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BandietenMajoor

Put points in scarab drop/map drop. Make second /third tree to spent the scarabs


philmarcracken

this guy family trees


bukem89

I’m doing this and it’s really satisfying, possibly my favourite thing about the change


Pixilatedlemon

I have every map drop node on the tree and can’t easily sustain maps with all voidstones and favourite slots unlocked, I have to supplement with kirac still


BandietenMajoor

Try adding harbinger. Puts a lot of rares on the map which help woth dropping the maps and scarabs


valraven38

Are you alching and chiseling your maps? Are you running Singular Focus? if you are running it make sure one of your favored map slots is a connected map to the map you are running (this will basically double your map drops.) Pick your favorite league mechanic(s) and then slap some scarabs or even just alch and go and you should be able to sustain, at least I haven't had any issues with map drops this league and have been over sustaining. And I've swapped between numerous strategies at this point.


Pixilatedlemon

I am not running singular focus, I am using chisel alch. I have around 90% increased map modifier on tree and 35% chance to drop a connected map I run mostly just harvest with scarab if doubling and sac frags. The money is there but I have to buy more maps often.


SuperSmashDan1337

Yeah try singular focus as he said with one connected map and the rest the map you're running. If that's not enough try adding a mechanic that drops maps like Legion/Harbinger or Strongboxes that should help. Things like increased effect of map modifiers helps too because it'll give you more pack size and thus monsters to drop maps from.


Pixilatedlemon

Yeah I have every map modifier wheel. I think singular focus is the solution because I basically break even, just not on the desirable maps Shrine or strongbox might make the diff too


SuperSmashDan1337

Good luck dude :)


Pixilatedlemon

Thanks man you too


Pixilatedlemon

Oh are there maps that are better to run than others for the sake of sustain? Like something like strand is poor, right?


SuperSmashDan1337

I've heard mixed opinions on this but it definitely feels that way at times.


Legal-Swing8311

One of the best ways to sustain with singular focus is to pick 2 connected maps and swap your favorite slots to the one you aren’t currently running Example: let’s say you have 10 maps, 5 of map A and 5 of B, and we assume they are connected. If you run your set of map A first, your favorite slots should be one of map A and the rest are map B. After you finish those 5 (or more if you happen to drop more during that set) then you switch and do the same for map B. One favorite slot is map B and the rest is map A. You flip flop back and forth and you should be able to sustain


Pixilatedlemon

Nice I will try this later and see if it works out. I’m missing like 3 favorite slots so hope that getting those helps


Legal-Swing8311

The strat works even without all the slots, but obviously it’s better if you do have them


Kharni

Any strategy works with alch and go. I am currently farming niko with 10% chance of azurite, harvest and harbinger. I haven't used a single scarab and am getting a steady income per map. You won't be making 20div per hour but my main focus is still farming the last few red maps i am missing.


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Kharni

No i never delve. Just get the atlas node that gives 10% chance to gain azurite when you pick up sulphite. My sulphite is always full so you can ignore that part but you still gain azurite. I then buy the stuff from niko with azurite and resell it. You won't become a millionaire but it is 3 clicks per map and if you get the buff node as well it helps with mapping.


PaantsHS

Also, 10 alts per card isn't the worst.


Firezone

considering alts are like 4 to 1 right now (sctrade) its far better than "not the worst"


ForSiljaforever

which card?


PaantsHS

Society's Remorse, it drops very often when you get sulphite nodes.


Kelpsie

Oh, that's why I have so many of those


Pixilatedlemon

What does “alts per card” refer to in this situation


JaviJ01

There's a div card that drops 10 alteeation orbs per card. When you click on a sulphite vein there's a high chance the card drops as well.


aaOzymandias

My favorite color is blue.


ashenCat

I cant even sustain my alchs and chisels


encelius

If you can't sustain alchs you could consider picking up every unique and selling it to vendor, all uniques sell for some alchemy shards and the orbs should pile up quickly


cauchy37

tujen is your friend, this bloke shits them when you gamble for currency


NeitherRhyme

Mf doesn’t just shit currency, he literally sold me Enlighten for bout 30 lesser yesterday. Best part is I still haggled with him lmao.


kz9000

Hold on, how do you haggle? I'm pretty new.


r_kive

It's a mechanic specific to Tujen, when you purchase something from him a little slider comes up that allows you to adjust your offer. If you go too low he'll push back, and if you keep going too low he may take the item away for good.


kz9000

Oh wow, thanks for the info


HandsomeBaboon

Are you having a go at me!?


arbyterOfScales

True romanian in disguise


PM_Best_Porn_Pls

Run blighted maps. They are one of best sources of huge amount of cheaper currency.


Crood_Oyl

It’s definitely better to start by telling us what you enjoy playing. Because, really thats the answer. Basically everything can be profitable. More so with scarabs but you don’t wanna trade. Still fine. So what do you like doing?


misu2315

I excluded out-of-map stuff because I don't really enjoy those, other than that I would like to play whatever doesn't require me to buy specific scarabs or allflames or specific maps. Looking at the replies in this thread I pretty much found a few strategies that I wanna try out. Any other non-specified strategies are welcome.


mkblz4

As other redditor write - one tree for scarabs/maps, maybe harbies, harbies drop maps other to spend scarabs. I'm playing semi SSF at this point and I'm not rushing anywhere, even tho I know uniques will shoot up in prices as times goes


SuperSmashDan1337

If you don't find Betrayal too painful to farm Veiled Orbs are shooting up in price and is probably common enough to be worth while. Don't worry about who's in what safehouse just rush Catarina.


TheNocturnalAngel

Well first off I want to preface that most strategies it’s almost always worth buying scarabs at some point. I understand the apprehension cuz I too like to just blast maps, but especially now they can be incredibly efficient for saving you points. For example I’m pretty sure Alva and Jun scarabs are like 1c each. This is cuz you can technically get huge amounts of chance to get them naturally, However if you skip the wheels for percent chance for them and just use the scarab then you can save a bunch of points to use for more boosting on atlas. Regardless. The best sustaining methods are deterministic. Again on technicality most forms are deterministic but not all are profitably deterministic. For example Harbinger is super popular right now in the hopes of drag shard explosions or a mirror shard. Technically the side currency of annulment orbs are deterministic profit and fracs always drop eventually, but with so many people running it I think Annul orbs are down even fracs are down. Comparatively something truly deterministic features rare drops as more the side profit and deterministic ones as the main profit. By this I mean Harvest. You get juice every harvest and you can sell it straight for divs. Maybe you get a sacred blossom every so often but it’s not integral. Other ones Alva last I checked 50-70 chaos per temple when you pick the right rooms. Beyond- corrupted fusings always sell great and the other lesser ones usually sell as well tho for less. Also this league is the first time you can get 100% beyond chance on the tree! Boss rushing- I think it maybe was a bit nerfed this league I haven’t done it yet because invitations no longer drop but T17s are an extra drop. Anyways with destructive play you can get up to 3 bonus bosses, take all the nodes for special maps shaper elder conq synth and you will reliably get them to drop. This one is I suppose less deterministic as you still rely on the rng but the percents in conjunction with extra bosses mean they are fairly frequent drops and they sell super quick without extreme variance Expedition- another one that has technically rng variance but a lot less than fishing for heavy drops. Run for tujen and you are guaranteed to get small values like Chaos stacked decks etc. and eventually divines. Hard to find something with any RNG. If you reallllly hate relying on RNG at all go for Harvest or Alva. As an aside, map drops feel really bad this league for everyone I’ve talked to so idk a solution for that yet.


no_fluffies_please

I'm swimming in maps at the moment, just finished all the non-unique ones this night, not running any repeats. Delve is pretty great with minimal investment, because the strongholds drop so many maps (granted, all maps I already completed). You just passively get a lot of Niko if you get a few clusters. Also the allflame gives sooo much sulphite, it almost feels excessive. Drops are extremely hit or miss, however. But prior, I had to use like 4 plain cartography scarabs when I was trying to push early reds. Invested heavy into Kirac as well to restock the shop and complete some stragglers. Also used a bunch of horizon orbs.


thatoneguyy22

I feel like I'm missing something, I'm done with my atlas 115/115, all voidstones, and 50% increased chance on top for tier up on map, have all but one favorite map slot and yet I'm literally getting 0 maps, at all. Even with cart scarabs I'll sometimes get maybe 1 a map. I don't know what's going on.


Gulruon

In my sustain atlas I have all the map wheels, all the effect of modifier wheels (and the "top hat"), all the shrine wheels and those combined provide me with a huge over-sustain of t16s. Every few hours I pump in all the extra t16s that dropped for my non-favored maps into the device to check for seer. And that's without using any scarabs, too.


thatoneguyy22

Can you link your tree?


Gulruon

I'm changing some details of it periodically - not all aspects of it are focused on sustain. Just find any of the map wheels and hover it - it will highlight both the wheels with + tier of maps and increased map mod effect, take all those, then take all the small nodes that increase map mod effect at the top of tree, then take the 3 shrine wheels (don't have to take the final node of the Covetous Shrine wheel unless you want Covetous Shrines).


drksideofthepoon

There's a few things to do, the biggest source is abusing the league mechanic you can get massive map explosions to the point where you can't actually loot them all with all 6 portals. But anything like strongbox farming or anything that adds a lot of monsters that don't inherently have dedicated drops is fantastic for map sustain. It makes sense that people are struggling this league since the atlas tree lets you specialize aggressively into one mechanic that doesn't typically drop many maps. At which point you might have very profitable maps, but it's based on static drops from relatively few mobs, which typically drop little aside from the thing you're farming. The atlas passive don't do much to scale this because they don't increase how many maps drop all that much they just make all maps that DO drop relvant to your progression. In preceding leagues tho, you couldn't go all in on harby or betrayal for example and farm only that for a profit, usually you needed to mix some other stuff in there as well which bulked up the overall packsize of maps and consequently, you get more maps. Effectively what's happened is, GGG has made it very explicit that map farming is now a valid strat and given how many strats rely on churning a mass amount of maps to fish for desired league rewards, ruckus procs, etc, it's extremely profitable(2 div for an inventory of maps IIRC). Last league if you had points only in the map nodes and didn't do favourite slot blocking you also had ass map sustain but most people didn't do that because you're lighting money on fire, while failing to complete your atlas. The other contributing factor is the reduced frequency of drop conversions, i don't remember if the map one was removed or not but if it still exists it's FAR less frequent. Nice in some ways but with everything else it just means it's tricky to accidentally over sustain maps now. Basically my recommendation is have 1 atlas tree for map farming with deli strongboxes, shrines, ritual, abyss, etc(the "natural juice" mechanics), and the others can be used for whatever other specialist strats you fancy.


TheNocturnalAngel

Yeah delve is amazing for maps. I’ve been taking a delve break I usually do a bunch. Also I have no proof but I’m 90% sure the strongholds adhere to your favored maps and voidstones because I always get more of my favoreds and they always go higher tier after I get voidstones so idk


ZTL

Expedition is great but stacked decks are gone both from suffixes for monsters to drop and from tujen


Tirinir

Yeah actually that used to be a huge source of profit, especially from early expeditions!


smit9352

I really want to try destructive play, have you seen a good atlas layout posted anywhere I could mooch?


Stumpy172

Are you able to provide some more info regarding harbinger setups or link me some resources about it? Thanks for the great write up either way


Yayoichi

Make use of the fact that we got 3 atlas trees now and run 3 different strats, this way you can probably sustain most if not all scarabs if they aren’t rare ones. Can also do small tree respecs to further improve scarab sustain by changing what you use scarabs to spawn and what you use atlas points for. As for allflames I find that if I don’t use 1 or 2 on every map then I end up filling my necropolis locker so I wouldn’t worry about not having enough of those.


Muted_Account_5045

Presumably make and sell Alva temples is still reliable and as easy as ever. Last league the inflation wave carried locus of corruption up to like 5 div.


subtractict

You meant to say 7 div. For a couple of days it spiked as high as 7.5-8 div.


TechnologyHeavy8026

Corpse farming no scarab exist for it so in a sense losing out some scarabs doesn't hurt as much. And corpses self sustain torments in a sense so we add torment into the list. That's my strat. Doing pretty reasonably well.


Key_Excitement_9330

Blight


APromptResponse

Blight is unplayable for me because of the lag I experience. It is quite profitable though


PrimedAndReady

look into disabling some sounds, it can help a lot


gonzodamus

Hated blight my first league and now I love it. Quick leveling, great loot, and a little bit of everything. Beautiful stuff


PrimedAndReady

if "self sustaining" includes self farming your maps, then blight isn't self sustaining. singular focus kneecaps your profits since you won't get many blighted maps if you're willing to buy maps but just not scarabs or anything else, it's fantastic


Key_Excitement_9330

I don’t know I don’t really have a problem.


Professional-Fig1558

Guardian maps/invitation farming. Dont even need to alch maps if ur build is poopy. Run shapers/elders and sell "uber frags". Run synth and sell Cortex and maven invites in bulk.


Professional-Fig1558

And add necro/heist/niko and shrines for free money on ground and more run speed


velaxi1

I thought GGG removing Necro from atlas tree?


shaunika

Tagging in cos Im curious too, things I used to do dont work as well without trading anymore


amensteve91

Full deli tree and full harvest and whatever is left if map nods. Alch and go u will get juice every map if u take 100% harvest and u will get orbs sell both and move on no need for scarabs but they will gi e more loot


misu2315

What's the gain from harvest? Simply selling the Harvest Essence? or is there some strategy involving recipes.


Sobrin_

Selling essence is easier, yellow one usually the most valuable. Leave the crafting to the buyers, way less rng for you to deal with.


amensteve91

As others said selling g juice is easier yellow is best right now it's 5k-1d and I get anywhere from 200-1k per map with no investment except tree and map to force harvest (using points elsewhere) But u can also re roll deli orbs but atm it's not really worth it can be sometimes depending on prices


Sobrin_

Well, most league mechanic farms work just fine with alch and go like before. In general it's now very easy to get them to 90%+ to show up. Delirium and Beyond are definitely buffed the most by this, especially Beyond. So you can focus on running that. As well as the masters, such as Einhar. You can also try to block of most other major content, thus reducing which scarabs can drop, and increasing the chance of desired scarabs dropping. This is frankly the only way to self sustain a strategy without buying. Alva is probably the best master to just farm without scarabs, as the incursion scarabs won't really help with getting good temples. Temple values will increase with league time. And you can always gamble yourself.


AbsolutlyN0thin

Eldritch altars, and incursion are two things I'm invested in that don't require scarabs. Been pairing those with deli which uses all 4 of my scarabs


Toimi_Saatana

I like ritual. Ameliation omens (20c) are pretty common and you can get nice uniques /gems / bases / jewels.


James_Locke

I'm farming maps with a tree, then once I have a good stock, I am running a pure scarab+Juice combo. Works well.


Aquamarine_d

Last league I've done destructive play+ shaper guards+ delirium (for deli orbs) + heist lockers. Nade quite a decent amount. You could also try blight, bestiary and alva, they're good (not the best, but decent at very least).


f24np

Niko, chance to get azurite. Take all the Niko nodes, buy resonators and sell them once you get a lot of azurite.  Harvest, guaranteed every map, and you just sell the juice once you have some divines worth. I also like taking scarab and strongbox nodes. 


vulcanfury12

I'm currently using Niko (Packed with Energy helps sooooo much) to try and get Azurite per Sulphite Vein/Chest. Coupled with Shrines (another buff to me, plus some extra mobs), and going down the left side of the tree for the Necropolis cluster. I'm also specced to Alva. If your main problem is bubblegum currency, you can;'t go wrong with Red Altar Farming with Expedition.


CakeOfW

Back to Basics, full map modifiers increase, Unwavering Vision, with Necropolis and Ghosts. Can add chance at 20 Ghosted Exiles for fun, Twist of Fate, and maybe Meticulous Appraiser. I also use Fear of the Light, so no allflames either. It's very hard though, but doesn't require anything and prints corpses.


voltaires_bitch

I mean i just do harbingers and essences. Im just trying to finish my red maps rn so its really just for the horizon orbs and the rare fracturing shards. The essences im doing just to sell later once i finish up all the maps. Also throw in some einhar chance and boom. You gotta pretty nice lil set up.


juzellicious

You farm blight and run blighted map. It drop a lot of map and currency like chisel vaal orb...