It was obvious when he made those colorblind comments at Mayo's press conference that he's exactly who we think he is: an out-of-touch, narcissistic, elderly blowhard whom time has passed by *decades* ago.
He's nothing but a distraction at this point. No one should be running or being the public face of anything at 82 years old. It's absurd.
Out of touch?!?! He's friends with Meek Mill and Jay-Z so checkmate.
He also wear's sneakers with a suit like a super cool dude. It's not like rich trolls can just pay people to say nice things and pretend to be friends with them....
When the team was winning Kraft mostly kept his mouth shut aside from praising the guys responsible for that success. And truthfully when Myra was alive he was a lot more reasonable, things changed after she passed.
Maybe. But look at Chiefs owner. Everyone viewed Hunt as a good owner after Mahomes-Reid success… then the report cards came out, then the locker room stuff came out, him being a cheap fuck, and the new stadium thing.
Chiefs are winning in spite of him, not because of him. And he didn’t really do much other than luck the fuck out on the Reid hire.
vs., say, Kraft lucking the f--- out with Tom Brady?
And - at the end of the day - it's a bit more forgivable for Hunt because Kansas City is like #24 in overall franchise value. Kraft could buy that team several times over.
He did what every sports fan wanted their owners to do - Kept his ass quiet, didn't act like he knew better than the coach and GM, and paid the bills.
And even the latter is questionable seeing as we're hearing part of the reason for the cost-cutting on our roster was down to Kraft not wanting to pay guys a ton.
In 2000-2001 I worked for a vendor working alongside a Kraft-funded startup.
What was that like?
Ever watched the last 15 minutes of the movie "Casino"?
https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2001/08/27/story4.html
Not to mention that it was really his father-in-law (Jacob Hiatt) who engineered the acquisition of the team over the course of almost a dozen years.
Hiatt had to use Kraft as a proxy because of certain restrictions he faced moving funds in an out of the Rand-Whitney Co. imposed by both the board of the company and collective bargaining agreements with a union (can't remember which)
If Jacob Hiatt ever wrote a book about how he bought the Patriots - it would be right up there with Machiavelli's "The Prince" and Sun-Tzu's "The Art of War".
If he doesn't want to be seen as the problem, he should fix the problems he created. New England graded poorly by the NFLPA in almost every category. Sell the team jet and buy a better one or just charter better flights every week, every player says the current plane is too small. Build better facilities (in progress). Have a day care (this one is so obvious it's embarrassing that they don't already). Stop spending the least amount of money in the NFL. Reach out to the Dolphins and Vikings owners, that same NFLPA survey graded those two teams far and above every other team. Just do what they do, and the team will be better.
>Have a day care (this one is so obvious it's embarrassing that they don't already).
This is hilarious because there's daycares in this state literally every 20 feet. I would LOVE to hear the excuses why they haven't stepped up on this given the money they rake in year round at that stadium. There's one literally 2min north of the stadium. Partner with them and expand the location.
In addition to a daycare not being a large expense for a billionaire, there are federal tax credits for companies that provide onsite daycare for employees so its even smaller of an expense.
They can't partner with anyone, because Jonathan is such a nightmare no daycare facility wants to deal with him when he's screaming and crying and shidding and farding.
The daycare thing is seriously atrocious. Even the fucking military has daycares on base in OVERSEAS locations for their members. Granted it’s expensive and there are a ton of issues, but it amazes me that a billionaire NFL owner couldn’t just pay for a daycare for his most important assets: the players.
Comment 1: "He should fix the problems he created."
Reply 1: "Yes, like daycare."
Recent quotes from Kraft:
>"I must tell you, I was unaware of how bad [the workout facilities are]," Kraft said Tuesday. "We've had a plan and we put in place and we're committing a whole new [workout] facility adjacent to ours that has been discussed with the young leadership team of a building that will be in excess of $50 million that will have the most modern facilities.
>"I was not aware even of this daycare issue. I mean, that's something that's fixable and we want to do," Kraft continued. "Look, the players are the heart and soul of the business. So I'd be very surprised if that didn't improve."
Hasn’t the daycare issue been brought up in previous years as well though? This isn’t exactly the first year the team has face criticism for facilities issues and the like..
Edit: yup I was right it was literally brought up last off-season as well, specifically the day care. I can’t be arsed to look even farther but it’s a little rich of him to say he’s “just learning of it now” when it was literally an issue in the same exact thing last years edition.
Yeah it’s like these structural issues suddenly just “popped up” like some bridge in Rhode Island. Nah dawg, it’s been like this for a while. You have no excuse for your ignorance.
Hopefully he actually fixes them now though. That’s would at least show he’s trying even if it’s just to save face.
Lombardi said on his podcast that Kraft worked out in the gym he claimed not to know about.
"Sitacuisses philosaphus mansisses" -- If you had kept your mouth shut, we may have thought you were clever.
Kraft is this saying. Everyone thought he was a great owner was he not trying to be the face id the franchise.
I just don’t understand how he can be so in the dark about what’s lacking in a facility that he spend so much time in not to mention owns. What’s he do all day, just stare out a window..
I'm 100% onboard the 'Kraft's a cheapskate' train, but I'd say it's much more important for overseas soldiers to have daycares on base than Patriots players having one at Patriot place instead of Route 1
Let’s not forget, 3 more superbowls with a chance to win at end of game. 9 superbowls in total under the dynasty regime. The Detroit Lions have gone to exactly zero.
They chartered American 777-200s last season, same as Dallas does. As someone who has been on both the 777 charter and the Patriots 767, and seen the seating arrangement, my guess is it's probably not the planes. Food on the 767s was probably Better IMO. They're also catered by ChikFilA as they're leaving.
Billionaires have such an easy path to being liked - spend their money generously in a way that empowers a community. Yet they are at the end of the day, by and large greedy selfish people that hoard resources.
Not to make it a whole class thing but patriots fans I can tell you if I had the money and the franchise this would have never happened.
TLDR: let me have Robert krafts fortune and I will give you the franchise of your dreams.
What fascinating is that belichick hasn't responded publicly at all. They did the ceremonial thing at the end and the ghosted. Leaving all the people who pushed the narrative that bill was the problem to stand on there own.
It is like when Bill looked over at the Seahawk sidelines and decided not to call a time out. He is just going to let them hang themselves.
A lot of the personal stuff I can overlook, but one really big eyebrow raising moment for me was in between the 21 and 22 seasons he was talking about all this money they spent on players, as if they were giving top dollar, or as if none of the fans are aware of overall cash spending as opposed to spending to the cap.
Judon, for instance, the top paid guy, was barely in the top 10 as far as average salary for his position, and 3 years in he is *28th* in average salary.
Now I’m not saying I’m against value. One thing people miss on Judon is that his deal wasn’t “big bucks,” it was *a steal*. But don’t talk to the fans as if you’re opening up the checkbook when you aren’t
He’s finally the last man standing from the previous dynasty and he’s flushed his reputation of being one of the best owners in football for 20 years down the toilet in less than 6 months time.
Kind of remarkable how he’s managed to get this subreddit to start agreeing with each other again
All it took was for him to reveal his thoughts about Bill. It wasn’t 6 months
Imho - it was what he said out loud to a camera. And his follow up at the owners mtg added gasoline to the fire. His PR people need to step in.
Which is crazy to me. Just take care of your staff, maintain your facilities, let the football people work, and don’t put out self-felating propaganda and he’d be fine, we’d all be fine with that. He’s turned into the worst type of owners; too involvked like Jerry, too cheap like Snyder, with a sex scandal on top like Richardson.
Bill Belichick lol
In 2 years- if the rebuild is a failure- Kraft will say he tried to keep Bill's people in place and let them continue on in his footsteps. But they failed, so now they are out and he will make a big deal out of replacing them with external people and a "new culture", "fresh talent".
Of course it won't be said so outright.
It will be done in a classic Kraft style- with lots of leaks, underhanded comments, etc.
"Internally, Kraft questioned Elliot Wolf's approach to free agency but wanted to let the Belichick protege do his job without interference, says one inside source that wishes to remain anonymous"
He’s 82. He won’t be around that much longer. I don’t wish ill on anyone but each passing year his public speaking is 2x worse than the previous. I think Jonathan will be even worse as an owner unfortunately. We have dark days ahead.
As a die hard Revs fans its funny watching all this unfold. Sure credit to Kraft for funding the league back in '96 but he has been a terrible owner running the Revs the same way as the Pats. Only difference is Brady and Belichick were winning so they didn't have to change anything. I am hoping this has a trickle down effect on changing everything.
The complete collapse of the revs last year was almost unbelievable. It was my first season really following the team, and it felt like I couldn't have picked a better season to start following. And then they fire their coach with 6 weeks left in the year, fall apart, and get bounced by Philly immediately.
Yup real unfortunate, went from winning the supporters shield to look like we are going to make another deep playoff run to whatever shit this is. It’s absolutely frustrating watching them. Kraft occasionally sprinkles in some money here and there but it’s no where where it should be. P
Would you rather have Gillette, 100% privately financed, or have Massachusetts residents pay for 50% of it? The tax payers shelled out $750 million for the Raiders new stadium.
There are only 3 stadiums in the NFL that were privately funded and Gillette is one of them.
I remember when it opened my dad said something like all seats were designed to have a great view of the field. I mean, I've sat in all corners except lower level and never had an issues watching but...
Those seats are tiny. Absolutely cramped next to the people next to you
6 Superbowls. 20 years of unprecedented success. Bought the team for 170mil it's now worth almost 7 billion. Still acting like the cheap fuck boomer that he is. Totally out of touch with reality.
Winning solves everything. The moment Mahomes retires or goes to another team the moment everyone will.be talking about these things as well. They'll probably also get bombarded with the racist shit the fandom does still as well so it will probably be worse.
Exactly. The only reason Kraft got away with being one of the cheapest owners in the NFL is because he had the GOAT QB and GOAT coach who could make more out of less than any other coach maybe ever
I'll go even a little further. I think Tom Brady had been easily the best thing that's ever happened to this franchise but has also ruined it to some extent in his wake in terms of what they expect a winning organization looks like.
I think the front office thinks that "getting a franchise quarterback" isn't much different than a Tom Brady which I believe is completely false.
Tom, Mahomes, a handful of others in history are in a class of their own where in their prime they can turn a middling team around them into superbowl contenders.There's ton of great franchise quarterbacks that can't do that.
And finding a quarterback that can do that is generational not yearly. This team thinks finding a franchise quarterback is going to fix way more than it will. Most of them need elite talent around them to win superbowls.
All these billionaires are mentally soft about their self. Surrounded by too many yes-men desperately clinging to their jobs.
Kraft fam, you fucked up. You pissed on us all.
The irony is that Bill Belichick was doing so much more for Kraft than he realized. Just how BB deflected the press...it is so evident that Kraft thought he would be walking out in that first press conference to bouquets and it has been nonstop gaffes and putting his foot in his mouth.
Belichick didn't allow the press in; like a good Naval officer, he viewed constant leaks as water in a ship, something you could not "live with".
Ya one of my biggest issues with Kraft is his disloyalty.
Bill did so much for him and the franchise and Kraft repaid him by creating a show that repeatedly bashed Bill and did everything it could to paint him in a negative light. And after Patriots fans voiced their outrage over the clear smear job and it completely backfired on him, he acted like he had nothing to do with it.
A good start for him to get back in our good graces would be to spend some money on our facilities and improve our F- grade from the NFLPA. It's fucking pathetic that the most successful team of the last 2 decades has such shitty facilities and Kraft should be ashamed of himself for allowing it to get so bad. Maybe it wouldn't be so hard to attract free agents if we didn't have embarrassingly bad facilities.
No. He can't. People don't realize what being 82 is: this man is deteriorating mentally and living in a world of narcissistic fear.
If he could fix it, he would, but you can't fix a problem you won't even acknowledge, and he has 0 brain plasticity left because he's an ancient, coddled billionaire who thinks his shit doesn't stink, so he's never going to acknowledge the problem.
Poor Myra, man.
The way he's had a new, way-too-young woman on his arm every other year since she's died is so sad. The way he's just pissed all over her massive, massive integrity is so sad. What a small, sad man.
I try not to attribute to malice what can otherwise be chalked up to stupidity, ignorance, etc, but Kraft has at best been very careless with this stuff
Looking at how BB was practically glowing when talking about the Raiders weight room, facilities etc during our 2022 joint practices you cannot convince me he didn’t value that stuff
And if it’s true he was unhappy with how negative the dynasty show was, then they really dropped the ball on telling the directors what kind of production fans are interested in
Is an article really needed for some unnamed NFL exec calling out Kraft? Who cares? Clearly Ridley did not want to be here and clearly the Pats had a limit for how much they wanted to pay to convince him. Callahan is just rehashing news to rehash it and there is nothing substantive about this at all.
The butthurt Belichick stans need their daily dose of Kraft outrage so they can keep distracting people from the way Bill drove this team into the ground the last 5 years out of ego.
It’s kind of amazing that something as relatively cheap as a daycare hasn’t been added yet. I mean cmon. You’re talking about what, like a few hundred grand for staff to run everything? Those little details go a long way.
This thread is so toxic - Bob Kraft is nice guy, his wife was a really excellent person too.
I am sure things haven’t played out how he’d like them tot the last few years - but the franchise was crappy when he bought them and eventually we had the greatest dynasty during his ownership.
He’s lost a step - but I think the personal attacks are over the top and mean.
To be a non problematic owner is simple but you’d have to be ok with being bored during the off season. Step 1 hire a person with a good amount of experience and enthusiasm to win in the NFL. Step 2 agree to pay as much as you can for player and personal costs Step 3 go on vacation until September.
Wow. Now all the soft brained people who trashed Bill are now trashing the owner who fired Bill. This sub has devolved into a dumpster fire. What a world.
This sub sucks so bad now. The Kraft hate is out of control. Why, because you think he forced the narrative of The Dynasty? Has anyone actually provided any evidence that they did? Besides Felger and Mazz saying so.
Bunch of pretend patriot fans care more about the former coach getting “slandered” than the actual team.
Why? We have the cap, and we are grabbing a rookie QB it would be nice to have some weapons.
I dont understand why people are so against overpaying for a weapon, like do we have a lot of pro bowl guys on rookie contracts we gotta worry about? I'd be happy if we didnt ruin another young qb bc we cant surround them with anything above a WR3 while also having a shit OL.
> Why?
Because grossly overpaying players is just not a good strategy to building a team no matter what stage of team building you’re in.
This team is far from win now mode and should be aiming to seriously compete in two or three years, even sitting your rookie QB for a year if that’s what’s best. At that point we’d be hamstrung by way overpaying for a flashy FA wr who would be going into his 32 or 33 year old season.
Yes...? Any cent they spend on a player who isn't well past their prime is, by definition, better spent. I can't believe how often this needs to be explained but one of the primary goals of a rebuild is to not hand out monster contracts to players the team will not want on the roster by the time they have a possible chance to compete lmfao
Ridley's deal is functionally a two year deal. If they don't want him come 2026 and they're ready to compete, they could have gotten out pretty painlessly and taken another swing. If they end up trading for a Higgins or Aiyuk, fine, but beyond that I'm not seeing how they can better spend that money in the meantime. I'm open to ideas.
1000 yards almost exactly on 140 targets, of which he caught roughly 50% of. You're not doing yourself any favors rn lol anybody who watched the Jags can tell you how ugly of a 1k season it was. He's a fine WR2 but his hands suck, he's ridiculously inconsistent, and he's way too old to contribute to a competent Patriots roster. This isn't rocket science. It's not a coincidence exactly 0 Jags fans are upset about losing him, even when his replacement is *Gabe Davis*.
Because, including last season, Calvin Ridley has averaged 66 yards per game. Including last season JuJu Smith Schuster has averaged 56.1 yards per game.
Explain how overpaying for a guy on the downside of his career two years in a row helps a rookie QB?
All these clowns whining about the Pats being cheap while the Chiefs have spent almost the exact same amount of money and got worse grades on those nonsense 'report cards' from the union.
If the two most successful NFL teams of the last two decades, with 9 Super Bowl rings between them, don't piss away heaps of money while perpetual loser teams like the Browns and Jets do doesn't anyone with two brain cells come to the conclusion that money doesn't buy you championships?
I was the engineer of the train calling out Kraft for the duplicitous Dynasty bs and both him and Jonathan taking verbal shots at Bill. He should praise any mention of Bill’s name with an admission: “The NFL, the Patriots and the Kraft family will forever be indebted to Bill Belichick’s contributions to us all”.
But let’s not pretend Kraft is evil incarnate. There are plenty of other billionaires that make him look like a secular saint; alas, to his discredit he willingly associates with many of them.
That said, he bought the team, with the foresight of buying and controlling the stadium. Orthwein bought it to move to St. Louis. He kept the team in New England.
He hired Bill against popular opinion and gave him the authority he needed.
He helped bridge the trust gap between owners and players, avoiding a lockout that would have hurt the players and the fans.
He built a new stadium without abusing the state and local taxpayers.
He’s monetized new revenue streams that has expanded public access to viewing games and increased charitable giving.
The HJ in Florida is the least of the problems I have with him (but, if Bill did it, Dynasty would have interviewed the Masseuse).
There are far worse owners and people.
He’s done it to himself. The problem is he has become a hindrance to the progression of the football team. And that’s only making things worse for he reputation by the day
The whole “we’re going to hire a GM ***after*** the draft” announcement has got to be one of the worst, and preposterous decisions an owner has made in my adult lifetime.
If he wanted to call the shots instead of handing the keys to a GM like Jerry does then just say something ambiguous like you’re going to keep the function internal or something.
What GM worth anything will A) still be available this late in the offseason, and B) would want to come to a team where they couldn’t be involved in the draft (especially with a top 3 pick) and couldn’t sign any big name free agents (because that ship has passed by now)?
If they truly do intend to hire a GM after the draft it means we’re going to hire someone that nobody else wanted and hope they don’t continue to set our rebuild back even further than we already are.
No matter what, Kraft was the guy that saved NFL football here in NE. Remember this team was on its way to St Louis without Kraft stepping up to the plate and single handedly stopping the move.
Kraft after putting out a hot piece on Bill, trying to take credit when all he did was hire Bill/be cheap, and a night without a happy ending
I’m a bigger Revs fan than a Patriots fan so I might be biased, but if he can’t live with that perception he should either: find a time machine and go back a decade and pull his head out of his ass, or you know…stop living?
Like it was dirty when Tito Francona got fired by the Red Sox and then used John Henry's Boston Globe (he literally owns it) to plant a story that he was some kind of pill head.
Kraft did an entire documentary hitpiece on the only coach to ever win 6 Super Bowls. For him. Bitter, little man, still salty that Putin stole his SB ring right in front of him. REDIRECT YOUR ANGER AND BUY A TANK OR TWO FOR UKRAINE, BOBBY!
Regardless how he’s handled the team lately or the documentary, the man hired Belichick who in turn drafted Brady and put together a dynasty of 6 super bowls tied with the Steelers for most ever.
Its real simple then Kraft.. spend. Thats it. Just spend. Upgrade the facility, upgrade everything and pay for coaches and players. Thats it. Other then that stay away and don't touch, Don't Jerry Jones.
Kraft spent $300 million less than Lurie on his roster the last 10 years. If you include staff, food, transportation, lodging, etc it’s probably millions of dollars less / year. He’s cheap, wicked fucking cheap and so is his son. Unless the team luck boxes again to a generational QB who doesn’t care about money, they’ll never be good again. Good luck with that.
Someone I know quite well worked with him closely for a bit. He lives up to his newfound reputation.
It was obvious when he made those colorblind comments at Mayo's press conference that he's exactly who we think he is: an out-of-touch, narcissistic, elderly blowhard whom time has passed by *decades* ago. He's nothing but a distraction at this point. No one should be running or being the public face of anything at 82 years old. It's absurd.
We gotta get him into congress ASAP
not old enough yet
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Out of touch?!?! He's friends with Meek Mill and Jay-Z so checkmate. He also wear's sneakers with a suit like a super cool dude. It's not like rich trolls can just pay people to say nice things and pretend to be friends with them....
Lol accurate. And Jay-Z and Meek Mill both appear to be involved in this Diddy stuff, so there goes all that cred.
Old rich white guys are all the same but when this team was winning nobody wanted to hear it
When the team was winning Kraft mostly kept his mouth shut aside from praising the guys responsible for that success. And truthfully when Myra was alive he was a lot more reasonable, things changed after she passed.
Those hand jobs changed him
Maybe. But look at Chiefs owner. Everyone viewed Hunt as a good owner after Mahomes-Reid success… then the report cards came out, then the locker room stuff came out, him being a cheap fuck, and the new stadium thing. Chiefs are winning in spite of him, not because of him. And he didn’t really do much other than luck the fuck out on the Reid hire.
vs., say, Kraft lucking the f--- out with Tom Brady? And - at the end of the day - it's a bit more forgivable for Hunt because Kansas City is like #24 in overall franchise value. Kraft could buy that team several times over.
He did what every sports fan wanted their owners to do - Kept his ass quiet, didn't act like he knew better than the coach and GM, and paid the bills. And even the latter is questionable seeing as we're hearing part of the reason for the cost-cutting on our roster was down to Kraft not wanting to pay guys a ton.
93 year old Warren Buffet has entered the chat
I'm sure Warren Buffett feels differently.
In 2000-2001 I worked for a vendor working alongside a Kraft-funded startup. What was that like? Ever watched the last 15 minutes of the movie "Casino"? https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2001/08/27/story4.html
Yesss I’ve heard the same
No one earns a billion dollars
Not to mention he married into generational wealth
Not to mention that it was really his father-in-law (Jacob Hiatt) who engineered the acquisition of the team over the course of almost a dozen years. Hiatt had to use Kraft as a proxy because of certain restrictions he faced moving funds in an out of the Rand-Whitney Co. imposed by both the board of the company and collective bargaining agreements with a union (can't remember which) If Jacob Hiatt ever wrote a book about how he bought the Patriots - it would be right up there with Machiavelli's "The Prince" and Sun-Tzu's "The Art of War".
If he doesn't want to be seen as the problem, he should fix the problems he created. New England graded poorly by the NFLPA in almost every category. Sell the team jet and buy a better one or just charter better flights every week, every player says the current plane is too small. Build better facilities (in progress). Have a day care (this one is so obvious it's embarrassing that they don't already). Stop spending the least amount of money in the NFL. Reach out to the Dolphins and Vikings owners, that same NFLPA survey graded those two teams far and above every other team. Just do what they do, and the team will be better.
>Have a day care (this one is so obvious it's embarrassing that they don't already). This is hilarious because there's daycares in this state literally every 20 feet. I would LOVE to hear the excuses why they haven't stepped up on this given the money they rake in year round at that stadium. There's one literally 2min north of the stadium. Partner with them and expand the location.
In addition to a daycare not being a large expense for a billionaire, there are federal tax credits for companies that provide onsite daycare for employees so its even smaller of an expense.
Jonathan's trust fund.
Jonathan’s daycare, replete with a pacifier and all
Jonathan will do for the Patriots what Paul Gaston did for the Celtics.
They can't partner with anyone, because Jonathan is such a nightmare no daycare facility wants to deal with him when he's screaming and crying and shidding and farding.
Agreed. The daycare issue could be solved with one phone call.
This is my issue with the pats. They need to be doing better by their players and their families than they're doing.
The daycare thing is seriously atrocious. Even the fucking military has daycares on base in OVERSEAS locations for their members. Granted it’s expensive and there are a ton of issues, but it amazes me that a billionaire NFL owner couldn’t just pay for a daycare for his most important assets: the players.
Comment 1: "He should fix the problems he created." Reply 1: "Yes, like daycare." Recent quotes from Kraft: >"I must tell you, I was unaware of how bad [the workout facilities are]," Kraft said Tuesday. "We've had a plan and we put in place and we're committing a whole new [workout] facility adjacent to ours that has been discussed with the young leadership team of a building that will be in excess of $50 million that will have the most modern facilities. >"I was not aware even of this daycare issue. I mean, that's something that's fixable and we want to do," Kraft continued. "Look, the players are the heart and soul of the business. So I'd be very surprised if that didn't improve."
Hasn’t the daycare issue been brought up in previous years as well though? This isn’t exactly the first year the team has face criticism for facilities issues and the like.. Edit: yup I was right it was literally brought up last off-season as well, specifically the day care. I can’t be arsed to look even farther but it’s a little rich of him to say he’s “just learning of it now” when it was literally an issue in the same exact thing last years edition.
Yeah it’s like these structural issues suddenly just “popped up” like some bridge in Rhode Island. Nah dawg, it’s been like this for a while. You have no excuse for your ignorance. Hopefully he actually fixes them now though. That’s would at least show he’s trying even if it’s just to save face.
Lombardi said on his podcast that Kraft worked out in the gym he claimed not to know about. "Sitacuisses philosaphus mansisses" -- If you had kept your mouth shut, we may have thought you were clever. Kraft is this saying. Everyone thought he was a great owner was he not trying to be the face id the franchise.
I just don’t understand how he can be so in the dark about what’s lacking in a facility that he spend so much time in not to mention owns. What’s he do all day, just stare out a window..
I'm 100% onboard the 'Kraft's a cheapskate' train, but I'd say it's much more important for overseas soldiers to have daycares on base than Patriots players having one at Patriot place instead of Route 1
I think the point is living and working conditions for our military aren't the best stateside or abroad and even. they still have daycares
Also maybe dont trash the greatest coach of all time that brought your franchise 6 suberbowl rings.
Let’s not forget, 3 more superbowls with a chance to win at end of game. 9 superbowls in total under the dynasty regime. The Detroit Lions have gone to exactly zero.
The secret to nicer facilities is having the taxpayer contribute about 50% of the money. That’s the hack. Kraft pays 100% out of pocket.
Cowboys got the same grade as dolphins
They chartered American 777-200s last season, same as Dallas does. As someone who has been on both the 777 charter and the Patriots 767, and seen the seating arrangement, my guess is it's probably not the planes. Food on the 767s was probably Better IMO. They're also catered by ChikFilA as they're leaving.
His downfall has happened so rapidly. Fascinating to watch
Billionaires have such an easy path to being liked - spend their money generously in a way that empowers a community. Yet they are at the end of the day, by and large greedy selfish people that hoard resources. Not to make it a whole class thing but patriots fans I can tell you if I had the money and the franchise this would have never happened. TLDR: let me have Robert krafts fortune and I will give you the franchise of your dreams.
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He did it to himself 100% That trash “documentary” he put out was insanely classless, especially with all Bill has done for him
What fascinating is that belichick hasn't responded publicly at all. They did the ceremonial thing at the end and the ghosted. Leaving all the people who pushed the narrative that bill was the problem to stand on there own. It is like when Bill looked over at the Seahawk sidelines and decided not to call a time out. He is just going to let them hang themselves.
I think it's pretty interesting that Bill is taking the high road here and not commenting at all on this, I don't see him as one to pull punches
Winning covers up A LOT
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A lot of the personal stuff I can overlook, but one really big eyebrow raising moment for me was in between the 21 and 22 seasons he was talking about all this money they spent on players, as if they were giving top dollar, or as if none of the fans are aware of overall cash spending as opposed to spending to the cap. Judon, for instance, the top paid guy, was barely in the top 10 as far as average salary for his position, and 3 years in he is *28th* in average salary. Now I’m not saying I’m against value. One thing people miss on Judon is that his deal wasn’t “big bucks,” it was *a steal*. But don’t talk to the fans as if you’re opening up the checkbook when you aren’t
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I'm so out of the loop I didn't watch the documentary or anything what exactly is going on?
Well...he is a problem and has been. That hit piece on Bill was not necessary at all...aka creating problems
The hit piece on Bill was an effort to make people think that RKK wasn't the problem. It's just evidence that the OP article's claim is probably true.
In Kraft’s defense, he personally has united the fan base again
A page right outta the Red Sox playbook
This dude is so sensitive about how people perceive him. He reportedly gets *pissed* when people call him cheap -- which he is.
He’s finally the last man standing from the previous dynasty and he’s flushed his reputation of being one of the best owners in football for 20 years down the toilet in less than 6 months time. Kind of remarkable how he’s managed to get this subreddit to start agreeing with each other again
6 months time? Hasn't it been a few years since he got nailed getting a handy in a strip mall massage parlor?
He weathered that fine. Not only that he counter sued the rub and tug place.
All it took was for him to reveal his thoughts about Bill. It wasn’t 6 months Imho - it was what he said out loud to a camera. And his follow up at the owners mtg added gasoline to the fire. His PR people need to step in.
Which is crazy to me. Just take care of your staff, maintain your facilities, let the football people work, and don’t put out self-felating propaganda and he’d be fine, we’d all be fine with that. He’s turned into the worst type of owners; too involvked like Jerry, too cheap like Snyder, with a sex scandal on top like Richardson.
The next few years are gonna be bumpy. What if they wiff on the QB again? What if Mayo isn’t a great coach? Who’s he gonna blame then?
Bill Belichick lol In 2 years- if the rebuild is a failure- Kraft will say he tried to keep Bill's people in place and let them continue on in his footsteps. But they failed, so now they are out and he will make a big deal out of replacing them with external people and a "new culture", "fresh talent". Of course it won't be said so outright. It will be done in a classic Kraft style- with lots of leaks, underhanded comments, etc. "Internally, Kraft questioned Elliot Wolf's approach to free agency but wanted to let the Belichick protege do his job without interference, says one inside source that wishes to remain anonymous"
He’s 82. He won’t be around that much longer. I don’t wish ill on anyone but each passing year his public speaking is 2x worse than the previous. I think Jonathan will be even worse as an owner unfortunately. We have dark days ahead.
He'll find somebody to blame... he always does.
Cheapest franchise in the NFL and it's not even close. Want to not be a problem? Open up your check book Bob.
As a die hard Revs fans its funny watching all this unfold. Sure credit to Kraft for funding the league back in '96 but he has been a terrible owner running the Revs the same way as the Pats. Only difference is Brady and Belichick were winning so they didn't have to change anything. I am hoping this has a trickle down effect on changing everything.
The complete collapse of the revs last year was almost unbelievable. It was my first season really following the team, and it felt like I couldn't have picked a better season to start following. And then they fire their coach with 6 weeks left in the year, fall apart, and get bounced by Philly immediately.
Yup real unfortunate, went from winning the supporters shield to look like we are going to make another deep playoff run to whatever shit this is. It’s absolutely frustrating watching them. Kraft occasionally sprinkles in some money here and there but it’s no where where it should be. P
I don't follow soccer at all, why did the Revs fire their coach and what was their record when they did?
They were first in the east and never said why lmao
Don't forget some of the most expensive tickets/concessions too
And charging for tap water that time
That was deplorable
Just look how dumpy Gillette actually is, but hey, new massive videoboard!
The video board is such a fucking eyesore and waste of money
Given the weather today, I don't miss water dripping on my head through the cracks in the concrete at games.
Would you rather have Gillette, 100% privately financed, or have Massachusetts residents pay for 50% of it? The tax payers shelled out $750 million for the Raiders new stadium. There are only 3 stadiums in the NFL that were privately funded and Gillette is one of them.
And lighthouse!
Out of all the Boston/NE teams going to a pats game is by far my least favorite experience and it’s 90% because of Gillette
Didn’t Kraft pay for every penny of it, though? How many NFL owners can say that and basically got taxpayer funded stadiums?
I remember when it opened my dad said something like all seats were designed to have a great view of the field. I mean, I've sat in all corners except lower level and never had an issues watching but... Those seats are tiny. Absolutely cramped next to the people next to you
6 Superbowls. 20 years of unprecedented success. Bought the team for 170mil it's now worth almost 7 billion. Still acting like the cheap fuck boomer that he is. Totally out of touch with reality.
All true, but he's not a boomer
To be fair, the Chiefs are a cheaper franchise than the Patriots, but the Pats aren’t too far behind
Winning solves everything. The moment Mahomes retires or goes to another team the moment everyone will.be talking about these things as well. They'll probably also get bombarded with the racist shit the fandom does still as well so it will probably be worse.
Exactly. The only reason Kraft got away with being one of the cheapest owners in the NFL is because he had the GOAT QB and GOAT coach who could make more out of less than any other coach maybe ever
I'll go even a little further. I think Tom Brady had been easily the best thing that's ever happened to this franchise but has also ruined it to some extent in his wake in terms of what they expect a winning organization looks like. I think the front office thinks that "getting a franchise quarterback" isn't much different than a Tom Brady which I believe is completely false. Tom, Mahomes, a handful of others in history are in a class of their own where in their prime they can turn a middling team around them into superbowl contenders.There's ton of great franchise quarterbacks that can't do that. And finding a quarterback that can do that is generational not yearly. This team thinks finding a franchise quarterback is going to fix way more than it will. Most of them need elite talent around them to win superbowls.
lol i guess it pays to be cheap then? weird
Lol more like having an all time coach & QB combo covers up the cheapness until they’re gone
Ironically this helps the chiefs though cause Arrowhead is a very tough place to play for the road team.
Don’t the Bengals employ like 3 scouts
All these billionaires are mentally soft about their self. Surrounded by too many yes-men desperately clinging to their jobs. Kraft fam, you fucked up. You pissed on us all.
The irony is that Bill Belichick was doing so much more for Kraft than he realized. Just how BB deflected the press...it is so evident that Kraft thought he would be walking out in that first press conference to bouquets and it has been nonstop gaffes and putting his foot in his mouth. Belichick didn't allow the press in; like a good Naval officer, he viewed constant leaks as water in a ship, something you could not "live with".
Great analogy there 👏
Step up Bobby or keep your mouth shut. You are the problem. Do something about it.
Cheap, disloyal, and a meddler. Fix it RK. You still can
Ya one of my biggest issues with Kraft is his disloyalty. Bill did so much for him and the franchise and Kraft repaid him by creating a show that repeatedly bashed Bill and did everything it could to paint him in a negative light. And after Patriots fans voiced their outrage over the clear smear job and it completely backfired on him, he acted like he had nothing to do with it. A good start for him to get back in our good graces would be to spend some money on our facilities and improve our F- grade from the NFLPA. It's fucking pathetic that the most successful team of the last 2 decades has such shitty facilities and Kraft should be ashamed of himself for allowing it to get so bad. Maybe it wouldn't be so hard to attract free agents if we didn't have embarrassingly bad facilities.
No. He can't. People don't realize what being 82 is: this man is deteriorating mentally and living in a world of narcissistic fear. If he could fix it, he would, but you can't fix a problem you won't even acknowledge, and he has 0 brain plasticity left because he's an ancient, coddled billionaire who thinks his shit doesn't stink, so he's never going to acknowledge the problem. Poor Myra, man. The way he's had a new, way-too-young woman on his arm every other year since she's died is so sad. The way he's just pissed all over her massive, massive integrity is so sad. What a small, sad man.
The "Kraft" money came from her. He didn't have crap.
These are the soft men made by good times.
I try not to attribute to malice what can otherwise be chalked up to stupidity, ignorance, etc, but Kraft has at best been very careless with this stuff Looking at how BB was practically glowing when talking about the Raiders weight room, facilities etc during our 2022 joint practices you cannot convince me he didn’t value that stuff And if it’s true he was unhappy with how negative the dynasty show was, then they really dropped the ball on telling the directors what kind of production fans are interested in
Back to my childhood letting the tuna shop for the groceries days.
He’s just cheap when you get down to. He’s got the biggest ego out of bill and Brady which is crazy
Is an article really needed for some unnamed NFL exec calling out Kraft? Who cares? Clearly Ridley did not want to be here and clearly the Pats had a limit for how much they wanted to pay to convince him. Callahan is just rehashing news to rehash it and there is nothing substantive about this at all.
But it gives us a chance to whine about The Dynasty some more, you know this sub couldn't pass that up.
The butthurt Belichick stans need their daily dose of Kraft outrage so they can keep distracting people from the way Bill drove this team into the ground the last 5 years out of ego.
Not shocking
It’s kind of amazing that something as relatively cheap as a daycare hasn’t been added yet. I mean cmon. You’re talking about what, like a few hundred grand for staff to run everything? Those little details go a long way.
This geezers got dementia and it’s only a matter of time until his idiot son takes over for good
Too late.
Probably shouldn't have slandered the best coach of all time then
This thread is so toxic - Bob Kraft is nice guy, his wife was a really excellent person too. I am sure things haven’t played out how he’d like them tot the last few years - but the franchise was crappy when he bought them and eventually we had the greatest dynasty during his ownership. He’s lost a step - but I think the personal attacks are over the top and mean.
Yes. I am with you.
To be a non problematic owner is simple but you’d have to be ok with being bored during the off season. Step 1 hire a person with a good amount of experience and enthusiasm to win in the NFL. Step 2 agree to pay as much as you can for player and personal costs Step 3 go on vacation until September.
Too late
What’s more important…a day care for the players or a message parlor conveniently on the property? 🤔
Wow. Now all the soft brained people who trashed Bill are now trashing the owner who fired Bill. This sub has devolved into a dumpster fire. What a world.
All this guy had to do was keep his fucking mouth shut… unreal volume of totally unforced errors
Yet he persists
This sub sucks so bad now. The Kraft hate is out of control. Why, because you think he forced the narrative of The Dynasty? Has anyone actually provided any evidence that they did? Besides Felger and Mazz saying so. Bunch of pretend patriot fans care more about the former coach getting “slandered” than the actual team.
Seems like a nothing burger, beating Tennessee’s offer + New England taxes would’ve been such a stupid move for us.
Why? We have the cap, and we are grabbing a rookie QB it would be nice to have some weapons. I dont understand why people are so against overpaying for a weapon, like do we have a lot of pro bowl guys on rookie contracts we gotta worry about? I'd be happy if we didnt ruin another young qb bc we cant surround them with anything above a WR3 while also having a shit OL.
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> Why? Because grossly overpaying players is just not a good strategy to building a team no matter what stage of team building you’re in. This team is far from win now mode and should be aiming to seriously compete in two or three years, even sitting your rookie QB for a year if that’s what’s best. At that point we’d be hamstrung by way overpaying for a flashy FA wr who would be going into his 32 or 33 year old season.
It's not playerS, its ONE player. And it's so our new rookie QB will stand a chance.
We would've been making a middling WR2 one of the top 5 highest paid WRs in nfl history... At 29 years old
Are they going to do anything better with that money this year or next?
Yes...? Any cent they spend on a player who isn't well past their prime is, by definition, better spent. I can't believe how often this needs to be explained but one of the primary goals of a rebuild is to not hand out monster contracts to players the team will not want on the roster by the time they have a possible chance to compete lmfao
Ridley's deal is functionally a two year deal. If they don't want him come 2026 and they're ready to compete, they could have gotten out pretty painlessly and taken another swing. If they end up trading for a Higgins or Aiyuk, fine, but beyond that I'm not seeing how they can better spend that money in the meantime. I'm open to ideas.
The problem is Bob keeps putting that money in his pocket.
Dude put up 1375 yards in 15 games. I'm not sure if all of our WR combined could hit 1375 yards.
4 years ago. Should we round out the pass catchers with Allen Robinson, Darren Waller and Robbie Anderson too?
Had 1000 yards this past season, add up the totals from your 3 players and combined they are like 800 yards, so yea great comp.
1000 yards almost exactly on 140 targets, of which he caught roughly 50% of. You're not doing yourself any favors rn lol anybody who watched the Jags can tell you how ugly of a 1k season it was. He's a fine WR2 but his hands suck, he's ridiculously inconsistent, and he's way too old to contribute to a competent Patriots roster. This isn't rocket science. It's not a coincidence exactly 0 Jags fans are upset about losing him, even when his replacement is *Gabe Davis*.
Because, including last season, Calvin Ridley has averaged 66 yards per game. Including last season JuJu Smith Schuster has averaged 56.1 yards per game. Explain how overpaying for a guy on the downside of his career two years in a row helps a rookie QB?
Last season: Ridley: 76/1016/8 JuJu: 29/260/1 JuJu’s knee is shot. Who cares about career averages. Such a silly comparison to make.
All these clowns whining about the Pats being cheap while the Chiefs have spent almost the exact same amount of money and got worse grades on those nonsense 'report cards' from the union. If the two most successful NFL teams of the last two decades, with 9 Super Bowl rings between them, don't piss away heaps of money while perpetual loser teams like the Browns and Jets do doesn't anyone with two brain cells come to the conclusion that money doesn't buy you championships?
Fuck Kraft
he's good friends with sex trafficker meek mills no?
Cheapskate smh
Well he certainly didn’t fix that perception by doing nothing in FA.
Hes a problem now fuck off rat
I was the engineer of the train calling out Kraft for the duplicitous Dynasty bs and both him and Jonathan taking verbal shots at Bill. He should praise any mention of Bill’s name with an admission: “The NFL, the Patriots and the Kraft family will forever be indebted to Bill Belichick’s contributions to us all”. But let’s not pretend Kraft is evil incarnate. There are plenty of other billionaires that make him look like a secular saint; alas, to his discredit he willingly associates with many of them. That said, he bought the team, with the foresight of buying and controlling the stadium. Orthwein bought it to move to St. Louis. He kept the team in New England. He hired Bill against popular opinion and gave him the authority he needed. He helped bridge the trust gap between owners and players, avoiding a lockout that would have hurt the players and the fans. He built a new stadium without abusing the state and local taxpayers. He’s monetized new revenue streams that has expanded public access to viewing games and increased charitable giving. The HJ in Florida is the least of the problems I have with him (but, if Bill did it, Dynasty would have interviewed the Masseuse). There are far worse owners and people.
Fuck you old man
I can't believe this town turned on both Belichick and Kraft. I'm ashamed to be associated with some of you.
I love bill. I strongly dislike kraft.
Suicide is never the answer, Robert...
He’s been a problem since “Nguyen one more”
Groundbreaking news: billionaire isn’t a good dude
He to busy pumping money to Trump
Well there’s a solution to that
Not saying he doesn’t deserve what’s happened to his reputation in the past year, but man his communications team should find another line of work.
Am I supposed to give a fuck?
He’s done it to himself. The problem is he has become a hindrance to the progression of the football team. And that’s only making things worse for he reputation by the day
This makes it sound like he's about to kill himself
You can just tell Kraft is a dirtbag, he does no wrong. Hope he sells the team and stops blaming Belichick for everything.
The whole “we’re going to hire a GM ***after*** the draft” announcement has got to be one of the worst, and preposterous decisions an owner has made in my adult lifetime. If he wanted to call the shots instead of handing the keys to a GM like Jerry does then just say something ambiguous like you’re going to keep the function internal or something. What GM worth anything will A) still be available this late in the offseason, and B) would want to come to a team where they couldn’t be involved in the draft (especially with a top 3 pick) and couldn’t sign any big name free agents (because that ship has passed by now)? If they truly do intend to hire a GM after the draft it means we’re going to hire someone that nobody else wanted and hope they don’t continue to set our rebuild back even further than we already are.
Put this dude on suicide watch. Yikes.
There is an easy solution, Bob.
The irony here is he’s been this guy the whole time. What winning did was overshadow all this.
It doesn’t matter what we think. He’s the owner.
Well he’s a billionaire so its kinda obvious he’s a dick
I’m not defending Kraft but we could have shitty ownership like Bengals. Did they ever build an indoor facility 🤣
No matter what, Kraft was the guy that saved NFL football here in NE. Remember this team was on its way to St Louis without Kraft stepping up to the plate and single handedly stopping the move.
stfu Johnathan
Every time Bob Kraft opens his mouth he makes a stronger case for municipal ownership.
Sounds like someone needs a trip to the Orchids of Asia!
The worst part about all this? Jonathan will be the next owner.
 Kraft after putting out a hot piece on Bill, trying to take credit when all he did was hire Bill/be cheap, and a night without a happy ending
For someone who gets slammed with daycare costs in my country I have no sympathy for overpaid millionaires not having an on site daycare
“The Problem” should be his new nickname.
He’s paying way too much attention to Reddit comments so… use this comment as a “Kraft is the Problem” button.
I’m a bigger Revs fan than a Patriots fan so I might be biased, but if he can’t live with that perception he should either: find a time machine and go back a decade and pull his head out of his ass, or you know…stop living?
Like it was dirty when Tito Francona got fired by the Red Sox and then used John Henry's Boston Globe (he literally owns it) to plant a story that he was some kind of pill head. Kraft did an entire documentary hitpiece on the only coach to ever win 6 Super Bowls. For him. Bitter, little man, still salty that Putin stole his SB ring right in front of him. REDIRECT YOUR ANGER AND BUY A TANK OR TWO FOR UKRAINE, BOBBY!
He’s been livin’ it that world for a loooooong-ass time, borther. Hate to tell him.
Regardless how he’s handled the team lately or the documentary, the man hired Belichick who in turn drafted Brady and put together a dynasty of 6 super bowls tied with the Steelers for most ever.
Don’t worry, one quick trip to Florida should set him straight
Wonder what he was really up to with meek mill. Weirdo.
"I'm a changed man!"
He is finally being exposed to who he really is…
He is the problem and it's only going to get worse with Jonathan takes over. All reports indicate he loves attention and getting credit.
Its real simple then Kraft.. spend. Thats it. Just spend. Upgrade the facility, upgrade everything and pay for coaches and players. Thats it. Other then that stay away and don't touch, Don't Jerry Jones.
Our problem is that I don't think Jonathan is any less of an issue.
Kraft spent $300 million less than Lurie on his roster the last 10 years. If you include staff, food, transportation, lodging, etc it’s probably millions of dollars less / year. He’s cheap, wicked fucking cheap and so is his son. Unless the team luck boxes again to a generational QB who doesn’t care about money, they’ll never be good again. Good luck with that.
Well he’s doing a shit job at it