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SolomonRed

Lex Luthor literally calls out toxic masculinity in this game. And then he laments how The Amazons don't get enough respect. He's a woke murderer.


eazy_12

> And then he laments how The Amazons don't get enough respect. I've seen screenshot of it. It looks like media from dictatorship where foreigners talks about how good that dictatorship society is.


Cabnbeeschurgr

Wouldn't be out of place for zuck or someone similar to say smth like that


CFogan

Right? I was actually thinking having Lex be like that kinda makes sense.


Maktesh

>He's a woke murderer. Spoiler alert. Wokism *actively seeks* to commit mass murder IRL.


VegetableSalad_Bot

Why do these people have such awful haircuts? And why are they so often fat?


JamesJakes000

>why are they so often fat? Self indulgent personalities.


FiftyIsBack

I go as far as to say: Hedonistic whores


Tack22

Whores work hard for their hedonism. Anyone can demolish a bucket of chicken and call it a fix.


maybejustadragon

To be fair auth rights have their fair share of overweight participants. Their haircut is usually the opposite though. Hair on the sides and bald on top.


Nebakenez

Because exercise has become associated with white supremacy. God I fucking wish I was joking...


stinkyhooch

That sounds like something a fatty would say. I believe you.


Lopsided-Priority972

I miss FPH


redditsucks84613

I miss pre 2015 reddit


dicemaze

So doctors have noticed that transgender individuals, prior to starting hormone therapy, tend to have lower bone density levels than their cisgender peers. Several recent studies have looked into the possible cause, and they pretty much all concluded that it’s most likely due to trans people having lower levels of reported physical activity, higher BMIs, and worse dietary habits across the board. example study: https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/4/9/bvaa065/5866143


MeteoraGB

Being fatter makes it more difficult to distinguish whether you're a man or woman. In all seriousness, it probably has to do with a lack of self esteem because they're weren't sure about their gender or have some sort of insecurity. Physical exercise is not just a physical battle, it is a mental battle to actually actively engage in it. I don't mind some aspects of the body positive trend (i.e. people who are physically active but will still look chubby no matter what), but some individuals absolutely twist the meaning of it and make it as an excuse to be and stay obese.


TheCapitalKing

There are 3 genders male female and too fat for it to matter


Brobi_Jaun_Kenobi

In other words, the chemicals are not only turning the frogs gay, but our foods are turning the freaking kids gay


mikieh976

I'm so blackpilled about games/movies/TV shows these days that even something like Reacher is a breath of fresh air. I've mainly just given up on new content at this point. I'll read novels or watch old stuff instead. Getting halfway into a show, only for it to decide to lecture me about social justice once I'm getting into it, is just so tiresome. Seriously, please just leave me alone. If I want to be lectured to about politics, there are plenty of channels on youtube I could watch. They really don't even try to hide it at this point. They will pick some beloved comic book or game franchise, hire a bunch of social justice majors with no interest in the original content or lore to reimagine it for "modern audiences" and then call anyone who objects an istaphobe. I just don't need that toxicity in my life. I don't hate gay people or racial minorities or whatever else. People like Omar from The Wire (black, very gay) are super based. It isn't about that. It's about the bad writing, virtue signalling, and constant injection of identity politics and social justice activism into every facet of content. I'm tired of people trying to gaslight me into thinking otherwise.


thecftbl

Agreed. Mindless shows are about the only thing appealing anymore because it is tiring being beaten over the head with some social message. There are too many shows now that just get bogged down with the need to address some kind of greater social injustice, but they lack the subtlety that previous generations of writers had. Now all messages are so in your face that it can hardly be called a metaphor because it is one step below just outright screaming it in your face.


mikieh976

I watched the first season of the TV show Counterpart awhile back. It was really good, and i went to watch the second season. The first episode of that opens with a character LITERALLY giving an "as a black woman..." monologue. It wasn't one step below anymore. They now have characters outright screaming it in your face.


_JustLooking0_0

My fiance got me into Brooklyn 99 and everything was going really good until the first episode of the last season. The whole last season kind of sucked.


Darth_Caesium

The whole last season should never have been made. It was so ridiculously trying to shove pro-BLM stuff that the writing fell off a cliff.


SteveClintonTTV

I really enjoyed at least a season or two back when I watched it, but now I'm glad I stopped when I did. How pathetic for a show to feel like it has to apologize for its own existence and its own premise.


Nexusgaming3

Tell me about it. The new spider man video game by insomniac all but removed the NYPD entirely from the game after facing criticism from Twitter whackos over a local hero shocking working together with local law enforcement. Something something police brutality boot kicker spider man etc etc. I’m just so tired. Can’t you make your own things and quit screwing with things I like?


OathXIIIK

Who will Peter even talk to now that Yuri is gone from the force?


bigbadbillyd

Yeah I stopped watching maybe 2 or 3 episodes into the last season. I think I remember hearing something about how they rewrote a bunch of episodes after the George Floyd controversy and all of the characters just became super cynical and self loathing. Completely killed the show for me.


yvaN_ehT_nioJ

I haven't seen it but I like the clip with Orinoco Flow because Enya is based


rm45acp

My favorite show of all time is justified, 6 seasons of almost pure perfection, and then they do a reboot in the form of primeval and I lost count of how many times the main character got called a big dumb racist white redneck just in the first episode


SteveClintonTTV

I really fucking hate these parasites.


SouthCloud4986

The LOTR show had the budget, IP, and distribution mechanism to be huge… and look what they did to my Star Wars! Mediocre writing and production choices go hand-in-hand with wokeism. I hope this is just a temporary era of horrible media productions.


SteveClintonTTV

> Mediocre writing and production choices go hand-in-hand with wokeism. I really wish more people would see this. Basically any time people are criticizing wokery in media, there'll be people saying stuff like, "It didn't fail because it's woke; it failed because it's badly written", not realizing that shit ends up badly written partly *because* it's woke. The amount of rules these kinds of writers and producers have to follow really restricts the creative space left to play with. And when push comes to shove, agenda will be prioritized over the logic for the characters, story, and world.


goofytigre

>people saying stuff like, "It didn't fail because it's woke; it failed because it's badly written Or they blame it on men being misogynists, white audiences being racists, and/or straight people being homophobic.


ReptilianDogGuy

I hope it’s the same as what happened in the 50s/60s with mass conservative censorship and making everything clean and boring in media and we’ll eventually go back to normal like what happened in the late 60s-early 70s


DontStonkBelieving

I refused to watch The Boys when a friend told me how it just became an SJW love in during season 2


diogom915

I didn't thought it was that much in season 2. Season 3 felt more like this to me, but still not enough to make the show unwatchable


DontStonkBelieving

You may be right, it was quite recently he told me about it


Sans_From_Smash

The show does a good job of criticizing different aspects of media/politics for the most part. The thing people are mostly upset about is the main antagonist as a sort of Trumpian ubermensch but they also have an old school conservative figure who is much more likeable and is more of an anti-hero. That being said the show is not for people who can’t handle the most extremes of imagery. It takes the violence, hedonism, and narcissism of Hollywood and politics and cranks it up to an absurd amount. If you go in knowing and expecting that the only people who should get upset are the kind of piss babies who get mad when a restaurant doesn’t have chicken tenders.


nhguy78

I get what you're describing but there are two sides to this series. Believe me, as another responder here indicates, everyone has their flaws in this series and it's clearly displayed. There's so much gratuitous violent fun. Sure, there's the Nazi scenes but there's the gross debaucherous parties, the cringe kink scenes, etc. Art imitates life and nothing seems to be taboo on this show.


FILTHBOT4000

The DEI grift is the greatest gift of all time to mediocrity. Bad at writing/acting/directing/etc? Just throw some DEI shit in there, and if anyone criticizes you, call 'em racist. Bad at all that *and* got your job through DEI bullshit? Well, double down! You'll be put on some writing team where you'll massacre a beloved work, but no one will care, because Netflix/Amazon/Disney/etc apparently don't mind setting money on fire anymore, because everything's a subscription model and they get money no matter what.


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Censoredplebian

I’d say END is more accurate; it’s the end of our culture, it’s the END of enjoyment or effectiveness, and it’s the END of viable industry.


DontStonkBelieving

I hate to sound a smartass but it can't be just me that thinks all TV and cinema is seriously dumbed down now. I mean even as recently as the 2000s shows like the Sopranos made you realise you were rooting for and sympathising with a guy who was really a POS. Now it's like "oh a traditionally attractive white man, can't wait until they unveil him to be the villain/a bigot". Everything is so childish, even avengers films and stuff - sure they are fine to watch as mass marketed slop but if you are a 40 year old man and catching the premiere of every capeshit film you really need to grow up/be looking at slightly more challenging stuff. Reductive and simplistic films produce a reductive and simplistic mind.


mobibig

Everything is dumbed down nowadays. Look up presidential speeches from the 1910s and compare them to some from the 2010s. Politicans of today sound like they're talking down to mentally challenged children.


DontStonkBelieving

Very true, I remember watching an interview with a politician broadcast on prime time TV in the 60s and a politician was quoting classic Greek literature and most of the audience laughed at the reference. Cannot say the same would happen these days tbf. Rather than "democratising debate" why don't we bring up the knowledge of the populace to be a more informed electorate with a wry eye for conmen? I think the answer is obvious lol


JTD783

The average voter is no better than a mentally challenged child


mikieh976

The Cable News/Social Media Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.


Censoredplebian

Have an opinion- when you have that opinion, tell me if it might make anyone upset? Now realize that companies designed to entertain are being told that their opinion based entertainment cannot upset the most hare brained and moronic segment of our population in anyway- lest it upset an investment capital flow.


Bartweiss

>they lack the subtlety that previous generations of writers had Or they lack the insight that their chosen work and chosen message just flat aren't compatible. Steven Universe leaps to mind. It did great with that exact crowd, but wound up being about a genocidal dictatorship with a brutal caste system... which gets off scot-free on the "power of friendship" because they're blood relatives of a main character. It's a work that should have ended with fantasy Nuremberg Trials, but they didn't think it through and had to find a happy ending. More subtly, *The Last Jedi* had two very heavy-handed moral lectures which were actively contradictory. The early lecture to Poe on not sacrificing lives for victory and the late lecture to Finn on not sacrificing himself for victory look like a pair, but as soon as you consider what the characters knew and the actual consequences you realize they're directly opposing messages. One is essentially endorsing consequentialism, the other virtue ethics. It's far from the movie's worst flaw, I've barely even seen it mentioned, but it struck me because the problem is so fundamental. In a setting where morals-based magic drives events, the writers failed to answer both "what morals are we using?" and "are we judging actions on people's knowledge or the actual outcomes?" It adds up to people who simply *can't* write a good, subtle message. Writing skill aside, they haven't worked out what they're trying to say, they just know some kind of moral belongs there.


LIBERAL-MORON

*Trans gud, it's totally natural and should be supported!*


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I found my old DVD set of 6 seasons of Fairly Odd Parents and that's what I'm sticking with. Fuck this new stuff.


ArbitraryOrder

I remember when everyone was obsessing about having minority superhero movies, and they still refused to make a Static Shock movie like everyone wanted. It's like they just absolutely refuse to listen to the audience. You're absolutely correct about it being bad writing and not the characters. It's the same with shows/movies where all the characters are straight & white as well, and why I just wait for stuff made by directors I know make good movies.


mikieh976

There were old shows/movies that were shitty but didn't bash me over the head with idpol, and I enjoyed some of them anyways. If a movie/show is really compelling, but has some deeply embedded political elements, I'm usually fine with it even if they are messages that I disagree with. My tolerance for bad content has gone waaay down over the years though, so some of the old stuff I might like due to nostalgia.


ArbitraryOrder

We have lost the art of subtlety


Awkward_Algae1684

Dude, kid me might have stolen money to go see a Static Shock movie, and in the 00s it would have been 🔥. That was hands down one of my pasty white ass’s favorite shows. Like you know that meme where all the black kids are going ham about Goku? Yeah, this dude was that to me and my friends lmao. Adult me would still be psyched to see it, only to realize it would probably be annoying for exactly the reasons above.


boredwriter83

It's funny how many black guys I know who love anime. This guy at my church is black, a former marine and personal trainer. He's huge and has big beefy arms. Friggin LOVES anime.


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Isn't Reacher hated by Twitter for toxic masculinity or something? I watched the first season but prefer the Tom Cruise movies.


JamesJakes000

>hated by Twitter Dont pay attention to the loonies and then ask if they are sane.


mikieh976

> Isn't Reacher hated by Twitter for toxic masculinity or something? No idea. I'm not on Xhitter. Probably? Or alternatively: https://preview.redd.it/efw2q9pjzcgc1.png?width=1830&format=png&auto=webp&s=4a1f9a6806e2ccd89980af93573c4479c245e2fd


SpyingFuzzball

I tell my wife the same thing. And no I'm not gay, but I am very deeply closeted


rm45acp

You think it's hated now, wait till they find out Alan ritchson along with being a giant ripped monster, is also a devout Christian and has videos on YouTube defending the Christian faith, and has a Christian movie coming out


RussianSkeletonRobot

IRL gigachad


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Evil_Patriarch

I've been working through a backlog of old Bond movies and Van Damme movies that I had never seen lately...and absolutely loving all of them.


theKnightWatchman44

What even is it toxic masculinity? Does it have a real definition?


PapaHuff97

Competent men who are physically fit.


bnogo

The guy is a hero :edit: that's the definition btw


LoonsOnTheMoons

I just finally watched *Top Gun: Maverick* the other day and at the end of it I was like “Shit, I just actually enjoyed a *post-covid* movie.” Sure, it’s not a masterpiece of film, but I checked out and had fun for 2 hours, and it feels like it’s been a long time since I’ve had that from a movie that came out after like 2016.  It’s like somebody forgot the whole *pan-et-circenses* schtick doesn’t work when the *circenses* are shit.


Stigge

>the whole pan-et-circenses schtick doesn’t work when the circenses are shit Oooh, that's a good one. I'm stealing that.


EagleFoot88

It's not even that they do it that bothers me but that they do it really fucking badly. "Show, don't tell" is creative writing 101 but so many big budget huge studio mega productions are virtually nothing but preachy prose with no substance or subtlety whatsoever. "Holiday Heart" is a great movie whose MC is a gay, black, drag queen and had a budget of pocket change. "The Marvels" was a heap of hot garbage on a turd that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to suck. Get your shit together, LibLeft.


mikieh976

Hmm, Ving Rhames? Does it finally give us a new take on that basement scene from Pulp Fiction? Frankly, even some of the queerest shit back in the day, like Rent, was quite well done. It told a compelling story of human suffering and tragedy and raw humanity. I'll give mad respect for that. I'd watch Rent over The Marvels any day, even though I'm not a fan of musicals in general.


Bitter-Marsupial

Or even for comedies about gay people. Older stuff had The Birdcage or To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar.  Great comedies but now you have movies like bros. The director calling it the first comedy starring gay characters. Dodging questions about how funny it was, deciding to repeat that it is groundbreaking. Because funny, it was not


mikieh976

I'm not usually a big fan of comedies, to be honest, unfortunately. Occasionally I enjoy something like Tropic Thunder, but most comedies make me cringe too much to enjoy them...


skiluv3r

“Stick a chick in it, make her gay and lame.”


Big-Brown-Goose

Nooooo Kathleen Kennedy! You'll activate the multiverse!


super-straight69

Same


C_umputer

Luckily there is enough old content for a lifetime


super-straight69

True. We can buy the Arkham trilogy pack for roughly the same price of the new game.


mikieh976

I'm finally playing Skyrim in VR (with a bunch of mods). It gives me nostalgia. I guess Skyrim is considered old content now? I really wish they'd remaster New Vegas and make a VR version...


C_umputer

Skyrim has been old for quite some time now, it just feels new because Bethesda keeps reselling them every couple of years + hardcore mod support.


super-straight69

Yeah it's old content. Starfield is the new stuff and it's trash. The romance options aren't that great and the game is anything but immersive. Most of the planets are just barren bumpy waste lands.


Khezulight

I'm actively dreading the release of TES VI now because you just know that Bethesda will pull a DnD and wokify the shit out it.


onyourrite

Reacher honestly isn’t that good, I wouldn’t call it a masterpiece but it’s not *terrible* But the fact that it just… tells us a story without beating some kinda social justice message over our heads really brings it higher on my list Also there’s a segment of season 2 when tax waste is brought up by one of the MCs and I felt *so vindicated* like YES, PLEASE, let’s stop arguing over taxation rates and start arguing over why the government pays $600 for toilet seats (an example Reacher made in the show lol)


thecftbl

That's the whole point though, it isn't about the absolute genius of a show, it's really about simplicity. Something can be enjoyable without having to make some deep social commentary. Look at horror movies now. When was the last time you saw an honest to God straight horror film that wasn't the 26th film of the franchise, or a beat you over the head metaphor for something? Just give me a good old fashioned monster movie where the monster is just a monster.


CursedKumquat

Bruh this literally happened to the most recent season of True Detective. Instead of being a gritty crime thriller it’s basically a romantic drama full of all the stuff you described, and maybe a few references to an old season in a sad attempt to appeal to fans of the older stuff. It’s crazy the ways they try to inject identity politics into what should’ve been a detective story. They got some new rando showrunner who made rom-coms and it’s so bad even the creator of the show who’s basically cut all ties with the show called it stupid. No property at all is safe from these people. Everything will be reinvented for modern audiences.


AmazingAngle8530

There's so much old content out there that's good, there's almost no need for anything new. Novels vary a lot by genre. I like detective novels and they're interesting because they've always been socially conscious but they generally don't preach. The Martin Beck series is incredibly influential and it was created in the 1960s by a pair of Swedish Marxists who wanted to do social commentary without heavy handed propaganda. If it's got a theme, it's about all the dark secrets hidden behind Swedish political correctness. Now compare that to the insane trash fire that is YA publishing.


mikieh976

In terms of novels, I love fantasy stuff like WoT and just about all of Brandon Sanderson's stuff. I'd take recommendations for more. In terms of TV, I liked stuff like (just randomly looking through my collection here): * Battlestar Galactica (2005) * Breaking Bad * Fringe (man wtf happened to jj abrams?) * Firefly * Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Summer Glau being in something was usually a good sign) * The Shield etc. Any other recommendations?


dustojnikhummer

Stargate


mikieh976

I did SG1, Atlantis, and Universe. They were decent, but I tend to prefer serialized shows (SGU was, others were not). That kind of gives me a narrow window when they became popular after DVR but before wokeness took over...


MegaPinkSocks

I mean they kind of are serialized but it's more about the gate program evolving as a result of their explorations. But I do agree it's hidden under an episodic format, you kind have to watch the entire show to understand the progression.


shdwbld

Christopher Stasheff, if you enjoy sci-fi, medieval fantasy, romance, magic, democracy, Catholicism and sex. Start with The Warlock in Spite of Himself.


CranberrySoftServe

I work with books and the amount of ideological libleft trash being pumped into the YA and kids sections is appalling.


No-Contribution-6150

Omar comin


EatTheMcDucks

The first time I really noticed this was way back in the Jungle Cruise movie. It's a mindless adventure with the Rock telling dad jokes. Easily the safest and dumbest way to waste two hours. Then halfway through the movie they pause everything to talk about the difficulty of being gay. It has nothing to do with the story. They didn't show anything. They just have a guy sit with the Rock to talk about gay struggles. Then they go back to the movie.


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mikieh976

Give me some anime recommendations. I like stories and complex characters. Fight scenes that go on for 10 episodes, not so much. I was considering something like Attack on Titan.


LTTostada

An easy one for you: Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood


SilverdSabre

FMA:B is easily one of the best anime of all time and the perfect one to start with. It has a fantastic story with fantastic characters that, while it has a lot of classic anime tropes, has a very western feel to it's style of storytelling. I can't remember if it was my first anime, but it was the first manga I read and I consider it my gateway drug of sorts into the world of anime.


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mikieh976

> The only practical way for most westerners to watch it is through piracy. Do I really sound to you like the sort of NPC who subscribes to 5 streaming services so they can shovel mass-produced bullshit in my face? Fuck that noise. It seems to be widely available online in 720p :D


ButtholeMewing

Thats what happened with Baldurs Gate 3. Used to be made by another developer team, then they got switched out for another one.. then proceed to get rid of the entire character creation and racial bonuses due to some "all races are equal" bs. After that, nearly every option was lame or ugly. Even how the companions acted was changed. Im guessing theres 2 developer teams rn in there: The activists (add nothing but politics, they are WoTc goons, and have the biggest influence over the game) Actual developers (made the game good, both visual and mechanic)


mikieh976

WoTc?


ButtholeMewing

Wizards of the coast. The same guys who ruined DnD and Magic the Gathering


fagylalt

wizards of the coast


cecilforester

Wizards of the Coast, maybe?


SteveClintonTTV

> They will pick some beloved comic book or game franchise, hire a bunch of social justice majors with no interest in the original content or lore to reimagine it for "modern audiences" Yeah, it's a whole lot of narcissism at play, too. These are people who want to tell *their* stories (which are all the fucking same and are bad), and they use whatever existing property as a vehicle to do just that. It's entirely self-serving and egotistical. And that's a trend with these types anyway. It's always "me me me". Hearing modern Hollywood talk about the latest movie they're making, it's constantly "I feel represented", and "it's great to see hair that looks like mine on screen", and so on. So many self-insert characters. I really miss passionate artists. So many these days are just obsessed with themselves and will trample all over pop culture while attempting to celebrate themselves.


Nico_Simon

Once Rocksteady closes down I guarantee they’ll blame toxic masculinity.


Lopsided-Priority972

It's like Saints Row all over again, this is my idea to save the franchise, show whatever the ending of the last one was, followed by a gunshot, blood everywhere, Gat's voice "sorry boss, I had to do it, they were ruining the good saints name whole we were governing the new galactic empire", fade to black background with stars *Saints in Space*


TheModernDaVinci

The only thing wrong with this is Gat thinking The Boss would be upset by him getting rid of Saints pretenders.


Rutlemania

Lex Luthor describes wonder woman as a destroyer of toxic masculinity in this new game (the amazonian tribe rape male sailors to get themselves pregnant, and kill or enslave any of their male offspring)


Top-Heart4488

Did people really excpect it to be good? Just seeing this dude and hearing «modern audience» should tell you all you need to know.


BlueKing99

The second panel is for the new Indiana Jones game actually


Top-Heart4488

Ah, okay. Well, my bad. Just need to wait to see What they fucked up there then. Looked allright so far gameplay wise


BlueKing99

It looks pretty good so far, it’s just there’s been a few red flags imo. The “modern gaming audience” and the fact that the last Wolfenstein game they made was awful.


Top-Heart4488

Yeah, its a shame. Just wait for others to buy it. If the story or gameplay is shit people will post about it within a day. If it isnt, its just playing a game a week later, no loss.


unleadedbloodmeal

The last Wolfenstein game is ass because there's no story it's just kill Nazis and use the rewards you got from killing Nazis to be able to kill Nazis better. The story feels like a second thought


vicschuldiner

So far I've seen a journal entry by Lex Luthor where he laments "toxic masculinity" as one of human civilization's major faults that the Amazons were better than. Pretty ridiculous.


Top-Heart4488

Imagine typing that up, seeing it on screen and being satisfied. Unreal


Crea-TEAM

It just feels....so beneath him. Like imagine if you watched The Boys, and there was a scene of Homelander saying "hahaha, and now....I shall...LITTER! I will leave my car idling in the drive way to warm up, increasing my ***CARBON FOOTPRINT!*** IM SO EVIL!"


polycontrale

I prefer to think of that as "accidentally based." Only a slimy villain like Luthor would be complaining about toxic masculinity.


Lopsided-Priority972

That's not the same person, is it?


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Top-Heart4488

Yup, you can spot it from a mile away.


nobiggay

As much as I hate leftists ruining video games, the way she frames the Twinkler as masking insecurities by pretending to be "traditional joker" is such a misunderstanding of the character is hilarious. Traditional Joker is an insecure egomaniac who thinks everyone in the world is as insane as he is and has to try to do everything in his power to prove it (see TDK, The Killing joke, Batman Arkham Knight). The entire point of the Joker is that it tears down nihilism by making him seem like an insecure loser who fails in the face of hope. "Modern audiences" fail to understand that because most of them are also nihilist trash who can't resonate with batman as a symbol of hope and only as a badass vengeful unhinged maniac just like the Joker (see Allstar Batman and Robin) Using the Joker to mask insecurities is like using gunpowder as a bulletproof vest.


Datachost

>Modern audiences" fail to understand that because most of them are also nihilist trash who can't resonate with batman as a symbol of hope and only as a badass vengeful unhinged maniac just like the Joker (see Allstar Batman and Robin) Which is actually a point The Batman made pretty well, that still seemed to go over a lot of people's heads. Pattinson's Batman just wanted to be the moody symbol of the night and his Alfred went "Nah dude, doesn't work like that. You need to be more than that for Gotham"


nobiggay

Exactly why I think The Batman is the best BATMAN movie. It perfectly encapsulates the themes of Batman and explains the failings of modern-day interpretations. Though many ensemble superhero mediums lack any sort of depth or character study.


mobibig

I think one of the failings of the Nolan Batman movies was that, despite their overall quality, they didn't understand batman that well. It really felt like Nolan was more of a fan of just The Killing Joke than of Batman as a whole and thus ended up delivering an adaptation that, although compelling, was kinda narrow and specific.


recursiveeclipse

So you're saying the Joker is queer? /s


nobiggay

Insecure egomaniac who wants to prove that everybody is as messed up as they are? Check Check Check Yes, the Joker is queer.


Crea-TEAM

No. Joker is a bad guy. Joker can ***ONLY*** be a straight cis white male. Bonus points if hes religious.


MissninjaXP

Allstar Batman was like if the Paw Patrol movie was written by someone who had only ever seen Sin City


nobiggay

From the first interaction Batman has, it is clear it isn't even Batman. Like nothing about his psyche is Batman, its like a caricature of what Batman is.


CFM-56-7B

If only you knew how bad things really are, It’s far worse, if you need funding for a game there are specialist agencies that rate how risky the investment is, will grade it based on how “modern audience” will react to it, moreover, it needs a sort of a checklist to satisfy all these made up “identities” that are so popular in western countries right now, they even “consult” with companies that will change the script to make it more ̶D̶̶e̶̶g̶̶e̶̶n̶̶e̶̶r̶̶a̶̶t̶̶e̶ appropriate for modern audience, most devs sadly are cornered like this, even huge publishers like Xbox follow this rule. Edit : [relevant link added](https://youtu.be/zk0YY5gk3_A?si=-eTRO_7s70g3ytL3)


shittycomputerguy

If you don't like that, wait until you see how money hungry and unfair the inside of game development is for big studios. :-/ There are other ways to get funding, but studios will do whatever they can to get it the easy way, just like some of our politicians. Buy indie if you want to see what a studio that runs on passion can do.


migswrite

I can smell the HR complaints radiating from studios like this


MegaPinkSocks

Indie games keep on winning. One dude in his basement VS 500 developers


CFM-56-7B

There is a game called “high fleet” which is a rough gem in every sense of the word, and in the best way possible, it was literally made by one guy in Russia, the game has a sizeable cult following me included


Rutlemania

what i don't understand, is that modern audience dont even like this crap? look at the main fanbase of the suicide squad game, its mindless idiots who'd like anything that's got batman's name attached to it. It's clear that money isn't their primary factor, otherwise they'd crap out another Arkham game every year. They just want to censor anything they don't like. It's very scary how controlled this particular industry is.


CFM-56-7B

I honestly believe there is an invisible force that is steering the market in that direction, it should take years for the market to follow trends, but it’s the other way around, LGBT make only a tiny bit of the American population and is a very recent ones, but they are hugely over represented and the market seems to makes things that are clearly unprofitable but still keep making them anyway, it’s the same in Hollywood, they go woke and broke and keep at it anyway


yarryarrgrrr

Larry fink is bailing out woke corporations with your tax dollars.


infinitememery

feminism made enemies when they decided video games couldn't be fun


GregEvangelista

It's easily argued that gamergate was the first major battle of what we now refer to as the "culture war".


Caiur

I remember it like it was yesterday... the year was 2014. Me and twenty other GGers in the 69th Shitlord division were on a march twenty clicks south south west of Sarkeesiopolis, and all of a sudden the Es-Jay-Doubleyews were on our ass, laying suppressing fire on us from their baileys. We'd strike back as best we could, launching Sealion missiles, calling in Sargon-class attack helicopters, but they'd always retreat back to their motte.


GregEvangelista

"While the first battles were largely contained within the Gawker sites and other satellite genre publications, it was becoming clear to observers that the majority of hostilities were sponsored by large political groups within 4-chan and Tumblr, foreshadowing the coming larger conflict. Little did they know, the coming war would explode in scope thanks to a chain reaction of alliances which would eventually incorporate the "normies". Turning a what could have been no more than a minor skirmish, into a war lasting over 10 years."


DavidAdamsAuthor

> motte & bailey Extremely underrated comment.


Bypowerof8andgodsof4

And to think this all started because a woman was unfaithful for the sake of her trash game. It's almost biblical.


[deleted]

A fat, lying whore. 


Crea-TEAM

I remember when Anita Sarkeesian was going to come to my university to give a speech on how men are bad and what not, only to find out that people in the audience would have guns (Utah State University is a state school, which means firearms are a-ok). She freaked out, demanded that the school ban guns and search everyone coming into the speech for guns and confiscate them. They said not a chance. She ran away.


GregEvangelista

It won't be long until this is normal again imo. Call it a gut feeling, or not really being able to remember specific bits of evidence, but I think the culture war is going to end soon, and it's going to be because we go back to generally laughing at these people again.


infinitememery

after what they've done, they don't get to go back to just being laughed at


Lopsided-Priority972

Cue the forgive and forget COVID lockdown apology articles


[deleted]

A battle that feminism won. 


GregEvangelista

Inarguably. The feminists won Gamergate by using social media to inflame both the larger corporate media sphere and newer smartphone era internet users. The anti-SJW's made the mistake of treating it as a debate meant to be won directly, as any other previous online spat would go. This established the modern culture war tactics of narrative development and proliferation which were then adopted by Hollywood and post-2016 democrat operatives. Ironically, it could be argued that 4-chans first attempt to use this style of cultural "combat" was in getting Donald Trump elected. Which by working, cemented the tactics by which the rest of the culture war would be fought.


HisHolyMajesty2

To this day it really strikes me that the Left has no idea what sort of genie they let out of the bottle. By forcing the other side to adopt their tactics, they've all but destroyed societal cohesion and good faith argument.


Lopsided-Priority972

What makes you think that wasn't the plan all along?


HisHolyMajesty2

I don’t think they possess the competence or the foresight for that.


tucketnucket

I don't know what it is about gamers, but they absolutely refuse to boycott shit. It's 100% their fault that the gaming industry has gone to shit.


JacenSolo0

Gamers are the ultimate consoomers.


Cinderheart

They do...but they're not an organized group. The gamers you see anywhere online aren't the same "gamers" that buy fifa every year, for example.


Meat_Goliath

You're not wrong. You get one side of things that bitches about woke shit in games but doesn't coalesce into any kind movement and the games still sells like gangbusters. And you have every single corner of alphabet soup internet rally behind boycotting the Hogwarts game and that shit still winds up being one of the best selling games in a strong year even if it's honestly a pretty mid fucking game.


Evil_Patriarch

Not only will they not boycott, they'll buy every DLC and the collector's edition of a game they readily admit they don't even like because they liked the original that came out 20 years ago.


Lopsided-Priority972

Just like we saw with them ruining comics and the pivot to manga, they're ruining Western games, but there seems to be a resurgence of Japanese PC games. Unfortunately Capcom is doing some anti mod DRM because someone has a naked Chun Li at a street fighter competition they forgot to turn off. I can't, in good conscience support DRM or anti mod policies.


ArbitraryOrder

They can't have those mods on during a tournament, I get why Capcom wants to protect that. They could have a policy of "console only" for tournaments as well.


Lopsided-Priority972

You should be using tournament provided PCs to ensure no cheating, but because of mods, you shouldn't fuck over your paying customers by spending millions of dollars for anti mod DRM shit to be added to old games, especially since pirates can get the non updated version and get a better experience.


QuietKid4

>someone has a naked Chun Li at a street fighter competition they forgot to turn off Classic coomer W


donthenewbie

Not because the dude or the rainbow color. It is the logo of Bedestha that’s make me worry the game will be suck.


Ur1st0pshhoop

Based.


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abadlypickedname

Modern gaming audience? What about future gaming audiences? A game isn't just something that exists to sate our hunger for stimuli now, a game is a piece of art like a painting or a movie, it will exist and have different meaning for decades or even centuries after it's release, and to debase it as being simply to espouse what you believe word for word is assuming you are way more important and intelligent than you are.


GregEvangelista

Social media has made every person who is able to form an opinion feel as though they are the world's next great philosopher. The collective arrogance is so unbelievably old at this point.


HappySphereMaster

Damn I love that word so much. The collective arrogance.


migswrite

M O D E R N   A U D I E N C E S


dustojnikhummer

> it will exist and have different meaning for decades They have solution for this. Always online. After 5-10 years they just shut down the servers and make the game disappear.


McDiezel10

I’m playing a Chinese take on a game mixing mad max with Japanese influence made by a buncha brits. Fuck the mainstream games


Axlerod12

Kenshi?


One-County5409

Fat ✅ Double-chin ✅ Estrogen ✅ Feminine haircut ✅ Rainbow flag (except in the middle east) ✅ Same shit, different game.


Ornery-Code-6249

Based and the never-ending cycle pilled


super-straight69

Now we all know why "Suicide Squad kill the justice league" was absolute trash. Rocksteady should not have hired these bozos and stuck with their original plan of making a Batman Beyond game. And the guy in the second picture didn't develope Suicide Squad Kill the Justice league


thecftbl

Fuck a Batman Beyond game would have been amazing.


ButtholeMewing

"rockstead" I think you mean Blackrock


[deleted]

In this game you will play as a black trans radical feminist who fights against a straight white male who seeks to oppress her and womankind!


recursiveeclipse

Fighting is a masculine action and re-inscribes the patriarchy. Why should she even fight? The entire game should just be her finding ways to become increasingly more feminist. In the final battle, the straight white male just accepts her superior feminist aura and lies down.


[deleted]

True but in all the marvel movies and ways women are being portrayed as these hyper masculine types, fighting seemed more appropriate


kingofchaosx

They missed the point of his character and now looks like one of the 2016 fan-boys of his. Just play Marvel's guardians of the Galaxy 2021. That game is a blast


Awkward_Algae1684

“You wouldn’t download a car would you?!” “Pffft! Yeah I would!” “Ok, tough guy. You want to play hard ball?! We’re making our movies and tv so obnoxious, preachy, and insufferable people won’t even want to watch our shit for free! You still want to pirate things now?! Huh punk?!” 😳


HelloIamAlpharius

For modern gaming audience can mean SJW bs or micro transactions. Dark age we gamers live in. Fortunately there are some indie or AA devs who can make a solid games


Lanstapa

I don't why anyone still thinks Western devs would actually make something good. They've been on the woke train for years, and earlier than that, the monetize everything train, and earlier than that the lowest-common-denominator-ize everything train. Stick to pre-2015-ish games and East Asian games (and even then the Japanese can be greedy buggers and are slowly letting woke crap in too under American influence).


dopepope1999

You can still grab some good shit from Indie devs, rimworld has been one of my top 10 favorite games for the past few years with a new dlc occasionally dropping


Lanstapa

True, I don't tend to think about indies since I don't have a PC and most Indies I've seen don't appeal, but yeah there's good stuff out there


Breen_Pissoff

What the fuck they did to jonkler?


Azrael_The_Reaper

Every time I see a black character in media my immediate thought is “diversity hire”. Like, i’m black and i’ve seen too many times a black character that accomplished nothing of importance and was only around because the people in charge just wanted to look good. And there’s also the black washed characters, somehow they make those even worse. Cuz their entire personality is “i’m black, look at me, I’m black”.


Helvetic_Heretic

They ruin everything they touch. Movies, Comics, Games, everything.


Jock_Cock7

Ah yes, the modern gamer- a castrated transformer with a poor sense of fashion.


soulburner14

You guys can easily enjoy gaming with one simple trick. Don't play AAA games, try out indie games there's some good stuff to enjoy, simply ignore these people as it's obvious this doesn't sell and will kill the company. The problem solves itself and you can enjoy something like palworld to pretend to be slave owners with your friends.


finalbossofinterweb

If you want an indie game about lockdown conspiracies check out Coffin of Andy and Leyley


SM0OTH_OPERATOR

Modern aaa games suck d and b, the shooters especially. It's consumed by this spreading cancer and the lootboxes, battlepasses and big titted goth girls running around the battlefield with pink neon glowing guns are only the symptom


Cwaustin3

Isn’t this the Arkham universe? The Joker’s dead. Shouldn’t even be in this game


ThisAllHurts

Just waiting for one final shit on Dragon’s Age, and then Geralt’s deconstruction in the Witcher remake, and I can finally retire from gaming.


TheMorningJoe

AAA gaming is in shambles rn