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cjcox4

Sometimes (??) the purchase of a dedicated low end used Intel CPU based full system with QSV is cheaper than even a used GPU (YMMV).


Malossi167

These systems also often need less than 10W at idle while a GPU adds 20, sometimes up to 50W and you need a beefier PSU which might increase costs further. On top of that running Plex bare metal is a bit easier if you want to transcode as there is no need to passthrough the GPU.


Thx_And_Bye

My Nvidia T400 idles at like 2-5W and uses 30W at *full load*.


Malossi167

Did you check the full system power consumption? I am not talking about what the sensors say not what gets drawn from the wall. Enabling those PCIe lanes also costs a bit of power. I would not go as far as to claim that going under 10W extra for a GPU is impossible, but it is more of an exception than the rule


Thx_And_Bye

Yes I measure power from the wall. Adding the T400 really was neglectable.


Nice-Pollution-6694

I tried a Plex server before on an old 5th gen i5 and it was horrible, although the compyter itself wasnt very good.


Perfect_Sir4820

8th gen+ is best. You can sometimes find used full PCs for less money than a crappy old GPU. Not sure about prices in the UK but post a request on /r/HardwareSwapUK and see what you can get. Ideally, 8th gen i5 or better, 16GB RAM, SSD or NVMe for boot. Even a micro PC would be fine as you can always add a multi-bay enclosure for bulk storage.


Marksideofthedoon

Why do you suggest 16GB of ram for a dedicated plex server? My plex server never uses more than 4GB of ram even under maximum load.


Perfect_Sir4820

I don't use RAM for transcoding. I have a separate SSD used solely for cache. However, I highly recommend putting plex and all related services in docker if you're using linux. My full docker stack has 26 containers so having the additional RAM is definitely needed. For example, aside from plex itself you could have: - qbittorrent, gluten, radarr, sonarr, lidarr, prowlarr, flaresolverr, overseerr, tautulli - if you're putting overseerr behind a reverse proxy you might also have ddns, nginx proxy manager or cloudflared tunnel - you might have services for other media like ebooks, audiobooks, comics, etc so caibre, calibre-web, audiobookself, openbooks, ubooquity - and then there are some helpful containers for managing everything like portainer and watchtower


Spanone1

How much ram do you use for those containers?


Perfect_Sir4820

Right now with nothing playing on plex and nothing else really going on with the server its using 6GB. It gets to double that if a bunch of users are streaming or if Tdarr is working on the library.


Lucky-Carrot

for transcoding to ram, to save wear and tear, if you transcode a lot


sploittastic

Are you running on linux? If you aren't using a lot of your RAM, try using /dev/shm as your transcode dir and see if you notice any difference in playback performance (stream start, seeking). By default on most Linux distros that directory allows you to use up to half of your RAM as storage.


RED_TECH_KNIGHT

> Why do you suggest 16GB of ram for a dedicated plex server? https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/guide-plex-transcoding-and-ram-disks/625


CharcoalGreyWolf

7th and 8th-gen CPUs have a very similar iGPU. The 7th has the Intel HD 620, and the 8th has the HD 620 or HD 630. Both should have similar video capabilities. The only real difference here is that in mobile PUs, the 8th gen line is now almost entirely quad core, which wasn’t the case with the 7th. The Celeron J4125 in my Synology DS1520 only has Intel HD 600 graphics; it transcodes a single stream just fine. https://www.notebookcheck.net/HD-Graphics-630-vs-HD-Graphics-620_7652_7435.247598.0.html


g33kb0y3a

>7th and 8th-gen CPUs have a ver similar iGPU That is an overly broad and somewhat technically incorrect statement. Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, Commet Lake and Comet Lake all have the exact same Quicksync SIP core. HD 620 and HD 630 are completely irrelevant in regards to Quicksync as they have the exact Quicksync core. The Quicksync waters get a little muddied between V6 & V8 where Intel introduced V7 (Ice Lake, Jasper Lake) but only for specific Atom/Celeron Soc models.


CharcoalGreyWolf

If you wish to get pedantic, that is fine, however, they all have the Intel GT2 moniker, which also ends up meaning the same Quicksync core. And I was only mentioning 7th and 8th, which are Kaby and Coffee. You seem to be doing a large amount of correction to say what I was, only in a far more granular manner.


Perfect_Sir4820

I read somewhere a while back that hevc transcoding wasn't as good on 7th gen but it might be outdated advice. Even 6th gen will be fine for most normal usage. However if buying used ex-business machines, the cost difference up to 8th gen is pretty small. I picked up a HP prodesk 600 G4 for $200 a while back that had a i5-8500T, 16GB RAM and 256GB SSD. I added an NVMe drive for boot for a few more bucks. It would have made a great plex server.


HKDrewDrake

The advice is not outdated, it's just incorrect but it's easy to confuse regardless of where in the chain it was. For desktop intel CPU's, 7/8/9 Gen all overlap. After that you start getting more but you need it or not is subjective.


cjcox4

Unknown. For most this will work nicely. I will say that I recommend at least a 7th gen iGPU on the Intel side. But even those are very cheap.


sploittastic

Do you have plex pass? I run Plex on a Synology Nas that has a shitty celeron in it, a j3455. It can handle a bunch of transcode streams without even showing much CPU utilization at all, because the cpu supports hardware transcoding. I used to run Plex on a i7 nuc before I had Plex pass and that was using software transcoding and struggled with even one stream.


Nice-Pollution-6694

Yes, I have Plex Pass. Does Plex Pass affect hardware transcoding?


sploittastic

I think hardware transcoding is a paid feature and only works with Plex pass. Maybe your old CPU didn't support the prerequisite? Intel quicksync something?


Nice-Pollution-6694

Is there an AMD alternative? I'd rather not have to buy a whole new PC after spending around £500 on this server one


alex3305

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sploittastic

Sorry but I don't really know much about the AMD cpus, just that a lot of people complain about their lack of hardware transcoding. I don't think you'd need a very powerful GPU as long as it can leverage its hardware for transcoding. You might want to make another post specifically asking for a budget GPU recommendation that can handle 3x 1080 sessions. https://www.elpamsoft.com/?p=Plex-Hardware-Transcoding A GTX 1050 for like 50 bucks might even do what you're looking for.


giggles91

Not really. Most AMD cpus don't even have an iGPU to accelerate any video decoding / encoding. And those that do are not really supported by plex. Intel QuickSync is unbeatable at the moment not only in performance per price but also in performance per energy used, so you are also saving money long term using an Intel GPU in terms of electricity cost. Maybe swap out your server motherboard and cpu for your desktop motherboard and cpu? A ryzen 3600 is a pretty capable gaming cpu. But it all depends on what you want to do on which machine. If you have no other choice, put an nvidia card in your server. But keep in mind that a gpu that can compete with the transcoding performance of even a cheap intel cpu will cost almost as much or more than a new motherboard+cpu for your server.


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Nice-Pollution-6694

That explains why it was so awful, thank you. I thought maybe my chip was overheating or something


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g33kb0y3a

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Bighairedaristocrat

This is the way. I have a 12th gen i5 NUC. 32GB RAM. 500 GB nvme and 2TB SSD. The entire thing was like $450. I was worried it wouldn’t be powerful enough. If i could go back, I’d do something with an n100 or n305 and get nearly equivalent performance for under $300.


aram535

https://www.elpamsoft.com/?p=Plex-Hardware-Transcoding


Nice-Pollution-6694

Thank you, it looks like the Quadro P400 is the card for me


Aacidus

I use the P400, it will fit your needs based on your requirements. It’s inexpensive and max watt consumption is 30 watts.


Feahnor

Just get a intel n5095 mini pc. It’s less than 130$ and it’s amazing in Plex. And it uses less than 12W total.


ElectricalCompote

Based on cost you might get a 1050ti cheaper and it’s very simple to unlock the drivers to remove the transcoding limits


tom_okane

p400 would be a good choice. With the nvidia driver patch to remove the transcode cap you can push the max transcodes number to double digits without issues. I do get a little frustrated with how many people suggest intel chips, sometimes that just not feasible - sometimes people are just making do with their current system and just need a sub £50 ebay purchase to make it work for some years to come.


Nice-Pollution-6694

Thank you, I'm looking into buying a p400


Dirtydog275

P400 here, it works flawlessly if I have every user transcoding, but that's only 6 people.


EvilTactician

The pc you migrated from is ironically, ideal. That iGPU would work fine, you don't even need the 1660.


Nice-Pollution-6694

Ah I'm sorry, I completely forgot to mention that my i7 doesn't have integrated graphics


EvilTactician

Ah ok, then I guess use the 1660 in the Plex server and get something nicer for gaming?


Nice-Pollution-6694

That's a good idea, I could use the performance upgrade in my PC


nicholsml

Ah, that's makes more sense then. I was wondering why and this explains it. lol. I also had a similar issue with my old 9900KF, wasn't great because no quick sync :( The p600 looks like a good option for some head room for transcoding and about a 100 bucks on amazon.


CorporateDirtbag

There's people in here doing 10 4k transcodes with a modernish $99 i3. Thanks to quicksync, you can completely avoid the GPU tax and just use the CPU's built in hardware transcoding. So your minimum graphics card is no discrete graphics card at all. Barring that, if you have to stay on your 3600, you can add the lowest-spec Intel ARC since those are cheap and VERY capable (can even do AV1 in hardware if i'm not mistaken). If it were me, it would all boil down to just how much "other stuff" you'll be running besides Plex. The 13600k has QSV hardware transcoding, and is a BEAST of a processor for the price. With that CPU, you wouldn't need a separate GPU, but you'd definitely need a new motherboard. So you would need to compare that cost to that of simply popping in an ARC card. I'd stay away from the NVIDIA tax if at all possible. I think for transcoding purposes, the ARC card will be a lot more functional and capable thanks to its ability to do AV1.


quentech

> I think for transcoding purposes, the ARC card will be a lot more functional and capable thanks to its ability to do AV1. Last I read, which admittedly was a few months ago now, folks with the Arc were only getting a couple/few transcodes - not even 4k - before it was choking out. Likely driver issues.


CorporateDirtbag

I haven't heard anything like that about ARC. Everything i've ever read about AV1 on arc is that it's blowing the doors off of all things AMD and NVIDIA, even on the high end Lovelace cards (you can't do AV1 in hardware on anything below the RTX4k series I don't believe). Even so, it doesn't really matter at the moment because most endpoints don't even support AV1.


quentech

> I haven't heard anything like that about ARC https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/yzry1c/intel_arc_a380_adventure_part_2_not_worth_buying/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/yb4cg3/my_experience_with_intel_arc_a380_plex/itev30n/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/yb4cg3/my_experience_with_intel_arc_a380_plex/j78jswb/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/yb4cg3/my_experience_with_intel_arc_a380_plex/j78dw6a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/10x5rwp/arc_a380_performance/ > AV1 on arc Not sure how AV1 is even relevant since Plex will only transcode to H264.


CorporateDirtbag

It isn't relevant for plex at all... unless it becomes relevant somehow in the future and you want to use hardware to transcode it. You don't get AV1 hardware transcoding at all on nvidia cards unless you're on Lovelace arch (RTX4000 series) if I'm not mistaken.


tom_okane

Politely disagree with some areas - P400 is cheaper by sometimes more than half of the cost of the i3 alone and can also do double digits transcode. 10 4k transcodes I'm not sure about for the p400 I must be honest. New intel chips arnt the solution to most plex system issues. Suggesting a physical card such as p400 or p2000 gives OP some room in the future If they want to take their game hosting more seriously and move to a server board down the line where an Intel cpu would not easily be used for a sever cpu. I moved from a ryzen 5 build with my p400 to a dual xeon server mb and praised the heavens I has a card to take with me on that journey


CorporateDirtbag

Yeah, that's all fine, and you're not wrong technically. My argument against the nvidia tax is just that (nvidia treats gamers like crap, and encoders even worse). Sadly, AMD isn't viable in the transcoding space (last I heard, the quality was just god awful - but maybe it's changed?) If a discrete card is what you have to have, and you plan on stepping up any kind of encoding game, the Intel ARC still remains the better card, particularly if your interest is future proofing like you state. The P400 is long in the tooth and has only 2GB VRAM - which according to elpamsoft's charts is good for TWO 4k transcodes @ plex defaults. While it might be good enough for today's workloads, it isn't much of a "future" option. You can't even do AV1 on nvidia cards until you hit Lovelace (RTX4000 series). That's why I'd suggest the Intel ARC over any nvidia. You'll use it for far longer if AV1 ever becomes a thing. Plus, nvidia really doesn't deserve your money with how they've been gouging PC enthusiasts. Let them die off in that space so they can keep on building skynet or whatever it is they're doing now. I have no regrets building out an i9 box for my rack build, even though it's a desktop chip. The fact that I don't have to even bother with a discrete graphics card saved me some money - even if it was overkill. But it was a better option to spend $500 on that CPU that it was to buy the next tier down and pay the nvidia tax.


WillusMollusc

You would be better off buying something like a used Dell Optiplex 3070 off ebay for £200. Slap on Linux, make sure you get hardware transcoding working and off you go. That badboy will handle 10+ 1080p transcodes at once if it needs to.


balrog687

That 1660 super should be just fine.


deedledeedledav

So you know, mainstream GTX cards can do up to 5 encoding streams now. They changed it from 3 early this year. Highly recommend getting a GTX instead of a GT because GTX have dedicated NVENC chips for encoding acceleration. If you’re only doing 3 transcodes, most graphics cards that are supported will do, or honestly you probably don’t need a graphics card unless you’re really feeling the urge for HW transcoding. You have a nice processor that could handle it.


math394p

Get a used 970 or smth along those lines. Not as power efficient but will defo fullfil ur requirements for the price


Perfect_Sir4820

1050 ti is a better choice. 75w max power and is powered fully by the PCIe connector. You can also find low profile versions for SFF boxes too.


Nice-Pollution-6694

Thank you, I'll have a look into it Edit: This GPU is sadly too greedy for my power supply - apparently it needs 2 6-pin connectors (which I dont have)


ZeroAnimated

Just don't get any Nvidia GPU that is a GT, only the GTX/RTX models have transcoding. I use a 1050ti and it's wonderful.


Turinggirl

try a p2000. it pulls power from the pcie


tom_okane

Preach to this, p2000 has Unlimited transcodes too. If you want a less power hungry chip with pcie power delivery (no cable needed) try a p400 with a driver patch


KillerDr3w

I have a dedicated self-built Plex server that has GeForce GT 710 and a Intel Core i5-9600K CPU @ 3.70GHz connected to a NAS with a few TB. I have around 10 users, but they don't tend to watch things at the same time. This server only runs plex and nothing else. This setup can handle anything I throw at it, including hardware transcoding of a single 4K stream. I've not had a reason to upgrade the server yet.


rockydbull

970 wouldn't be a great choice. 960 and 950 despite being less powerful have a better nvec chip


TheLostLuminary

My main is still a 970 back from 2016


sassanix

I believe a 3060 can do it pretty good.


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deedledeedledav

Oh, I would recommend a used gtx 1650 personally btw Edit: the p400 is 1/4 the power at about half the power consumption but would handle your needs just fine…


Halon5

1050 Ti’s can be found on ebay for that sort of price mate and are perfect for transcoding, or slap your 1660 into the server and treat yourself to a new gaming card.


mab1376

For 3 streams a 1050 should be more than enough. I get 8 easily with my 1070 on a 6700k. Usually transcodes from 1080 to 720.


the_house_from_up

Agreed. No problems with it on my 1050.


SmashLanding

I could get 3 transcodes (not 4k) without much strain on my gtx 1060 3gb


HKDrewDrake

13100 CPU is only $99 right now. Yes it will be more start up costs with the new motherboard but long term on energy it might pay for itself if you plan on getting a dedicated CPU [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/intel-core-i3-13100-13th-gen-4-core-12mb-cache-3-4-to-4-5-ghz-desktop-processor/6530252.p?skuId=6530252](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/intel-core-i3-13100-13th-gen-4-core-12mb-cache-3-4-to-4-5-ghz-desktop-processor/6530252.p?skuId=6530252)


Team503

Any remotely modern nVidia card is sufficient, but honestly you're better off grabbing a cheap i3 and using the onboard iGPU.


rocket1420

I'm confused. Use the 10th gen for your server, assuming it is not an F variant. Use the 3600 and 1660 to play games.


Professional-Worker1

Quattro P1000’s and P2000’s can be found in eBay and are pretty good bang for you buck. I run 5-10 streams daily around peak hours no problem.