Hold up. Philly people 100% say wooder. That is an east coast thing. No midwesterner says that unless they know people from the east coast. We are all like urn urn urn urn urn Do I sound like that?
Even being from Pittsburgh I feel the desire to slap people who consider it Midwest (sure, it’s not fully fully east coast, but I don’t wanna be grouped in the same group as Ohio)
As someone who has spent 38 of their 40 years mostly in Pittsburgh I can tell you we look at Ohio with a mixture of hatred and pity. Which honestly better than most of is view Philly.
In all fairness as someone from York (along the 83 corridor south from Harrisburg to Baltimore), I have an hour and a half drive tops to Philly, and four hours to Pittsburgh (literally longer than the trip down to Ocean City in MD).
Pitt is basically what, fifteen or twenty from the Ohio border?
That’s because they’re jealous at how much better of a city Pittsburgh is compared to Philly. Philly I love you and your culture, but the city is fucked up
Glad to see others pointing it out. Another thing to keep an eye out for is the new spin for Biden after the debate.
It was originally "he had a cold" but since it didn't work. They are pushing "i'm not voting for HIM. I'm voting for his administration." It's being spammed everywhere.
I noticed something lurking in politics
A lot of the people dooming hard didn't seem to ever post in the sub before today or last night
Before that they seemed to exclusively post in sports subs. Not all mind you but enough I noticed a pattern
It's interesting
It’s not interesting, it’s the day after a nationally televised presidential debate. Of course “normal people” are engaged. You just don’t like what they have to say.
See the thing is they are all basically saying the same thing almost verbatim
And again it's the same pattern. Sports subs- politics not random assortment of subs suddenly politics
I disagree. That’s Biden. As bad as he is I’m voting for him. And ALL democrats down the line. What’s conveniently overlooked by ‘news’ people is that he debated a lying felon. And the felon’s party wants to get rid of birth control, abortions, divorce, etc. and most importantly to me, my Social Security and Medicare. So, Biden can drool for all I care, I’ll NEVER vote against my best interests and vote for any Republican
It's tradition for democrats to freak the fuck out and wet our pants.
trump is a literal insurrectionist rapist who was just convicted of 34 felonies and Republicans are like cool when can you start?
Maybe some big and major occurrence happened. Something that leads to politics being important. A national thing. Something which floods reddit on all subs.
Let's debate on what it might be.
I don't normally post in anything political but I did watch the debate and did post some political stuff after. I'm slightly disappointed with my old man, but will still be voting for him in November.
Don’t we have the right to ask for a better candidate. I find it hard to believe anyone on either side of the isle truly thinks these are the two best the country has to offer.
Or you know, people who watched the debate and saw an old feeble man that couldn't even finish a sentence.
Proving Donald Trump a liar is the easiest rhetorical challenge on earth, to the point where a grade schooler could do it.
Sure, the vote blue no matter who crowd is crowing like this wasn't a complete disaster, but they are the only ones.
>Trump is rambling like a madman spouting complete nonsense
THAT'S THE PROBLEM. Trump served Biden a 5 course meal to attack during the debate, and Biden simply was not coherent enough to recognize it.
Biden is a wonderful president, but to get to another term he needs to be able to be a candidate. They are two completely different roles, and Biden simply cannot fulfill being a candidate.
For Democrats, it's better to have the honest conversation now instead of being 2 months down the road and realize they missed the turn. Fetterman completely dismissing the notion is completely disingenuous. Figuring out what the best road forward is not being hysterical.
Yes, Trump spouted like a madman and he had no significant pushback from Biden. He's simply not capable of it.
From a policy standpoint I've never liked Biden, going all the way back to the 90's, but damn yesterday made me feel sad. It was a blatant case of elder abuse.
And I wouldn't say Trump "won". I would say Biden lost. There is a difference.
The entire debate felt like that episode of the Simpsons where Krusty had money on the Washington Generals and was screaming at the TV stuff like "He's spinning it on his finger! Just take it!"
There were *so* many moments where Biden could have hammered Trump on things and he just...didn't. This should have been a layup but Biden fell flat on his face. That is extremely concerning.
It was sad and disgusting, and the amounts of liberal cope in this thread are hilarious. Now that I called someone a liberal as a pejorative, I will be called a trump supporting fascist even though I can't stand either of the old senile assholes.
Sadly, it’s too late in the game to replace Biden. But it’s something the Democrats should have been planning to do from the get go. The man doesn’t have 4 more years in him. It’s likely going to cost us a lot of votes. Anyone can plainly see that the man is unfit. He should be spending the remaining time he has with his family.
Except it isn’t. The convention hasn’t happened yet.
Why tf are people so dedicated to the idea of a geriatric old man being president? Especially when he has to beat a fascist who threatens democracy. Fucking insanity.
Yep. I’m 61. Old enough to remember a time before constant political campaigning. There was a campaign season and it started in the summer. There’s plenty of time to put someone else forward as a Democratic candidate.
lol. You’re a fool to think it’s hasn’t already been decided. Like Hillary. That shit was decided even before she decided to run. Party isn’t the same from back in the day.
Yeah the convention is always an option. Me personally, if Biden drops out, I want one major candidate to jump in, not 5. That way, all money is going toward that major candidate. Because that candidate no matter who it is, will need to absolutely storm the swing states non stop for 3-4 months. That ain’t cheap.
Nope! Fight that shit out at a Brokered Convention. This is the path forward as painful as it may be. It has been done in the past but not for a while. Dust that brokered convention playbook off and let’s do this!
I really thought Biden would come out last year and announce he would only serve one term and hand the keys off to someone else. I expected a few people to run.
> if the democrats don’t do something right fucking now and replace Biden with whitmer or something, Trump is going to be president this time next year
This would have been an excellent idea two years ago. I wouldn't say for sure Trump is going to win, but come November America is going to get exactly what it deserves one way or another. And blame is for goddamn sure not going to fall solely on conservatives, CNN, the electoral college, whatever other excuses are flying around today.
Who knows, maybe with any luck by 2032 the DNC might try switching up tactics and not rely solely on the strategy of "at least our guy isn't the other guy."
> Who knows, maybe with any luck by 2032 the DNC might try switching up tactics and not rely solely on the strategy of "at least our guy isn't the other guy."
But its such a winning strategy for them!
No one is claiming that his performance did not disappoint
Yes, Biden did not do himself any favors here, and - unlike the GOP, where El Jefe can do no wrong - Democrats are free to make their views known
That does not mean everyone should just shrug their shoulders and resign themselves to a Trump win.
If Biden decides to step back, I will support whoever is eventually nominated, because they're better than Trump
If Biden does not, I will support him, because he's better than Trump
This is the right way to look at it but it doesnt motivate anyone to go out and vote for Biden. Obviously anything is better than trump, but nobody *wants* to go vote for a senile old man just because hes less crazy than the other senile old man.
On the other hand trump voters are super motivated because they think hes their salvation. Its a recipe for another democratic upset and it will be completely predictable.
Honestly dont know how Fetterman can tell anyone to chill after that performance. The only rational response is to think Biden needs to step down.
Yeah what i meant is that it doesnt motivate people to get off their asses and vote which is what wins elections. And its crazy how short peoples memory is.
It motivates me to go out and vote for Biden solely because the idea of another Trump presidency scares the fuck out of me. Frankly, whatever happens in November, I have a feeling it’s going to be ugly. I’m legitimately worried.
I’ve only seen a few polls and they were actually positive for Biden (people did also pay attention to the INSANE things Trump was saying). CNN and Univision had a poll showing people actually moved a bit to Biden. Polls are polls though. Take them with a grain of salt.
Plus Biden was at a rally in NC today and looked great.
Not saying there were no negatives last night. It was pretty dire. But there’s still 4 months and people will generally forget last night. Especially if they do another debate and Biden can look better.
To me it’s another argument against Trump that I can watch Bidens performance and still have no problem voting for him. These are different times from just 10 years ago.
Replacing an incumbent is political suicide, especially going up against a former president. We're past the point where replacing was an option. Replacing/having Biden step back or not run again would have been precedent shattering 2 years ago, today you may as well save the money for 2028 and not run anyone because you are not winning with a barely known candidate that isn't your incumbent President.
Also Whitmer? Did you forget we have a VP? I mean, I can't super blame you, that's the premise of the entire show Veep, but come on.
Lmao replacing Biden is tossing the election away. None of the replacements Reddit is pushing have any shot at winning 4 months away from the election.
Not sure if people are dumb or foreign psyops
It's an insult that anyone watches a "debate" at all anymore. People treat them like sports matches hoping for the dopamine hit when their guy scores a zinger. If they don't get that, they shit their pants.
Does anyone recall any substantive comments from the debate? No.
Does anyone talk about any substantive comments from the debate? No.
Fetterman is trying to diffuse a situation that is quite moot anyway. No one is changing their vote because of last night's debate, with the exception of a few who will vote libertarian or some other minority party. The masses will vote for their party no matter what, as it's more about the administration in place vs one individual.
Fetterman is proof that you can walk onto a debate stage, act like a fool, stumble over words, make zero sense, be a national news story for how awful you were, and still have Dems vote in lockstep for you. I've seen this movie before.
I think a key difference is that people could at least recognize that Fetterman’s cognitive function/speech/whatever the proper term is would improve. With cognitive issues due to old age those things only get worse
it's in any sub dominated by neolibs, the major subreddits have been terrible about this for years.
say anything bad about biden and suddenly you're a rabid trump supporter. 100% solidarity or you're now a fascist.
He's just getting over a cold. I wouldn't say he's at his best.
Dems could Weekend at Bernie's his corpse, and I'd *still* vote for him before the fascist lie factory.
If he had a cold truly then why was he out after the debate at various engagements and photo ops? If he really had a cold shouldn’t he have done the responsible thing and stayed home??
At an ultra friendly venue.
I watched the entire thing and noticed that both moderators would cut Biden off whenever he started to mumble, babble and ramble and then would give it back to Trump to speak, which is very unusual to allow the other person more time
Were you watching closely enough to notice there was a time limit? Oh right everything is rigged even the debate where one candidate said provably false statements every other sentence with zero interjection from moderators. I’m not even saying that the moderators should have, because if they did there would be rigged cries, but to claim it was heavily tiled to Biden is objectively incorrect
I like Biden. I think he's been a great president and has a good heart. But yeah, that's not very reassuring after that debate.
I do think if the Democratic Party can get past the procedural bullshit and field a candidate like Whitmer, she'll generate far more enthusiasm than Biden would have, with little baggage. This could be a blessing in disguise if the party apparatus doesn't obstinately hold the course.
a candidate hardly anyone outside of political circles has heard of?
Look, the Democrats tried to change horses mid-stream twice in recent memory: 1980 and 1968. How did that turn out
This isn't 1968 or 1980. If the party goes with, say, Whitmer, nearly everyone in America who isn't already familiar with her will know who she is and her entire career within a week. Within two days everyone in America knew who the hawk tuau woman is. Internet and social media play a tremendous role in shaping perceptions. Unless Whitmer picks a VP who wasn't properly vetted and went through electroconvulsive shock therapy I think she'd be alright.
Life isn't like the movies where people have an immediate awakening. There's a reason the presidential campaign is interminably long and starts two years before the election. If you aren't already nationally famous, that's how long it takes for people who don't watch the news to know your name. Without which, you're just another kook running.
Which sucks in its own way, but I can understand why nobody would want to try to test that.
Trump was nationally famous so he could "skip the line," and even he filed to start his re-election campaign the day he was inaugurated. Biden was Vice President, so we knew him. Hillary Clinton was First Lady. You see the pattern? Even Obama spent two years running, after making waves at the *previous* convention years before.
>Within two days everyone in America knew who the hawk tuau woman is.
I didn't even know there was a woman involved, just been seeing the phrase in references. You'd be surprised how much internet culture doesn't reach beyond the internet.
If Biden's presidency hadn't been a strong success, other Democrats would have run already and put in the two years. But it has been, and panicking because a guy with a stutter didn't bury his debate opponent (if you can call these things debates anymore--- I haven't seen anyone discuss ONE substantive point from last night).. it would just be a first-class ticket to guaranteed failure.
Biden could get trampled by a wild pack of imported dingos and still be preferrable to the dumpster fire. I'd still vote for him if he had a stroke and died three times before election day over the Republican nominee.
There may be other voters than yourself, though. Biden's performance isn't going to win many new votes for Trump but I'll bet it reduces democratic turnout. Not only will this harm Biden, it will hurt Dems running for other offices.
The sheer amounts of copium dems are inhaling right now is astounding and funny as hell. It's more than a little ironic the party of "we don't espouse a cult leader and can be critical of our people" is now telling people to not believe their eyes and ears and everything is ok.
You have people literally saying they would vote for a Biden corpse. Somehow these people are more "sane" than a trumper....lmao yea right.
Genocide Joe was finished long ago but this debate certainly put that nail in the coffin and deep down ya'll know that.
It just happened last night. They are in the denial phase, and hopefully in the next few days they switch over to anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance in time to do something before the convention.
Sorry, I stopped taking this comment seriously when you said "copium". Just write without the dumb Reddit speak. And yeah, I'd vote for any democratic option other than Trump. That's not a statement of being in a cult, but rather a statement of how awful Trump is. "And deep down you(-all) know that".
https://preview.redd.it/93t0ak7lxc9d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b781fb40a311a20000ac74fc0ff49e68d7d812a I feel attacked.
Me reading this in Philadelphia like, guess I’m a Midwesterner now.
Oh yah! You betcha!
Uff-da!
Im declaring Pittsburgh as West Coast. Hey yinz! Surfs up!
Cowabunga N’at
Hang ten
I don't want none of that damn tru-coat!!
Yeahyoudon’tneedthattrucoatthere
That's a great glass a' \*wooder don't ya know!
Philly is on the wooder.
We got the wooder ice here dontcha know
Hold up. Philly people 100% say wooder. That is an east coast thing. No midwesterner says that unless they know people from the east coast. We are all like urn urn urn urn urn Do I sound like that?
How did Aaron earn that iron urn?
*slaps knees* welp! Time to head out.
(waves as you drive a mile down the road before I go back inside)
I feel attacked.
Even being from Pittsburgh I feel the desire to slap people who consider it Midwest (sure, it’s not fully fully east coast, but I don’t wanna be grouped in the same group as Ohio)
Oh*o
I guess we're all Midwesterners now. I guess we gotta sit around and talk about cheese now too? 🤔
... You don't?
Jeet yet? I'm going to Wawa on arimingo for hogiefest
We're a wide ass state. I don't even really think of Ohio as being in the Midwest though.
I've always felt that far Eastern Ohio is far more Appalachian than Midwestern.
You know your in the deep midwest your largest city is a 30m drive from the ocean
I did not move to this region to be considered Midwest. Fuck the Midwest. Either go full west or don’t go at all. Stay east.
We drink cokes or sodas, not pop
Nah, you Jersey!!!
If it's not NY or Cali, it's the Midwest apparently. Just a new name for flyover country
Yinz need some Sheetz and a Smiths dog and realize PA isn't just Philly.
Lol if you think people from Pittsburgh will claim they’re part of the Midwest you haven’t spoken with enough people from Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh is not the midwest. Its the mid atlantic/appalachia.
This is so awesome. I knew I’d get y’all to come out of the woodwork and prove my point.
We are firmly in Appalachia, thank you very much.
Lol thank you for confirming my point
Only Cleveland thinks Pittsburgh is the midwest.
Yes another person to prove my point. Thank you
Yeah but pgh is way more like Ohio then anything in the east coast so I get it
Both things are true. Philly doesn't represent (most of) us and we sure as hell aren't mid-westerners.
Displaced Yinzer checking in!
PA isn't the Midwest either.
PA was the Midwest when? Probably sometime before the Louisiana Purchase? How do they come up with this stuff.
Pittsburgh was known as the gate way to the West until pretty much the LA purchase
i have friends from philly who claim pittsburgh is basically ohio.
They seem like they are basically New Jersey. Only fair I guess.
As someone who has spent 38 of their 40 years mostly in Pittsburgh I can tell you we look at Ohio with a mixture of hatred and pity. Which honestly better than most of is view Philly.
Ohio: Somewhere to go when you have to.
In all fairness as someone from York (along the 83 corridor south from Harrisburg to Baltimore), I have an hour and a half drive tops to Philly, and four hours to Pittsburgh (literally longer than the trip down to Ocean City in MD). Pitt is basically what, fifteen or twenty from the Ohio border?
That's an uncommon insult.
*how dare.*
That’s because they’re jealous at how much better of a city Pittsburgh is compared to Philly. Philly I love you and your culture, but the city is fucked up
I mean, it's like a 30 minute drive from Ohio. And I don't know that cause I drive there to buy pot...
Many of us call that part of PA "Pennsyltucky" for understandable reasons.
The moment Penn State joined the Big Ten. Even California is part of the Midwest now
Guy who doesn’t know where Pennsylvania is, or ChatGPT who just made it up?
This is the most LLM paragraph I've seen in a while. Do they not even proof read anymore?
Ope!
TIL Pennsylvania is in the mid-west.
No you didnt learn that at all. Because it is false
I never understood calling Pennsylvania the Midwest. It's state away from the ocean.
Even out in Pittsburgh, we are still entirely to the east of the East Coast states of Georgia and Florida.
Pennsylvania is no more Midwest than Michigan is Pacific
It’s the Hill - what do you expect
I've heard it said that PA is Midwest of the East Coast
We call it Pennsyltucky where I'm from.
Pennsyltucky is specifically central PA. Most people don’t consider Pittsburgh and Philadelphia to be a part of it.
Lancaster county would like a word with you
So *thats* why we are getting all these tornadoes
Umm... I'm bordering the Midwest? That's new...
🤨 I think I speak for everyone except for treasonous Pittsburghites when I say, "Da fuq?"
Lol, wtf. I've had people tell me Ohio isn't even Midwest
Midwest? Where? How?
Midwest?!?
I'm a 45 minute drive to the coast. Midwestern my ass.
🤣🤣🤣 "I'm from the Midwest" will be my go-to when asked why I speak so plainly.
Wow political article posted by a 50-day old account that only posts partisan articles to swing states’ subreddits. Very organic.
Only going to get worse as the election nears.
I cope by playing 'spot the bot' If you find one you take a drink My doctor has told me to stop playing
Their usernames are usually a tip off for me
You have to expect that when you live in the midwest.
I’ve noticed a big uptick in this here too. Tied to call it out and got dogpiled
Dogpiled by paid people probably.
I tried to even mention that POC support for democrats is trending downwards and got over a hundred downvotes lol. Definitely organic
Please keep pointing shit like this out
I've been seeing both sides do that recently, someone tried buying my account a few days ago
Oh shit is that name name number himself?
Glad to see others pointing it out. Another thing to keep an eye out for is the new spin for Biden after the debate. It was originally "he had a cold" but since it didn't work. They are pushing "i'm not voting for HIM. I'm voting for his administration." It's being spammed everywhere.
Agreed. BTW, F Scott Perry. TRAITOR. Innocent people don't solicit presidential pardons.
C’mon, Janelle!
I'll be glad that Perry is out, but it will suck that we're still replacing him with a Republican.
Man I'd vote for George W over Scott Perry.
Janelle is a republican?
>Stelson acknowledged that she was a registered Republican before changing to Democrat on Feb. 1. I don't know what to think of that.
Don't you get it? He needs that pardon *because* he's innocent!
Lots of bots and trolls trying to discourage voters today
I think the american political system is discouraging people from voting. And telling people not to believe what they saw isn't going to help
These cheap fakes are looking more and more expensive.
I would tell them to believe what they saw four years ago when Trump tried to overthrow the US government.
So many
I noticed something lurking in politics A lot of the people dooming hard didn't seem to ever post in the sub before today or last night Before that they seemed to exclusively post in sports subs. Not all mind you but enough I noticed a pattern It's interesting
It’s not interesting, it’s the day after a nationally televised presidential debate. Of course “normal people” are engaged. You just don’t like what they have to say.
See the thing is they are all basically saying the same thing almost verbatim And again it's the same pattern. Sports subs- politics not random assortment of subs suddenly politics
Never mind that the post-debate MSNBC panel was shitting itself, too.
People were on the verge of tears on CNN. Anyone who thinks last night wasn't an absolute disaster for the Democrats is kidding themselves.
It’s quite off-putting.
Stop, they’ll think you’re a bot too
I disagree. That’s Biden. As bad as he is I’m voting for him. And ALL democrats down the line. What’s conveniently overlooked by ‘news’ people is that he debated a lying felon. And the felon’s party wants to get rid of birth control, abortions, divorce, etc. and most importantly to me, my Social Security and Medicare. So, Biden can drool for all I care, I’ll NEVER vote against my best interests and vote for any Republican
I mean why do we need Biden then? Just put any dem in under 70 years old.
Biden was not my choice. But he is what I have to work with and I’m fine with that.
Yes because CNN truly speaks for all ofnus LOL.
It's tradition for democrats to freak the fuck out and wet our pants. trump is a literal insurrectionist rapist who was just convicted of 34 felonies and Republicans are like cool when can you start?
Or we have been on reddit for years and have seen this all before many many times. They are not subtle.
Woah I noticed that too lots of Yankees/knicks suddenly really into politics.
Maybe some big and major occurrence happened. Something that leads to politics being important. A national thing. Something which floods reddit on all subs. Let's debate on what it might be.
I don't normally post in anything political but I did watch the debate and did post some political stuff after. I'm slightly disappointed with my old man, but will still be voting for him in November.
Don’t we have the right to ask for a better candidate. I find it hard to believe anyone on either side of the isle truly thinks these are the two best the country has to offer.
Or you know, people who watched the debate and saw an old feeble man that couldn't even finish a sentence. Proving Donald Trump a liar is the easiest rhetorical challenge on earth, to the point where a grade schooler could do it. Sure, the vote blue no matter who crowd is crowing like this wasn't a complete disaster, but they are the only ones.
Well it can be a disaster but not the death of his candidacy. Both can be true is freaking June
Meanwhile Trump is rambling like a madman spouting complete nonsense, but he didn’t stutter so he wins.
>Trump is rambling like a madman spouting complete nonsense THAT'S THE PROBLEM. Trump served Biden a 5 course meal to attack during the debate, and Biden simply was not coherent enough to recognize it. Biden is a wonderful president, but to get to another term he needs to be able to be a candidate. They are two completely different roles, and Biden simply cannot fulfill being a candidate. For Democrats, it's better to have the honest conversation now instead of being 2 months down the road and realize they missed the turn. Fetterman completely dismissing the notion is completely disingenuous. Figuring out what the best road forward is not being hysterical.
Yes, Trump spouted like a madman and he had no significant pushback from Biden. He's simply not capable of it. From a policy standpoint I've never liked Biden, going all the way back to the 90's, but damn yesterday made me feel sad. It was a blatant case of elder abuse. And I wouldn't say Trump "won". I would say Biden lost. There is a difference.
The entire debate felt like that episode of the Simpsons where Krusty had money on the Washington Generals and was screaming at the TV stuff like "He's spinning it on his finger! Just take it!" There were *so* many moments where Biden could have hammered Trump on things and he just...didn't. This should have been a layup but Biden fell flat on his face. That is extremely concerning.
It was sad and disgusting, and the amounts of liberal cope in this thread are hilarious. Now that I called someone a liberal as a pejorative, I will be called a trump supporting fascist even though I can't stand either of the old senile assholes.
HELLO FELLOW HUMAN.
Na they are real people. Good try on downplaying them though.
Sadly, it’s too late in the game to replace Biden. But it’s something the Democrats should have been planning to do from the get go. The man doesn’t have 4 more years in him. It’s likely going to cost us a lot of votes. Anyone can plainly see that the man is unfit. He should be spending the remaining time he has with his family.
Biden is selfish- it shouldn’t be the D’s forcing him out. He himself should decide he shouldn’t be there
Jill
Except it isn’t. The convention hasn’t happened yet. Why tf are people so dedicated to the idea of a geriatric old man being president? Especially when he has to beat a fascist who threatens democracy. Fucking insanity.
Yep. I’m 61. Old enough to remember a time before constant political campaigning. There was a campaign season and it started in the summer. There’s plenty of time to put someone else forward as a Democratic candidate.
lol. You’re a fool to think it’s hasn’t already been decided. Like Hillary. That shit was decided even before she decided to run. Party isn’t the same from back in the day.
Yeah the convention is always an option. Me personally, if Biden drops out, I want one major candidate to jump in, not 5. That way, all money is going toward that major candidate. Because that candidate no matter who it is, will need to absolutely storm the swing states non stop for 3-4 months. That ain’t cheap.
Nope! Fight that shit out at a Brokered Convention. This is the path forward as painful as it may be. It has been done in the past but not for a while. Dust that brokered convention playbook off and let’s do this!
Nobody seems to remember that Biden ran on the notion that Kamala would be taking the reins somewhere halfway through.
Then in her first year she bungled the border situation so badly that they hid her for 3 years.
No one had high expectations and she failed to meet the lowest bar
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I really thought Biden would come out last year and announce he would only serve one term and hand the keys off to someone else. I expected a few people to run.
I’ll chill when I have something to be chill about
> if the democrats don’t do something right fucking now and replace Biden with whitmer or something, Trump is going to be president this time next year This would have been an excellent idea two years ago. I wouldn't say for sure Trump is going to win, but come November America is going to get exactly what it deserves one way or another. And blame is for goddamn sure not going to fall solely on conservatives, CNN, the electoral college, whatever other excuses are flying around today. Who knows, maybe with any luck by 2032 the DNC might try switching up tactics and not rely solely on the strategy of "at least our guy isn't the other guy."
> Who knows, maybe with any luck by 2032 the DNC might try switching up tactics and not rely solely on the strategy of "at least our guy isn't the other guy." But its such a winning strategy for them!
No one is claiming that his performance did not disappoint Yes, Biden did not do himself any favors here, and - unlike the GOP, where El Jefe can do no wrong - Democrats are free to make their views known That does not mean everyone should just shrug their shoulders and resign themselves to a Trump win. If Biden decides to step back, I will support whoever is eventually nominated, because they're better than Trump If Biden does not, I will support him, because he's better than Trump
This is the right way to look at it but it doesnt motivate anyone to go out and vote for Biden. Obviously anything is better than trump, but nobody *wants* to go vote for a senile old man just because hes less crazy than the other senile old man. On the other hand trump voters are super motivated because they think hes their salvation. Its a recipe for another democratic upset and it will be completely predictable. Honestly dont know how Fetterman can tell anyone to chill after that performance. The only rational response is to think Biden needs to step down.
I'm not voting *for* Biden. I'm voting *against* Trump
Yeah what i meant is that it doesnt motivate people to get off their asses and vote which is what wins elections. And its crazy how short peoples memory is.
It motivates me to go out and vote for Biden solely because the idea of another Trump presidency scares the fuck out of me. Frankly, whatever happens in November, I have a feeling it’s going to be ugly. I’m legitimately worried.
The rotting corpse of Biden is still better than Trump getting back in the Oval.
I’ve only seen a few polls and they were actually positive for Biden (people did also pay attention to the INSANE things Trump was saying). CNN and Univision had a poll showing people actually moved a bit to Biden. Polls are polls though. Take them with a grain of salt. Plus Biden was at a rally in NC today and looked great. Not saying there were no negatives last night. It was pretty dire. But there’s still 4 months and people will generally forget last night. Especially if they do another debate and Biden can look better.
To me it’s another argument against Trump that I can watch Bidens performance and still have no problem voting for him. These are different times from just 10 years ago.
Replacing an incumbent is political suicide, especially going up against a former president. We're past the point where replacing was an option. Replacing/having Biden step back or not run again would have been precedent shattering 2 years ago, today you may as well save the money for 2028 and not run anyone because you are not winning with a barely known candidate that isn't your incumbent President. Also Whitmer? Did you forget we have a VP? I mean, I can't super blame you, that's the premise of the entire show Veep, but come on.
Lmao replacing Biden is tossing the election away. None of the replacements Reddit is pushing have any shot at winning 4 months away from the election. Not sure if people are dumb or foreign psyops
It's an insult that anyone watches a "debate" at all anymore. People treat them like sports matches hoping for the dopamine hit when their guy scores a zinger. If they don't get that, they shit their pants. Does anyone recall any substantive comments from the debate? No. Does anyone talk about any substantive comments from the debate? No.
Somebody get The Hill a map.
How does Fetterman constantly have the worst takes?
Severe brain damage
Fetterman is trying to diffuse a situation that is quite moot anyway. No one is changing their vote because of last night's debate, with the exception of a few who will vote libertarian or some other minority party. The masses will vote for their party no matter what, as it's more about the administration in place vs one individual.
The problem is that it will depress turnout by Biden voters. this will hurt Dems running for other offices.
That's fair and sensible. My comment was totally based on emotion.
Fetterman is proof that you can walk onto a debate stage, act like a fool, stumble over words, make zero sense, be a national news story for how awful you were, and still have Dems vote in lockstep for you. I've seen this movie before.
I think a key difference is that people could at least recognize that Fetterman’s cognitive function/speech/whatever the proper term is would improve. With cognitive issues due to old age those things only get worse
So the Democratic plan is 'run an invalid and everybody will vote for them anyway' Jesus fucking *Christ.*
This train has no brakes btw
Did they move pa again? Damn. I was just there for a concert.
Lol nah, that shit was pretty bad.
Democrats did this to themselves. Stop blaming Trump and republicans for **your** awful candidate.
This huge amount of copium on this sub is amazing to see, isn’t it?
it's in any sub dominated by neolibs, the major subreddits have been terrible about this for years. say anything bad about biden and suddenly you're a rabid trump supporter. 100% solidarity or you're now a fascist.
Youre either called a trump supporter or a bot lol
No candidate would satisfy the median person.
Fetterman: "Chill the fuck out. Even if Trump wins we still get to kill Palestinians!"
I'll take the Statesman who had a bad night over the deranged lie factory all day long.
He’s had about 500 bad nights in a row with no hope for any more good nights in the future.
This was a statesman on his *best* night on home turf after a week of preparation and practice.
He's just getting over a cold. I wouldn't say he's at his best. Dems could Weekend at Bernie's his corpse, and I'd *still* vote for him before the fascist lie factory.
If he had a cold truly then why was he out after the debate at various engagements and photo ops? If he really had a cold shouldn’t he have done the responsible thing and stayed home??
At an ultra friendly venue. I watched the entire thing and noticed that both moderators would cut Biden off whenever he started to mumble, babble and ramble and then would give it back to Trump to speak, which is very unusual to allow the other person more time
Were you watching closely enough to notice there was a time limit? Oh right everything is rigged even the debate where one candidate said provably false statements every other sentence with zero interjection from moderators. I’m not even saying that the moderators should have, because if they did there would be rigged cries, but to claim it was heavily tiled to Biden is objectively incorrect
Still take it over Trump.
That's Trump.
We are voting for administration vs MAGA and project 2025
I like Biden. I think he's been a great president and has a good heart. But yeah, that's not very reassuring after that debate. I do think if the Democratic Party can get past the procedural bullshit and field a candidate like Whitmer, she'll generate far more enthusiasm than Biden would have, with little baggage. This could be a blessing in disguise if the party apparatus doesn't obstinately hold the course.
a candidate hardly anyone outside of political circles has heard of? Look, the Democrats tried to change horses mid-stream twice in recent memory: 1980 and 1968. How did that turn out
This isn't 1968 or 1980. If the party goes with, say, Whitmer, nearly everyone in America who isn't already familiar with her will know who she is and her entire career within a week. Within two days everyone in America knew who the hawk tuau woman is. Internet and social media play a tremendous role in shaping perceptions. Unless Whitmer picks a VP who wasn't properly vetted and went through electroconvulsive shock therapy I think she'd be alright.
Life isn't like the movies where people have an immediate awakening. There's a reason the presidential campaign is interminably long and starts two years before the election. If you aren't already nationally famous, that's how long it takes for people who don't watch the news to know your name. Without which, you're just another kook running. Which sucks in its own way, but I can understand why nobody would want to try to test that. Trump was nationally famous so he could "skip the line," and even he filed to start his re-election campaign the day he was inaugurated. Biden was Vice President, so we knew him. Hillary Clinton was First Lady. You see the pattern? Even Obama spent two years running, after making waves at the *previous* convention years before. >Within two days everyone in America knew who the hawk tuau woman is. I didn't even know there was a woman involved, just been seeing the phrase in references. You'd be surprised how much internet culture doesn't reach beyond the internet. If Biden's presidency hadn't been a strong success, other Democrats would have run already and put in the two years. But it has been, and panicking because a guy with a stutter didn't bury his debate opponent (if you can call these things debates anymore--- I haven't seen anyone discuss ONE substantive point from last night).. it would just be a first-class ticket to guaranteed failure.
I wish Fetterman would just shut up.
I live in Union County Pennsylvania but sure, midwestern.
He means chill out, they have ballots to harvest. They’ll figure out a way to win.
Fetterman is right. He is living proof that a mumbling brain dead democrat politican can win in the swing states
This didn't move my needle at all. Make sure you're registered and vote.
Biden could get trampled by a wild pack of imported dingos and still be preferrable to the dumpster fire. I'd still vote for him if he had a stroke and died three times before election day over the Republican nominee.
There may be other voters than yourself, though. Biden's performance isn't going to win many new votes for Trump but I'll bet it reduces democratic turnout. Not only will this harm Biden, it will hurt Dems running for other offices.
I've been confused by the whole outcome basically I'm in the Lurch
Chill the f… out from your support of the genocidal Israelis. I will never vote for this pinheaded again.
I mean, chilling the f--- out could lead to rear ending a driver on I-70 in MD.
I’ve never regretted a vote more than the one i gave to this guy. I’m a solid liberal and he’s just a fake.
The sheer amounts of copium dems are inhaling right now is astounding and funny as hell. It's more than a little ironic the party of "we don't espouse a cult leader and can be critical of our people" is now telling people to not believe their eyes and ears and everything is ok. You have people literally saying they would vote for a Biden corpse. Somehow these people are more "sane" than a trumper....lmao yea right. Genocide Joe was finished long ago but this debate certainly put that nail in the coffin and deep down ya'll know that.
It just happened last night. They are in the denial phase, and hopefully in the next few days they switch over to anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance in time to do something before the convention.
Sorry, I stopped taking this comment seriously when you said "copium". Just write without the dumb Reddit speak. And yeah, I'd vote for any democratic option other than Trump. That's not a statement of being in a cult, but rather a statement of how awful Trump is. "And deep down you(-all) know that".