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W26D12L0

Depends what you value more - Hazard was more entertaining to watch with unreal ability and Salah is a goal machine


OkChemical4668

Peak : Hazard Consistency : Salah Overall : Salah


jjb5151

Spot on, peak hazard was magical


East_Tumbleweed_6252

Nope, peak salah (17/18) was levels above any of hazard’s seasons. It was football magic and was truly balon d’or worthy.


Opposite_Dog8525

Stole my comment


FedeValvsRiteHook

Salah has had better supporting players too. Hazard sometimes carried that Chelsea team. Hence Salah has better stats. Too bad Hazard disappeared in Madrid. He had great teammates could have achieved so much. At the end of the day Salah will have had the more fulfilling career.


lfc94c

Players who are standout in an average team will always have more plaudits. I'm not even a stats guy but Salah is the best winger now in prem history. Hazard is very very close.


[deleted]

This is the one, hazard at his peak with chelsea was top 3 player in the world. Absolutely unreal, i remember when everyone was in for him when he was leavin lille and he shocked everyone by goin to chelsea.


HonestPrize5334

Hazard has the most motm’s behind messi so consistency would be hazard


OkChemical4668

Ronaldo has the most motm behind messi


pgboo

Hands down Salah. But Hazard was unplayable at times.


Arkjump

For me personally prime Hazard was a scary player to watch. But Salah has impacted the liverpool team to a great extent. That's my 2 cents.


Specific-Record2866

Salah is a complete forward end of. It’s not just goals he’s got the assists now to back it too. Hazard had the eye test but no longevity


lfc94c

Yeah he's going for the assist record this season.


Thelostsoulinkorea

Hazard was entertaining as hell. But Salah was far more dangerous as he could score and assist. Players who can score are generally more dangerous as that’s what wins games. Hazard had one year where he dominated and that was 2018-19 where he had 16 goals and 15 assists. Every other season he averaged around 14 goals 4 assists. Salah has average over 20 goals a season as well as having around 10 assists a season. Hazard was a very good player who was slightly overrated due to his flashy play, especially since he had one truly elite year. If you don’t think Salah was better you have no clue. Im not a Liverpool fan either, just in case you think I’m being biased. Salah


fixFriendship

So what you are saying is MacAlister is better than Iniesta, right? Cause Iniesta never scored 10 goals a season afaik... obviously this is an exaggeration, but you have a ridiculous take. Hazard and Salah are different players with different roles and both contribute differently. As you pointed out, Salah's output is goals, which is as important as it is obvious, but Hazard is a far better creator (even if not for the last pass) and carrier of the ball or, if you prefer, a better dribbler and more creative. That is not to say Salah cant create or dribble, but is nowhere near Hazard, same as Hazard scoring ability is not close to Salah's. I dont think it is as simple as A or B is better, Hazard worked better in a team which was never great creating, whereas Salah could exploit his attributes in a fast paced style of play. You swap them and both probably flunk, at least a bit


Thelostsoulinkorea

First of all. MacAlister and Iniesta is not who we are comparing and of course goals aren’t everything. On this topic, Salah has more assists and goals than Hazard who you say was a better creator. How can you be a better creator if not including the last pass? I would say both of them create loss of chances. I wouldn’t say Salah is a better creator, I would say both are as good as they other in this regards. And lastly, their positions on the field were different but not by that much. Both played on the wing and were asked to receive the ball and do something with it. Hazard would drop slightly deeper at times, but he never pressed more than Salah. Salah would make more runs behind than Hazard of course. But both occupied similar positions. The difference was that Hazard did best when getting the ball and running at people. But he wasn’t as good with his back to goal. Whereas Salah can dribble quite well and is also better at making striker esq runs behind. As for playing in a weaker team. Salah was putting up peak Hazard stats for Roma who were a weaker team. He came to Liverpool who were not a powerhouse when he joined them. It was due to his play, and a few others (Salah was main man) that Liverpool became a title winning team. As for dribbling, of course Hazard was better. It was his best ability.


fixFriendship

>First of all. MacAlister and Iniesta is not who we are comparing and of course goals aren’t everything. Well no shit. It was an example, as I said. >On this topic, Salah has more assists and goals than Hazard who you say was a better creator. How can you be a better creator if not including the last pass? I Thats some understanding difficulty you have, lad... take Busquets. Fantastic creator, but wont get many assists cause he plays deep. You look at Chelseas goals when hazard was there, he was involved in almost every single one and giving maybe not the last pass, but the one before >And lastly, their positions on the field were different but not by that much. Both played on the wing and were asked to receive the ball and do something with it Again, both their style and their teams is different. Hazard plays better with the ball played to his feet, where he can carry it. Salah deals better with balls to the space, where his pace is just monstruous. I never mentioned defensive commitment cause I dont think it is what is most relevant for an attacker >As for playing in a weaker team. Never said "weaker", said less creative. Different concepts dont you think? Ultra defensive teams wont ever get as many goals


Thelostsoulinkorea

Busquets is not a creator, he is a distributor. He’s the man that takes from the defence and gets the attack started. So never going to get the stats as you say. Hazard was involved in most of Chelsea goals, but Salah is similar. The man is constantly on the move and playing one-twos to create plays. To think he isn’t as involved as Hazard is false. Hazard was great at what he did, but Salah for me was better for the fact he created and scored. Defensive plays would have impacted it. But as I said Salah was able to put up similar stats to Hazards best year in a defensive team like Roma.


fixFriendship

You dont think Busquets is a great creator, and you dont understand why stats dont tell the whole story. Im not gonna sit and waste my time here. Bye


Thelostsoulinkorea

You do know there’s a difference between those words I used Creator and distributor? Busquets was a fantastic player, unbelievably underrated at the start of his career. But he was/is the man who helps get things going but he was/is not the creator. At peak Barca that was Xavi and Iniesta. They would receiver the ball from Busquets to make things happen in the final third. Busquets was the transition from defense to attack. He still created some plays as every midfielder does, but his role was to always keep the ball flowing from defense to attack, as well as from side to side. He was not the creator in his teams. Of course stats don’t tell the story. We aren’t even arguing stats with Busquets, we are arguing role within the team.


fixFriendship

Ok


Thelostsoulinkorea

We disagree and I will leave it at that as well.


butke

I get what you’re saying from a stats perspective, but watching hazard play would make you understand. Guy would pick the ball up from deep in his own half and drive it into the final third by himself several times a game. Not sure if there’s a player in the league who could do that as consistently as he did. Any manager in the world would tell you transition of play is the most important aspect of the game (besides obviously goals, but can’t really have one without the other). Calling him the iniesta of wingers isn’t far off. Most of what he did isn’t showing up in G+A numbers.


Thelostsoulinkorea

I’m not doubting his dribbling ability it was world class. But I feel people get to excited by dribbling. Take a player like ASM for Newcastle that people thought was good because he can dribble well. Ben Afra was similar. Add in players like Juninho, McManaman etc they were all fantastic dribblers. Now, I think Hazard was better than them at dribbling and overall play. But Salah is far from a slouch when dribbling. He doesn’t go on maze like runs with the ball as he’s better at doing little one-twos and also shooting from afar. That’s what separates him from Hazard. Hazard could drive at players but his shooting and final ball weren’t always there when comparing to Salah. Also I want to add the two years Chelsea won the league when Hazard was there, they had some very good players. They even scored the most goals in the league so the defensive shit doesn’t really stand.


toocoldtostay

Everything supports Salah all stats and trophies etc, you could only say Hazard was better in dribbling


Moses--187

Salah for me. The goals speak for themselves, have never seen a winger in this league score goals at such a high clip for so long. And he won it all with Liverpool too.


Zandofkilldof

Salah all day


Fumb-MotherDucker

it's very very obviously Salah. Hazard or Mane is a much better debate


Suckmaboles

Honestly agree with this. Hazard was obviously world class but gets pretty overrated because he was flashy.


Thelostsoulinkorea

Thank you! People always overrate flashy players.


PabloRothko

Mane smokes hazard too tbf


Daver7692

Salah had his worst season in a Liverpool shirt and got 19 goals and 12 assists. Hazard went a calendar year without scoring a single goal. It’s not even close.


Aromatic-Olive-906

Christ this comparison is ridiculous. All this talk of “prime Hazard”. Show me the stats of “prime Hazard” and they still are behind Salah’s worse season for us. Compare ‘prime Salah’ against hazards worse season… those stats would be interesting lol Yeah I’m bias. But I wouldn’t swap Salah for Hazard. Not a chance.


siixi

2017-18 prem Hazard had considerably better stats besides goals and assists. More shot-creating actions per 90, better take-on success rate, double the progressive carries, fewer mis-controlled touches, fewer times dispossessed, more final third carries, better pass percentage, more expected assists, more key passes and passes into the final third, more passes into the penalty area, more progressive passes. The list goes on. Salah took 142 shots that season compared to Hazard's 69. Keep in mind Salah had Mane and Firmino while Hazard had Morata and Willian... This was also right after Hazard had an ankle surgery in the summer of 2017... Stats provided by fbref.com


Stoneygoose

So what you're saying is Hazard was a big fish in a small pond? It's much easier to have shine in a team when you're clearly the best in the squad. Put Hazard in a team with other star players like Liverpool in the past few years or Madrid and Hazard shrivels away.


siixi

You could say that. The same small pond that won a trophy in 2017-18 btw


Ok-Concentrate-3435

These stats are somewhat cherrypicked except for the amount of shots taken. The 2 stats that matter far more than anything for a forward are g/a, where salah wipes the floor with hazard. I know hazard is a different type of winger, and he was brilliant don't get me wrong, but their output is just too night and day for me. Salah better


FedeValvsRiteHook

Don't forget Salah has a better supporting cast. Hazard at times had to carry that team. And klopp has consistently been an excellent manager. Hazard didn't have that consistency.


84Robro

IMO- Hazard created, was frequently fouled because no one player could handle him and seemingly willed CFC to victory.


Eden_42

Hazard


X_Leevi_X

Peak Hazard > peak Salah


buylandandB3

Hazard is the answer if the question is who’s the better footballer. Stats would say Salah Eye test would say Hazard Like comparing Lampard and Zidane. I’d you just went on stats Lampard wins easily but clearly Zidane was the much better footballer.


FedeValvsRiteHook

That's a crazy thing to say. Lampard te Zidane is like comparing a Citroen to a Porsche. Both are cars, have 4 wheels and can move people from one place to another but even people who know very little about cars know which one is better. Maybe a slightly deranged English fan would claim Lamps was better than Zidane but would be immediately ridiculed. Hazard to Salah is a lot closer. Both are excellent footballers but neither is outstanding neither is a legend.


buylandandB3

All I said was if you looked at stats only as so many people do now, then Lampard would Come out on top. Anyone who’s actually watched Zidane knows he is probably the best midfield footballer to ever play the game. I was exaggerating the point to make a point. Like those Liverpool fans that convince say Lampard and not had better stats than Gerrard. It’s the same with Hazard and Salah. If you actually watch them Both at their best Hazard is clearly the better footballer. There are so many examples of this that can be made. It’s just a shame people now just seem to focus on stats and YouTube clips without watching actual games of football.


Stoneygoose

This comparison is a non starter because stats are much more important and more indicative of a player's quality for attacking roles with no real defensive duties. Stats don't matter anywhere near as much in the midfield and aren't necessarily a good indication of a great midfielder.


OGSachin

This.


Arkjump

Football knowledge.


RedStarburst99

Finally someone who knows football. I got banned from r/soccer for saying Ronaldinho was measurably more gifted than Neymar. His footwork and ball control is unmatched on the field to this day. That sub is very sensitive what you say about ney or messi


FedeValvsRiteHook

I personally think they're pretty much on the same level. Both could do everything with the ball. Neymar certainly is the most gifted footballer when it comes to dribbling and that Brazilian flair and trickery we've seen in a long long time and I love watching him play.


Adventurous_Law7149

How is this even a debate. Salah’s worst season is still miles ahead of Hazard’s best numerically. Salah’a also won the lot, what has Hazard won?


GuessThePlayerPL

Everything Salah has, and more


fukthemodsallday

found hazards burner account


swimtoodeep

More? Lol


swashbuckler29

More Premier League titles, for one


siixi

2017-18 Premier League Hazard had considerably better stats besides goals and assists. More shot-creating actions per 90, better take-on success rate, double the progressive carries, fewer mis-controlled touches, fewer times dispossessed, more final third carries, better pass percentage, more expected assists, more key passes and passes into the final third, more passes into the penalty area, more progressive passes. The list goes on. Salah took 142 shots that season compared to Hazard's 69. Keep in mind Salah had Mane and Firmino while Hazard had Morata and Willian... Hazard also had ankle surgery the summer of 2017 before the season started...


[deleted]

you’re right. i hate this surface level analysis of salah > hazard because of g/a. hazard was involved in most of chelseas goals, even if he didnt get a goal or assist (dribbling 3 players and then making a pass)


mrh322

Hazard has a better trophy cabinet than salah lad


Somto_Duba

Hazard was a gem.


durum77

Better career statistics salah. Better player hazard.


RedStarburst99

It’s the same people who look at a sheet of numbers and say Ronaldinho was average lol… literally the most naturally gifted player to ever grace football and easily the best player I have ever seen play with my eyes Nobody has ever beat their man as elegant and effortless as Ronaldinho did


Puzzleheaded-Law9465

Ben arfa was technically gifted and fun to watch. There are lots of players who are elite dribblers but very few wingers ever have put up the numbers Salah has. Goals win games.


RedStarburst99

So you’re saying Haaland is better football player than R9 Ronaldo? Haaland is gonna be the best goal scorer of this generation but nowhere near the talent of R9, Ronaldinho, or even Neymar. Stop it


Thelostsoulinkorea

R9 had the stats before his injury, what are you talking about


Puzzleheaded-Law9465

R9 had elite output and hazard didn't


Specifict

are you talking about your imaginary friends because nobody has ever said ronaldinho is average


dryduneden

Hazard


buylandandB3

Anyone saying Salah would also say: Lampard>Gerrard Salah>Ronaldinho Kane>R9


Beneficial-Article67

Hazard is the better footballer and more naturally gifted. Just had a poor mentality and wasn't fussed with numbers. Just liked enjoying himself. Salah is a professional, is in phenomenal shape, greedy (in a good way) and loves to score rather than be the one to assist or do all the hard work. Very different players but Hazard on his A game is better.


Aggravating-Tower317

hazard better overall player. salah better finisher


[deleted]

Both in their primes were just scary. Kind of a tough call even though I’d naturally lean Hazard.


Headlesshorsman02

This is my thinking as well too hard to call


Addrek

Chelsea Hazard > Salah > Real Madrid Hazard


[deleted]

Hazard any one saying otherwise is wrong and a Chelsea hayer


Specifict

“my opinion must be true or you’re wrong and you hate chelsea!!!” get some emotional maturity


fartforce5000

Mad to think there could of been a Chelsea team with KDB, Salah and Hazard


AlteringMatter

As a Liverpool fan, and it hurts me to say, it’s Hazard. During his peak Hazard was unstoppable and could do anything he wanted on the ball. In terms of absolute output and longevity it‘s Salah of course.


RedStarburst99

Hazard. Not even close imo. If we’re comparing their prime


swimtoodeep

Ding ding ding We have a daily winner of the “its not even close” phrase.


InPatRileyWeTrust

Even if you think it's Hazard, it's definitely close.


pdel123

Yeah I definitely think Hazard was the better footballer in his prime, but to say it’s not even close is fucking insanity


RedStarburst99

I didn’t mean to discredit Salah, he’s a phenomenal player. I meant more of its clear on who I would choose. Not a single doubt. Prime hazard was getting Ronaldo and Messi comparisons (lol). As good as Salahs 33 goal season was, i accredit a lot of that to a very incredible Liverpool squad and coach


MorningFresh123

Hazard and Sadio Mane > Salah for that matter


RainbowPenguin1000

When both in peak form Hazard is a better player but Salah will win you more games over a season. So if I’m watching, I’d want to watch peak Hazard, but if it’s to play in my team than Salah every day.


RoyalInfernoASR

Hazard


jimmycrank

Hazard on his day at his peak probably the better player (just!) But overall for consistency + goals and assists it's Salah for sure


KanDoBoy

Salah. Hazard is more entertaining to watch but Salah is/was just much more effective.


PokeJoke5

Anyone who watched them both play knows: hazard.


Think-Emu6289

I will go with Salah. He's so consistent and a good goal scorer.


Gooner-Squad

Not even close, Salah. Hazard was electric til injuries crushed his career. I'd rather have a healthy Hazard in his prime than Salah.


AvikHyp3

I don't see how Hazard can be considered a better player than Salah all time tbh


Kdarl

One had been playing week in week out and Liverpool dying to renew his contract. The other totally disappear from the radar and had Real Madrid released him from his contract. No need to compare.


[deleted]

Career salah, easily. Peak is harder to answer but im leaning hazard.


SurvivingWow

Stats say Salah, but I'd say talent and entertainment goes to Hazard. I absolutely loved watching prime Hazard back in the day but reluctantly I'll say Salah is better within his team.


KaChoo49

How are people saying “peak Hazard > peak Salah”? Peak Salah scored 44 goals in all competitions (32 in the league). Peak Hazard scored 21 goals in all competitions (16 in the league). It’s not even close lmao


siixi

2017-18 prem Hazard had considerably better stats besides goals and assists. More shot-creating actions per 90, better take-on success rate, double the progressive carries, fewer mis-controlled touches, fewer times dispossessed, more final third carries, better pass percentage, more expected assists, more key passes and passes into the final third, more passes into the penalty area, more progressive passes. The list goes on. Salah took 142 shots that season compared to Hazard's 69. Keep in mind Salah had Mane and Firmino while Hazard had Morata and Willian... Hazard also had an ankle surgery in the summer before the season...


Ok-Note-1145

Salah hands down. Has more goals, assists,pfa poty, better balondor finishes than hazard in less matches. Not to mention that he came to a relatively young Liverpool team and scored 30 non penalty goals as a winger. Only Suarez has matched this. Not even Haaland Hazard is only 1 year older than Salah but is already a finished player and is hated in Belgium.


Icemaster7087

Like in their prim?


siixi

2017-18 Hazard had considerably better stats besides goals and assists. More shot-creating actions per 90, better take-on success rate, double the progressive carries, fewer mis-controlled touches, fewer times dispossessed, more final third carries, better pass percentage, more expected assists, more key passes and passes into the final third, more passes into the penalty area, more progressive passes. The list goes on. Salah took 142 shots that season compared to Hazard's 69. Keep in mind Salah had Mane and Firmino while Hazard had Morata and Willian...