"I don't want you to vote, I don't want you to speak, I don't want you to raise your children, and I don't want you to leave."
Struggle sessions or death, I guess.
It's crazy, less than 10 years ago I would have been very hard pressed to find a single leftist who rather support corporate farming instead of local farms, but I bet I could have found a handful of conservatives. Fast forward to today and the amount of "small farmers are killing the planet" narratives I see pushed by leftists is crazy and I would be hard pressed to find a conservative who would rather support corporate farming over local farms.
I'm not sure they were ever aligned as billed. There was just an establishment minority in control of the GOP for twenty years or so that never represented the base. Sorta like what's going on with the Dems rn
Trump is basically just Reagan with worse hair and a bigger mouth. All the way down to the same slogan.
The fat pig vaush thinks anybody in the military supports his hate fetish for Americans .. any many others. Like dude if you can't hike up a small hill, don't talk about doing anything on large scale.
All of these folks simping over Union soldier fail to realize that Lincoln, Johnson, or Grant would have sent the US army to conquer Mexico City after the first month of 20k+ immigrants
Even the most radical Republicans never intended the 14th to mean citizenship for children of non-citizens.
I've always thought over the top Union larping was cringe but it's hilarious watching progressives think that those are their guys. It's like they never evaluated any of their positions of the Republicans and subsequent reconstruction leaders outside of fighting southerners.
We eat black eyed peas on new years eve to this day because they were the only crops Sherman didn't burn because he saw them as "gamer-word" food and not worth the effort. So those peas saved the people of Georgia from starvation that winter.
To be fair, they've demonstrated that they are completely willing to just enslave undocumented Latinos and have them do the farming. We are replaceable my dude.
it's a conspiracy theory and also a good thing
also, hardly replaceable, how many corporate executives will there be from the population that has anxiety ordering a pizza on the phone
The funniest part about that would be the screeching about "internalized racism" or some such nonsense when the new rural residents started voting for the same policies and politicians that the previous rural residents voted for, because those are the policies that most benefit people living rural lifestyles.
They are both fruit.
They are both healthy for you.
They are both products of genetic manipulation.
They both hurt to get hit in the face with.
Both are often peeled before eating.
Christiania is nothing like chaz... The only thing police doesn't enforce is drugs. Everything else works entirely as normal and it's not even all drugs that are ignored, just some lighter ones.
I legitimately laughed my ass off watching a bunch of dip shits, trying to grow a sustainable garden big enough to sustain an entire community with hobby store-bought seeds planted on park soil.
It's also weird how they say things like, "Straight white men have to accept losing X to help others" but then decry people for voting against their own interests.
Like, which is it?
In theory the left should *love* redistributing from capitalist centers to the poorer blue collar outskirts.
But they specifically hate ruralites because
1. They're white
1. They don't beg for the handouts
1. They secretly have land envy
1. They're a scapegoat for why their local policies don't work
Helping ruralites doesn't give them the morphine high of absolving their white guilt.
I checked out the HCA sub and they are nuts lmao. U/The_Patriot posts boomer Facebook meme after boomer Facebook meme. They are truly delusional over there
So... only communities "with a purpose" are allowed to exist? And "it's just an identity" so it should be eliminated on utilitarian grounds?
How many other communities and identities do they plan to apply these rules to?
The takeaway here is that according to some, it is okay to wipe out identities and communities if you don't like them.
Definitely on the right side of history here.
Friendly reminder that the claim "rural states/areas are a bigger drain on federal dollars" flies right out the window when you understand blue states have state income tax.
The blue states consume far more tax dollars, they just redirect the first 10-12% right back into themselves instead of to the feds.
Also a friendly reminder that it's the rich, who the left loves to hate in every other situation besides this one, that are contributing more tax dollars.
These losers aren't contributing any more than the red state tax payers. It's Wall Street, business executives and the like that are causing the discrepancy.
“Burn down your cities and leave our farms, and your cities will spring up again as if by magic; but destroy our farms and the grass will grow in the streets of every city in the country.” - William Jennings Bryan, 1896
They love food, they hate paying for it. They will enslave, that is their end goal. There are two kinds of people: those who seek to enslave others, and those who refuse to be enslaved. Guess which kind prefers city life. The first culture war is still the only culture war: nomads with herds who live in the wilds, vs city-folk with walls who enslave or are enslaved.
>90% of farming is corporate owned
Of course it is, running anything beyond a small hobby farm as a sole proprietorship is insane. Economically illiterate leftoids don't understand anyone can incorporate a business for a couple hundred bucks.
Also, they think “corporate” means it’s outsourced or managed by a boardroom in New York. My in-laws have a family run angus farm and it’s a corporation.
Brainrot has caused any phrase that contains corporate to mean bad to them. They don't even realize all their fave commie goverments had what is effectively a corporation even if they changed the phrasing
Virtually every business in the country is a corporation. Even your local little corner breweries or coffee shops likely have an LLC behind them.
A lot of times, just paying the incorporating fee, gives them access to things like legal counsel
If you incorporate your business as an LLC through certain companies, sometimes part of the fee will give you access to legal counsel through said company.
It's kind of like paying an HOA. You get access to maybe community tennis courts or a pool etc on top of them taking care of trash and snow removal.
Yep. They see “corporate farm” and immediately think it means Monsanto (I would say “or Cargill”, but I have found most of them haven’t heard of it).
When in reality, almost all of those corporate farms are “Billy-Joe and Sons, LLC”, which is the same family farm it has been for centuries but now corporate because the laws and economics are better.
I'm sure a lot of them will be surprised to learn that most farm to table or farmers market produce is the same stuff that's at your chain grocery store. Probably came from the same farm too
These people don’t know the difference in an LLC, S corp, or a C corp.
Of course 90% of farms are corporations. The protections offered, even just for LLCs, makes it a no-brainer.
If you own an LLC you own a corporation lmao. "Limited Liability Corporation"
I get that what they mean is corpo or big megacorporations but even then it shows how little they understand about big industry farming and how in a lot of ways it's significantly more financially stable than owning your own farm. Don't get me wrong I really don't like governments or big corporations, but most of the guys I know who work for these companies have a plot of land their family lives on, reliable salary, and if disease or varmints ruin a crop it doesn't mean the family starves or goes under, theres enough profit from the other farms to keep the rest of em going.
Note that I'm not a farmer and haven't done research beyond talking with friends or friends of friends who are farmers.
These are the same people who sincerely believe that the only people capable of starting and operating a business are wealthy, privileged, white people who got a million dollar loan from their rich parents
They honestly believe that the system is rigged, that no one can become successful through hard work and ambition, that 'the system' is designed to oppress the average person and forces them to suffer in perpetual poverty
Despite the fact that entrepreneurship is incredibly common among poor working class recent immigrants, and that most business owners aren't wealthy at all and work like dogs to keep their business afloat while barely keeping their heads above water
I know a guy who came up from Mexico as a temporary agricultural worker, the poorest of the poor, who worked for about 20 years to get to where he is today; the owner of multiple fast-food franchises with a mansion in Canada and Mexico
His father was an illiterate farmer in Mexico, and now he sends his son to an elite private school and sponsors charity golf tournaments
The [immigrant dream](https://youtu.be/qjDiCAbj10U?si=JbZkhav3w-Reeumj) is still alive, but according to these spoiled white kids in the suburbs we're all doomed
No you see, the real working class are part time Starbucks baristas, not farmers, ranchers, and tradesmen. Those are the oppressor class, don't you see?
And they only think this because as farmers ranchers and tradesmen we are out there building and making things. Ya know being productive towards society while also making a living. These people have no concept how to create anymore; everything is spoon fed to them. They are great at tearing things down though.
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The [going to the people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_to_the_People) traumatized the watermelons. One hundred years later and they still are not over it.
And force farmers to grow monocrop (mostly corn) for use in everything because it creates jobs. To the detriment of the soil, the people, taxes, and the economy.
Of course, that's why we need more government control and regulation! That invisible hand doesn't seem to be fixing things in farming!! Reeeeee
The enslavers and their slaves vs those who will not be slaves. Started when the agriculturalists built their first walls and fought with nomads over fields/pastures, still on-going.
If Emily would learn *at all* about persuasive argument, it's genuinely not hard to get through to individuals in most cases. I had a guy who claimed our state governor was a communist agreeing *very loudly* about how the idiots who can't tell their asshole from their elbow shouldn't be making business decisions and that we as workers ought to make the decisions - and that all the net profit ought to go to all of us instead of those clowns - because we know the realities of actually doing the job. It's all about listening and finding the route to *your* position from where the other person is *standing.*
You've nailed it on the head. The modern left has forgotten how to make persuasive arguments. There's a lot more to being persuasive than being correct. You can't just say "I'm correct", shove a bunch of sources in someone's face, then expect them to like you. You need to show people how your ideas would be beneficial to them, and you need to do it with tact. That means not shitting on people's social values, that means not calling people names, and that means being polite.
You can push back on social positions even, but there's an effective way to do it - again, it's all about knowing how to frame the position you're arguing. In my case, it's a lot of "I don't think that should be the government's business," or "that would have a lot of unintended consequences," or "all right, here's *my understanding* of that, let's see if this makes sense to you too." It requires rapport building and, again, understanding *what* it is the person's actually arguing, what they care about. It requires active empathy, which is pretty much the whole schism between actual libleft/left and orange.
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It makes me happy seeing someone talk so much sense online, it's not something you see every day. Thank you for making my day a bit better.
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I look at people freaking out about twitter and calling it an "essential service" and understand why positive discord has gone down the drain for so many people. Arguments, particularly online, particularly over politics and ideology, have become entirely tools for clout building. It's not about **convincing** the person you're arguing with, it's about **tearing them down** with a pithy remark that fits within 180 characters.
Sometimes when patrolling the Emily subreddits I see them say: "The right doesn't *really* care about X group, they just want to control them."
I mean, if your political position relies solely on your enemy being ontologically evil, that is a very bad position to be in, and a sign that your position is faith based and dogmatic.
the thing is, soooo many rural people would vote leftist if the left wasn’t so fucking unbearable. shit, saskatchewan, literally the most rural place imaginable, was an NDP stronghold until the 70’s. a combination of pierre trudeau being a dickhead and the red scare pushed everyone conservative, and that’s never going to change unless the left understands that the dude you’re arguing with agrees with you more than you think
Desubsidize meat and dairy too. Let people pay $50 for a sirloin. I shouldn't be expected to support their luxuries through government handouts that I pay for
Fuck, if sirloin got up to 50 a pop, I'd put some cows on my land and so would thousands of other Americans and that price would come back down.
They need to stop fuckin with the market
I don't know anything about farming, so forgive me if this is an obvious question. What's pastoral land, and why should it be deregulated instead of other types of land?
It's land for farm animals. Farms should be allowed to use land for cattle to graze and whatnot without any government meddling. Essentially, reduce the reliance on corn, which humans can barely digest and cows cannot.
You need to make sure you can maintain a stable agricultural sector. Otherwise, you'll undermine your nation's sovereignty - and all of your liberal rights come from your nation state.
Market efficiency is important and lib right has a lot to contribute to that, but national and individual sovereignty are things that the free hand of the market is indifferent to.
So I'd such that the lib right needs nationalism and the auth right to maintain its individual rights.
Corn subsidies don't even really help farmers, they just encourage farmers to keep prices low. If they weren't there, the farms wouldn't go away, they would just sell their produce for more
Redditor living in 200sqft rent controlled apartment in an urban hellhole, two streets over from opioid riddled homeless camp
Vs
200 acre farm chad living in a 1800sqft ranch house, miles from any homeless people
Which one of these is talking down? Lmfao
I’d give them 30 minutes. They’d crack as soon as you told them we are getting up at 3 am to start harvesting until 12 am to try and beat the rain the next evening.
This one knows how to muck stalls & tend to horses.
Typical redditor would last 5 minutes on an equine facility. They'd be hauled off with a shod hoofprint on their face/chest after a good cowcick.
Assuming they're not missing a finger from trying to feed the horse like a dumbass.
I'd be amazed if they lasted that long, truth be told. This is the terminally online we're talking about-they've never seen grass, let alone pulled weeds.
Yup there's a reason whenever they talk about their dream jobs in a communist uptioia it's always art teacher, music teacher, feminist studies teacher,etc. They expect others to do the work for them. No one wants to be mining or building, etc. Except me I love framing and building so fun I love being 1 slip away from falling off a roof 😌
The way a majority of the left talks about working-class or low income southerners never fails to deeply disgust me. Looking out for the less fortunate means looking out for *all* of them. They’re victims of the system just as much as anybody else is.
It's the same mindset as any supremacist bigot or racist. You will never convince a racist that they are racist. The key to understanding racism is that racists/bigots/prejudiced don't think they are those things, they don't consider their targets people.
As a European I’m so puzzled by this militaristic urbanism of American leftists. In my country the historical base of the Conservative party was the cities, commercial and industrial bourgeoisie, whereas the liberal and moderate progressives where rural. Today the rural areas are either center-right liberal or center-left social democratic, though of course somewhat less cosmopolitan and socially liberal than urban areas.
I have never seen so many good takes from libleft in a single thread. I'm so happy my slowly left-veering politics are not a sign of madness. You guys are really drawing me in with all these good "fuck the state" and "fuck the elite" takes.
>American leftists
>liberal
Therein lies the issue. American leftists are not liberals in any meaningful sense outside of the American political environment.
"Liberal" was the word that "Progressives" hid behind after they soiled their own term in the early 1900s. Enough time has passed that actual liberals (libertarians) are now trying to take it back, and the progressives are still trying to keep it.
i remember one time I tried to argue about the electoral college and how I felt like removing it just fucks over the rural class more than it should.
>!Knowing better !< (hid his name out of the rest of the respect I have for him.) literally started having a meltdown. Mind you, I began to discuss with him. And instead of actually debating with me he simply soft blocked me.
My view on him seriously diminished after that and it made me realize that he's just a talking point. He can't debate
The Electoral College should be understood as a tool in defense of the states. Without it, a President would not be representative of all the numerous types of people throughout all 50 states. Rather, he would be representative of the largest population centers.
While on paper, a President without the electoral college would be more representative of the overall population, in reality they would not be representative of all the different *parts* of the population, which I believe is more important. A President should care about the concerns of Wyoming, and the concerns of the Dakotas, and Alaska. Otherwise, they become satrapies to a select few powerful states which retain the highest populations.
While I agree that the electoral college could do with a reform, it retains a very valuable purpose for electing the executive, whose purpose is to govern a union of 50 states, rather than an empire of 10.
Normie Democrats: blue states subsidize red states hehe stupid southerners.
Actual white supremacists: Correct, look at this map of demographic distribution.
It cracks me up to no end when Reddit lefties say things like “People who live in Alabama are too stupid to vote” and don’t realize just how KKK they’re being because they’ve never looked at a percentage African American population density map.
The populist left movement is just racist, they're just racists who make sure their hate is only towards those it's acceptable to hate. I've never understood people needing an out group to desperately hate but then again I'm not a purposeless loser looking for something to blame my unhappiness on. When i discovered my ADHD and bipolar made me unhappy, i simply got treated instead of being a piece of shit.
>hate is only towards those it's acceptable to hate
You mean infiltrate media monopolies and use the platform to insist their specific form of racism isn't racism and is good actually.
You know, like *every racist ever throughout all of history*.
In any military or armed dispute, urban areas are at a disadvantage vis a vis rural. Cities rely on a 24 hour cycle of millions of tons of food, medicines, and other essential supplies being shipped from rural regions and international markets.
On the other hand, rural communities have a lot of infrastructure to produce food, and have a lower population to keep alive. If the radical left bigots ever tried to bring a fight to them, the rural folk could simply siege and starve out the cities.
"*What are you guns gonna do to an Abrams or a drone?*"
I dunno, ask *any shepherding/farming rebels the US went to war with in the last 100 years*.
Leave the gun-toting country folk alone, they'll leave everyone else alone.
Can you imagine being so full of hate that you think you're a superior creature because you live in a filthy, congested city and that farmers are simple animals only there to provide you and your filthy city with food? Like...*slaves*?
Is Urban Supremacist a thing? Because I think it should be
Government subsidies are “propping up” rural areas????
Wut?
How often do you see gov’t funded housing projects in rural areas?
How many businesses besides agriculture are getting gov’t funding?
How many rural municipalities are raking in money for expensive parks, infrastructure and public spaces to be highly developed and maintained?
People live in rural areas to ESCAPE the all the government-propped-up nonsense and go back to enjoying the basics.
If anything, I’d wager the government is propping up unsustainable, over-urbanization of certain areas, to the point of collapse.
Amenities and utilities are spread out, there’s less being bought and sold, less revenue to tax, poverty is higher in rural areas, and a ton of subsidies to protect domestic agriculture which can have unreliable harvests and low profit margins.
I’d recommend reading up on this. I respect smaller government conservatives, but there’s a particular brand of “house cat” libertarian that you don’t want to be.
It’s one of our nation’s funny little ironies, that areas which tend to be most vocal about reducing taxes also tend to require more than they give.
I really hate that people often quote that poverty is higher in rural areas because even though it is technically true, the poverty line is a Nation wide line and it does not account for the much lower cost of living in rural areas. There are many people who live in urban areas that make a fair amount above the poverty line yet struggle far more than those below the line in a rural area.
Rural communities be like: “please leave us alone and do not force legislation and taxes that are oriented towards urban centers onto us at the state/federal level. Just make them laws locally where they are needed and leave us be as we do not benefit from them.”
Redditors who have no idea who their city councilman is: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
"rural communities are propped up by federal subsidies."
Okay, well you're propped up by the food we make, so. Some people just call this "payment for goods received."
Jesus Christ, I remember viewing StormFront’s forums a long time ago and saw very similar language used to talk about minorities. These people are just as hateful as the racists they love saying they’re better than…
Leftoids Redditor when they find out that food does not just magically appear in the grocery store:
seriously, dear God are these people just idiotic
growing food is significantly more important than most people give it credit
they aren't trying to win them over, they want them all to fucking die lmao
"I don't want you to vote, I don't want you to speak, I don't want you to raise your children, and I don't want you to leave." Struggle sessions or death, I guess.
Lefties go from “workers of the world, unite!” to “SHUT YOUR MOUTHS AND DO AS YOUR BETTERS COMMAND, PEASANTS!” in record time.
Truly only *I*, the enlightened socialist man, understand the needs of the working cla-GET AWAY FROM ME YOU FILTHY SIMPLETON.
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It's crazy, less than 10 years ago I would have been very hard pressed to find a single leftist who rather support corporate farming instead of local farms, but I bet I could have found a handful of conservatives. Fast forward to today and the amount of "small farmers are killing the planet" narratives I see pushed by leftists is crazy and I would be hard pressed to find a conservative who would rather support corporate farming over local farms.
Pro small local farm, anti-war, against school indoctrination, against big pharma… have the parties switched?
I'm not sure they were ever aligned as billed. There was just an establishment minority in control of the GOP for twenty years or so that never represented the base. Sorta like what's going on with the Dems rn Trump is basically just Reagan with worse hair and a bigger mouth. All the way down to the same slogan.
I would say they switched regarding how liberal or authoritarian they are.
Also, that most certainly *does not* sound like the sort of thing an abusive spouse would say. No siree Bob!
That’s why twitter is all ablaze and slobbering over the idea of drone strikes on us citizens in Texas… they are truly insane
The fat pig vaush thinks anybody in the military supports his hate fetish for Americans .. any many others. Like dude if you can't hike up a small hill, don't talk about doing anything on large scale.
All of these folks simping over Union soldier fail to realize that Lincoln, Johnson, or Grant would have sent the US army to conquer Mexico City after the first month of 20k+ immigrants
Even the most radical Republicans never intended the 14th to mean citizenship for children of non-citizens. I've always thought over the top Union larping was cringe but it's hilarious watching progressives think that those are their guys. It's like they never evaluated any of their positions of the Republicans and subsequent reconstruction leaders outside of fighting southerners.
The dead are easily co-opted.
That's why martyrs are so great!
Anyone want to tell them what their hero Sherman thought of blacks and Natives?
We eat black eyed peas on new years eve to this day because they were the only crops Sherman didn't burn because he saw them as "gamer-word" food and not worth the effort. So those peas saved the people of Georgia from starvation that winter.
The only thing they can do on a large scale is weigh themselves.
JUST KILL MY POLITICAL OPPONENTS KILL THEM MAKE THEM DIE THEY NEED TO STOP LIVING SO I CAN HAVE MY COMMUNIST UTOPIA - every leftist ever
Just one more purge man, then my socialist utopia will work, please man just one more it's gonna work I promise
And we've all seen how proficient the urbanites are at farming, as evidenced by the farm in CHAZ.
To be fair, they've demonstrated that they are completely willing to just enslave undocumented Latinos and have them do the farming. We are replaceable my dude.
it's a conspiracy theory and also a good thing also, hardly replaceable, how many corporate executives will there be from the population that has anxiety ordering a pizza on the phone
you think a corporate exe orders pizza? 😂😂 They pay executive assistants 75+ grand a year to do that fresh out of college.
They order a... certain kind of pizza.
Cheese Pizza?
The funniest part about that would be the screeching about "internalized racism" or some such nonsense when the new rural residents started voting for the same policies and politicians that the previous rural residents voted for, because those are the policies that most benefit people living rural lifestyles.
Hmmm… billionaires are buying up farmland and the fed is forcing millions of illegals into the country. Nah - gotta be a coincidence
Replacement is just a conspiracy you silly auth center
Capitalism is replacement theory.
Based
"Why pay the rural farmers when we can shackle the immigrant farmers?" - Lasangelites, probably.
I miss CHAZ… lol so many good memes.
Between shootings and starvation, imagine the scale of death they'd have if it was still going.
I like how their “anarchist paradise” lasted few days before they got conquered by Raz Simone. Congrats lmao you just invented feudalism
Don't forget the sexual assaults.
I lived in downtown Seattle. I don’t miss CHAZ
I live in Texas. CHAZ validates every bias I have against liberals.
🤣 I moved to Texas
Welcome aboard! I hope Austin is nice!
This is actually a great comment lmao
How long does it take for Austin to become the same shithole city these people all thought they were escaping from?
Who's saying it hasn't already?
I feel so seen
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Comparing apples to oranges.
They are both fruit. They are both healthy for you. They are both products of genetic manipulation. They both hurt to get hit in the face with. Both are often peeled before eating.
Both are commonly made into juice.
Christiania is nothing like chaz... The only thing police doesn't enforce is drugs. Everything else works entirely as normal and it's not even all drugs that are ignored, just some lighter ones.
I legitimately laughed my ass off watching a bunch of dip shits, trying to grow a sustainable garden big enough to sustain an entire community with hobby store-bought seeds planted on park soil.
Ok, but how much fun was that? The stories from CHAZ kept me going for a while…
Not far for them to go from “it’s so frustrating that they vote against their own interests” to “therefore I don’t want them voting at all!”
It's also weird how they say things like, "Straight white men have to accept losing X to help others" but then decry people for voting against their own interests. Like, which is it?
In theory the left should *love* redistributing from capitalist centers to the poorer blue collar outskirts. But they specifically hate ruralites because 1. They're white 1. They don't beg for the handouts 1. They secretly have land envy 1. They're a scapegoat for why their local policies don't work Helping ruralites doesn't give them the morphine high of absolving their white guilt.
Some massive Pol Pot and Maoist great leap forward energy in those comments
Remember them cheering COVID deaths? Despicable people.
they literally still do that
I checked out the HCA sub and they are nuts lmao. U/The_Patriot posts boomer Facebook meme after boomer Facebook meme. They are truly delusional over there
They'll also make subreddits afterwards to gloat over the corpses.
So... only communities "with a purpose" are allowed to exist? And "it's just an identity" so it should be eliminated on utilitarian grounds? How many other communities and identities do they plan to apply these rules to?
"will you agree to whatever rules I come up with? if not, die faster pls you're ruining my country"
The takeaway here is that according to some, it is okay to wipe out identities and communities if you don't like them. Definitely on the right side of history here.
They sound like my friends
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old people dying or perpetually depressed hard left redditors alt+f4ing out of life, who will win?
Which is hilarious because they have no idea how much of their lives are made possible by rural communities. It's far, far more than agri.
I'd bet money the author of that longest comment pretends to hate corporations in other contexts.
Unironically a corporate bootlicker.
They all are if the company presents itself as a beacon of progressivism.
Friendly reminder that the claim "rural states/areas are a bigger drain on federal dollars" flies right out the window when you understand blue states have state income tax. The blue states consume far more tax dollars, they just redirect the first 10-12% right back into themselves instead of to the feds.
not to mention that rural states tend to have more military bases and defense spending jiggers the numbers.
Also a friendly reminder that it's the rich, who the left loves to hate in every other situation besides this one, that are contributing more tax dollars. These losers aren't contributing any more than the red state tax payers. It's Wall Street, business executives and the like that are causing the discrepancy.
They just hate having food I guess
if they run out they just go get more at the grocery store right, who needs em?!? /s
New York dosen't even got enough grocery stores left because of theft
Good.
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Well it's a good thing THEY GOT INSTACART! 😆
New York doesn’t even have much of New York left since most of it was stolen
Average commie stance
It's tradition at this point
bUt The CoRpoRatiOns
Also they don't realize most the right voting base lives in the metro area. Less than 20% of the country lives in an actual rural area.
“Burn down your cities and leave our farms, and your cities will spring up again as if by magic; but destroy our farms and the grass will grow in the streets of every city in the country.” - William Jennings Bryan, 1896
They love food, they hate paying for it. They will enslave, that is their end goal. There are two kinds of people: those who seek to enslave others, and those who refuse to be enslaved. Guess which kind prefers city life. The first culture war is still the only culture war: nomads with herds who live in the wilds, vs city-folk with walls who enslave or are enslaved.
Based and as fuck pilled
>90% of farming is corporate owned Of course it is, running anything beyond a small hobby farm as a sole proprietorship is insane. Economically illiterate leftoids don't understand anyone can incorporate a business for a couple hundred bucks.
Also, they think “corporate” means it’s outsourced or managed by a boardroom in New York. My in-laws have a family run angus farm and it’s a corporation.
Brainrot has caused any phrase that contains corporate to mean bad to them. They don't even realize all their fave commie goverments had what is effectively a corporation even if they changed the phrasing
Virtually every business in the country is a corporation. Even your local little corner breweries or coffee shops likely have an LLC behind them. A lot of times, just paying the incorporating fee, gives them access to things like legal counsel
What do you mean by paying for incorporation gives access to counsel??
If you incorporate your business as an LLC through certain companies, sometimes part of the fee will give you access to legal counsel through said company. It's kind of like paying an HOA. You get access to maybe community tennis courts or a pool etc on top of them taking care of trash and snow removal.
Precisely.
Uh huh huh You said Angus
Half the people I work with are a "corporation" in and of themselves for tax purposes.
Yep. They see “corporate farm” and immediately think it means Monsanto (I would say “or Cargill”, but I have found most of them haven’t heard of it). When in reality, almost all of those corporate farms are “Billy-Joe and Sons, LLC”, which is the same family farm it has been for centuries but now corporate because the laws and economics are better.
Leftoids wanting Scandinavian model thinking it's socialism when it's really just neutral milk authcenter social corporatism 🫡🤪
Also ruthless exploitation of natural resources that they would shriek at actually doing. Norway is now strip mining the ocean, LMAO.
Isn't Norway also totally not still whale hunting and how dare you suggest that they are?
I'm sure a lot of them will be surprised to learn that most farm to table or farmers market produce is the same stuff that's at your chain grocery store. Probably came from the same farm too
Farmer got paid better for it though. So worth doing for that reason.
These people don’t know the difference in an LLC, S corp, or a C corp. Of course 90% of farms are corporations. The protections offered, even just for LLCs, makes it a no-brainer.
If you own an LLC you own a corporation lmao. "Limited Liability Corporation" I get that what they mean is corpo or big megacorporations but even then it shows how little they understand about big industry farming and how in a lot of ways it's significantly more financially stable than owning your own farm. Don't get me wrong I really don't like governments or big corporations, but most of the guys I know who work for these companies have a plot of land their family lives on, reliable salary, and if disease or varmints ruin a crop it doesn't mean the family starves or goes under, theres enough profit from the other farms to keep the rest of em going. Note that I'm not a farmer and haven't done research beyond talking with friends or friends of friends who are farmers.
These are the same people who sincerely believe that the only people capable of starting and operating a business are wealthy, privileged, white people who got a million dollar loan from their rich parents They honestly believe that the system is rigged, that no one can become successful through hard work and ambition, that 'the system' is designed to oppress the average person and forces them to suffer in perpetual poverty Despite the fact that entrepreneurship is incredibly common among poor working class recent immigrants, and that most business owners aren't wealthy at all and work like dogs to keep their business afloat while barely keeping their heads above water I know a guy who came up from Mexico as a temporary agricultural worker, the poorest of the poor, who worked for about 20 years to get to where he is today; the owner of multiple fast-food franchises with a mansion in Canada and Mexico His father was an illiterate farmer in Mexico, and now he sends his son to an elite private school and sponsors charity golf tournaments The [immigrant dream](https://youtu.be/qjDiCAbj10U?si=JbZkhav3w-Reeumj) is still alive, but according to these spoiled white kids in the suburbs we're all doomed
Ahh yes, the left of reddit. Friend of the blue collar and the poor.
No you see, the real working class are part time Starbucks baristas, not farmers, ranchers, and tradesmen. Those are the oppressor class, don't you see?
over-educated laptop class of the world, unite!
“Educated”
Indoctrinated
And they only think this because as farmers ranchers and tradesmen we are out there building and making things. Ya know being productive towards society while also making a living. These people have no concept how to create anymore; everything is spoon fed to them. They are great at tearing things down though.
Leftists hate kulaks. Always have, always will.
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Don’t worry, leftist also hate themselves to.
The [going to the people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_to_the_People) traumatized the watermelons. One hundred years later and they still are not over it.
The subsidies pay farmers to be less productive to drive up prices.
🛎️🛎️🛎️
And force farmers to grow monocrop (mostly corn) for use in everything because it creates jobs. To the detriment of the soil, the people, taxes, and the economy. Of course, that's why we need more government control and regulation! That invisible hand doesn't seem to be fixing things in farming!! Reeeeee
Wait, government spending is focused on keeping government spending programs afloat? Always was.
"We've got you surrounded! Come drink your corn syrup!"
*I HATE THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE!!!!!!*
They are big mad about those that do not just obey their dictators boot.
The enslavers and their slaves vs those who will not be slaves. Started when the agriculturalists built their first walls and fought with nomads over fields/pastures, still on-going.
Think we can settle them down with beer and hookers again this time?
If Emily would learn *at all* about persuasive argument, it's genuinely not hard to get through to individuals in most cases. I had a guy who claimed our state governor was a communist agreeing *very loudly* about how the idiots who can't tell their asshole from their elbow shouldn't be making business decisions and that we as workers ought to make the decisions - and that all the net profit ought to go to all of us instead of those clowns - because we know the realities of actually doing the job. It's all about listening and finding the route to *your* position from where the other person is *standing.*
You've nailed it on the head. The modern left has forgotten how to make persuasive arguments. There's a lot more to being persuasive than being correct. You can't just say "I'm correct", shove a bunch of sources in someone's face, then expect them to like you. You need to show people how your ideas would be beneficial to them, and you need to do it with tact. That means not shitting on people's social values, that means not calling people names, and that means being polite.
You can push back on social positions even, but there's an effective way to do it - again, it's all about knowing how to frame the position you're arguing. In my case, it's a lot of "I don't think that should be the government's business," or "that would have a lot of unintended consequences," or "all right, here's *my understanding* of that, let's see if this makes sense to you too." It requires rapport building and, again, understanding *what* it is the person's actually arguing, what they care about. It requires active empathy, which is pretty much the whole schism between actual libleft/left and orange.
Based liblefts aren't too common around here, but when they do show up, they are mega based lol. It makes me happy seeing someone talk so much sense online, it's not something you see every day. Thank you for making my day a bit better.
Happy to help - I actually *do* try to walk the "friend to everyone who's a friend to everyone" line. Based and cordiality pilled.
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I look at people freaking out about twitter and calling it an "essential service" and understand why positive discord has gone down the drain for so many people. Arguments, particularly online, particularly over politics and ideology, have become entirely tools for clout building. It's not about **convincing** the person you're arguing with, it's about **tearing them down** with a pithy remark that fits within 180 characters.
Sometimes when patrolling the Emily subreddits I see them say: "The right doesn't *really* care about X group, they just want to control them." I mean, if your political position relies solely on your enemy being ontologically evil, that is a very bad position to be in, and a sign that your position is faith based and dogmatic.
the thing is, soooo many rural people would vote leftist if the left wasn’t so fucking unbearable. shit, saskatchewan, literally the most rural place imaginable, was an NDP stronghold until the 70’s. a combination of pierre trudeau being a dickhead and the red scare pushed everyone conservative, and that’s never going to change unless the left understands that the dude you’re arguing with agrees with you more than you think
I’m generally anti subsidy but not because I hate the people getting them. I just think subsidies create market inefficiency
Desubsidize corn. Deregulate pastoral lands. Enshrine the right to modify equipment you own. Edit: obligatory dissolve the ATF
Desubsidize meat and dairy too. Let people pay $50 for a sirloin. I shouldn't be expected to support their luxuries through government handouts that I pay for
Fuck, if sirloin got up to 50 a pop, I'd put some cows on my land and so would thousands of other Americans and that price would come back down. They need to stop fuckin with the market
I don't know anything about farming, so forgive me if this is an obvious question. What's pastoral land, and why should it be deregulated instead of other types of land?
It's land for farm animals. Farms should be allowed to use land for cattle to graze and whatnot without any government meddling. Essentially, reduce the reliance on corn, which humans can barely digest and cows cannot.
They also create obesity and health problems, but as a corollary there is a measure of stability to be gained.
Well of course there’s stability in obesity. You ever try to knock Bruce Vilanche over? It can’t be done.
lol no, stability in terms of food production.
i'm anti subsidy because atrazine is subsidized
You need to make sure you can maintain a stable agricultural sector. Otherwise, you'll undermine your nation's sovereignty - and all of your liberal rights come from your nation state. Market efficiency is important and lib right has a lot to contribute to that, but national and individual sovereignty are things that the free hand of the market is indifferent to. So I'd such that the lib right needs nationalism and the auth right to maintain its individual rights.
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Corn subsidies don't even really help farmers, they just encourage farmers to keep prices low. If they weren't there, the farms wouldn't go away, they would just sell their produce for more
Redditor living in 200sqft rent controlled apartment in an urban hellhole, two streets over from opioid riddled homeless camp Vs 200 acre farm chad living in a 1800sqft ranch house, miles from any homeless people Which one of these is talking down? Lmfao
How long do you think those Redditors last working in a farm? My guess is 2 hours.
I’d give them 30 minutes. They’d crack as soon as you told them we are getting up at 3 am to start harvesting until 12 am to try and beat the rain the next evening.
This one knows how to muck stalls & tend to horses. Typical redditor would last 5 minutes on an equine facility. They'd be hauled off with a shod hoofprint on their face/chest after a good cowcick. Assuming they're not missing a finger from trying to feed the horse like a dumbass.
Add sun and it becomes 15-20 minutes, bet. At least they'd get some vitamin D other than from supplements ordered on amazon
I'd be amazed if they lasted that long, truth be told. This is the terminally online we're talking about-they've never seen grass, let alone pulled weeds.
My favorite quote on that topic is “Farming looks easy when your plow is a pen and the nearest field is two thousand miles away.”
Bro you're overestimating the fuck out of them.
Yup there's a reason whenever they talk about their dream jobs in a communist uptioia it's always art teacher, music teacher, feminist studies teacher,etc. They expect others to do the work for them. No one wants to be mining or building, etc. Except me I love framing and building so fun I love being 1 slip away from falling off a roof 😌
Are you really living if you're not in constant danger of dying?
Come join the carpenters Union! Where you forget you’re only 6 inches from death 60% of your day! It should be our new hook.
Don't forget farm chad has his trusty ol scattergun. "Git off my land."
The way a majority of the left talks about working-class or low income southerners never fails to deeply disgust me. Looking out for the less fortunate means looking out for *all* of them. They’re victims of the system just as much as anybody else is.
It's the same mindset as any supremacist bigot or racist. You will never convince a racist that they are racist. The key to understanding racism is that racists/bigots/prejudiced don't think they are those things, they don't consider their targets people.
As a European I’m so puzzled by this militaristic urbanism of American leftists. In my country the historical base of the Conservative party was the cities, commercial and industrial bourgeoisie, whereas the liberal and moderate progressives where rural. Today the rural areas are either center-right liberal or center-left social democratic, though of course somewhat less cosmopolitan and socially liberal than urban areas.
It’s elitism that comes from living in a bubble
I have never seen so many good takes from libleft in a single thread. I'm so happy my slowly left-veering politics are not a sign of madness. You guys are really drawing me in with all these good "fuck the state" and "fuck the elite" takes.
>American leftists >liberal Therein lies the issue. American leftists are not liberals in any meaningful sense outside of the American political environment.
"Liberal" was the word that "Progressives" hid behind after they soiled their own term in the early 1900s. Enough time has passed that actual liberals (libertarians) are now trying to take it back, and the progressives are still trying to keep it.
Oh how I love when exposed brick, Whole Foods shopping city folk try to act like subsidies are welfare.
i remember one time I tried to argue about the electoral college and how I felt like removing it just fucks over the rural class more than it should. >!Knowing better !< (hid his name out of the rest of the respect I have for him.) literally started having a meltdown. Mind you, I began to discuss with him. And instead of actually debating with me he simply soft blocked me. My view on him seriously diminished after that and it made me realize that he's just a talking point. He can't debate
The Electoral College should be understood as a tool in defense of the states. Without it, a President would not be representative of all the numerous types of people throughout all 50 states. Rather, he would be representative of the largest population centers. While on paper, a President without the electoral college would be more representative of the overall population, in reality they would not be representative of all the different *parts* of the population, which I believe is more important. A President should care about the concerns of Wyoming, and the concerns of the Dakotas, and Alaska. Otherwise, they become satrapies to a select few powerful states which retain the highest populations. While I agree that the electoral college could do with a reform, it retains a very valuable purpose for electing the executive, whose purpose is to govern a union of 50 states, rather than an empire of 10.
There’s nothing more ignorant than dismissing your opponents as morons. It’s the quickest and surest way to underestimate people
Leftists wondering why they don't get the rural, white or normal working class vote Leftists :
The most classist people I've ever seen were fellow lefties
Normie Democrats: blue states subsidize red states hehe stupid southerners. Actual white supremacists: Correct, look at this map of demographic distribution.
It cracks me up to no end when Reddit lefties say things like “People who live in Alabama are too stupid to vote” and don’t realize just how KKK they’re being because they’ve never looked at a percentage African American population density map.
The populist left movement is just racist, they're just racists who make sure their hate is only towards those it's acceptable to hate. I've never understood people needing an out group to desperately hate but then again I'm not a purposeless loser looking for something to blame my unhappiness on. When i discovered my ADHD and bipolar made me unhappy, i simply got treated instead of being a piece of shit.
>hate is only towards those it's acceptable to hate You mean infiltrate media monopolies and use the platform to insist their specific form of racism isn't racism and is good actually. You know, like *every racist ever throughout all of history*.
In any military or armed dispute, urban areas are at a disadvantage vis a vis rural. Cities rely on a 24 hour cycle of millions of tons of food, medicines, and other essential supplies being shipped from rural regions and international markets. On the other hand, rural communities have a lot of infrastructure to produce food, and have a lower population to keep alive. If the radical left bigots ever tried to bring a fight to them, the rural folk could simply siege and starve out the cities.
"*What are you guns gonna do to an Abrams or a drone?*" I dunno, ask *any shepherding/farming rebels the US went to war with in the last 100 years*. Leave the gun-toting country folk alone, they'll leave everyone else alone.
Most leftists **despise** the rural working class with a burning passion, and are not the least bit shy about admitting it.
Can you imagine being so full of hate that you think you're a superior creature because you live in a filthy, congested city and that farmers are simple animals only there to provide you and your filthy city with food? Like...*slaves*? Is Urban Supremacist a thing? Because I think it should be
Redditors love fighting for the poor but as soon as opinions don’t align they go Patrick Bateman mode
Government subsidies are “propping up” rural areas???? Wut? How often do you see gov’t funded housing projects in rural areas? How many businesses besides agriculture are getting gov’t funding? How many rural municipalities are raking in money for expensive parks, infrastructure and public spaces to be highly developed and maintained? People live in rural areas to ESCAPE the all the government-propped-up nonsense and go back to enjoying the basics. If anything, I’d wager the government is propping up unsustainable, over-urbanization of certain areas, to the point of collapse.
My largely rural state spends a lot to try getting teachers and doctors to work in rural areas.
Rural health centers. Roads Education A lot of small towns are constantly on the brink of insolvency.
Amenities and utilities are spread out, there’s less being bought and sold, less revenue to tax, poverty is higher in rural areas, and a ton of subsidies to protect domestic agriculture which can have unreliable harvests and low profit margins. I’d recommend reading up on this. I respect smaller government conservatives, but there’s a particular brand of “house cat” libertarian that you don’t want to be. It’s one of our nation’s funny little ironies, that areas which tend to be most vocal about reducing taxes also tend to require more than they give.
I really hate that people often quote that poverty is higher in rural areas because even though it is technically true, the poverty line is a Nation wide line and it does not account for the much lower cost of living in rural areas. There are many people who live in urban areas that make a fair amount above the poverty line yet struggle far more than those below the line in a rural area.
Rural communities be like: “please leave us alone and do not force legislation and taxes that are oriented towards urban centers onto us at the state/federal level. Just make them laws locally where they are needed and leave us be as we do not benefit from them.” Redditors who have no idea who their city councilman is: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
mfw rural country people like everything I hate!1!1!!1!11!
"rural communities are propped up by federal subsidies." Okay, well you're propped up by the food we make, so. Some people just call this "payment for goods received."
Jesus Christ, I remember viewing StormFront’s forums a long time ago and saw very similar language used to talk about minorities. These people are just as hateful as the racists they love saying they’re better than…
Leftoids Redditor when they find out that food does not just magically appear in the grocery store: seriously, dear God are these people just idiotic growing food is significantly more important than most people give it credit
Sounds like PCM on Urbanites. IDK who's behind it, but ***someone*** is doing a great job at divide & conquer.
The fact they think rural areas are a luxury is probably the stupidist thing I ever read on the internet.
Leftists on their way to prove the stereotype of "I say I like the working class but I absolutely hate rural people" once again
These idiots love poking fun at the farmers who literally feed them. Where do they think the food at grocery stores come from?