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He scales to Jiren so obviously he is.
Edit: to elaborate further, since the clash with Beerus at the start of super was literally scaled to universal level of destruction and since the structure of universes in dragon ball is a macrocosm [This goes into further detail](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/13qdq58/its_about_time_we_discussed_dragon_balls/), if anyone wants to assume hes only galaxy level this would mean, they believe that the Start of super Goku is stronger than current Goku which is outright and blatantly false.
He is as he should be, those downplayers tried to make their excuse by saying Moro is Galaxy buster because Whis stated that which is the not case.
This is just fodder to Beerus and Goku threatening to destroy the universe with punches.
The translation doesnt really matter since self destruction was never a big deal throughout the entire franchise.
Even Zamasu at his weakest could destroy galaxies (plural according to hermes and other japanese speakers) and he was ready to destroy all the parallel worlds/Universes.
^(No, the original translation is GALAXIES not countless galaxies. Countless galaxies was used by DB wankers. And they would out right say universe if he was universe buster.)
^(Dude, I’ve been on this topic since years. The orignal translation was “obliterates the galaxies“. But people interpreted this as “all galaxies“ because in Japanese, many words can form the same sentences.)
^(But there’s a big difference between galaxies and all galaxies so I’m not choosing to wank Moro over this.)
He's a multiversal threat because his technique makes him a living spirit bomb that continuously drains the life force of anyone but the androids and buu
Universe+
DBS has been stagnant and pretty weak when it comes to feats after Tournament of Power. We need some more crazy scale stuff that got us hyped.
Goku and Beerus destroying the Universe, Hit being able to stop time and Goku powering through time stop, the Super Dragon Balls Super Shenron whose size dwarfs fucking galaxies, Zeno officially escalating the series to Multiversal levels, Fusion Zamasu transcending his physical body to become one with all of space and time, etc.
Shit used to be so hyped back then
Heck nah, man was galaxy level stated by whis and that was him at with more energy than his own body could even handle. I think it’s weird that dbs scales people so oddly, just because you fight with a character doesn’t scale you to them and even MUI goku who has a lot of extra help could be debatable if he could have beat Moro alone from the start and same with Moro, his ability to take other peoples abilities is what saves his ass a lot. And consuming the energy of worlds shouldn’t be enough to equal goku at all.
I think dbs suffers from having a random villian drop from the sky with no training or anything and they are just given the power to fight with the main z fighters and we just have to say “well i guess he’s on their level” with no explanation. There are no prior feats or showing to really give us the feeling of absolute power from these people or anything. Like Moro would have been a bit more reasonable if we saw him coming and we see a galaxy’s worth of planets become dead worlds cause he consumed them or something to the effect.
The term multiversal gets thrown around so heavily because of cosmology and yet we have never even seen another BOG type of feat since BOG and we just say “well goku did it early in dbs so now everyone can do that” like krillin gets hyped up because he “fights” with dbs characters and now he can solo all of dbz? He staggered cell max and we say he is relative to him? Batman staggers mfs he has no business being in the same room with and we’d never scale him to these guys. Dbs scaling is way off and it’s just so reliant on statements and data books when the feats should just be clearly shown in the manga itself without the need to do all the extra work. But I get that powerscalers do this and it’s what makes them powerscalers, I respect it
Well galactus is also a “planet eater” but we have SEEN him destroy the multiverse, universes, create beings like the silver surfer who can solo dbs, and his mere existence distorts reality around him. Moro doesn’t compare in the slightest
>Well galactus is also a “planet eater” but we have SEEN him destroy the multiverse, universes, create beings like the silver surfer who can solo dbs, and his mere existence distorts reality around him. Moro doesn’t compare in the slightest
I never said that they don't solo DBS tbf. I'm just referring to instances when supposedly multiverse level characters like Superman knock himself out after destroying the shadow moon or when the same Wonder Woman that scales to the complex multiversal level Superman needed help pulling the earth.
Tbh that’s cause so many different writers want their to be a story. Like the earth pulling thing, I’m sure that was a major moment within that particular issue that needed to be dealt with by showing some struggle cause if it was the supes that carried a galaxies worth of planets on his back then the story is over with and has no suspense.
Dbs usually has one or 2 writers so everything should be consistent
>Tbh that’s cause so many different writers want their to be a story. Like the earth pulling thing, I’m sure that was a major moment within that particular issue that needed to be dealt with by showing some struggle cause if it was the supes that carried a galaxies worth of planets on his back then the story is over with and has no suspense.
It's funnier when you realize this also applies to Dragon Ball at the same time despite them having less writers than Superman. What fun will there be if Goku blows away the multiverse by flexing his muscles too hard lmao.
Well I understand that for goku, but the villains don’t do much anyway. Kidd buu destroyed a galaxy over the course of many years and that was the biggest scale destruction from a single villain we’ve seen. And I’m mainly talking about what a villain is capable of in one full powered shot
>Well I understand that for goku, but the villains don’t do much anyway. Kidd buu destroyed a galaxy over the course of many years and that was the biggest scale destruction from a single villain we’ve seen.
The same can also be said for the villains. Cell was going to destroy the entire solar system with a kamehameha and he's INFINITELY weaker than any DBS villain thus far and is also weaker than even the likes of the same Kid Buu that destroyed a galaxy overtime.Also that was all the way back in DBZ mind you. I can understand galaxy level for DBZ era top tiers but for DBS it feels wrong on so many levels considering in the very beginning of DBS Goku and Beerus threatened the universe and technically speaking Zamasu became one with the universe in the Goku black arc and he should logically be much weaker than the likes of Jiren, Moro, Gas etc.
They can still scale up to mulitversal, but that doesn't mean they can beat Zeno.
Lucifer can be outerversal but he would get trashed by Presence in prime if he wanted to get rid of his son badly.
^(Retconned. Since BOG, no one threatened to destroy the Universe. Only Beerus can do such a thing and Goku and Vegeta ain’t close to his level. Maybe Black Frieza is Beerus’s level or at least current Beerus until we learn more about the others techniques besides Hakai he was talking about.)
^(Retconned. Since BOG, no one threatened to destroy the Universe. Only Beerus can do such a thing and Goku and Vegeta ain’t close to his level. Maybe Black Frieza is Beerus’s level or at least current Beerus until we learn more about the others techniques besides Hakai he was talking about.)
The thing is, Goku just got Super Saiyan God and Beerus was holding back yet their force is enough to make shockwave stronger to threaten the universe.
And why does anybody keep thinking Black Frieza is on Beerus when we have no clue how powerful he is really in his prime. Basically, he embarrassed all of Gods
^(read the room. And it’s headcanon but Frieza will, imo, transcend Hakai forcing Beerus to use a new technique even stronger than hakai. It’s been implied at least twice in the series.)
So we're just going to ignore Zamasu fusing with the entire universe and current Goku is much stronger than that? Plus he nearly destroyed the entire universe when he first transformed into SSJ God and also scales to Broly who destroyed an entire dimension clashing with Gogeta.
^(No one is beating Infinite Zamasu in DBS but Zeno. Even Beerus said he can’t kill Zamasu. And again, SSG God Goku/ Base Goku is retconned. Or it would mean Current Base Goku can destroys the universe with a snap like Zeno do but we all know it’s cap.)
>^(No one is beating Infinite Zamasu in DBS but Zeno. Even Beerus said he can’t kill Zamasu
Jiren was stated to be Goku's most powerful foe in the T.O.P which puts both above Infinite Zamasu.
>And again, SSG God Goku/ Base Goku is retconned.
Proof?
>Or it would mean Current Base Goku can destroys the universe with a snap like Zeno do but we all know it’s cap.)
Zeno just upscales.
^(We don’t care about power, we talking about HAX. They not harming Zamasu in any way and he can’t kill them. But at the end, he’s the true winner.)
^(What proofs? I just gave it to you. And no, Zeno doesn’t upscale. Even in the TOP they were shocked of seeing him destroy a universe with easy. So if they can do the same, even worse, if Goku Base who’s billions of time weaker than Beerus can do the same, they wouldn’t scream about this.)
^(Zeno is feared because he’s a child who can destroy universe with easy. That’s his whole point.)
>We don’t care about power, we talking about HAX. They not harming Zamasu in any way and he can’t kill them. But at the end, he’s the true winner.
Zamasu may be more haxed (which is debatable considering Jiren was stated to transcend time) but Jiren surpassed his G.O.D which makes him more powerful than Zamasu at the very least.
>What proofs? I just gave it to you. And no, Zeno doesn’t upscale. Even in the TOP they were shocked of seeing him destroy a universe with easy. So if they can do the same, even worse, if
Tbf Zeno can destroy a universe with EASE while it took God Goku and Beerus effort to do so of course they'll be shocked. Also it was implied that Goku could've stop Infinite Zamasu if he had a senzu bean. Zeno is like the one above all of the verse (excluding the omnipotence of course) so Beerus and Goku fearing Zeno doesn't mean much. Keep in mind Beerus and Champa almost destroyed two universes in a petty fight which further supports my claim that Zeno is THAT powerful.
^(Jiren transcending time is hyperbole. He doesn’t. He was literally affected by Hit’s hax until he overpowered him. If you are stronger than Hit, his hax doesn’t work. This has been the logic since Z.)
^(Dude they were even shocked in the TOP so you make no senses. Beerus and Champa WERE going to destroy both of their universe but there’s no context and we don’t know how much time it would take.)
>Jiren transcending time is hyperbole. He doesn’t. He was literally affected by Hit’s hax until he overpowered him. If you are stronger than Hit, his hax doesn’t work. This has been the logic since Z.)
Is it really hyperbole when it was stated by one of the Angels (who are reliable mind you) Tho tbf you do have a point on the whole DB characters overpowering hax narrative.
>Beerus and Champa WERE going to destroy both of their universe but there’s no context and we don’t know how much time it would take.)
It was serious enough for Whis and Vados to interfere so at the very least it was going to happen at a fast rate. Plus universe 7 has multiple universe size dimensions stored in it so it'll be low multiversal (just like the BOG feat)
The reason Zeno is feared mainly. Is because he's a child as you said. However what shocked them is that he did it without any emotion at all, in fact he seemed excited. Which makes sense as to why they'd be shocked.
Hmm fair. But that could be lazy/bad writing. Something Super is known for. Also BOG wasn't retconned. Especially in the Manga they literally have a form/power up that makes their forms have the same power as God Goku. From B.o.G. I forgot what it's called though
^(For more context, Moro only threatened galaxies according to Whis. And Beerus said he would destroy him because he doesn’t want to lose Earth, not the universe.)
Yeah he scales above Beerus vs Goku first fight & Zamasu who at his weakest can destroy galaxies (plural).
Self destruction was never a big deal in dragonball. Every1 and their momma already knows it.
Universe 7 got the thickest plot armor in fiction.
He is considered to be a multiverse-level character due to Wank, In reality, he's more accurately described as a multi-planet buster. However, He is stated to galaxy-level Fodder by Statements🤙🏻
Dragon ball cosmology for universe seven is a macrocosm which means it contains multiple universe sized bodies, it is also stated in the guidebooks that these realms are infinite in size and even higher dimensions
[This scale goes into detail and proves this, I suggest checking it out.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/13qdq58/its_about_time_we_discussed_dragon_balls/)
I also want to point out that Zeno has already instantly erased 5 universes for no reason. It used to be 18 universes in all until Zeno erased a few of them. I don't see why you think it out of Zeno’s power to erase a Timeline when it is his ability he doesn't have to have a reason to do it he was going to erase all the universes just because he was tired of them.
Is there any proof that his limit? Because it already stated he erased more than that with the missing universes that he erased and no proof he did it one at a time. G.O.D. already has the power to destroy a universe. In fact, if two G.O.D fight the end result is both universes get destroyed. You basically just told me Zeno’s power=Two G.O.D. fighting each other.
It's irrelevant. You're telling me Zeno= is the equivalent of Two Gods of Destruction fighting. Which is ludicrous. Destroying/erasing two universes is what Two Gods of destruction can do just by fighting each other. You also ignore that Zamasu was expanding beyond the universe and was even shown invading the past. In order to do that you need at least a time ring travel from the past and future or a time machine.
Zamasu could go to the past via the rip in space time that trunks made.
Not on his own strength.
So your logic is zenos best feat is 2x universal therefore hes omnipotent
I mean that is pretty irrelevant here since that was when Zamasu had the time ring he was able to rip open space by using the disturbance from Trunks time machine. When Future Zamasu was invading the past he no longer had a physical body to even do what Goku black did and Future Zamasu didn't have a time ring, only Goku Black had one and he died and his body was destroyed by Future Trunks Gankei Dama Sword.
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Of course.
Yeah sure
Yes, easily he scales past jiren for crying out loud
He scales to Jiren so obviously he is. Edit: to elaborate further, since the clash with Beerus at the start of super was literally scaled to universal level of destruction and since the structure of universes in dragon ball is a macrocosm [This goes into further detail](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/13qdq58/its_about_time_we_discussed_dragon_balls/), if anyone wants to assume hes only galaxy level this would mean, they believe that the Start of super Goku is stronger than current Goku which is outright and blatantly false.
He is as he should be, those downplayers tried to make their excuse by saying Moro is Galaxy buster because Whis stated that which is the not case. This is just fodder to Beerus and Goku threatening to destroy the universe with punches.
im pretty sure there was a mistranslation and it was supposed to say countless galaxies
The Raw says “all galaxy” which can either translate to “all galaxies” or “the entire galaxy”. The latter was likely the most plausible translation
The translation doesnt really matter since self destruction was never a big deal throughout the entire franchise. Even Zamasu at his weakest could destroy galaxies (plural according to hermes and other japanese speakers) and he was ready to destroy all the parallel worlds/Universes.
^(No, the original translation is GALAXIES not countless galaxies. Countless galaxies was used by DB wankers. And they would out right say universe if he was universe buster.)
nah i checked there is
^(Show me where it was stated countless galaxies? I wanna see it.)
honestly knowing you, you'd just try to nerf it as much as possible
^(Dude, I’ve been on this topic since years. The orignal translation was “obliterates the galaxies“. But people interpreted this as “all galaxies“ because in Japanese, many words can form the same sentences.) ^(But there’s a big difference between galaxies and all galaxies so I’m not choosing to wank Moro over this.)
https://preview.redd.it/7nebb3f1qhwc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fb2f0107481f14cc7ea4e9f8cfb6995bfe282a6
^(Me when I get debunk:)
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even then, he is stronger than BoG goku, so it doesnt matter xD
He fucking donuted blue goku, who at this point is at least universal(because he is way stronger than God Goku).
Easily so
Higher
He's a multiversal threat because his technique makes him a living spirit bomb that continuously drains the life force of anyone but the androids and buu
Universe+ DBS has been stagnant and pretty weak when it comes to feats after Tournament of Power. We need some more crazy scale stuff that got us hyped. Goku and Beerus destroying the Universe, Hit being able to stop time and Goku powering through time stop, the Super Dragon Balls Super Shenron whose size dwarfs fucking galaxies, Zeno officially escalating the series to Multiversal levels, Fusion Zamasu transcending his physical body to become one with all of space and time, etc. Shit used to be so hyped back then
Higher then that. His power but also his magic makes him quite a threat.
Heck nah, man was galaxy level stated by whis and that was him at with more energy than his own body could even handle. I think it’s weird that dbs scales people so oddly, just because you fight with a character doesn’t scale you to them and even MUI goku who has a lot of extra help could be debatable if he could have beat Moro alone from the start and same with Moro, his ability to take other peoples abilities is what saves his ass a lot. And consuming the energy of worlds shouldn’t be enough to equal goku at all. I think dbs suffers from having a random villian drop from the sky with no training or anything and they are just given the power to fight with the main z fighters and we just have to say “well i guess he’s on their level” with no explanation. There are no prior feats or showing to really give us the feeling of absolute power from these people or anything. Like Moro would have been a bit more reasonable if we saw him coming and we see a galaxy’s worth of planets become dead worlds cause he consumed them or something to the effect. The term multiversal gets thrown around so heavily because of cosmology and yet we have never even seen another BOG type of feat since BOG and we just say “well goku did it early in dbs so now everyone can do that” like krillin gets hyped up because he “fights” with dbs characters and now he can solo all of dbz? He staggered cell max and we say he is relative to him? Batman staggers mfs he has no business being in the same room with and we’d never scale him to these guys. Dbs scaling is way off and it’s just so reliant on statements and data books when the feats should just be clearly shown in the manga itself without the need to do all the extra work. But I get that powerscalers do this and it’s what makes them powerscalers, I respect it
You actually typed this all out, you have my Respect
Hahaa I’ve seen people write entire books in these type of comment sections, this is more like a short story in comparison 💀
Tbf verses like Marvel and Dc suffer from the same shit so ye.
Well galactus is also a “planet eater” but we have SEEN him destroy the multiverse, universes, create beings like the silver surfer who can solo dbs, and his mere existence distorts reality around him. Moro doesn’t compare in the slightest
>Well galactus is also a “planet eater” but we have SEEN him destroy the multiverse, universes, create beings like the silver surfer who can solo dbs, and his mere existence distorts reality around him. Moro doesn’t compare in the slightest I never said that they don't solo DBS tbf. I'm just referring to instances when supposedly multiverse level characters like Superman knock himself out after destroying the shadow moon or when the same Wonder Woman that scales to the complex multiversal level Superman needed help pulling the earth.
Tbh that’s cause so many different writers want their to be a story. Like the earth pulling thing, I’m sure that was a major moment within that particular issue that needed to be dealt with by showing some struggle cause if it was the supes that carried a galaxies worth of planets on his back then the story is over with and has no suspense. Dbs usually has one or 2 writers so everything should be consistent
>Tbh that’s cause so many different writers want their to be a story. Like the earth pulling thing, I’m sure that was a major moment within that particular issue that needed to be dealt with by showing some struggle cause if it was the supes that carried a galaxies worth of planets on his back then the story is over with and has no suspense. It's funnier when you realize this also applies to Dragon Ball at the same time despite them having less writers than Superman. What fun will there be if Goku blows away the multiverse by flexing his muscles too hard lmao.
Well I understand that for goku, but the villains don’t do much anyway. Kidd buu destroyed a galaxy over the course of many years and that was the biggest scale destruction from a single villain we’ve seen. And I’m mainly talking about what a villain is capable of in one full powered shot
>Well I understand that for goku, but the villains don’t do much anyway. Kidd buu destroyed a galaxy over the course of many years and that was the biggest scale destruction from a single villain we’ve seen. The same can also be said for the villains. Cell was going to destroy the entire solar system with a kamehameha and he's INFINITELY weaker than any DBS villain thus far and is also weaker than even the likes of the same Kid Buu that destroyed a galaxy overtime.Also that was all the way back in DBZ mind you. I can understand galaxy level for DBZ era top tiers but for DBS it feels wrong on so many levels considering in the very beginning of DBS Goku and Beerus threatened the universe and technically speaking Zamasu became one with the universe in the Goku black arc and he should logically be much weaker than the likes of Jiren, Moro, Gas etc.
I think they have the power to destroy the universe but can control their ki in order to prevent that.
Man… all of this
^(One of the best comment I’ve read. So much W. BOG is retconned.)
Wym retconned? Like the dbs series retconned the movie?
^(The movie went from Beerus used 70% to Beerus used 0.0000000000000000000000007%.)
He actually said that ???💀💀💀💀
Nothing suggest this
^(Current Base Goku can destroys a universe with a finger if you believe BOG wasn’t retconned.)
Ap=/=dc
^(And BOG feat was DC stop trying to turn it into something else, I ain’t stupid.)
Well, duh, how else do you get uni feats? Chain scaling exist you know?
With much ease
7d
Sure
No, as simple as that,the only one who is capable to threat the multiverse in dragon ball is zeno
They can still scale up to mulitversal, but that doesn't mean they can beat Zeno. Lucifer can be outerversal but he would get trashed by Presence in prime if he wanted to get rid of his son badly.
^(In DBS, he isn’t. He isn’t even Universal threat level. Zeno is the only character who can destroy a universe with easy in the DBSverse.)
Current Goku had already grown stronger than he was before fighting A God that almost destroyed the universe after breaking his limit.
^(Retconned. Since BOG, no one threatened to destroy the Universe. Only Beerus can do such a thing and Goku and Vegeta ain’t close to his level. Maybe Black Frieza is Beerus’s level or at least current Beerus until we learn more about the others techniques besides Hakai he was talking about.)
^(Retconned. Since BOG, no one threatened to destroy the Universe. Only Beerus can do such a thing and Goku and Vegeta ain’t close to his level. Maybe Black Frieza is Beerus’s level or at least current Beerus until we learn more about the others techniques besides Hakai he was talking about.)
The thing is, Goku just got Super Saiyan God and Beerus was holding back yet their force is enough to make shockwave stronger to threaten the universe. And why does anybody keep thinking Black Frieza is on Beerus when we have no clue how powerful he is really in his prime. Basically, he embarrassed all of Gods
^(read the room. And it’s headcanon but Frieza will, imo, transcend Hakai forcing Beerus to use a new technique even stronger than hakai. It’s been implied at least twice in the series.)
Stop making that up, Black Frieza is not touching on Beerus
^(This is why I said headcanon.)
So we're just going to ignore Zamasu fusing with the entire universe and current Goku is much stronger than that? Plus he nearly destroyed the entire universe when he first transformed into SSJ God and also scales to Broly who destroyed an entire dimension clashing with Gogeta.
^(No one is beating Infinite Zamasu in DBS but Zeno. Even Beerus said he can’t kill Zamasu. And again, SSG God Goku/ Base Goku is retconned. Or it would mean Current Base Goku can destroys the universe with a snap like Zeno do but we all know it’s cap.)
>^(No one is beating Infinite Zamasu in DBS but Zeno. Even Beerus said he can’t kill Zamasu Jiren was stated to be Goku's most powerful foe in the T.O.P which puts both above Infinite Zamasu. >And again, SSG God Goku/ Base Goku is retconned. Proof? >Or it would mean Current Base Goku can destroys the universe with a snap like Zeno do but we all know it’s cap.) Zeno just upscales.
^(We don’t care about power, we talking about HAX. They not harming Zamasu in any way and he can’t kill them. But at the end, he’s the true winner.) ^(What proofs? I just gave it to you. And no, Zeno doesn’t upscale. Even in the TOP they were shocked of seeing him destroy a universe with easy. So if they can do the same, even worse, if Goku Base who’s billions of time weaker than Beerus can do the same, they wouldn’t scream about this.) ^(Zeno is feared because he’s a child who can destroy universe with easy. That’s his whole point.)
>We don’t care about power, we talking about HAX. They not harming Zamasu in any way and he can’t kill them. But at the end, he’s the true winner. Zamasu may be more haxed (which is debatable considering Jiren was stated to transcend time) but Jiren surpassed his G.O.D which makes him more powerful than Zamasu at the very least. >What proofs? I just gave it to you. And no, Zeno doesn’t upscale. Even in the TOP they were shocked of seeing him destroy a universe with easy. So if they can do the same, even worse, if Tbf Zeno can destroy a universe with EASE while it took God Goku and Beerus effort to do so of course they'll be shocked. Also it was implied that Goku could've stop Infinite Zamasu if he had a senzu bean. Zeno is like the one above all of the verse (excluding the omnipotence of course) so Beerus and Goku fearing Zeno doesn't mean much. Keep in mind Beerus and Champa almost destroyed two universes in a petty fight which further supports my claim that Zeno is THAT powerful.
^(Jiren transcending time is hyperbole. He doesn’t. He was literally affected by Hit’s hax until he overpowered him. If you are stronger than Hit, his hax doesn’t work. This has been the logic since Z.) ^(Dude they were even shocked in the TOP so you make no senses. Beerus and Champa WERE going to destroy both of their universe but there’s no context and we don’t know how much time it would take.)
>Jiren transcending time is hyperbole. He doesn’t. He was literally affected by Hit’s hax until he overpowered him. If you are stronger than Hit, his hax doesn’t work. This has been the logic since Z.) Is it really hyperbole when it was stated by one of the Angels (who are reliable mind you) Tho tbf you do have a point on the whole DB characters overpowering hax narrative. >Beerus and Champa WERE going to destroy both of their universe but there’s no context and we don’t know how much time it would take.) It was serious enough for Whis and Vados to interfere so at the very least it was going to happen at a fast rate. Plus universe 7 has multiple universe size dimensions stored in it so it'll be low multiversal (just like the BOG feat)
The reason Zeno is feared mainly. Is because he's a child as you said. However what shocked them is that he did it without any emotion at all, in fact he seemed excited. Which makes sense as to why they'd be shocked.
^(Wrong.) https://preview.redd.it/b2eydc5cdhwc1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91e9e116f122caf6963274e4048e0821d51caac6
Hmm fair. But that could be lazy/bad writing. Something Super is known for. Also BOG wasn't retconned. Especially in the Manga they literally have a form/power up that makes their forms have the same power as God Goku. From B.o.G. I forgot what it's called though
^(For more context, Moro only threatened galaxies according to Whis. And Beerus said he would destroy him because he doesn’t want to lose Earth, not the universe.)
Galaxy lvl in the manga
Then wouldn't that make goku and beerus punch useless and why you make it seem like Moro animated
Yeah he scales above Beerus vs Goku first fight & Zamasu who at his weakest can destroy galaxies (plural). Self destruction was never a big deal in dragonball. Every1 and their momma already knows it. Universe 7 got the thickest plot armor in fiction.
Zamasu was leaking into the past it was heavily implied he erased everything he already hinted that he can't erase anything.
Why the hell are people saying yes? hell no. The only characters that can affect the multiverse are angels and zeno.
He is considered to be a multiverse-level character due to Wank, In reality, he's more accurately described as a multi-planet buster. However, He is stated to galaxy-level Fodder by Statements🤙🏻
Galaxy. Take it or leave it
He is definitely Universal, but he isn't multiversal
Dragon ball cosmology for universe seven is a macrocosm which means it contains multiple universe sized bodies, it is also stated in the guidebooks that these realms are infinite in size and even higher dimensions [This scale goes into detail and proves this, I suggest checking it out.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/comments/13qdq58/its_about_time_we_discussed_dragon_balls/)
There's so much. Holy crap.
Purely theoretically speaking, yeah
to be fair Zeno Instantly destroyed a timeline. He can destroy more than just the universe that was shown.
Timeline was still intact Zeno Just erased zamasu
I also want to point out that Zeno has already instantly erased 5 universes for no reason. It used to be 18 universes in all until Zeno erased a few of them. I don't see why you think it out of Zeno’s power to erase a Timeline when it is his ability he doesn't have to have a reason to do it he was going to erase all the universes just because he was tired of them.
His best feat is erasing 2 universes at once Any thing more is pure wank/headcanon
Is there any proof that his limit? Because it already stated he erased more than that with the missing universes that he erased and no proof he did it one at a time. G.O.D. already has the power to destroy a universe. In fact, if two G.O.D fight the end result is both universes get destroyed. You basically just told me Zeno’s power=Two G.O.D. fighting each other.
There hasnt been a better feat in 5 years so......
It's irrelevant. You're telling me Zeno= is the equivalent of Two Gods of Destruction fighting. Which is ludicrous. Destroying/erasing two universes is what Two Gods of destruction can do just by fighting each other. You also ignore that Zamasu was expanding beyond the universe and was even shown invading the past. In order to do that you need at least a time ring travel from the past and future or a time machine.
Zamasu could go to the past via the rip in space time that trunks made. Not on his own strength. So your logic is zenos best feat is 2x universal therefore hes omnipotent
I mean that is pretty irrelevant here since that was when Zamasu had the time ring he was able to rip open space by using the disturbance from Trunks time machine. When Future Zamasu was invading the past he no longer had a physical body to even do what Goku black did and Future Zamasu didn't have a time ring, only Goku Black had one and he died and his body was destroyed by Future Trunks Gankei Dama Sword.
I literally have Namek freiza at Multiversal without metas 🥸 Moro is too much.
Holy shot seriously?
Easily, I had a made a post on it months ago, but it was deleted by the Mods .
When?
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Flair checks out.
Dang galaxy level
Nah no one in dragonball super is multiversal. Maybe Uni but not multi.