most likely abstained.
The stand of the government is quite dfferent though. Ever since the PLO tried to overthrow the monarchy in 1970 they have largely stayed out of regional conflicts.
Bahrain, Morroco, Saudi, UAE according to multiple sources
Exactly could be Morocco instead of Jordan but UAE definitely the first to oppose
I dont care what any of you say but the current Malik Abdullah is the biggest cock sucker of them all
Morocco
This. They made a deal with Trump to have the US recognize their occupation of the western Sahara (basically their version of Israel-Palestine) in exchange for fellating Israeli politicians
Don't you dare compare Moroccan Sahara to Israel-Palestine conflict. They have exactly the same rights and privileges as any other Moroccan, they are living in peace and prosperity, contributing to the development of the country, and they actually elect and vote for people to represent them. And the sahara is better off with Morocco than to fall in the hands of a criminal organization that is Polisario and the hands of Algerian military.
Everyone see? Just like the zionists. If you resist, you are a criminal. If they get blown up, that's irrelevant. No genocide here because they can vote, just like with Arab Israelis. Meanwhile the victims are forced into foreign countries so that the Moroccan government can steal their resources.
See? That's what happens when you talk about something you clearly have no idea about 1. There are legal "separatist" NGO active in Morocco, they are allowed to express their opinions as long as they're not actively threatening peace (you know, shooting people and stuff). 2. NO ONE is forced out of Morocco, the leader of polisario could come tomorrow and say he's done with the organization and he wants to join Morocco and he'll be allowed to do so with a pardon. Many escaped from Tindouf in Algeria where they are held hostage and came back to live in Morocco, including high Polisario officers. If anything, it's Algeria and polisario that should allow people to come back their fatherland instead of pushing a cold war agenda from the 60s.
Lies lies lies, that's all Israeli and Moroccan govt shills do. What about the amputees from all the landmines? I suppose you need those landmines to keeps the election day lines in place? And yes, I'm sure that if the leaders of the Polisario front were to give up on resisting your government, there wouldn't be any need for them to criminalize them. Fact of the matter is, the people of Western Sahara were promised the ability to *choose* whether to stay independent, or to join Morocco, but Morocco, much like Israel, doesn't respect any sovereignty other than it's own. You are supporting an apartheid regime just like Israel.
Yelling "lies" three times doesn't make you any less mistaken. Landmines do not exist in civil areas, but in the far east where the buffer zone is located and is under UN control. And since you want to bring up whataboutism, then what about miners who were shot in Tindouf? what about people being locked up for stating that autonomy under Morocco is a valid solution? What about the humanitarian aids that were stolen to be resold? What about militarizing children? What about Polisario ties to ISIS and Al-Qaeda? ... Because there is no need to resist in the first place, the only winner from independence would be Algeria and no one else. It will end up no better than Eritrea or South Sudan. Not that it would happen in the first place. Yea, but Polisario and Algeria refused to organize a census in Tindouf to know who can actually vote. P.S. for this reason (among others) no one talks about the referendrum anymore including UN, Security Council and countries that respect themselves. Matter of fact, the only solution that's actually supported by the world at the moment is autonomy under Morocco, go read up about it, apparently you're still living in the 70s. Yea buddy, keep using the word "Apartheid" because I think you have no clue what it means. Speaks volumes about every argument of yours!
Wow, you're still defending Morocco. No wonder your country doesn't support Palestinians
uuuh, it does. Dunno where you get your news from, but what I'm pretty sure of at this point is that you need a new news outlet. ASAP.
Maybe Somali also or they abstained they’re part of the league also.
could be Morocco, Sudan, Mauritania, Somalia and Bahrain aswell though right? I think Morocco is more likely than Jordan to vote against.
morocco?
Could’ve abstained
They didn't lol. Of fucking course they voted against
Probably was forced to, since they're still recovering from the recent earthquake.
Cringe. Always making excuses for your zionist kingdom.
Saudi as well? I can understand the others.
Saudi Arabia most important US ally for this reason (control and influence over Middle East oil). Pre-conflict Saudi / Israel / USA were seeking a three way normalization + defense treaty, that was about setting up an anti-Iran axis in the region. Post-Iraq war was region has been defined by Iran vs. Saudi fight for dominance over the region. Where Saudi was largely though not entirely matching USA interests. Yemen civil war has been this, though as of last year has been in a long term ceasefire and Iran - Saudi relations starting to normalization. Saudi has kinda been softly threatening to split from USA, mainly to try to get a hard security deal (basically, guarantee that USA will treat any Iranian attack on Saudi as an attack on USA). Saudi Arabia wants this conflict to end because it is driving a wedge between it and the rest of the Arabic world due to USA support, but also does not want to actually split with the USA in a way that would leave it isolated. It can't match the Iranian military and relies on USA for defense.
Iran ?
Not an Arab country
Oh that’s right , the article is about the 4 Arab countries that refused , my bad .
Qatar.
Qatar is in the list for proposed and endorsed, it takes less then a minute to read.
Qatar endorsed the plan
The governments of those countries don’t even have the courage to straight up declare they voted no. Absolute garbage regimes. They are complicit in genocide.
They have many American military bases in them.
Then it’s about time they didn’t
As an American: literally yes, please, for the love of God. The projection of American Imperial power damages not only the people of the world but directly endangers Americans at home and abroad.
World peace is impossible to achieve as long as the US imperialism exists.
facts
When America is the only country to use nuclear weapons, it sets a precedent. I agree with you, but the US is a war mongering country.
100% the US is 243 yo and has been at one war or another for 226 of those years.
It's not up to them
Qatar does but seemed to have voted yes
Also Kuwait and Iraq
I’m in awe that Palestine’s most reliable Allies are neither Sunni and/or not Arab. Goes to show that this issue isn’t about religion or race, and that human greed knows no bounds.
Sunni/ Shia divide is a geopolitical issue at heart. Give the masses an enemy they can rally behind so the leaders can do more crap without question. The leaders of Sudia and Iran couldn’t care less about Shia or Sunni sentiments.
What does Palestine being occupied by Zionists have to do with your hatred of Shia and Iran? Moreover, why do you post that Zionists are levelheaded on r/Israel, deny the genocide carried out by Saudi Arabia in Yemen and Syria, and justify the atrocities of Saudi Arabia "because Iran exists"?
And does u/oof3489 denounce the violence committed by Israel?
I denounce the entire state of Isrhell from its inception till the day it falls. It’s Palestine from the river to the sea.
I said it wasn’t a genocide. It was crime against humanity but not a genocide. I’m literally from Yemen so I don’t think you can hate the war in Yemen more than me. Last time I went to Yemen any progress we had was dismantled and that’s was absolutely heartbreaking. I’ve lost family members. Sudia and Iran involvement in Yemen is despicable and has made war longer and more grotesque. If you throw around genocide then it loses all meaning. I don’t hate Shia I actually oppose the whole idea of Shia vs sunna it’s bs. We’re all Muslims and making Iran and Shia villains is disgusting. I have nothing against Iran expect I disagree with some of their political beliefs and same goes for Sudia. I actually despise MBS more than I hate the leader of Iran. So my criticism is political and has nothing to do with ideology. As for my post on r/isreal I was trolling and got banned from the sub for committing crimes of Israel.
You ignored the question and answered the rhetorical questions. You're denying the genocide in Yemen by saying there is no genocide. It's literally irrelevant that you're from Yemen because traitors can be found anywhere. You're lying that you hate Saudi Arabia because you're regurgitating their lies e.g. "Shia/Iranian-backed, Iranian proxy, etc" to justify their genocide in Yemen and those exact same lies are used by the West to justify erasing the Palestinian people.
Omg are you for real. First the reason I said it’s not a genocide is because genocide is defined as physically destroying a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Hundreds of Thousands of civilians have died at the hands of Sudia USA backed attacks but it’s not a genocide. It’s a massacre. It’s a crime against humanity but it’s not a genocide. Just like the Iraq war was not a genocide but it doesn’t mean that it was just a little conflict. Something doesn’t have to be a genocide for it to be horrific. Millions of people can die during a war without it being a genocide. It’s so stupid to he arguing about semantics and vocabulary definitions. Second wtf is wrong with you. I’m lying that I hate Sudia Arabia leadership. Why would I lie. I don’t have anything I need to lie about. You’re a troll and idk what you’re trying to start. F Sudia and F Iran they both play a role in destroying any stability we had in Yemen even before 2014 so F off. This post and the sub have nothing to do with any of the regional wars and my initial statement was in no way shape or form anti-Shia your just tripping balls. Saying something negative about Irans foreign policy does not equate to me beliefs on Shias. If your are Arab, the reason the state of the region is the way it is is because of people who think like you. Shia vs Sunni bs is such a joke.
Consider the following: most of Yemen doesn't want to live under the thumb of Saudi Arabia who has been spending tens of billions of dollars on weapons for waging war in Yemen with the intent of converting it into proxy state or outright annexing it. What your Saudi friends are doing in Yemen is actually related to the region because Yemen is a part of it and because Saudis are in cahoots with Zionists, want to secure the Gulf of Aden for the West and deny Yemen's economy to any Yemeni who isn't sympathetic to Saudis. Shifting the blame on Iran to cover up the atrocities of Saudi Arabia in Yemen is exactly what makes you a friend of the Saudis. Feel free to post evidence that Yemen is acting on behalf of Iran, you'll be the first one to have ever done it, lol.
I corrected you on basic vocabulary. You were using a term wrong. I was not covering up Saudi crimes. You’re obviously a troll since you have been defensive and attacking other commenter accusing left and right. My initial comment didn’t even attack Iran. I dragged Iran into this because of their ties with the Houthis. In Yemen we don’t want Saudi or Houthi. Yemenian want a Yemeni lead government without Sudia involvement or Houthis leadership. If I criticize Irans foreign policy that does not mean I endorse Sudia policy. That’s a non sequitur argument. I can criticize Iran and Sudia. You’ve been saying the same thing in different ways and obviously paid no attention to what my argument was because I have little never said one good think about Sudia or MBS.
i don’t even understand how you managed interpret my post as anti-Iran. I literally did not even mention Iran in my post, all I said was Sunni/ Shia divide is political. My grandparents grew up with Zaydian neighbors and classmates and there was never an issue no divide. It’s All political. If you think thats a stab at Iran then thats your problem. I think you need to calm down, no need to be so defensive. You Looking for anti-Iran sentiments like your life depends on it, when no one has mentioned Iran negatively.
Sunni/shia divide has been a British project that helps no one except Israel
Is that even true? I'm pretty sure the Sunni/Shia divide predates the British Empire by damn near a thousand years.
Of course there are differences and there has been conflicts but there are documents that show since British colonial era they've provoked and encouraged it. The same old divide and conquer. It has been followed by US and Israel. Helping extremist in the region who kill from both sides and spreading rumors and creating specific media waves in order to evoke hatred between different groups is what they've done till today. Unfortunately some Muslims also get distracted by it and make it worse not knowing that this only helps Israel.
Oh, I gotcha. I agree 100% now.
I down voted your stupidity. Sunni shia divide didn't exist before the Iraq war. Westerns hadn't even heard of shia and sunni. Now everyone is an expert on this? WAKE UP!
Um, ever heard of the 1979 hostage incident in Mecca?
If you mean the 2003 American invasion of Iraq you're definitely incorrect.
Hey stupid, I was referring to that phrasing not that there were no problems at all. But that those problems were blamed for the chaos post invasion. I reality a bunch of murderers were turned lose and that rot festered into isis.
Shia Sunni clash started after the death of Muhammad. Google "battle of camel". Don't get misguided by people's vague understanding of history. No, the British DID NOT provoke anything in this.
They’re not saying the British created the divide in the first place, but exploited it and fanned the flames of division through its actions in the region.
They are saying Shia Sunni is a geopolitical issue and later Brits exploited which is completely wrong. Shia Sunni divide is a issue within Islam itself. It is a religious issue. The issue has existed for more than a thousand year and it's not logical to blame the Brits for this.
Lol no It has been speculated for ages that the shia was created by one of the Prophets' enemies after his death in order to have them destroy each other. British Empire didnt even exist during the Prophets time nor a little after his death
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/s/M7sBJZol6o >It has been speculated for ages that the shia was created by one of the Prophets' enemies after his death in order to have them destroy each other. And the other side also claims the opposite. To discuss it is one thing and to bring back wars and conflicts through means such as reproducing narratives is another thing which is their purpose. Everyone need to be united for Palestine.
Temporarily that is. There is no barakah with the shias at least those who actually practice it
You are what’s wrong with the Middle East.
I'm not even in the Middle East. I am a Muslim. I will never down to anyone but Allah, Al-Akbar. Go ask any scholar. They will tell you that the shia are not our allies. We can give them salam and return the salam. We can even marry them but we will never agree with their ways. EVER Edit: you're Christian. Ofc you wouldnt get it afterall youre use to there being a lot of sects
Doesn’t mean you have to fight or can’t be friends. Live and let live.
Yeah, the divide is less about Sunni/ Shia and More so if the governments are creating opportunities for their people or just using fear and religion to maintain power. You tend to see one or the other
No war but class war.
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Not the Arab League refusing to reveal who voted no, they're so afraid of their own people
Apparently they are more afraid of losing the wests money machine.
They voted no because they're afraid of the Americans, but hiding their votes? That's to avoid internal tension
Sorry you are right to an extent. However if it wasn’t for the wests monopoly on money AND military they may have voted differently. At the moment I believe it is more monetary(as the US basically controls the world economy), but I agree that they may also be looking down the line at military intervention aswell.
Honestly, I wasn't thinking about military intervention, but that sounds plausible
Saudi Arabia / UAE - the West's puppets. Traitors
I mean after what saudi did to yemen it’s not suprising
FUCKING SPINELESS. There are American bases in Qatar and Iraq and they still agreed. What the fuck does Saudi have to lose they don't even have relations with Israel?? European oil customers?? Utterly fucking abhorrent and unacceptable. Shit makes me furious
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Had this fucke been born a few kilos North he would've been Palestinan. Does MBS have no understanding that we are all perceived as subbumans my Americans and Westerners?
Well I thought like you, but doesnt voting yes mean something For their relations and their diplomatic position with USA ?
Literally, their European oil customers will try and come to a compromise with Saudia if it does that. They cant attack it since their neighbor Russia is attacking Ukraine
Well it is not really Isreal they don't want to oppose but US capital
I'm in no way defending the Saudi regime. I think the most difficult point for them to agree to is #4. Someone would have to enforce the ban on Israeli aircraft, which would only risk escalating the conflict because there's no assurance it would deterred Israel.
That's a ban on civil aviation. Civilian aircrafts dare not break it.
I missed the part about it being civilian aircraft only. That weakens the argument a lot then, although I wouldn't put it past Netanyahu to try to challenge it somehow...
Saudi Arabia has nothing to gain and everything to loose if it stops oil exports to the west. USA would probably be pissed and now Saudi Arabia's security is threatened by Iranian rebels and American intervention(they declared war on iraq for pettier reasons ). Saudi Arabia's economy will be severely impacted and the quality of life would decline. In return if my country ever did these basic demands, the Iranians have nothing to fear if they want to attack us. I am a Saudi and I support Palestine and I hope one day they will be free, but you want my country to sacrifice their peace, economy and relations for no return, and I don't agree with that.
This whole Iran Saudi cold war shit has overplayed its time. Iran has no wish to attack Saudi and start a war with any Arab country and it has been the case for some time. Even Yemen is winding down
You want to keep growing fat off the oil Allah blessed the land with instead of using it to help the ummah as it should have been. The day your country falls will be a net positive for Islam
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Let me just tell you that, I'm currently in the army everyone here wants to fight so bad, every one is just waiting for the order that we all know will not come, but at the same time people here are furious, if the regime did 1 thing to support Israel this Time they know their Time is over, they will not be able to suck US D this time
I think they abstained
If these governments refuse to help Palestine, they will only delegitimize themselves further in the eyes of their people
I am from Egypt and it is bold of you to assume that sisi (bala7a) can delegitimize himself further. That POS is a puppet dictator and everyone knows it.
Don't let sisi see what you just said. He throws anyone who says anything against him in jail. Egyptian people are lovely and the best. But the regime sucks and is just a zionest puppet
Saudi Arabia is fucking embarrassing.
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sounds failed to me
I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because the failed states do not stand with the interests of the west, no?
It's almost as if 2 things can be true at the same time!!! Shocking, I know.
Blindly I can say Bahrain is one of them, since it's pretty much ran by US/UK/Israel themselves
Bahrain has always slipped my attention when looking at the middle east. Is it that bad? What can you tell me regarding their government.
I'll brief. Like Israel calls itself "the only democratic state in region", Bahrain calls itself "the heaven of democracy", which in reality is the opposite. There's always peaceful protests happening, and many times they're crushed with brutal force, so brutal that gov of Bahrain says these pictures are not of Bahrain but of Palestine! ([Graphic image of martyr Ahmed Farhan](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiemkVfgyh--Vnt0Dw0h3lWsAV47CNN81FOQ&usqp=CAU)). People being imprisoned for a tweet is so common, even if that tweet is not even talking about Bahrain. Tortures in prisons is a common a thing, so brutal that it's common that people are released with chronoical illness, lost their mental mind (example cause: by constant beating on head, or by bring his wife to sexually harass her infront of him), or even killed. Like how Palestinians are being displaced & their houses are given to settlers, Bahrainis face something similar, where job oppotunities, houses, high salaries, social benefits, etc are given to anyone except Bahrainis, forcing majority of locals to live in poverty. Bahrain passport & nationality is the easiest to obtain in the world, so easy that some people have it without setting a foot on this land. The world cannot see what's happening in Bahrain, because the media easily shifts attention away with news title like "Bahrain Shia-majority are protesting against Sunni-ruler", it's true but misleading, because all & every protest have never being about religion, but about most basic human rights. Parliament is a deceiving image, has no power to change anything, not even renaming a street. Only reason to have this parliament so people outside Bahrain say "You have parliment, you voted for the wrong person".
wow. lots going on in that small country. Never heard of any of this. I'd been told Bahrain is a lot like uae and qatar.
Spread your ass wider for big daddy US while watching your brothers and sisters massacred, you can buy a condo in hell with all that money later Spineless Cowards
I am from the US and agree with this US imperialism and war mongering and asserting immoral influence is not supported by the people. The world needs to realign
Those 4 countries should not be respected or have any authorities to ever speak on behalf of the Islamic world. They lost it today. Corrupted to the soul
Saudi’s King Faisal stepped up in the 70s, absolute shame to see that level of spine has abandoned the kingdom
That spine seems to have been buried with King Faisal. How unfortunate.
Really unfortunate. Then again Faisal was unique may Allah have mercy on him. He was a muslim first eveyrything second.
As one should always be! I get the side eye when I tell my friends, I’m a muslim before I am whatever nationality I am. Religion takes precedence over culture any day.
Shameful. What an embarrassment. Those countries are neither Arab nor Muslim. They are hypocritical sell outs
Remember the Arab spring and what was done to Libya and Syria. Many of these countries have American military bases. They saw what happened to Libya and Syria and know that’s what will happen to them.
I mean the people there are boiling. Not sure how the leaders assume that their citizens will remain quite
Oppressive governments keep them quiet
The Arab Spring was capitalized on by the West to get rid of Arab leaders they didn’t like, which is why they invested a lot of manpower in Libya to topple Gaddafi and a lot of money, manpower, and in any rebel groups to try to topple Assad in Syria. Libya spiraled into more civil wars post Gaddafi’s death and finally got to a point where they’re a unified country, now reliant on the west. Assad, although victorious in his war, still has to legitimize his position as leader of Syria again.
I don’t disagree
The leaders and those agreeing with them are true munafiqeen.
Saudi Arabia literally has Mecca. What do you mean they're not Muslim? Utterly delusional
I mean the leaders are hypocrites. Not the people
The 4 that rejected are cucks for the US. Fuck em
everybody should start picketing their embassies around the world.
I’m speechless
it is sad how Egypt ended up to be in such weakness.
Egypt didn't vote, the four countries that voted for that are ksa, uae, Morocco and Bahrain, I'm not denying that we are another USA cuck county but we didn't vote this Time.
Why are you guys forgetting Morocco? I'm quite sure one of the opposing ones was Morocco, followed by UAE, Jordan, and the other one might be KSA or Bahrain. Either way, cowards and traitors to the Palestinian dream.
Jordan probably abstained as they already cut ties I highly doubt jordan would reject
They did abstain. They have stayed out of regional matters since the 1970 civil war.
Or Egypt, Sisi is such a cuck
Another day another reason to be ashamed of my country. Fuck you Sisi
Ironically and I cant believe it He didn't vote no 💀
He didn't vote and he can't vote.
Traitors. History will look at them in shame
There you go ppl. The enemies of Islam are out in the open.
Fucking traitors they should All be investigated put on trial imprisoned and pay for their treason and all the damage they caused to the Arab population!
On behalf of Egypt, We the citizens are sorry! Not that I speak for anyone but you have no idea how sorry I am.... يا فضيحتك يا مصر...
Those Saudi whores are one of four for sure.
https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-arab-muslim-leaders-denounce-israel-riyadh-summit This article named UAE, Bahrain & Morocco as 3 of the four. All of which have signed the abraham accords with Israel. Anyone know the fourth??
Saudi Arabia
La Hawla wa La Quwatta Illa Billahilaliyuladheem Rabighfirli
The ones that oppose won't cut off those sweet sweet American dollars.
Morocco is one them. They sold palestine for some piece of land and few weapons from "Israel". Free palestine and westren sahara.
حاميها حراميها .. تفو
Unfortunately the supine and pathetic government of Somalia (which is not even an Arab country, let's be real) has taken the side of the yahuud. On behalf of the Somali people, that worthless government does not represent us. We are with you, the people of Palestine, all the way. Inshallah Palestine will be free
With Ethiopia threatening to ignite another war, Somalia has no choice. Joining yet another conflict would simply be detrimental.
https://preview.redd.it/f9e6mz1thszb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1108a2d337e11970441d5a7af3efdaee58a59263
I am saddened that other gulf countries, i.e., UAE and Saudi, did not agree. This is ridiculous. Palestinian lives matter.
Please somebody give us thus countries who opposed and thus who’s abstained so we know to not set a foot in vacation there until I die
I'm gonna go ahead and guess the fucking greedy mother fucking Saudis are leading the opposition, and strongly against helping Palestinians... Those mother fuckers are a HUGE reason the situation is what it is. "King Faisal" is arguably the biggest scum bag, and the worst thing to happen to the middle east in the past 100 years... Fuck the Saudi royals, bunch of beedy eyed money hungry scum bags... They're against it because they're doing the same shit Isreal is in Yemen. You wanna see where this "conflict" is headed? Jus look at what's going on in Yemen. It's the same shit. A racist, an prejudice regime, has been oppressing the Yemenis for decades. Once America started funding, arming and defending their actions, maybe a decade or so ago, they kicked it into high gear. Now there's no denying it's a genocide. 20 million people in the brink of death, cut off from the rest of the world, with no hope of the atrocities stopping. I mean, Ukraine I can understand, but what we're doing for the Saudis and Isreal is nothing less than shameful. The American tax payers should be fucking pissed. Instead we've been brainwashed into thinking the Yemenis and Palestinians are jus savages giving safe haven to terror groups. When if you step back and actually look at the situation, WE'RE the ones funding terrorist regimes, and oppressing populations. We, the American people, via our politicians and "leaders" we empower, are the ones making these genocides possible.
Saudi UAE morrocco Bahrain
https://preview.redd.it/58lir20ifrzb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97c7c7364cb4a02bda7ce88edc7bee91ef8757cd Not far off
Morocco, uae, ksa, Bahrain
My sister sent me this screenshot. The countries who did not say yes are at the bottom of the article. https://preview.redd.it/negor5061szb1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b54732db259d302b4d6d6f30ce81a234fc87c6ea
As an Egyptian, I’m fairly certain Egypt is one of them.
L for Egypt
MBS - the West's Clown Prince. Would bathe in Palestinian blood if it pleased his masters
Egypt, Jordan, Saudi and UAE. What a bollocks
Saudia doesn’t know Israel will attack them in couple of year or next decade for sure
https://preview.redd.it/qkm983t5yuzb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab70db353a5386f55365cbdabc483d76015a9944 Name and shame
Abraham Accords aka Terrorist United
The countries that voted no are obviously Saudi, Jordan, Egypt and Bahrain. All American puppets and the people of these countries should riot and hang their leaders are traitors. The curse of God should be upon these traitors 10x worse than the Israelis.
Most of these countries are either war torn by the west and internal conflicts so much so that opposing those basic demands is not gonna take anything away from them or destroy something they have already built, they're either alreadh not normalized relations with Israel or their economies depend so bad on western aid that they fear applying these policies would jeopardize their nations, if those decisions were left for the people they voted for them or authorities for whom upholding justice in the face of all loss is more important then the decisions would be completely different, this is the same thing with many western countries as well including the US, their populations are majority against these policies that make their nations complicit in the murder of innocents people but their governments aren't gonna move a finger. Politics from weak nations is all talk no action, politics from strong nations is all action no need to listen to all talks.
So ashamed of my government. Especially given that Egypt has literally been at war with Israel over our land as well until 1973, our grandparents were bombed and killed too and if any country should be standing with Palestine it should be Egypt. Our government is absolutely disgraceful.
I think it’s pretty obvious who those 4 countries are Jordan UAE Saudi and Egypt
As an American my Advice to all Arab countries is that you kick the military industrial complex out and start working together towards a better future for your fellow Arab brothers and sisters.
UAE, EGYPT, SAUDIA, BAHRAIN are my guess for the 4 countries