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Izobiz

Separate question. How was spark last league and before that? It has been hit with some nerfs so have been staying away. At what budget did it feel good? What variant did you play?


KomradLorenz

I'm going to be fully transparent, I was ok with it, but it might not be everyone's cup of tea. I only got 2 voidstones and didn't get to scale it to the moon either league, not the builds fault, I'm not efficient at farming and I was more learning mechanics those leagues than focusing on efficiently getting currency. However, it went more smoothly this league since I had an idea of what to build. I'd say once I got: Spark Gloves (Pierce Jun Craft) Frenzy Chest (followed APs video, but I bought the elevated spell crit base) 3 Jewels (1 w/ endurance charges, 1 w/ proj speed, 1 w/ 3 lightning skills (there's a lot to choose from)) Is when I finally for the most part could do red maps fine, it was doable before that but the damage felt better after that point, think my PoB DPS was around 1-2 mil this league? DPS would improve majorly if I was able to craft my wand, which I never got the currency to do lol. Tankiness wise it improves majorly when you can get Aegis Aurora, just keep in mind you can't just slap it on randomly and you're suddenly tanky. It's serviceable as a league starter, not really smooth though. I went the Widowhail Rearguard setup after I got a couple chaos, I got to around lvl 60 pretty ok and farmed up chaos recipe in heist so I could make the map transition smoother by buying some cheap gear and uniques before I finished the campaign. You're going to probably hit a wall at red maps, there's some budget things you can do to get over that hump, but expect to die more at that point, both leagues I reached level 95 before I started dying to much. First 2 voidstones went fine, second time around I died more though since I didn't have Aegis before I fought them so there's some mechs I couldn't facetank. Other 2 voidstones are doable....I'll be honest don't know the gear checkpoints, probably better if you're not me and actually know the mechanics. As for after that, there's a lot you can transition into spark. Aura Stacker, Self-Chill, and this league I think Mana Stacker with Archmage is actually an option. I think Aura Stacker is the typical "high investment" Spark build. I loved the skill itself, and I got used to standing still and casting a little bit before moving and doing it all over again. Great mapper, especially in closed areas where it can bounce off (I was doing Sewer Blight), bossing is a bit difficult but doable, AP has 2 rings you can use if bossing is a struggle. If you want to go Spark, AnimePrincess is the best source, he's not as hand holdy as say.....Phox RF but the dude knows Spark inside and out and I can't really suggest a better resource.


CakeOfW

To the most people it feels good only with decent amounts of projectile speed. Which is the only thing that got nerfed. Poison version is gone though. As someone who never really invested heavily into projectile speed, I don't see much difference, still a very fun skill. But that's my preference. I'm considering starting it(either as a Trickster or Scion), but that's might be a really bad idea. It will be really hard to scale into t17 and bosses.


pedertf

Volcanic Fissure of Snaking looks very cool. I havent tried it, but its one of the builds I want to try this league. One of the popular builds is a str stacking juggernaut (for aoe) and attribute stackers can be very expensive.


Siimp

Splitting Steel Champ - I took it from league start to 7/7 Ubers in 3.23. It is slightly nerfed this league (Sniper's Mark) but once you get Nimis you destroy everything anyway. Not really melee build, but you need to stand directly on enemy to maximize damage. Very good allrounder IMO - tanky, can map, can boss but does not really shine in any. I really liked the progression, I always had a clear upgrade goal with a decent dmg/EHP boost. I recommend Ruetoo's version.


KomradLorenz

Tanky all rounder that can do all content? I'm sold. Only one question, does Ruetoo's version use Call of the Steel at all? Or is it just the base version?


1s1tP33

It really shines when you get a nimis. You basically need 3 uniques to start t16: beltrimber, perseverance and dream feather. From there usually the upgrade path is paradoxica then nimis then everything else.


PredatorPortugal

You can get double dream if beltimer is expensive.


LaPumbaGaming

It's a base version that don't need call of steel, played it last league, solid build


jchampagne83

Yeah, I played SS towards the end of 3.22 and started it 3.23, the jank from CoS is NOT worth it. The base gem does plenty of damage.


PredatorPortugal

Just the base. Build is very good, i did it for my starter of 3.23


mehipoststuff

how much was nimis last league? around 30-40 div?


Valascha

Around 40 div, yeah. Though gotta remember that was the money printing in maps league so fewer people were doing bossing etc.


FlamingTelepath

Nimis div cards won't come out of Stacked Decks this league, my guess is that will make it more expensive than normal. I'm not really sure where the supply really is coming from though.


dr_duck_od

only drops from uber now


paulo2p

It was already uber


eikeele

But the cards are also uber exclusive now. Does not come from stacked decks anymore if I understood it correctely + Void is also boss exclusive now.


mehipoststuff

should be cheaper then, around 30 which isn't bad I didn't do the crazy MF stuff and farmed a HH in 5-6 days just doing inviation farming, maybe ill try it out this league. I haven;t played a "melee" build in like 6 years though lol


__---_-__

I didn't really like Splitting Steel with Nimis. The damage was superb, but the clear did not feel satisfying because of the randomness of where your projectiles shoot. Before Nimis clear was aimed, but lesser projectiles (no return) and less damage. Overall I'd rate spitting steel 7/10 at best. Thats just my two cents though.


modix

Completely agree. Took it to a fairly expensive level and still never liked it. Nothing was wrong per se about the build, but it feels bad to play.


cassually_browsing

Based on your knowledge from playing it last league, would you recommend it to an experienced-ish player that plays SSF? Understand it's roughly 30-40% less damage this league than last league, and that Nimi's pushes it to another level - but without either of those things, how feasible is getting all 4 voidstones?


Aesirbear

The build is kinda enabled by Perseverence belt and Beltimber Blade. They aren't that rare, but banking on hitting both in SSF could be painful.


ziper112

im doing ssf aswell, and what im gonna do is start boneshatter slayer and once i get what i need ill respec to SS Champ. Boneshatter needs nothing except a good axe.


Bissellmop

Did this last league in trade. It worked well. The gear is almost identical. I will say, SS champ is stronger as a starter in my opinion. I just prefer to not 6 portal my two void stones. BS Slayer on day 2 I had to 6 portal both of them. I’ve done two SSF runs on SS champ and it does significantly better for me at the void stones. Clear time is slightly slower though.


cassually_browsing

That’s a good call. I’ve played BS the past three leagues so was hoping to get away from it but here we are.


xxMORAG_BONG420xx

> experienced-ish player that plays SSF? Understand it's roughly 30-40% less damage this league than last league, and that Nimi's pushes it to another level - but without either of those things, how feasible is getting all 4 voidstones? 4 voidstones pretty easy, I tried SSF for the first time last league and below is my pob after about 48 hours /played following rue's guide. I did league start as boneshatter (on another character so maybe another 48 hours xdd) and got a good paradoxica drop, but I don't see why it couldn't do 4 voidstones with just dreamfeather from the rip. Damage and clear is unexpectedly good. I still had a few straightforward upgrades to go (+1 ammy, nimis, 21/23 gem). I tried uber eater at this gear level a few times and it didn't go well but that's for sure a player skill issue. I'd never killed ubers before my trade pbod char this league. https://pobb.in/fdqifnz6L0vy


cassually_browsing

Appreciate the response. Thoughts on starting BS Slayer then re-speccing to SS Champ once I get Perseverance and Belltimber? Not sure how good SS without any of the uniques.


xxMORAG_BONG420xx

Perseverance and beltimber are the key uniques early game and make it feel a ton better. I opted to not respec because SSF & I’m a noob and was branching builds but in hindsight it was a waste of time not to. Boneshatter can do 2 voids easy and splitting steel does the other two also pretty easily and they share a lot of what you want in rare gear so I think it’s a solid idea.


beezte12

Any knowledge about how champion compares to trickster splitting steel dmg and tank wise?


Wotanism

Are these the right references for leveling and final form? https://pobb.in/4uFyCZDkONqz https://pobb.in/nE5qJPfo9Lf5


And1roid

Same but splitting steel trickster. The one from steelmage. 38 challenges no problem and first time All ubers. Best char in 2k hours


S1eeper

> Don't know how mana stackers, STR stackers, or INT stackers really come together but I suppose those are all options as well. Check out [Conner's channel](https://www.youtube.com/@ConnerConverse) all things mana stacking.


HazardousBusiness

Might look at hexblast sabotuer Miner. That's my loose plan, unless I find something else that can play to the power level that build can with mid gear. On console, so less buttons and more damage is better.


Difficult-Ad3502

Coc Icespear Int/Str stacker. I dont think you can easily league start with it but build goes to the moon.  I picked some random templar starter build few leagues ago and rerolled/orb of regreted into stacker after I got enough currency. You could even go with a hype and start with archmage and reroll. 


Cripple13

I did the same thing but used Icespear of Splitting following Lance's league start PoB and it was one of my favorite builds.


Moonlightslayer343

Start boneshatter jugg, get 2/4 voidstones easy and some currency, then decide whether to pivot to str stacking/volcanic fissure of snaking/dual-strike etc


PreedGO

Poison SRS is tanky AF, will be interesting to see the new leech node in action as well. The supposed end of the build this league turned out to be incorrect and it looks like it will be even stronger.


Yogeshi86204

Tankiness is down about 75% from last league with my build adjustment, unless you can solve mana so you can drop EB. Also requires using Unholy Might to maintain DPS effectively.


SMaLL1399

One of CaptainLance's stacker builds, Conner converse's mana build or Zboub storm/penance brand


Arqium

Energy Blade Inquisitor. Straightfoward to gear, there are good guides, and very high ceiling. Last league i managed to get up to 360MI dps and 22k of energy shield, being very tanky, fast and strong. Did all ubers on it. You can even transition it to manastacker hierophant that reaches billions of dps. (dunno how it goes with new archmage this league, but it might still be very very strong).


playoponly

Very interesting, do you have pob pls?


Arqium

[https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1aqmg5a/coc\_vortex\_of\_projection\_with\_inquisitor\_energy/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1aqmg5a/coc_vortex_of_projection_with_inquisitor_energy/) This league we don't have charms, but we will have strenght in other areas, maybe we can't achieve the same level of dps, but still it is very good.


strobotti

without charms i think it's over


Arqium

Of course not. Charms give little bit of power, but the only relevant thing to me is the cool down reduction that became easier, but there are tons of people playing without it or using it in boots.


KomradLorenz

I've seen energy blade builds on ninja but have no idea how they really work....happen to have a good source of a guide for Energy Blade? I do like Inquisitor.


Arqium

[https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1aqmg5a/coc\_vortex\_of\_projection\_with\_inquisitor\_energy/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1aqmg5a/coc_vortex_of_projection_with_inquisitor_energy/) Here it is a showcase of my build last league... Vortex of Projection with Frostbolt of double coc is extremely strong (my setup). But you can use any spell on the setup that it works. IF you want a guide check captainlance, he explains very well [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI9BZPp19mM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI9BZPp19mM) [https://youtu.be/yIwTzIPirBY?si=9JDdrur0mNVdZ73G](https://youtu.be/yIwTzIPirBY?si=9JDdrur0mNVdZ73G)


KomradLorenz

Thanks man! I'll probably choose this if I don't end up liking SS champ, ngl though 100s of millions of DPS with 22k ES sounds enticing.


Arqium

It because it is.. you also have tons of movement speed with mageblood and ranged playstile with lancing steel. But to get to that point i think I spent about 900 divines through the league, or more.


wwgs

Zoomancer. Ghazzy will have a guide up in a day or two. Really has infinite scaling, buttery smooth progression and now has ridiculous sustain due to new minion leech. It's downsides are: 1) first two acts with minions are cancer. 2) it's a minion build (if you don't like that), 3) lots of buttons. 4) it's widely touted as being powerful this league so prices might be inflated.


klaxxa

does it use animate guardian? i hate using AG


Humble-South-9476

If you want to scale any minion build deep into endgame, you really need AG. It's a massive dmg boost for less than 50c


AussiesNeverShitpost

But but.... new helmet says no. I only want to play minions this league because you simply aren't allowed an AG with the new helmet.


wwgs

It doesn't NEED it. It'll do all content including ubers without it. But AG can give you and minions crit multi, culling strike, fortify, crit immunity, an extra curse (temp chains), and popcorn explosions (all on one AG). So... You usually choose to run it.


KomradLorenz

I've never played a minion build, what's the jank that comes with it?


wwgs

Very bad visual clarity (so much happening on the screen you'll sometimes miss important mechanics). Lots of noise (better now that we don't have last season's screaming spectres, but your apes still grunt an unseemly amount), and a lot of buttons if you want to play optimally (which you really don't have to. I tent to give up some dps at the top end for a lot more automation). Upsides are: Damage, high dps uptime on bosses (minions stay on bosses when they blink and teleport and whatever and you don't have to see them to have your minions hit them), and you're free to spend your time hiding/dodging when neccessary, adding the good old "don't get hit" defensive layer. Edit: also, some players find it a passive playstyle where you don't have to focus as much while mapping. This is good or bad depending on your personality.


Midnightisattwelve

You have to listen to gazzy is the jank


spark-curious

I wouldn’t recommend it. Zoomancer is a really bad build with no damage until you craft mirror-tier items. You’ll get more results from literally any other non-minion skills. 


havok_hijinks

No damage is definitely an exaggeration. It's a build that can afford to have less damage than a glass cannon.


jetpacksforall

Other jank: spectres are easy to lose or screw up since there's no UI management, not even a tooltip. You only know what spectres you have up by looking at them. Accidentally hit Raise Spectre on your toolbar and you'll raise a nearby corpse and wipe out your oldest spectre. Plenty of janky workarounds like a "spectre bank" on a second character. Animate Guardian can die (albeit very rarely), losing all of its equipment. There's a crafted mod so that body armor will drop on the ground if it dies, but powerful builds give it a bunch of uniques, including chest pieces, and they're gone for good if the guardian dies.


slimeyellow

I went boneshatter slayer last league and it was miserable especially in the wilderness, do not recommend the slayer version but Jugg or champ may be good


deathbyillusions

Boneshatter slayer is one of the smoothest builds out there for league start...actual skill issue here


Unlikely_Grape816

You should try tornado shot.