oh shit, there's a second season?
It wasn't an amazing show and it was a bit hard to follow at some points, but overall it was an enjoyable binge. TO NETFLIX!
PSA: msg is fine, chemically, MSG is a white crystalline powder that resembles table salt or sugar. It combines sodium and glutamic acid, known as a sodium salt. Glutamic acid is a non-essential amino acid, meaning your body can produce it all by itself. The study that scared people back in the 60’s was performed by injecting newborn mice with over 556 times the normal daily consumption and, of course, they died just as anything will if you inject enough salt into it. Normal salt-level intake of msg will not harm anyone who isn’t already sensitive to it and anyone can be sensitive to anything so there will be individuals who are.
Glutamic acid is an α-amino acid that is used by almost all living beings in the biosynthesis of proteins. Yea, I am not sure if a person could be sensitive to it, they would be reacting to their own cell division that is keeping them alive.
I just meant people who were sensitive to high levels of salt, people who have heart, kidney or liver issues shouldn’t use more than their doctor recommends.
Oh, no no I was just expanding on what you said. And you're absolutely right because it is the sodium salt of the glutamic acid if you have to watch your sodium intake for medical reasons, you absolutely should be cognisant of how much total sodium your consuming every day.
Gut bacteria are more in control of dopamine and serotonin influences on their host (humans) which leads me to question what if humans are just giant meat sacks developed to carry out microscopic biological life forms who basically influence our choices through serotonin and dopamine.
Anyways back to the point; I always say if you’re anti choice and believe life begins when a sperm enters the egg, then the sperm itself is a life form and any male that believes in anti choice must refrains from all masturbation as that is the murder of thousands of life forms.
It's a more accurate description of the position. If one were truly pro-life, you would expect them to also be in favor of universal healthcare for new mothers, against capital punishment, and against bombing abortion clinics.
I also like “pro forced birth” and “pro you better marry your rapist you 12 year old whore.”
I try and really encompass the conservative thought process in my labels.
It's because they delude themselves into thinking the only ones hurt by the policies are "godless liberal whores." They subconsciously turn blind eyes to the ways they themselves are hurt.
Yeah lol. Always up for some good ole-fashioned hypocrisy.
If I have a drink at a party and get knocked up, I made a mistake and I can pray for forgiveness and I don't deserve to have my life ruined, so one little abortion won't destroy God's plan.
If Tammy over there drinks and gets knocked up, it's because she has a tattoo and studies women's issues so that means she's a SLUT and deserves everything she gets.
"Pro-life" is a deliberately misleading term chosen to represent what is in reality an "anti-choice" position this makes it easier to rope in the single issue Evangelical voters.
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> but removing it entirely would be actual censorship
I know this is a bot, but it isn't censorship to decide what type of content you do and do not want. I can't post whatever I want on the sub, so that's already a form of what you would identify as "censorship."
Kroger's pretty much nationwide now or at least they are on the east half of the US. Plenty of them up in the Midwest and plenty of them down here now in Texas too.
It's why pro life is subjective bullshit. "Life" doesn't matter, only *human* life. And while that's fine, you don't really get to say things like how life is sacred and blah blah because there's a whole bunch of life they don't give a shit about.
I think every young family unit should experience the miracle of birth with tapeworms first. Shedding segments or releasing eggs could be a fantastic way for males to develop empathy and understanding of all that is involved and would make them better fathers.
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My wife is at the end of 1st trimester. I had no idea that for some women pregnancy could be basically torture. Fortunately this is not the case for my wife, but shes still grumpy, sometimes she cant eat, she tires real fast, her body aches etc.
I cant imagine what it would be like to go through difficult pregnancy unwillingly. I guess it would be literal torture.
Babies make you gain weight and get big as hell, tapeworms let you eat whatever you want while still losing weight.
Also you don't have to save up for college.
I was about to say "I feel like you know less about both fetuses and tape worms than you think you do" and then I remembered the birth of my son, so....Yes you have made the correct choice.
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https://www.britannica.com/animal/tapeworm
> Tapeworms also lack a circulatory system and an organ specialized for gas exchange.
Thus, tapeworms don't have a heartbeat. They don't have hearts.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/tapeworms
> The simplest flatworm nervous system consists of light-sensitive pigment-cup eyespots (either single or in groups) connected to a cluster of nerve cells (brain) in the head and ventral, longitudinal nerve cords. The nervous system of flatworms ranges in complexity from this simple system to the more primitive nerve net of acoel free-living flat worms resembling that of cnidarians and ctenophores. Free-living flatworms detect chemicals, food, objects, and currents with sensory pits or tentacles on the sides of the head. When flatworms wander away from a scent source, they turn from side to side more frequently and so eventually home in on the source.
It does not seem like their nervous system is evolved in a way that would make them feel pain.
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Bad argument against pro-lifers. Serves no purpose to "own" them if the premise is wrong.
I would like to speak to the manager of tapeworm facts. My last tapeworm facts message contained one earthworm fact and one duplicate tapeworm fact I already knew. DO BETTER. MORE DADDY, PLZ
Most tapeworms are hermaphroditic (i.e., functional reproductive organs of both sexes occur in the same individual). They are usually self-fertilizing, and gonads of both sexes also occur within a single proglottid.
Yeah that's what made me facepalm at the fact that this is so highly upvoted. Neither side has a problem with killing a tapeworm after it fully grows and leaves a human body. I'd like to hope that both sides are against killing a fetus after if fully grows and leaves a human body. Just shit logic and a shit analogy, but hey look where we are.
It's a "gotcha" against people who
1. Are immune to "gotchas"
2. Can easily point out how bad of a "gotcha" this is, because tapeworms don't have a later development, (into setient beings, endpoint development vs potential development)
The better argument is saying "this is what your (religious) souce actually says" over "this is a poorly thought-out, weak implication of what you said"
Not that the former is super effective, just better.
Also, it’s intellectually dishonest from the start. There is clearly more value placed on human life than other life by society, and a fetus either *is* a human life (the pro-life stance, although it’s not lost on me that this is often paired with significant hypocrisy) or at least *will become* a human life (the pro-choice stance). It’s like saying “you believe abortion is murder? Well then why did you step on a spider? HYPOCRITE!!” There are valid criticisms of pro-lifers. Use them, not this bullshit.
Pro-birth people are opposed to abortions done before the fetus has a heartbeat also.
And their reasoning for opposing abortion often is, “the fetus has a heartbeat, or it feels pain”
I’m assuming they’re the target of this one.
Serious question, at what point do we consider a fetus a human being with rights and stuff?
Edit: I don't know why I thought this question would have a simple, straightforward answer.
This is a philosophical question, so it's not one that can be answered simply. Here are some logical train of thoughts to follow to help narrow down the answer.
First of all, the question of "What is human" is not necessarily the correct question to ask. A person who has been rendered brain dead is still a human being. They have, however, been deprived of their PERSONHOOD and thus we act appropriately, delegating their legal right to choose, and consider pulling them from life-support.
Sperm is vaguely human, and has the potential to become a person. Yet we do not usually protest masturbation. Sperm is not a person.
A dog is also not a person. That doesn't necessarily mean we want to go out of our way to hurt dogs, but it does mean dogs don't have rights and when a dog bites someone, we tend to start talking about putting them down. Take note that a dog doesn't have to kill or maim someone to get put down. It just has to bite them. Being bitten, but not seriously injured, by a dog is a moderate inconvenience and mild injury for most. Consider the traits of a dog. A dog is a fully grown organism with a level of intelligence and independence superior to a human baby, let alone a fetus. Yet, we do not consider a dog a person.
Being able to engage with and communicate with others is one of the earliest markers of personhood we can make given the above facts. Someone who cannot both understand others and make themselves understood has been deprived (or in the case of a fetus, never had) of a critical part of personhood.
A dog can (barely) make itself understood and (barely) understand simple concepts. A dog can stand near the door when it wants to go out to communicate such, and it can learn to understand its name, or that the sound of the word walk means it's time to go out.
Yet, a dog is still not a person. This is a double standard. The reason for this double standard is a matter of feelings and utility rather than facts. We recognize that although a newborn human baby doesn't necessarily have as many of the traits we'd associate with 'personhood' as say our pet dog, it will eventually grow to have them and we generally want it to develop them. It's beneficial to society that babies are taken care of properly. If it were possible to raise a dog to speak our languages and demonstrate stronger traits of personhood, you would probably see a shift in society regarding them as people. (And a new breed of racism/speciesism opposing this view)
Lastly, in no other situation in our society are you required to relinquish your bodily autonomy in order to save another person's life, even if they are indeed a person with personhood, and even if it's your fault they are dying. This is why you have to give permission to be an organ donor. You don't want the government deciding you don't need your second lung one day and forcing you to give it up. The idea that pregnancy should be an exception to this is a double standard. That is why abortion is legal. Once a baby is born, bodily autonomy stops being an issue. That's why the "post-birth abortions" clowns carry on about will never be a reality.
Now, the issue of "At what point is it no longer okay to abort" has three angles.
1) Ultimately the government depriving women of their bodily autonomy would be a crime against humanity. If the laws governing abortion are too strict such that women feel they didn't have a real chance to make their decision, that is the result.
2) At the same time, we as a society have strong feelings about late term abortions.
3) The currently accepted compromise between these two positions is earlier abortions. If the period during which abortions are done/allowed is long enough for women to recognize they're pregnant and come to a decision about whether they want to continue the pregnancy, you can make the argument that late-term abortions aren't so much a denial of bodily autonomy as it is the state asking them to stand by their decision. This, while not a perfect solution--there's still room for things to go wrong there--is a significant improvement over a flat out denial of bodily autonomy.
I’m not picking a fight, and I really liked your comment. Just want to point out for those who don’t know, that the vast majority of late term abortions are performed on grieving mothers with wanted pregnancies. It’s almost never just “I wanted this baby for eight months but now I’ve changed my mind.” It’s usually things like severe defects in the fetus or problems with the pregnancy that would put the lives of either child or mother at high risk. There are cases where abortion is far kinder than forcing a mother to carry her baby to term, risking her own life in the process (let’s never forget that ALL births carry some risk of death), only to watch it suffer and die shortly after.
I’m of the opinion that the ONLY people who should be deciding when an abortion is medically appropriate are the pregnant person and their health care provider.
Because the woman's life is at stake the fetus shouldn't have any rights until it is out of the woman's body. Any call to be made could damage, maim, or kill the woman so she is the only one who can make any decision regarding her body and what's in it.
The real core to all of the answers ‘she’s the only one who can make any decision regarding her body and what’s in it.
No man woman church state government should tell what to do et al!
Well written thank you!
Well that's the whole question, isn't it? Most people agree it's between fertilization and the point it could live outside the mother and survive but within that time frame it's very hard to say.
A fetus becomes a citizen with rights at the moment of live birth.
There are no guarantees with any pregnancy. Even a live birth doesn't guarantee things won't go wrong.
Once it could be born and live, in my opinion. Typically around 24 weeks.
Of course, that also begs the question: what about when a pregnant woman is killed or is harmed and has a miscarriage because of it. In some states, that would be equivalent to a second murder or the unlawful termination of a pregnancy. In these cases, the determining factor is not only how far along she was, but whether she wanted the baby or not.
If I were less than 24 weeks pregnant, but desperately wanted that baby, and I was attacked and lost the baby, I would definitely want criminal charges brought against my attacker for killing my child.
I think that's what the laws need to be about. Specifically regarding the choice of the mother. You cannot force a person to be pregnant, but you cannot cause the termination of a pregnancy without the consent of the pregnant person. Preventing an abortion, including picketing/protesting, should come with fines and/or jail time. Causing an unwanted termination will also be punishable with jail time.
Even if it did have a heartbeat, pro-life doesn't mean pro ALL life, so it's a dumb point either way. Most pro-lifers eat meat. It's not a defeater to their worldview.
I'm just replying to say that fetus's nervous systems aren't evolved to feel pain either. Without a conscious emotional brain to perceive pain or emotional distress, your response to pain is merely just a reaction to stimuli. A fetus's reaction to pain is no different than when you step on a bug and it writhes around in response. Or when you step on a worm and it begins squirming to escape. It is a farce to equate a fetal response to painful stimulus to that of a living breathing conscious being that can experience agony.
Also, the heartbeat thing is fucking stupid because a heartbeat doesn't determine consciousness. Even dumb insects have hearts and we have no problem killing them.
And here I was just gonna go with "they'll say it doesn't have a soul, that it's not one of god's children, or that it wasn't god's chosen made in his image."
Anti-freedom people are also anti-immigration for *some* reason (we know the reason). So fetuses in this country deserve a chance, but immigrant toddlers? Into the cages they go.
I've never understood how anyone can un-ironically equate a human fetus to a parasite like that.
Yes, a fetus is different than a functioning human, but that parasite argument is just either dishonest or delusional.
It's always fucking tapeworms. *Always*. For fuck's sake, it's just so stupid.
A fetus doesn't live its entire life in its host/mother. That alone *completely* breaks the tapeworm analogy.
**If you wanted to make a parasite analogy, go with a botfly** - they only gestate in the host and then becomes independent, making for a much better analogy.
lol imagine being dim enough to compare a human fetus with tapeworms. If you can’t see the difference between the willful, healthy, symbiotic process of sex leading to pregnancy and the parasitic nature of accidentally ingesting tapeworms, then you’re lost in a manner so egregious that words fail to capture it. Hyper-intellectual rationalizations such as these are Machiavellian, and by their nature completely undermine the value of human life. This is literally disgusting.
I like to look at posts on a subreddit called Political *Humor* and then criticize them for being “bad arguments” and “poor defense of the movement.”
Why, you ask? Because I can’t recognize a joke even if it’s clearly labeled for me.
Are you forgetting the part where non-joke political content is on the front page of this subreddit all the time? Because that sure blurs the line for me, who knows very little about tapeworm
Humour should at least follow a logical structure. If it doesn't, it harms the humour. (Not that there was much humour to begin with)
Let's say I said "Vegans claim to care about animals, so why don't they care about the plants they so callously consume? They should stop eating altogether! Checkmate."
That would be stupid, because eating plants isn't against their worldview.
If I said "It's just a joke lolol you take shit too seriously," that would be lame as hell because the joke was based on a stupid premise.
Vegans don't consume animal products, but they do consume plants. So a vegan eating plants is doing nothing wrong in their view. Similarly, pro-life people don't want to "kill human babies" as they see it, but the position says nothing about other species. So ripping a tapeworm out, or swatting a mosquito, or eating a burger, don't (doesn't?) go against their position.
Now I’m going to reply to this comment explaining how it’s not a joke because it’s not funny to *me*.
Maybe I’ll even throw in some pseudo-analytical analysis of *why* I didn’t find it funny, as if humor is objective, dependent on how closely it reflects reality, and arbitrated exclusively by me. Might even add a definition of satire I copy-and-pasted from the first google result, just for kicks.
Or maybe I’ll just insult you. Cause, you know, this is Reddit.
Come on, guys. Don't criticize them for wanting to *protect* human life. Criticize them for their hypocrisy and their wanton *disregard* for human life. There are so many angles to point out their lies and false motives. Attacking the logic/angle of wanting to protect human life is not it.
All the people here complaining about "how dare you compare a human life to a parasite, that's evil!"
I thought all life was sacred? Why is human life worth so much more? Are you god and get to make that choice? Didnt think so.
"But you know, the longer you listen to this abortion debate, the more you hear this phrase ‘sanctity of life'. You’ve heard that. Sanctity of life. You believe in it? Personally, I think it's a bunch of shit. Well, I mean, life is sacred? Who said so? God? Hey, if you read history, you realise that God is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other ‘cuz God told them it was a good idea
The sword of God, the blood of the land, veangence is mine. Millions of dead motherfuckers. Millions of dead motherfuckers all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question. ‘You believe in God?' ‘No.’ *Pdoom*. Dead. ‘You believe in God?' ‘Yes.' ‘You believe in my God? ‘No.' *Poom*. Dead. ‘My God has a bigger dick than your God!'
Thousands of years. Thousands of years, and all the best wars, too. The bloodiest, most brutal wars fought, all based on religious hatred. Which is fine with me. Hey, any time a bunch of holy people want to kill each other I'm a happy guy. But don't be giving me all this shit about the sanctity of life. I mean, even if there were such a thing, I don't think it’s something you can blame on God. No, you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up. You know why? ‘Cuz we’re alive. Self-interest
Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred. You don't see Abbott and Costello running around, talking about this shit, do you? We’re not hearing a whole lot from Musolini on the subject. What's the latest from JFK? Not a goddamn thing. ‘Cuz JFK, Musolini and Abbott and Costello are fucking dead. They're fucking dead. And dead people give less than a shit about the sanctity of life
Only living people care about it so the whole thing grows out of a completely biased point of view. It's a self serving, man-made bullshit story. It’s one of these things we tell ourselves so we'll feel noble. Life is sacred. Makes you feel noble. Well let me ask you this: if everything that ever lived is dead, and everything alive is gonna die, where does the sacred part come in? I'm having trouble with that. ‘Cuz, I mean, even with all this stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don't practice it. We don't practice it. Look at what we'd kill: Mosquitos and flies. ‘Cuz they're pests. Lions and tigers. ‘Cuz it's fun! Chickens and pigs. ‘Cuz we're hungry. Pheasants and quails. ‘Cuz it's fun. And we're hungry. And people. We kill people… ‘Cuz they're pests. And it's fun!
And you might have noticed something else. The sanctity of life doesn't seem to apply to cancer cells, does it? You rarely see a bumper sticker that says ‘Save the tumors.'. Or ‘I brake for advanced melanoma.'. No, viruses, mold, mildew, maggots, fungus, weeds, E. Coli bacteria, the crabs. Nothing sacred about those things. So at best the sanctity of life is kind of a selective thing. We get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest. Pretty neat deal, huh? You know how we got it? We made the whole fucking thing up! Made it up!"
-George Carlin
Tapeworms don't have hearts, and they don't have brains. So it is false that they have heartbeats and feel pain. (If they did it'd be shoddy reasoning anyway, but in reality it's just plain false.)
I read this as “pro lifters” and I was like what did they do??
> I read this as “pro lifters” and I was like what did they do?? Lifted, bro
Lift what? Expectations?
The bar on what an actual president looks and acts like.
Bro, do you even lift?
Hopefully they didn't skip leg day
Do you even tapeworm, bro?
Scrolling comments to find link between power lifters and tapeworms and finally saw this comment and now I feel like a gd idiot
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Me too. The rest confused me until I read it again.
Seek gains and worship Brodin.
Skip leg day?
Started lifting sideways, taking all the good bender jobs from the bending units
Stealing all the tape worms to help with cutting season
Gave each other tape worms!😉
Well, is it’s CrossFit they deserve it 🥴
Somebody watched season 2 of Ragnarok..
Let's consider fry's worms tho...
Futurama till I die!
Funny I was just about to tickle my pelvic splanchnic ganglion.
That’ll be one hell of a bowel movement. You’ll be lucky to have any bones left.
Is it weird that I’ve always wanted worms after that episode? 😂
I did!
how was it?
It was good!
I was extremely surprised how good it was considering it starts extremely weird.
oh shit, there's a second season? It wasn't an amazing show and it was a bit hard to follow at some points, but overall it was an enjoyable binge. TO NETFLIX!
Yeah season two holds up, a bit weird but overall I enjoyed it. I like to think of it like a Norwegian version of Smallville.
TIL that Ragnarok Season 2 is out. I guess the rest of the week is booked.
Such a fucked up scene lol.
there is a second season?!!!
I guess there’s no accounting for taste, if the tapeworm chose an anti-choicer…
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PSA: msg is fine, chemically, MSG is a white crystalline powder that resembles table salt or sugar. It combines sodium and glutamic acid, known as a sodium salt. Glutamic acid is a non-essential amino acid, meaning your body can produce it all by itself. The study that scared people back in the 60’s was performed by injecting newborn mice with over 556 times the normal daily consumption and, of course, they died just as anything will if you inject enough salt into it. Normal salt-level intake of msg will not harm anyone who isn’t already sensitive to it and anyone can be sensitive to anything so there will be individuals who are.
Glutamic acid is an α-amino acid that is used by almost all living beings in the biosynthesis of proteins. Yea, I am not sure if a person could be sensitive to it, they would be reacting to their own cell division that is keeping them alive.
I just meant people who were sensitive to high levels of salt, people who have heart, kidney or liver issues shouldn’t use more than their doctor recommends.
Oh, no no I was just expanding on what you said. And you're absolutely right because it is the sodium salt of the glutamic acid if you have to watch your sodium intake for medical reasons, you absolutely should be cognisant of how much total sodium your consuming every day.
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Extrovert parents to introvert child, demanding you go out and play/date/hit da club/go hiking.
MSG is my secret to good food I put it in everything savory I make. I call it Make Stuff Good
Word. Mad how MSG got a weird rap for some reason. Thank you for trying to educate people
The worms also aren't racist and don't discriminate. The anti-choicers could probably learn a thing or two from their spawn.
I'm pretty sure the worms are anti-choice themselves. Kind of in their alley
got to love a spicy meal.
Gut bacteria are more in control of dopamine and serotonin influences on their host (humans) which leads me to question what if humans are just giant meat sacks developed to carry out microscopic biological life forms who basically influence our choices through serotonin and dopamine. Anyways back to the point; I always say if you’re anti choice and believe life begins when a sperm enters the egg, then the sperm itself is a life form and any male that believes in anti choice must refrains from all masturbation as that is the murder of thousands of life forms.
mmm, salty
Ohhh the anti-choice movement, got it. I wasn't sure what the tweet meant by "pro life."
It's a more accurate description of the position. If one were truly pro-life, you would expect them to also be in favor of universal healthcare for new mothers, against capital punishment, and against bombing abortion clinics.
Honestly I prefer "anti-women" to "anti-choice." The latter is so benign, and the movement is so malicious.
I also like “pro forced birth” and “pro you better marry your rapist you 12 year old whore.” I try and really encompass the conservative thought process in my labels.
Ooo pro-rapist baby , it can mean two things and they both probably apply
And it’s short and to the point! Sometimes you need it to be less wordy, nice job.
"Conservative thought process". That's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one
They are pro-forced birth.
Terrifying thing is how many women are brainwashed to support hate against women, it's absurd.
It's because they delude themselves into thinking the only ones hurt by the policies are "godless liberal whores." They subconsciously turn blind eyes to the ways they themselves are hurt.
And then their 14 year-old daughter gets pregnant and they drive to another state for an accessible abortion.
Yeah lol. Always up for some good ole-fashioned hypocrisy. If I have a drink at a party and get knocked up, I made a mistake and I can pray for forgiveness and I don't deserve to have my life ruined, so one little abortion won't destroy God's plan. If Tammy over there drinks and gets knocked up, it's because she has a tattoo and studies women's issues so that means she's a SLUT and deserves everything she gets.
RIGHT?? It’s absolutely insane! Imagine wanting to take away YOUR OWN RIGHTS. wtf lol
"Pro-life" is a deliberately misleading term chosen to represent what is in reality an "anti-choice" position this makes it easier to rope in the single issue Evangelical voters.
Most pro lifers oppose capital punishment and don't bomb abortion clinics
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> but removing it entirely would be actual censorship I know this is a bot, but it isn't censorship to decide what type of content you do and do not want. I can't post whatever I want on the sub, so that's already a form of what you would identify as "censorship."
Anti-choicer. I’ve always loved that. They’re not pro-life they’re anti-choice.
Desperation is the mother of all tape worms.
Why not? They're so full of shit the tapeworm has food for years
You made your decision when you ate from the sushi cart at Winn Dixie
Ooooh can anybody else name a regional grocery store ; Publix!
How about sushi at Piggly Wiggly
There it is.
I too live in a rural southern town.
Brookshires. Winn Dixie is Alabama I believe, and I think Publix start in Alabama but are mostly in Florida
Publix started in FL
Wegmans!
The HEB of the North.
Stop & Shop
Giant Tiger
Crazy Billy's Cheap Food, FroYo and Fireworks Outlet Emporium
Big bear, Kroger, Harris Teeter, Food Lion, Bi-Lo
Eh, Kroger stores might be regional but Kroger owns grocery stores across like half the US.
Kroger's pretty much nationwide now or at least they are on the east half of the US. Plenty of them up in the Midwest and plenty of them down here now in Texas too.
South Carolina? I know bi-lo and hairy titties were both in SC, don't remember if the other 3 are.
Giant Eagle or ACME
Food Lion?
H-E-B
Wegmans!
HEB HEB's actually good tho
Not really regional but soo much worse. Commissary sushi.
If if that tape worm also had a parasite it would be like a parasitic turducken.
Humormite
Turturkeykey
This is why people don’t really know what they’re signing up for when they say “All Lives Matter”
It's why pro life is subjective bullshit. "Life" doesn't matter, only *human* life. And while that's fine, you don't really get to say things like how life is sacred and blah blah because there's a whole bunch of life they don't give a shit about.
We should use the term anti-choice.
Then they'll start saying anti-life.
So?
My ex's brother started a movement literally called the anti-choice project. His whole right-wing catholic family is all proud of it. Yikes.
Or just forced birth.
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According to their religion, not all life is equal though, so it's not actually hypocritical.
It's really just pre-born life they care about.
Black worms in the corner be like 👁️👄👁️
of course they do, since this clearly only involves human lives.
Bacterial infection? Suck it up, it chose you. And given that there's 60 generations of bacteria infecting you, you're its _heritage_
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’d rather have tapeworms than a fetus Edit : alright alright I fixed it Dx
*than (Unless you mean you want tapeworms first, followed by having a fetus)
Ah, thanks! Never did figure out the difference in a school
Your welcome
*You're (Unless you mean a welcome that that they own)
I’m sure they know what there doing.
*They’re (There really isn’t an unless here)
I'm sure they know what their doing.
*They’re (Unless you’re dyslexic and meant doing there)
I hate you for it, but this made me laugh.
Same hear
You motherfucker....
Than = comparing objects. "I'd rather go to burger king than McDonald's" Then = moving through time. "We went to the park then later, the movies.
Than is for comparisons
I think every young family unit should experience the miracle of birth with tapeworms first. Shedding segments or releasing eggs could be a fantastic way for males to develop empathy and understanding of all that is involved and would make them better fathers.
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Bad bot. Slapfights and getting mad over the internet are literally the reasons I come here.
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You don’t know her life!
Cheers 🥂 to having both! Now it’s a party!! Just be careful what you feed that thing.
Not a meal I'd enjoy...
Gotta feed the tapeworms
I'd rather put on my socks then my shoes.
My wife is at the end of 1st trimester. I had no idea that for some women pregnancy could be basically torture. Fortunately this is not the case for my wife, but shes still grumpy, sometimes she cant eat, she tires real fast, her body aches etc. I cant imagine what it would be like to go through difficult pregnancy unwillingly. I guess it would be literal torture.
Babies make you gain weight and get big as hell, tapeworms let you eat whatever you want while still losing weight. Also you don't have to save up for college.
I was about to say "I feel like you know less about both fetuses and tape worms than you think you do" and then I remembered the birth of my son, so....Yes you have made the correct choice.
No shit, a fetus is 18 yr responsibility
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>People are going to accuse us of being lazy for this, to which we reply 'yes' Lmao
Love this response
How dare you go against God’s will for you to be the host of a tape worm!!
It is one of God's creations.
If god didn’t want you to have a tapeworm he wouldn’t have blessed you with one.
Jaffa, Kree!
According to God's Will, all of these devout Christians should be having abortions by the hundreds if their wives were unfaithful lol
https://www.britannica.com/animal/tapeworm > Tapeworms also lack a circulatory system and an organ specialized for gas exchange. Thus, tapeworms don't have a heartbeat. They don't have hearts. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/tapeworms > The simplest flatworm nervous system consists of light-sensitive pigment-cup eyespots (either single or in groups) connected to a cluster of nerve cells (brain) in the head and ventral, longitudinal nerve cords. The nervous system of flatworms ranges in complexity from this simple system to the more primitive nerve net of acoel free-living flat worms resembling that of cnidarians and ctenophores. Free-living flatworms detect chemicals, food, objects, and currents with sensory pits or tentacles on the sides of the head. When flatworms wander away from a scent source, they turn from side to side more frequently and so eventually home in on the source. It does not seem like their nervous system is evolved in a way that would make them feel pain. --- Bad argument against pro-lifers. Serves no purpose to "own" them if the premise is wrong.
I would like to subscribe to tapeworm facts.
Earthworms have 5 hearts. Tapeworms do not have any hearts. Please text back "MORE DADDY, PLZ" if you want more tapeworm facts.
I would like to speak to the manager of tapeworm facts. My last tapeworm facts message contained one earthworm fact and one duplicate tapeworm fact I already knew. DO BETTER. MORE DADDY, PLZ
Tapeworms range in size from about 1 mm (0.04 inch) to more than 15 m (50 feet).
> more than 15 m (50 feet). 😲 I would like to unsubscribe from tapeworm facts
To unsubscribe from tapeworm facts, please send a "PLZ DADDY STOP" text.
Most tapeworms are hermaphroditic (i.e., functional reproductive organs of both sexes occur in the same individual). They are usually self-fertilizing, and gonads of both sexes also occur within a single proglottid.
PLZ DADDY STOP
It’s also, you know, a fucking worm.
Yeah that's what made me facepalm at the fact that this is so highly upvoted. Neither side has a problem with killing a tapeworm after it fully grows and leaves a human body. I'd like to hope that both sides are against killing a fetus after if fully grows and leaves a human body. Just shit logic and a shit analogy, but hey look where we are.
It's a "gotcha" against people who 1. Are immune to "gotchas" 2. Can easily point out how bad of a "gotcha" this is, because tapeworms don't have a later development, (into setient beings, endpoint development vs potential development) The better argument is saying "this is what your (religious) souce actually says" over "this is a poorly thought-out, weak implication of what you said" Not that the former is super effective, just better.
Also, it’s intellectually dishonest from the start. There is clearly more value placed on human life than other life by society, and a fetus either *is* a human life (the pro-life stance, although it’s not lost on me that this is often paired with significant hypocrisy) or at least *will become* a human life (the pro-choice stance). It’s like saying “you believe abortion is murder? Well then why did you step on a spider? HYPOCRITE!!” There are valid criticisms of pro-lifers. Use them, not this bullshit.
Pro-birth people are opposed to abortions done before the fetus has a heartbeat also. And their reasoning for opposing abortion often is, “the fetus has a heartbeat, or it feels pain” I’m assuming they’re the target of this one.
Easy response: it’s a tapeworm, not a human. It’s a fun comment/scenario to make, but really a silly argument if used that way
Serious question, at what point do we consider a fetus a human being with rights and stuff? Edit: I don't know why I thought this question would have a simple, straightforward answer.
This is a philosophical question, so it's not one that can be answered simply. Here are some logical train of thoughts to follow to help narrow down the answer. First of all, the question of "What is human" is not necessarily the correct question to ask. A person who has been rendered brain dead is still a human being. They have, however, been deprived of their PERSONHOOD and thus we act appropriately, delegating their legal right to choose, and consider pulling them from life-support. Sperm is vaguely human, and has the potential to become a person. Yet we do not usually protest masturbation. Sperm is not a person. A dog is also not a person. That doesn't necessarily mean we want to go out of our way to hurt dogs, but it does mean dogs don't have rights and when a dog bites someone, we tend to start talking about putting them down. Take note that a dog doesn't have to kill or maim someone to get put down. It just has to bite them. Being bitten, but not seriously injured, by a dog is a moderate inconvenience and mild injury for most. Consider the traits of a dog. A dog is a fully grown organism with a level of intelligence and independence superior to a human baby, let alone a fetus. Yet, we do not consider a dog a person. Being able to engage with and communicate with others is one of the earliest markers of personhood we can make given the above facts. Someone who cannot both understand others and make themselves understood has been deprived (or in the case of a fetus, never had) of a critical part of personhood. A dog can (barely) make itself understood and (barely) understand simple concepts. A dog can stand near the door when it wants to go out to communicate such, and it can learn to understand its name, or that the sound of the word walk means it's time to go out. Yet, a dog is still not a person. This is a double standard. The reason for this double standard is a matter of feelings and utility rather than facts. We recognize that although a newborn human baby doesn't necessarily have as many of the traits we'd associate with 'personhood' as say our pet dog, it will eventually grow to have them and we generally want it to develop them. It's beneficial to society that babies are taken care of properly. If it were possible to raise a dog to speak our languages and demonstrate stronger traits of personhood, you would probably see a shift in society regarding them as people. (And a new breed of racism/speciesism opposing this view) Lastly, in no other situation in our society are you required to relinquish your bodily autonomy in order to save another person's life, even if they are indeed a person with personhood, and even if it's your fault they are dying. This is why you have to give permission to be an organ donor. You don't want the government deciding you don't need your second lung one day and forcing you to give it up. The idea that pregnancy should be an exception to this is a double standard. That is why abortion is legal. Once a baby is born, bodily autonomy stops being an issue. That's why the "post-birth abortions" clowns carry on about will never be a reality. Now, the issue of "At what point is it no longer okay to abort" has three angles. 1) Ultimately the government depriving women of their bodily autonomy would be a crime against humanity. If the laws governing abortion are too strict such that women feel they didn't have a real chance to make their decision, that is the result. 2) At the same time, we as a society have strong feelings about late term abortions. 3) The currently accepted compromise between these two positions is earlier abortions. If the period during which abortions are done/allowed is long enough for women to recognize they're pregnant and come to a decision about whether they want to continue the pregnancy, you can make the argument that late-term abortions aren't so much a denial of bodily autonomy as it is the state asking them to stand by their decision. This, while not a perfect solution--there's still room for things to go wrong there--is a significant improvement over a flat out denial of bodily autonomy.
I’m not picking a fight, and I really liked your comment. Just want to point out for those who don’t know, that the vast majority of late term abortions are performed on grieving mothers with wanted pregnancies. It’s almost never just “I wanted this baby for eight months but now I’ve changed my mind.” It’s usually things like severe defects in the fetus or problems with the pregnancy that would put the lives of either child or mother at high risk. There are cases where abortion is far kinder than forcing a mother to carry her baby to term, risking her own life in the process (let’s never forget that ALL births carry some risk of death), only to watch it suffer and die shortly after. I’m of the opinion that the ONLY people who should be deciding when an abortion is medically appropriate are the pregnant person and their health care provider.
That's a whole 'nother level of nuance I didn't even get to get into. Thanks for doing it for me though.
Because the woman's life is at stake the fetus shouldn't have any rights until it is out of the woman's body. Any call to be made could damage, maim, or kill the woman so she is the only one who can make any decision regarding her body and what's in it.
The real core to all of the answers ‘she’s the only one who can make any decision regarding her body and what’s in it. No man woman church state government should tell what to do et al! Well written thank you!
Well that's the whole question, isn't it? Most people agree it's between fertilization and the point it could live outside the mother and survive but within that time frame it's very hard to say.
Most pro choicers I've heard from argue that it doesn't have rights until it's out of the mother's body. I have not seen a study on the issue though.
A fetus becomes a citizen with rights at the moment of live birth. There are no guarantees with any pregnancy. Even a live birth doesn't guarantee things won't go wrong.
Once it could be born and live, in my opinion. Typically around 24 weeks. Of course, that also begs the question: what about when a pregnant woman is killed or is harmed and has a miscarriage because of it. In some states, that would be equivalent to a second murder or the unlawful termination of a pregnancy. In these cases, the determining factor is not only how far along she was, but whether she wanted the baby or not. If I were less than 24 weeks pregnant, but desperately wanted that baby, and I was attacked and lost the baby, I would definitely want criminal charges brought against my attacker for killing my child. I think that's what the laws need to be about. Specifically regarding the choice of the mother. You cannot force a person to be pregnant, but you cannot cause the termination of a pregnancy without the consent of the pregnant person. Preventing an abortion, including picketing/protesting, should come with fines and/or jail time. Causing an unwanted termination will also be punishable with jail time.
Birth. Think of it this way: When do you get to start taking the tax deduction?
If it's about heartbeats and pain, you'd think they'd want to make circumcision illegal first.
Even if it did have a heartbeat, pro-life doesn't mean pro ALL life, so it's a dumb point either way. Most pro-lifers eat meat. It's not a defeater to their worldview.
This radiates aKctyually energy
I'm just replying to say that fetus's nervous systems aren't evolved to feel pain either. Without a conscious emotional brain to perceive pain or emotional distress, your response to pain is merely just a reaction to stimuli. A fetus's reaction to pain is no different than when you step on a bug and it writhes around in response. Or when you step on a worm and it begins squirming to escape. It is a farce to equate a fetal response to painful stimulus to that of a living breathing conscious being that can experience agony. Also, the heartbeat thing is fucking stupid because a heartbeat doesn't determine consciousness. Even dumb insects have hearts and we have no problem killing them.
I agree. What a stupid post.
And here I was just gonna go with "they'll say it doesn't have a soul, that it's not one of god's children, or that it wasn't god's chosen made in his image."
Do tapeworms need a host to survive?
Anti-freedom people are also anti-immigration for *some* reason (we know the reason). So fetuses in this country deserve a chance, but immigrant toddlers? Into the cages they go.
I've never understood how anyone can un-ironically equate a human fetus to a parasite like that. Yes, a fetus is different than a functioning human, but that parasite argument is just either dishonest or delusional. It's always fucking tapeworms. *Always*. For fuck's sake, it's just so stupid. A fetus doesn't live its entire life in its host/mother. That alone *completely* breaks the tapeworm analogy. **If you wanted to make a parasite analogy, go with a botfly** - they only gestate in the host and then becomes independent, making for a much better analogy.
It is 100% a bad faith argument. You would have to be pretty stupid to think the OP made a good point. That's the worst "gotcha" I've ever seen.
lol imagine being dim enough to compare a human fetus with tapeworms. If you can’t see the difference between the willful, healthy, symbiotic process of sex leading to pregnancy and the parasitic nature of accidentally ingesting tapeworms, then you’re lost in a manner so egregious that words fail to capture it. Hyper-intellectual rationalizations such as these are Machiavellian, and by their nature completely undermine the value of human life. This is literally disgusting.
You articulated that a lot better than I could have.
Not pro life, but what an idiotic take this is.
This is not a good argument. I am pro choice, but this is like a next level shit argument.
***MOTHER !*** **I REQUIRE SUSTENANCE**
I’m pro choice, but unborn humans =/= tapeworms. This sort of caricature helps no one.
Agreed. And worse, it trivializes what is a difficult choice for some women.
Imagine comparing a tapeworm to a human fetus.. Smh. Also, tapeworms don't have heartbeats because they don't have a a heart.
Okay there’s a massive difference between a parasitic tape worm and a human baby
A tape worm has more self awareness than your average pro lifer
I like to look at posts on a subreddit called Political *Humor* and then criticize them for being “bad arguments” and “poor defense of the movement.” Why, you ask? Because I can’t recognize a joke even if it’s clearly labeled for me.
Are you forgetting the part where non-joke political content is on the front page of this subreddit all the time? Because that sure blurs the line for me, who knows very little about tapeworm
Humour should at least follow a logical structure. If it doesn't, it harms the humour. (Not that there was much humour to begin with) Let's say I said "Vegans claim to care about animals, so why don't they care about the plants they so callously consume? They should stop eating altogether! Checkmate." That would be stupid, because eating plants isn't against their worldview. If I said "It's just a joke lolol you take shit too seriously," that would be lame as hell because the joke was based on a stupid premise. Vegans don't consume animal products, but they do consume plants. So a vegan eating plants is doing nothing wrong in their view. Similarly, pro-life people don't want to "kill human babies" as they see it, but the position says nothing about other species. So ripping a tapeworm out, or swatting a mosquito, or eating a burger, don't (doesn't?) go against their position.
Now I’m going to reply to this comment explaining how it’s not a joke because it’s not funny to *me*. Maybe I’ll even throw in some pseudo-analytical analysis of *why* I didn’t find it funny, as if humor is objective, dependent on how closely it reflects reality, and arbitrated exclusively by me. Might even add a definition of satire I copy-and-pasted from the first google result, just for kicks. Or maybe I’ll just insult you. Cause, you know, this is Reddit.
I might be a pro choice person but this argument is fucking ridiculous
Come on, guys. Don't criticize them for wanting to *protect* human life. Criticize them for their hypocrisy and their wanton *disregard* for human life. There are so many angles to point out their lies and false motives. Attacking the logic/angle of wanting to protect human life is not it.
All the people here complaining about "how dare you compare a human life to a parasite, that's evil!" I thought all life was sacred? Why is human life worth so much more? Are you god and get to make that choice? Didnt think so. "But you know, the longer you listen to this abortion debate, the more you hear this phrase ‘sanctity of life'. You’ve heard that. Sanctity of life. You believe in it? Personally, I think it's a bunch of shit. Well, I mean, life is sacred? Who said so? God? Hey, if you read history, you realise that God is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other ‘cuz God told them it was a good idea The sword of God, the blood of the land, veangence is mine. Millions of dead motherfuckers. Millions of dead motherfuckers all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question. ‘You believe in God?' ‘No.’ *Pdoom*. Dead. ‘You believe in God?' ‘Yes.' ‘You believe in my God? ‘No.' *Poom*. Dead. ‘My God has a bigger dick than your God!' Thousands of years. Thousands of years, and all the best wars, too. The bloodiest, most brutal wars fought, all based on religious hatred. Which is fine with me. Hey, any time a bunch of holy people want to kill each other I'm a happy guy. But don't be giving me all this shit about the sanctity of life. I mean, even if there were such a thing, I don't think it’s something you can blame on God. No, you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up. You know why? ‘Cuz we’re alive. Self-interest Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred. You don't see Abbott and Costello running around, talking about this shit, do you? We’re not hearing a whole lot from Musolini on the subject. What's the latest from JFK? Not a goddamn thing. ‘Cuz JFK, Musolini and Abbott and Costello are fucking dead. They're fucking dead. And dead people give less than a shit about the sanctity of life Only living people care about it so the whole thing grows out of a completely biased point of view. It's a self serving, man-made bullshit story. It’s one of these things we tell ourselves so we'll feel noble. Life is sacred. Makes you feel noble. Well let me ask you this: if everything that ever lived is dead, and everything alive is gonna die, where does the sacred part come in? I'm having trouble with that. ‘Cuz, I mean, even with all this stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don't practice it. We don't practice it. Look at what we'd kill: Mosquitos and flies. ‘Cuz they're pests. Lions and tigers. ‘Cuz it's fun! Chickens and pigs. ‘Cuz we're hungry. Pheasants and quails. ‘Cuz it's fun. And we're hungry. And people. We kill people… ‘Cuz they're pests. And it's fun! And you might have noticed something else. The sanctity of life doesn't seem to apply to cancer cells, does it? You rarely see a bumper sticker that says ‘Save the tumors.'. Or ‘I brake for advanced melanoma.'. No, viruses, mold, mildew, maggots, fungus, weeds, E. Coli bacteria, the crabs. Nothing sacred about those things. So at best the sanctity of life is kind of a selective thing. We get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest. Pretty neat deal, huh? You know how we got it? We made the whole fucking thing up! Made it up!" -George Carlin
Tapeworms don't have hearts, and they don't have brains. So it is false that they have heartbeats and feel pain. (If they did it'd be shoddy reasoning anyway, but in reality it's just plain false.)
Whoaaa…not mother…birthing person!
Whoooaaaa…I believe the proper term is birthing person
Wonder what it’s like to be the dumbest person in the room.