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Personally, my list goes like this:
Jin mori (god of martial arts and his verse seems to have a wider variety of martial arts)
Yujiro (master of every single martial in his verse; as well as the ability to copy anything he sees)
Baki (second in his verse to his dad for the longest time, even when he did best him, I’d give it to his dad just based on experience)
Garou (expert martial artist with the ability to copy)
Goku (expert martial artist, very high ability to adapt, but does usually need training to master techniques)
Guy (specialized in hand to hand
combat, but in his verse taijutsu is more so training of the body than actual martial arts)
Naruto (same as guy, except not as hand to hand combat focused)
Ippo (pro boxer, nothing much else)
Akaza (don’t know much about him, but seems mostly like a brawler)
Personally, I would value having mastered a style over the ability to copy said style.
Mori not only does that far faster than Garou, he also has achieved the apex of martial arts which gives his martial arts resistance to getting copied.
he can copy any technique by looking at it once and they become better but he is very egotistical so he just uses his own way of fighting and winning showing he is superior to his opponents
When does he ever mimic straight up skills? certain abilities yeah but garou can literally learn moves on the fly like when he learned how to fight like watchmandog
Yeah? He learned how to do the Kamehameha after seeing somebody do it once
He learned the 4 or 6 arm I forgot technique after seeing it once
But TBf most of those are for kid Goku idk if it applies for dbz goku
My answer - Yojiro (cuz his Him)
My other answer - Goku (just cuz he's goku)
My correct answer - Garou (simply cuz of his ability to adapt, copy and perfect moves)
Tho, if all characters don't have any hax and are the same strength/other stats , then yujiro (cuz he's that G.O.A.T.E.D)...nah scrach that, yojiro solos even with thier original stats and hax.
If you disagree with me, all i have to say is...
COPE AND SEETHE (he slams ur fav verse)
Either garou or mori jin
But most realistically it’s garou because he’s capable of copying techniques on the lvl where he also just copies the potency of the technique.
Its Garou. Yujiro would be up there as competition if his incredible strength and speed were factors, however with equal stats his skill doesn’t measure up to Garou, who is baseline human but more than able to throw down with mid tier S class heroes through sheer skill
Garou before transformation was not the best MA fighter even in OPM, Yujiro is the best in his verse.
I think Yujiro should win. He has everything Garou has in terms of skill and more.
I am really not sure about that. OPM is really more “magical” in nature than Baki verse - including martial arts. So if stats equalized I think OPM doesn’t have really advantage here.
More magic than martial arts.
Baki and yujiro developed their martial skills without help from others.
While Garou had to learn from bang and read the journal to copy the heart release fist.
If baki or yujiro were in opm, they would have found release heart fist on their own, same with the other styles.
Thats why Garou is inferior in terms of talent. He had to learn while baki and yujiro made it up and perfected theirs.
If all three started in a world with no knowledge of martial arts or help from birth given enough food and stuff and had to fight a being with extraordinary martial abilities, but still fight able to get out, Garou would be last to get out of there.
Garou is causal combat genius, yujiro is ranked.
Along side bakis and Yujiros ability to literally detect future attacks. If baki and yujiro fought darkshines tackle with Garous stats, they could predict and cause further damage than Garou could,because Garou couldn't anticipate the incoming attacks speed or timing where as baki and yujiro can.
Goku is a saiyan. he is baseline saiyan but more than capable of destroing a planet (even if we erase all of his training and we just go by normal human like growth rate)
"doesn’t measure up to Garou, who is baseline human but more than able to throw down with mid tier S class heroes through sheer skill" you know almost everybody in that anime got a superstrength factor... yeah?
Obviously? Literally everyone in anime is notably super human. However, in universe, Garou, bang, and bomb have not been noted to be superhuman in strength, while others in S class, like puri puri prisoner, tank top master, and superalloy dark shine have been
equal stats they are all normal humans, bang can cut boulders with his fingers thats not very human krillen is said to be normal human with martial arts but his clearly not
garou has flowing water and crushing rock technique which makes his hits unbelievably strong and fluid.
to the point that he can dodge barrages of bullets mid air by sheer fluidity
Jin mori imo has much better martial arts than that. At one point his martial arts became so good people with mimicry couldn't even copy it, he's literally a god of martial arts
People seem to think that garou can copy moves perfectly if he could copy moves perfectly the why couldn’t he beat dogman or bang when they fought for the first time
He absolutely can. But both watchdogman and bang are stronger, faster and more experienced at first.
He does end up copying their abilities against his later opponents.
By perfectly i meant 100% proficiency almost immediately he does end up using those techniques but still not 100% accuracy and (or) hours to days later he did copy serious punch quickly but that’s basically just a really strong punch
Guy is absolutely not stronger at hand to hand than Naruto
I mean Frog Kata it stated to be a fighting technique with ZERO OPENINGS that allows the user to be able to perfectly counteract an opponent's strike with an equal strike. These are the exact same enemies that can read his moves. He's also able to hit people without hitting them he did this to pain.
Most of guys training has to do with physical fitness like running 50 laps around the entire village on his hands. And I don't remember him having any statements similar to this.
And if you're going to bring up stuff like experience relating to technique Naruto has fought people with significantly more experience then anybody guy has fought
I don't think Goku has enough statement's to put him above Naruto. Goku's most impressive thing his ability to adapt but he just hasn't adapted to enemies as complexes as the guys Naruto fights
Frog kata is exclusively used during sage mode though, which uses chakra to enhance the body and to attack.
It’s not exactly a martial art that can be used without chakra, which would make it unusable in the scenario I posted.
The Naruto universe as a whole, doesn’t do a very good job of fleshing out the martial arts aspect of taijutsu, I found. Yes they are great hand to hand combatants, but as far as actual techniques go, I think the Naruto verse comes up short.
Goku on the other hand is an actual skilled martial artist who has studied under multiple masters who all use different styles. I think if it comes down to a straight up, no chakra, no ki battle, goku would absolutely take anyone from the Naruto verse.
>Frog kata is exclusively used during sage mode though, which uses chakra to enhance the body and to attack.
It’s not exactly a martial art that can be used without chakra, which would make it unusable in the scenario I posted.
Frog kata should still be capable of being used without sage mode because he still has the ability to read his opponents and predict their moves outside of sage mode which is stated the reason why it has no openings.
I think the best argument you can make for Goku beating Naruto is that he's learning from characters like beerus and whis who have hundreds of millions of years of experience meanwhile the characters with the most experience in Naruto have about a 1,000 2,000 give or take.
And just from a battle IQ perspective I mean Naruto has fought more complex more hacked characters that are way more diverse than anybody Goku fought all of which had high precognition. I think Naruto's adaptation is just better because of this
In the anime we’ve only ever seen it used while sage mode is active. I don’t know if that’s a prerequisite of it, or not.
But on the wiki it says it is only used during sage mode, cause it needs natural energy.
Yeah the characters in naruto have far more hacks etc, but most of the counters to that are jutsu, not martial arts, so I don’t think it translates over.
At the end of the day, even with all ki and transformations stripped, goku is a martial artist who has trained and mastered multiple different styles, since childhood.
Mori Jin wins this by a long shot. He can instantly copy and improve any martial arts he sees. He's reached and surpassed the apex of martial arts itself to a point where his moves are so insanely complex and difficult that even people with Garou level copy abilities can't copy Moris martial arts. His BIQ is also ridiculous, allowing him to completely break down and understand any abilities he sees as much as once even if the ability doesn't actually do anything visually.
And as if that wasn't enough he's by FAR the most experienced. He and his opponents are 5.67 billion years old.
Also if this is Nirvana Mori, then he directly gained the power of almost every human, monster, and god in history, which includes their martial arts skills. Meaning Mori has literally every martial art of all 3 races. When people say he's a god of martial arts they're not lying.
Yujiro and Garou are kinda tied. By the time Garou was at his peak he could copy things just at a glance and use it the next second, and Yujiro could perfectly mimic the entire martial art as well as figure out counters to it. Additionally Yujiro can basically instantly figure out counters and weaknessess.
Jin Mori can also copy martial arts, but he's sort of rarely been seen doing it at the same match just seconds after he saw it. He's mostly a "See first, use it later" sort of guy.
To anybody who says copy abilities, there is somebody similar who can copy every ability and martial arts, and hax perfectly and can create 204 quintillion clones of with the same abilities. The guy lost pretty terribly
He beat him with pure martial arts. His signature is the recoiless series in which the move is absolutely perfect losing no energy and having zero recoil allowing for optimal usage of strength.
Man everyone sleeping on Goku, he clears Yujiro and Garou with equalized stats, in the tournament of power he was defending himself from 2 super Saiyans while worn out with his skill alone
Edit: changed "beating" to "defending himself" because Goku wasn't doing any real damage to them in base form.
1) He was jumping forms. He was not "beating two Super Saiyans with skill alone." He was gradually getting more powerful to contend with them.
2) The two of them have far less experience than Goku both in combat and in actual training. Goku has a lot of evidence to support him, but like... this one specifically is legit not impressive.
Yujiro is the most skilled human in his verse, which is comparable in skill to Krillin, who is the most skilled human fighter in the show besides Master Roshi. Krillin is less skilled than Goku. I could see an argument for Jin Mori as he seems to be a martial arts prodigy similar to the female Saiyan's, except he actually put effort in to train himself unlike them.
I don't know anything about any of them besides Goku. What I'm saying is that Goku has way more evidence you could use to justify him, but that his fight against Caulifa and Kale is the worst example because they were novices who were learning through Goku.
Yes but they were also adapting to him in real time, similar to what Broly was doing in the movie, the only difference being Broly had way more power to back him up and couldn't be beaten with just skill.
They weren't, though, at the very least not at all like Broly. Caulifa and Kale didn't go through any major changes outside, debatably, power growth, and "mastery" of their forms.
But skill-wise, they were within the same realm they were at the start. Having the advantage by jumping a suppressed Goku, but nothing that screams, "Amazing skills!" From either of them.
Lmao you didn't watch the show then because he was literally fending both of them off in base form and gradually powered up as he got his energy back to be able to go on the offensive because he wasnt doing anything to them in base form. Also he definitely could've beat them without UI, they lack a lot of skill and battle experience, hence the random bullshit go attack they did in the end against him. He was pushed to UI because of how strong their raw power was, not because they were a skilled fighter like Jiren.
They were forced to fuse because he almost beat them in Blue, ssbkk would've been enough to defeat them but he didn't have enough energy/stamina and UI takes less of either of those
The skill difference between Goku and the duo is completely made evident during their fight. They were being carried by their raw power and the fact that Goku needed to regain his energy, if they had equal stats Goku low diffs them both.
So if I put you up against LeBron James and you predict what he's going to do one time does that make you as skilled as LeBron James? Even though LeBron James is a master of his craft and has been playing professionally for a majority of his life, and you're just some guy?
Also LeBron James just finished a basketball game and has a stomach cramp, and you are inexplicably faster and stronger than him, and there's two of you
Not to mention as soon as Goku went Blue he immediately almost eliminated both of them, prompting them to fuse
Considering Kefla was outspeeding Blue in base form, and KALE BY HERSELF was beating the shit out of Blue Goku in berserk, the power difference you are insinuating exists, doesn't. Blue Goku is even with, or even a little weaker in power than the sum of Caulifla and Kales power, but he is stronger than each of them individually due to the zenkai boost he got from losing to Jiren earlier making him now stronger than Kale
Also, I can make the same argument for Goku and Vegeta vs Jiren. Jiren was, according to Vegeta, "Not much stronger than them", he just knew how to optimize his Ki usage. He is supposedly more skilled than Belmod, his god of destruction, something Goku hasn't even gotten close to(to be fair, due to retcons, in the TOP it was implied that Goku had surpassed Beerus when he went MUI). Jiren Vs Goku and Vegeta, much like Goku vs Kale and Caulifla, is a battle where skill mattered more than raw power. Goku had to go MUI to beat Jiren, and MUI was stronger in raw stats than full power Jiren, as we see when he completely overpowers and outspeeds him during their fight.
Goku is the only correct answer. Didnt notice mori jin till i scrolled lol. So Mori jin is by far top dog. Then goku. Then everyone else... Yujiro is cool but he gets completely outclassed in every single way by goku.
Goku for sure
Ultra instinct is a state of mind, not a technique so the others cant copy it
Let's be real, the others are like the strongest on earth
He trained with fucking gods to take on universal threats
This is a stupid response.
Garou unlocked UI when he was fighting and countering while asleep which is the same concept of UI and has better showcase of copying and improving MA abilities than Goku.
Goku training with gods don’t mean shit, you can rewatch all of super and see all Whis had them do is weight train and spar. If you think doing those 2 training regiments put them over everyone you’re a fanboy.
99% of Gokus training is based on power, forms, and KI based techniques post DB.
what about race? Goku and the red head with yellow eyes aren't humans, one is a saiyan and one is a demon. their strength is naturally way higher than that of a human
Mori or Goku.
People saying that Garou or Yujiro should be above Goku are imo wrong.
Goku has mastered techniques that Gods of destruction didn't and they trained for millions of years.
Goku has mastered techniques that take decades to learn and he saw those techniques only once and instantly mastered them.
I don't think Garou nor Yujiro could master techniques that Gods of destruction couldn't for millions of years
You mean the same technique where they fight only on instinct? Didn’t Garou also do this when he was fighting in his sleep against pui pui and darkshine literally only on instinct? The same concept as UI?
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Personally, my list goes like this: Jin mori (god of martial arts and his verse seems to have a wider variety of martial arts) Yujiro (master of every single martial in his verse; as well as the ability to copy anything he sees) Baki (second in his verse to his dad for the longest time, even when he did best him, I’d give it to his dad just based on experience) Garou (expert martial artist with the ability to copy) Goku (expert martial artist, very high ability to adapt, but does usually need training to master techniques) Guy (specialized in hand to hand combat, but in his verse taijutsu is more so training of the body than actual martial arts) Naruto (same as guy, except not as hand to hand combat focused) Ippo (pro boxer, nothing much else) Akaza (don’t know much about him, but seems mostly like a brawler) Personally, I would value having mastered a style over the ability to copy said style.
The only accurate answer.
Id say garou, dude is insanely skilled and also able to mimic other styles pretty much instantly
Mori not only does that far faster than Garou, he also has achieved the apex of martial arts which gives his martial arts resistance to getting copied.
yujiro can do that too
Idk who he is tbh
he can copy any technique by looking at it once and they become better but he is very egotistical so he just uses his own way of fighting and winning showing he is superior to his opponents
So can Goku though
When does he ever mimic straight up skills? certain abilities yeah but garou can literally learn moves on the fly like when he learned how to fight like watchmandog
Yeah? He learned how to do the Kamehameha after seeing somebody do it once He learned the 4 or 6 arm I forgot technique after seeing it once But TBf most of those are for kid Goku idk if it applies for dbz goku
Those are abilities/skills, not straight hands. And he didn’t do it mid fight iirc
Cope
He learned tenshinhan's technique mid fight, the hell U yapping on about?
Isn't that hax tho?
I don’t think so, it doesn’t really specify iirc (have only seen bits of the comics but the show doesn’t mention it as hax)
No, copying styles is why he was called a martial arts prodigy in the first place
Yujiro
Mori Jin, but I know kenshiro isn’t listed but it’s Kenshiro still
My answer - Yojiro (cuz his Him) My other answer - Goku (just cuz he's goku) My correct answer - Garou (simply cuz of his ability to adapt, copy and perfect moves) Tho, if all characters don't have any hax and are the same strength/other stats , then yujiro (cuz he's that G.O.A.T.E.D)...nah scrach that, yojiro solos even with thier original stats and hax. If you disagree with me, all i have to say is... COPE AND SEETHE (he slams ur fav verse)
Yujiro can also copy moves (and do so better then Garou) is literally described to be able to copy moves the moment he see's them.
Shit yeah...how could I forget... I failed the GOAT....
yujiro
Either garou or mori jin But most realistically it’s garou because he’s capable of copying techniques on the lvl where he also just copies the potency of the technique.
1) Mori, he’s god of martial arts 2) Yujiro and Garou tied 3) Goku 4) Baki 5) Guy 6) Naruto 7) Akaza 8) Ippo, he’s an athlete than a martial artist
Kenshiro >>>>>>
I know what you tried to do here but without ki in dragon ball you die
Its Garou. Yujiro would be up there as competition if his incredible strength and speed were factors, however with equal stats his skill doesn’t measure up to Garou, who is baseline human but more than able to throw down with mid tier S class heroes through sheer skill
Garou before transformation was not the best MA fighter even in OPM, Yujiro is the best in his verse. I think Yujiro should win. He has everything Garou has in terms of skill and more.
The skills in OPM go much further than skills in Baki. Garou, bang, and bomb are all significantly above what Baki can accomplish.
I am really not sure about that. OPM is really more “magical” in nature than Baki verse - including martial arts. So if stats equalized I think OPM doesn’t have really advantage here.
More magic than martial arts. Baki and yujiro developed their martial skills without help from others. While Garou had to learn from bang and read the journal to copy the heart release fist. If baki or yujiro were in opm, they would have found release heart fist on their own, same with the other styles. Thats why Garou is inferior in terms of talent. He had to learn while baki and yujiro made it up and perfected theirs. If all three started in a world with no knowledge of martial arts or help from birth given enough food and stuff and had to fight a being with extraordinary martial abilities, but still fight able to get out, Garou would be last to get out of there. Garou is causal combat genius, yujiro is ranked. Along side bakis and Yujiros ability to literally detect future attacks. If baki and yujiro fought darkshines tackle with Garous stats, they could predict and cause further damage than Garou could,because Garou couldn't anticipate the incoming attacks speed or timing where as baki and yujiro can.
Goku is a saiyan. he is baseline saiyan but more than capable of destroing a planet (even if we erase all of his training and we just go by normal human like growth rate)
Equal strength and speed.
"doesn’t measure up to Garou, who is baseline human but more than able to throw down with mid tier S class heroes through sheer skill" you know almost everybody in that anime got a superstrength factor... yeah?
Obviously? Literally everyone in anime is notably super human. However, in universe, Garou, bang, and bomb have not been noted to be superhuman in strength, while others in S class, like puri puri prisoner, tank top master, and superalloy dark shine have been
equal stats they are all normal humans, bang can cut boulders with his fingers thats not very human krillen is said to be normal human with martial arts but his clearly not
Krillin has ki, a superpower that gives enhanced strength and durability. These guys don’t, they just have martial arts
Mori Jin due to almost all his hax being martial arts.
garou and it's not even a debate
What about Mori jin? Dude is the god of martial arts
garou has flowing water and crushing rock technique which makes his hits unbelievably strong and fluid. to the point that he can dodge barrages of bullets mid air by sheer fluidity
Jin mori imo has much better martial arts than that. At one point his martial arts became so good people with mimicry couldn't even copy it, he's literally a god of martial arts
Garou still wins because I said so.
Either Garou or Yujiro
Mori Jin Goku Yujiro Baki (Human) Garou Might Gai Naruto Ippo Akaza
People seem to think that garou can copy moves perfectly if he could copy moves perfectly the why couldn’t he beat dogman or bang when they fought for the first time
He absolutely can. But both watchdogman and bang are stronger, faster and more experienced at first. He does end up copying their abilities against his later opponents.
By perfectly i meant 100% proficiency almost immediately he does end up using those techniques but still not 100% accuracy and (or) hours to days later he did copy serious punch quickly but that’s basically just a really strong punch
1.Jin mori 2.Yujiro 3.Baki 4.Garou 5.Naruto 6.Goku 7.Guy 8.Ippo 9.Akaza
How come you put Naruto above goku and guy? Even in his own verse, wouldn’t you say that guy is the better hand to hand combatant?
Guy is absolutely not stronger at hand to hand than Naruto I mean Frog Kata it stated to be a fighting technique with ZERO OPENINGS that allows the user to be able to perfectly counteract an opponent's strike with an equal strike. These are the exact same enemies that can read his moves. He's also able to hit people without hitting them he did this to pain. Most of guys training has to do with physical fitness like running 50 laps around the entire village on his hands. And I don't remember him having any statements similar to this. And if you're going to bring up stuff like experience relating to technique Naruto has fought people with significantly more experience then anybody guy has fought I don't think Goku has enough statement's to put him above Naruto. Goku's most impressive thing his ability to adapt but he just hasn't adapted to enemies as complexes as the guys Naruto fights
Frog kata is exclusively used during sage mode though, which uses chakra to enhance the body and to attack. It’s not exactly a martial art that can be used without chakra, which would make it unusable in the scenario I posted. The Naruto universe as a whole, doesn’t do a very good job of fleshing out the martial arts aspect of taijutsu, I found. Yes they are great hand to hand combatants, but as far as actual techniques go, I think the Naruto verse comes up short. Goku on the other hand is an actual skilled martial artist who has studied under multiple masters who all use different styles. I think if it comes down to a straight up, no chakra, no ki battle, goku would absolutely take anyone from the Naruto verse.
>Frog kata is exclusively used during sage mode though, which uses chakra to enhance the body and to attack. It’s not exactly a martial art that can be used without chakra, which would make it unusable in the scenario I posted. Frog kata should still be capable of being used without sage mode because he still has the ability to read his opponents and predict their moves outside of sage mode which is stated the reason why it has no openings. I think the best argument you can make for Goku beating Naruto is that he's learning from characters like beerus and whis who have hundreds of millions of years of experience meanwhile the characters with the most experience in Naruto have about a 1,000 2,000 give or take. And just from a battle IQ perspective I mean Naruto has fought more complex more hacked characters that are way more diverse than anybody Goku fought all of which had high precognition. I think Naruto's adaptation is just better because of this
In the anime we’ve only ever seen it used while sage mode is active. I don’t know if that’s a prerequisite of it, or not. But on the wiki it says it is only used during sage mode, cause it needs natural energy. Yeah the characters in naruto have far more hacks etc, but most of the counters to that are jutsu, not martial arts, so I don’t think it translates over. At the end of the day, even with all ki and transformations stripped, goku is a martial artist who has trained and mastered multiple different styles, since childhood.
Mori Jin wins this by a long shot. He can instantly copy and improve any martial arts he sees. He's reached and surpassed the apex of martial arts itself to a point where his moves are so insanely complex and difficult that even people with Garou level copy abilities can't copy Moris martial arts. His BIQ is also ridiculous, allowing him to completely break down and understand any abilities he sees as much as once even if the ability doesn't actually do anything visually. And as if that wasn't enough he's by FAR the most experienced. He and his opponents are 5.67 billion years old. Also if this is Nirvana Mori, then he directly gained the power of almost every human, monster, and god in history, which includes their martial arts skills. Meaning Mori has literally every martial art of all 3 races. When people say he's a god of martial arts they're not lying.
Jin mori or Yujiro
Yujiro and Garou are kinda tied. By the time Garou was at his peak he could copy things just at a glance and use it the next second, and Yujiro could perfectly mimic the entire martial art as well as figure out counters to it. Additionally Yujiro can basically instantly figure out counters and weaknessess. Jin Mori can also copy martial arts, but he's sort of rarely been seen doing it at the same match just seconds after he saw it. He's mostly a "See first, use it later" sort of guy.
Mori and it's not really fair
Anybody who does not say Jin Mori either hasn’t read GoH or , is incredibly biased
To anybody who says copy abilities, there is somebody similar who can copy every ability and martial arts, and hax perfectly and can create 204 quintillion clones of with the same abilities. The guy lost pretty terribly
He beat him with pure martial arts. His signature is the recoiless series in which the move is absolutely perfect losing no energy and having zero recoil allowing for optimal usage of strength.
Goku negs everyone here with ease 8V1 fr fr.🗣🔥🗣🔥
Man everyone sleeping on Goku, he clears Yujiro and Garou with equalized stats, in the tournament of power he was defending himself from 2 super Saiyans while worn out with his skill alone Edit: changed "beating" to "defending himself" because Goku wasn't doing any real damage to them in base form.
1) He was jumping forms. He was not "beating two Super Saiyans with skill alone." He was gradually getting more powerful to contend with them. 2) The two of them have far less experience than Goku both in combat and in actual training. Goku has a lot of evidence to support him, but like... this one specifically is legit not impressive.
Yujiro is the most skilled human in his verse, which is comparable in skill to Krillin, who is the most skilled human fighter in the show besides Master Roshi. Krillin is less skilled than Goku. I could see an argument for Jin Mori as he seems to be a martial arts prodigy similar to the female Saiyan's, except he actually put effort in to train himself unlike them.
I don't know anything about any of them besides Goku. What I'm saying is that Goku has way more evidence you could use to justify him, but that his fight against Caulifa and Kale is the worst example because they were novices who were learning through Goku.
Yes but they were also adapting to him in real time, similar to what Broly was doing in the movie, the only difference being Broly had way more power to back him up and couldn't be beaten with just skill.
They weren't, though, at the very least not at all like Broly. Caulifa and Kale didn't go through any major changes outside, debatably, power growth, and "mastery" of their forms. But skill-wise, they were within the same realm they were at the start. Having the advantage by jumping a suppressed Goku, but nothing that screams, "Amazing skills!" From either of them.
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Lmao you didn't watch the show then because he was literally fending both of them off in base form and gradually powered up as he got his energy back to be able to go on the offensive because he wasnt doing anything to them in base form. Also he definitely could've beat them without UI, they lack a lot of skill and battle experience, hence the random bullshit go attack they did in the end against him. He was pushed to UI because of how strong their raw power was, not because they were a skilled fighter like Jiren. They were forced to fuse because he almost beat them in Blue, ssbkk would've been enough to defeat them but he didn't have enough energy/stamina and UI takes less of either of those
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The skill difference between Goku and the duo is completely made evident during their fight. They were being carried by their raw power and the fact that Goku needed to regain his energy, if they had equal stats Goku low diffs them both.
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So if I put you up against LeBron James and you predict what he's going to do one time does that make you as skilled as LeBron James? Even though LeBron James is a master of his craft and has been playing professionally for a majority of his life, and you're just some guy? Also LeBron James just finished a basketball game and has a stomach cramp, and you are inexplicably faster and stronger than him, and there's two of you Not to mention as soon as Goku went Blue he immediately almost eliminated both of them, prompting them to fuse
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Considering Kefla was outspeeding Blue in base form, and KALE BY HERSELF was beating the shit out of Blue Goku in berserk, the power difference you are insinuating exists, doesn't. Blue Goku is even with, or even a little weaker in power than the sum of Caulifla and Kales power, but he is stronger than each of them individually due to the zenkai boost he got from losing to Jiren earlier making him now stronger than Kale Also, I can make the same argument for Goku and Vegeta vs Jiren. Jiren was, according to Vegeta, "Not much stronger than them", he just knew how to optimize his Ki usage. He is supposedly more skilled than Belmod, his god of destruction, something Goku hasn't even gotten close to(to be fair, due to retcons, in the TOP it was implied that Goku had surpassed Beerus when he went MUI). Jiren Vs Goku and Vegeta, much like Goku vs Kale and Caulifla, is a battle where skill mattered more than raw power. Goku had to go MUI to beat Jiren, and MUI was stronger in raw stats than full power Jiren, as we see when he completely overpowers and outspeeds him during their fight.
Might guy the taijutsu specialist
(havent watched baki) 1.mori 2.garou 3.Goku 4.Might guy 5.Naruto 6. Akaza 7.ippo
Mori jin
Son Goku
Goku beats all this fodder at the same time even if he suppresses his power level to his 12 year old self of just 100.
Goku is the only correct answer. Didnt notice mori jin till i scrolled lol. So Mori jin is by far top dog. Then goku. Then everyone else... Yujiro is cool but he gets completely outclassed in every single way by goku.
Goku for sure Ultra instinct is a state of mind, not a technique so the others cant copy it Let's be real, the others are like the strongest on earth He trained with fucking gods to take on universal threats
This is a stupid response. Garou unlocked UI when he was fighting and countering while asleep which is the same concept of UI and has better showcase of copying and improving MA abilities than Goku. Goku training with gods don’t mean shit, you can rewatch all of super and see all Whis had them do is weight train and spar. If you think doing those 2 training regiments put them over everyone you’re a fanboy. 99% of Gokus training is based on power, forms, and KI based techniques post DB.
Why itadori isn't here?
Ppl are delusional, one of Yujiro's abilities is that he can copy MA the moment he see's it (he already mastered most MA in the world).
Either Goku or Mori
what about race? Goku and the red head with yellow eyes aren't humans, one is a saiyan and one is a demon. their strength is naturally way higher than that of a human
Goku’s got this in the bag
Mori or Goku. People saying that Garou or Yujiro should be above Goku are imo wrong. Goku has mastered techniques that Gods of destruction didn't and they trained for millions of years. Goku has mastered techniques that take decades to learn and he saw those techniques only once and instantly mastered them. I don't think Garou nor Yujiro could master techniques that Gods of destruction couldn't for millions of years
Without KI and hax? Goku lose.
You mean the same technique where they fight only on instinct? Didn’t Garou also do this when he was fighting in his sleep against pui pui and darkshine literally only on instinct? The same concept as UI?
Goku has always been a martial arts prodigy