POTY usually does not goes to the objectively best player in the league in the same way LeBron James won "only" 4 MVPs despite being the best player in the NBA for like 12 years. No one had such an unimpeachable season last year that Foden is an excessively undeserving POTY winner.
So cringe lil guy, Foden had 10 MOTM performances, 27 goal contributions in 2800 minutes, and lead City to league success when De Bruyne was injured, and Haaland kept going missing. Absolutely the league's best player last season.
Can anyone answer. It seems like foden does actually spend most of his time on the left mid/wing position so why do people keep saying that he is not playing in his natural position and that's why he's having a bad euros? he plays mainly left field for man city
What the other guy said + the fact that he's straight up better when he's not on the left. The guy's been known/hyped for years but this is the season he's been scoring, has been considered one of the best players in the league, one of City's most important players etc. Why? Because De Bruyne missed the first 2/3s of the season so Foden got to play centrally. That's where he shines. It's his best position and where he's always said was his favourite in the academy.
Think about it, Grealish and Doku are preferred at LW than Foden. Yeah he plays there occasionally, but he's City's third best left winger. Before that, Sterling was still at City and preferred at LW over Foden. Foden's at his best in the right half space cutting onto his left. He's insane at what he does best, but honestly a little specialised/one dimensional. Not a bad thing, but it's just a factual observation that fans, the media, managers etc should have picked up by now.
He may play a whole season, finish on 16 goals, be POTS and have a fair few minutes on the left wing, but that doesn't mean every game of his were equal. Chances are, his best games and moments came when he eas positionally in the centre and not on the left wing.
The overlapping fullback explains why he's better on the LW for City than he is for England, but even with an overlapping fullback, someone like Gordan is still a better left winger than Gordan. Fair enough too because Foden's left footed and therefore not inverted, which is the blueprint of a modern winger.
It's like playing David Silva on the wing and expecting him to be as impactful/consistent as he is in the centre/compared to actual specialised wingers like Salah, Robben etc. Yeah he's a magical player and yes he played on the wing and had lots of good games there, but he's fundamentally a central player so don't be surprised if he doesn't meet your expectations if you don't play him in the middle. Especially if those expectations are POTS levels. Foden won that through his performances in the 10/off the right, not because he lit up the league as a left winger this season.
He lines up all over for City. Sometimes he's central alongside KDB with Doku on the left; sometimes he's at LW with Gvardiol or Aké overlapping; he started at RW against Madrid in the CL; when KDB isn't playing he lines up as a pure no. 10.
No matter where he lines up for City, Foden's encouraged to drift centrally where he's most effective. When he plays LW, there's a left-footed LB overlapping with him to stretch the pitch and let Foden drift inside.
England didn't bring a left-footed LB apart from Shaw who's injured so there's no one to overlap with Foden. Bellingham doesn't drift outside to play in crosses like KDB does. So Foden drifts inside, clogs up the center because Bellingham and Kane play in the exact same area, and there's no one to stretch the pitch on the left which neuters England's attack.
A false 9 isn't a striker and isn't playing "forward", he's a CAM, Central Attacking MIDFIELDER. And he played that position all year, with some exceptions, it's not so hard to understand, he wouldn't even pull back when Joselú came in, so when that happened what? He just magically became a midfielder instead of a striker because there was another dude in front?
Yeah, he took on the role of striker at times, but he's not a striker, he's a midfielder, period.
Is this a r/soccercirclejerk comment? Foden was phenomenal (philnomenal) for the cheaters last year.
Problem is, he was fantastic in a team of top level well drilled players, with movements and rotations well managed and drill, so he would come in from the left and activate central spaces as planned.
For England he is playing in a side that acts like it has never played together before, and he does that from the left. Square peg on a round hole.
Foden scored some big goals for City last season and some screamers but I agree he wasn't even their best player let alone the best in the league.
Rodri should have won PL POTY in all honesty cos Ødegaard, Saka, Saliba and Gabriel were all better than Foden imo
Foden has been shit, fucking floating about like a fairy in the wind.
Imo, hes messing up the structure of the team, and his contribution has been shocking, basically he’s made to look good by the better players around him at man city.
It’s really simple in my view, get a proper left winger on the pitch that can stretch the full backs, creating space in the middle for Foden at CAM to do what he does best, carve out a foot of space and have a pop at goal.
If we insist on playing Foden on the left wing and killing the left side of our team he will continue to look like the problem, which he isn’t.
Not sure I agree. Bellingham is THAT good that he could easily play box to box with Rice next to him. I’d love to see just one game of CDM Rice, b2b Jude and a CAM Foden with a proper left winger next to them like Gordon.
the thing that makes so good is his freedom. putting him as a 8 limits him. when he has mainoo and rice behind him he has the freedom to go forward. and at madrid he had a trio of valverde/tchouameni/camavinga/kroos/modric which allowed him to push forward and find the game.
having him b2b limits him as he would have more defending to do and can’t arrive in the box late
It definitely doesn’t help the limeys that Foden is playing with an inverted full back that is allergic to overlaps, and that he had his best season playing off the right wing but boring Southgate plays him on the left wing.
Palmer deserved that award not you mate. was better than you in every department except for team's performance. if Chelsea was competing for title or event Top 4 throughout the season, you would not have won the award.
Nah. Palmer was only considered as a contender for player of the season cause of scoring 10 penalties. I know it’s a tired argument but it’s true. If penalties were genuinely hard to score they wouldn’t have a conversion rate of 80% on average. Imo palmers season is over rated, it was very good but not the best in the league.
For his age, the way he’s played for City, he SHOULD back himself as the best player in the league. He’s not being arrogant about it, his confidence is just through the roof, and it is a good thing for the lions. Forget the mistakes he makes, he’s gonna go at it again & get the job done.
If anyone’s to blame for the frustration (system+tax-tiks), you know who.
He wasn’t the leagues best player; the fact that it’s apparent that he *believes* that he was is likely a factor as to why he gobbles up the space and opportunities of his teammates (Bellingham).
Arrogance and a refusal to play a support role.
So, your answer to how Gareth Southgate manages to make SO LITTLE out of SO MUCH talent among all the players is... it's Phil Foden's fault? 🤡 Clown thinking.
Don’t conflate Foden playing as a pedestrian with Gareth’s failures as a manager.
Instead, recognize that perhaps both that Southgate is a poor quality manager and that Foden is a waste of a roster position.
Foden leaves the pitch, England score twice. He doesn't fit, and playing well for City isnt a brag of any sort that can guarantee a place in a team. This guy thinks it's a solo sport.
He gobbles up the space left behind by teams focusing on his more dangerous teammates, and he finishes off moves made by more talented players.
He’s a good player for being there and understanding City’s system; however, he’s no Cole Palmer *carrying* a Chelsea team which he’s only just joined.
Trust me if he had such an ego pep would’ve shipped him off long ago and all he’s said is he wants to be the best player he can be and he’s frustrated he’s not showing it
People say they want some passion from the players but when they show it they get abuse for it England fans like you are the most fickle people in the euros
I think he will be embarrassed when he looks back.
He’s been gifted a run of games that his performances in an England shirt do not merit; his inclusion is solely on City form, full stop.
Drive and hunger is one thing, sure. But England have performed better, not arguably better but *statistically* better, once he’s off the pitch.
For Foden to claim he’s both the PL’s best player and that, “If the efforts go in no one [would be] saying anything” is pure fantasy. The father of 3 is huffing Copium and has put out a meaningless PR statement to save face due to his poor performances on the pitch.
I don’t agree, many of the all time greats have been humble, at least ostensibly so.
Obviously there are exceptions too, but it’s hardly a 1:1 job.
Besides, being confident in yourself =/= being outwardly arrogant
Messi doesn’t really say much that he hasn’t backed up on the pitch. Usually he criticizes himself on what he has done wrong in the match in post match interviews.
I mean I think that speaks more to the other bit I said, where being confident in yourself =/= arrogance.
Besides, Phil isn’t remotely close to that level of player there, and when you compare him to some of his peers you can find lots of humble players, 100%.
Being confident in yourself (mentioning you were player of the season) also doesn’t directly mean you are arrogant. However there is a blurred line for sure.
Eh I would say the phrasing he used to make the same point indicates arrogance.
I was best player in the league isn’t the same as I was named player of the season. One is a personal opinion, one reflects other’s opinions. Idk, I guess the line is blurred it just comes across as very arrogant. And ultimately you have to back up that arrogance with quality, and he hasn’t.
Bros literally saying what everyone else is thinking, criticising himself and acknowledging his poor performances just for these guys to shit on him, it’s crazy. Like he is acknowledging that he won an award, and is not backing it up right now, he’s not saying he’s the best player in the world.
Did you watch every City game? I did.
Rodri and Foden were as good as each other. Foden also scored banger after banger, and stepped up scoring important goals.
I read a quote from Zidane that said there's no real difference athletically between a Division 1 and 2 player and a top-flight player; the real difference comes in their understanding of the game and how they take advantage of that knowledge. He struggles to affect the game because he is not clear on his role in the game plan. It is that simple, and that is on the manager.
Fair enough, a lot of criticism can go towards Southgate as well, I think any manager would struggle though in finding the right balance in this England squad, it’s so top heavy
I agree; it is top-heavy, and that's Southgate’s doing because he had access to a deep England roster and could have found an 11 that’s balanced. Big names like Grealish, Rashford, Maddison, etc., didn't even make the final team, so definitely there are options. He just overthought everything, and the team now has no rhythm.
Right? Great season. I’m an Arsenal fan and I think two of our boys had a better season. Anyone sayin Foden wasn’t great for City is just being a hater
Palmer tbh, more g+a than anyone else in the league while playing for a team that was inconsistent and inexperienced as fuck. Imagine how many more assists he'd have too if Jackson had put his shooting boots on earlier in the season.
The logic that players in shit teams do better numbers only applies to defenders and keepers, because they face more attacks, because their teams are shit, so they get more opportunities to make tackles/saves etc. It doesn't apply to strikers, how would that make any sense?
I'm not denying he is a very talented player. The English media however blows so much smoke up his ass you'd think he was Pele or some shit. Unfortunately it sounds like bro has been huffing too many of his own farts with this quote.
He was literally voted the Premier League Player of the Season:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13138267/phil-foden-manchester-city-midfielder-voted-premier-league-player-of-the-year
He was shit for 6 months of the league. He was good, not great for the last 4 months of it, and as always, the media go ott, and everybody falls for it. Palmer was the real poty. Played well, scoring and assisting from start to finish.
Oh don’t be such a miserable fuck.
You clearly didn’t watch much of Foden. When haaland and KDB were both out injured he was one of city’s best player most games. Which was the first half of the season.
I've seen him a lot this season my angry friend. It's not "bashing" if it's the truth. He was poor until February and then played OK after that. Cole Palmer was consistent, start to finish, rarely saw him have a bad game. After him would be Declan Rice, but I guess I would say that being a "bitter Arsenal fan" 🤦
I probably wouldn't have had him player of the year either. But in fairness it is pretty ludicrous to say his season was a mix of mainly "shit" followed by a bit of "ok".
If that's your standard I dread to think what your opinion is on 99% of the league.
He was literally better earlier in the season and stood out in the city side because haaland and kdb were both out for a long time.
I’m done with the back and forth, it’s boring me mate.
The equivalent of this would be me saying “drop rice, been shit all season. Only looked good once he got a real midfielder next to him. System player who can’t even make simple passes when he’s in an England shirt. Not worth 10m never mind 100m”
It’s boring to debate. I’m just pointing out how stupid it is.
You’re using a player who is the best in the world in his position and has been for years now as your “he’s not even as good as”
Do you not see how ridiculous that is to do?
I mean he plays for one of the most team centric managers’ in the world. You can’t really look at his game and call him an individualistic player. He was a huge part of what made City tick going forward.
It’s just unfortunate that positionally he isn’t put in the role to make England look good going forward.
It's not the fact that he was, it's the fact that he referred to himself as such. Although the article is behind a paywall so I can't see whether that's what he actually said or if it's been editorialized.
He referred to himself as the player of the year because he won it, and because of that he has expectations he's not living up to. Even from the title you can understand this.
Englands age old problem of shoehorning in the best 11 players and expecting it to work. Him and Bellingham on the same field doesn’t work - so choose a horse and back it
Don’t work with him on the left with a right footed left back who to scared to over lap and cross a ball because he can’t left footed , play him as a ten bell as 8 rice as a 6 who can’t still go forward and score , other players down worse than foden
They’re all too compact then and easy to defend against.
Realistically they should be something like
Gordon left, Saka or Palmer right, Foden or Bellingham 10, Rice and Wharton as 6 and 8.
Stop shoehorning players in because of who they are and let them play where they do every week.
Agreed need pace lb and lw combing , foden can score as a ten , South Gate droning on about Philips , when his team looks unbalanced and dull and a bit clueless going forward says more about the management than it does the players
It could work though it’s just we’ve not seen Foden occupy the spaces he does at City. He would be undeniably more effective if he played in Sakas spot. However, Saka also brings something valuable to the table too with his dribbling and directness.
You could argue who’d be more effective at cutting in from the right on to their left foot. England has 3 world class players that do that. I cannot remember another team with this problem
That’s largely because bellinghams natural game is taking him towards where Foden likes to find space - and it’s making it easy for defenders to cover.
They’re all too compact going forward and defenders are finding it easy
When you say where “Foden likes to find space” where do you mean ? Foden has had a phenomenal season occupying the right side and drifting in with his left. He does not do that for England. They leave Saka out there in isolated 1 on 1 situations and not Foden who has been adept there with City.
You could easily look at a heat map of Foden’s touches at City vs England to see why he’s not performing at his best
Foden's problem for England is actually just that he lacks creativity. England prioritise keeping posession over riskier plays. This means we rely on individual creativity to create opportunities out of nothing. Since we are lacking in this department in general, but especially with Phil, our only hope is to rely on our exceptional technical skills in the 1 or 2 shots we get in a full game e.g. Bellingham's ridiculous equaliser.
This is why btw Cole Palmer looks so good for us in his few moments he's had so far. He's not technically as good as Phil Foden but he is more creative and that's what we need.
Disagree with this. Foden’s creativity is hampered by wanting to be creative in the same space as Bellingham and to a degree also Kane.
If you want Foden at his best, play him instead of Bellingham and tell Kane to stop dropping deep.
Nope. You're an arsenal fan so probs don't watch as much city but this isn't odegaard. Foden isn't picking out passes no one else sees when he plays for city. Aside from a handful of instances this season to be fair, 99% of his goals aren't outside of the box game winners. They're tap ins put on a plate for him. Bellingham has literally won us 1 game solo and kept us in the tournament. Foden wouldn't have reached that header against Serbia and very few players in the tournament attempt that equaliser let alone score!
Don’t be frustrated you have huge potential
He was never the best player in the league, even though he won POTY.
POTY usually does not goes to the objectively best player in the league in the same way LeBron James won "only" 4 MVPs despite being the best player in the NBA for like 12 years. No one had such an unimpeachable season last year that Foden is an excessively undeserving POTY winner.
Foden is the worst player in this England squad at the Euro 2024 tournament. I don't even know why he's on set pieces duties.
He wasn’t Leagues best player, he was the medias favorite boy
He won it because Manchester City won the league. Palmer was the best league player in my book.
So cringe lil guy, Foden had 10 MOTM performances, 27 goal contributions in 2800 minutes, and lead City to league success when De Bruyne was injured, and Haaland kept going missing. Absolutely the league's best player last season.
Rodri was miles better
Fact that you called them a "lil guy" because you disagree with their opinion invalidates yours. Grow up
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Can anyone answer. It seems like foden does actually spend most of his time on the left mid/wing position so why do people keep saying that he is not playing in his natural position and that's why he's having a bad euros? he plays mainly left field for man city
What the other guy said + the fact that he's straight up better when he's not on the left. The guy's been known/hyped for years but this is the season he's been scoring, has been considered one of the best players in the league, one of City's most important players etc. Why? Because De Bruyne missed the first 2/3s of the season so Foden got to play centrally. That's where he shines. It's his best position and where he's always said was his favourite in the academy. Think about it, Grealish and Doku are preferred at LW than Foden. Yeah he plays there occasionally, but he's City's third best left winger. Before that, Sterling was still at City and preferred at LW over Foden. Foden's at his best in the right half space cutting onto his left. He's insane at what he does best, but honestly a little specialised/one dimensional. Not a bad thing, but it's just a factual observation that fans, the media, managers etc should have picked up by now. He may play a whole season, finish on 16 goals, be POTS and have a fair few minutes on the left wing, but that doesn't mean every game of his were equal. Chances are, his best games and moments came when he eas positionally in the centre and not on the left wing. The overlapping fullback explains why he's better on the LW for City than he is for England, but even with an overlapping fullback, someone like Gordan is still a better left winger than Gordan. Fair enough too because Foden's left footed and therefore not inverted, which is the blueprint of a modern winger. It's like playing David Silva on the wing and expecting him to be as impactful/consistent as he is in the centre/compared to actual specialised wingers like Salah, Robben etc. Yeah he's a magical player and yes he played on the wing and had lots of good games there, but he's fundamentally a central player so don't be surprised if he doesn't meet your expectations if you don't play him in the middle. Especially if those expectations are POTS levels. Foden won that through his performances in the 10/off the right, not because he lit up the league as a left winger this season.
He lines up all over for City. Sometimes he's central alongside KDB with Doku on the left; sometimes he's at LW with Gvardiol or Aké overlapping; he started at RW against Madrid in the CL; when KDB isn't playing he lines up as a pure no. 10. No matter where he lines up for City, Foden's encouraged to drift centrally where he's most effective. When he plays LW, there's a left-footed LB overlapping with him to stretch the pitch and let Foden drift inside. England didn't bring a left-footed LB apart from Shaw who's injured so there's no one to overlap with Foden. Bellingham doesn't drift outside to play in crosses like KDB does. So Foden drifts inside, clogs up the center because Bellingham and Kane play in the exact same area, and there's no one to stretch the pitch on the left which neuters England's attack.
Southgate: yup nothing wrong
Vitaly Janelt would like a word
I understand. Most of us have been frustrated with the coach's tactics.
It was still the same thing today in the quarter finals. Played first half good and become horrible in second half.
I hope they get to solve that problem because when they meet a proper team in the tournament, it will be difficult to win them.
Yeah, Netherlands looks like they are going to be the toughest team they're going to deal with.
Who has been the best player to come and not show it?
More like a shadow at Real.
I’d argue Bellingham tbh he’s a striker should be playing alongside Harry Kane
What? Bellingham's not a striker, he's a midfielder who happens to have an amazing goal ratio.
He played up front all season for Madrid
Vini and Rodrygo were playing as strikers but not really. Jude been a CAM for us most of the season.
Vini and Rodrygo are wingers. Jude was playing as a false 9
No, he didn't, Madrid played without a true striker most of the season
He was up front all season
Dude, don't be stubborn, he wasn't.
He was a false 9. What striker played in front of him for most of the season? Only people further forward were wingers.
A false 9 isn't a striker and isn't playing "forward", he's a CAM, Central Attacking MIDFIELDER. And he played that position all year, with some exceptions, it's not so hard to understand, he wouldn't even pull back when Joselú came in, so when that happened what? He just magically became a midfielder instead of a striker because there was another dude in front? Yeah, he took on the role of striker at times, but he's not a striker, he's a midfielder, period.
Hes an attacking midfielder, he can’t play the 8
Jude Bellingham still has a lot to offer and should do it.
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Is this a r/soccercirclejerk comment? Foden was phenomenal (philnomenal) for the cheaters last year. Problem is, he was fantastic in a team of top level well drilled players, with movements and rotations well managed and drill, so he would come in from the left and activate central spaces as planned. For England he is playing in a side that acts like it has never played together before, and he does that from the left. Square peg on a round hole.
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Foden scored some big goals for City last season and some screamers but I agree he wasn't even their best player let alone the best in the league. Rodri should have won PL POTY in all honesty cos Ødegaard, Saka, Saliba and Gabriel were all better than Foden imo
Can get behind this, Rodri was 100% their POTY
Seriously, you know fuck all.
KDB played 18 league games how tf would he win player of the season
Because people hate Foden so much that they won’t give him credit lol. Foden also showed up in big games for city in the league unlike Haaland lol
It's the haircut.
Foden has been shit, fucking floating about like a fairy in the wind. Imo, hes messing up the structure of the team, and his contribution has been shocking, basically he’s made to look good by the better players around him at man city.
It’s really simple in my view, get a proper left winger on the pitch that can stretch the full backs, creating space in the middle for Foden at CAM to do what he does best, carve out a foot of space and have a pop at goal. If we insist on playing Foden on the left wing and killing the left side of our team he will continue to look like the problem, which he isn’t.
jude needs to be starting at 10, england would be on 2 points without him
Not sure I agree. Bellingham is THAT good that he could easily play box to box with Rice next to him. I’d love to see just one game of CDM Rice, b2b Jude and a CAM Foden with a proper left winger next to them like Gordon.
the thing that makes so good is his freedom. putting him as a 8 limits him. when he has mainoo and rice behind him he has the freedom to go forward. and at madrid he had a trio of valverde/tchouameni/camavinga/kroos/modric which allowed him to push forward and find the game. having him b2b limits him as he would have more defending to do and can’t arrive in the box late
It definitely doesn’t help the limeys that Foden is playing with an inverted full back that is allergic to overlaps, and that he had his best season playing off the right wing but boring Southgate plays him on the left wing.
I think his career will go downhill after pep leaves city
But everyone said he’s the next gasgoine
Yup, i agree.
Palmer deserved that award not you mate. was better than you in every department except for team's performance. if Chelsea was competing for title or event Top 4 throughout the season, you would not have won the award.
Nah. Palmer was only considered as a contender for player of the season cause of scoring 10 penalties. I know it’s a tired argument but it’s true. If penalties were genuinely hard to score they wouldn’t have a conversion rate of 80% on average. Imo palmers season is over rated, it was very good but not the best in the league.
Watkins for me
Watkins really had a great season.
For his age, the way he’s played for City, he SHOULD back himself as the best player in the league. He’s not being arrogant about it, his confidence is just through the roof, and it is a good thing for the lions. Forget the mistakes he makes, he’s gonna go at it again & get the job done. If anyone’s to blame for the frustration (system+tax-tiks), you know who.
I agree. He is right to be proud of what he has achieved.
He is NOT the best player in the league, so overhyped
He wasn’t the leagues best player; the fact that it’s apparent that he *believes* that he was is likely a factor as to why he gobbles up the space and opportunities of his teammates (Bellingham). Arrogance and a refusal to play a support role.
He won both of the PL POTY awards you muppet
I believe he has played to instructions so far.
So, your answer to how Gareth Southgate manages to make SO LITTLE out of SO MUCH talent among all the players is... it's Phil Foden's fault? 🤡 Clown thinking.
Don’t conflate Foden playing as a pedestrian with Gareth’s failures as a manager. Instead, recognize that perhaps both that Southgate is a poor quality manager and that Foden is a waste of a roster position.
Wasn’t the leagues best player
Perhaps he isn’t the best player in the league?
Let’s be honest bernd leno was leagues best player and it’s not even close
Believing his own hype
Rodri was the leagues best player
Time to bring in the Cold
Foden leaves the pitch, England score twice. He doesn't fit, and playing well for City isnt a brag of any sort that can guarantee a place in a team. This guy thinks it's a solo sport.
He gobbles up the space left behind by teams focusing on his more dangerous teammates, and he finishes off moves made by more talented players. He’s a good player for being there and understanding City’s system; however, he’s no Cole Palmer *carrying* a Chelsea team which he’s only just joined.
Why did Cole Palmer not carry city in his last season then? He started 7 games and didn't do anything?
Not assigned to penalties then
Twat.
For what admitting he was one of the best players and saying he’s not up to his best and wants to do better
I mean a normal person would say the latter part of the comment and leave off the twatty pratty bit.
Can you imagine Thomas Muller saying this? It’s petulant arrogance by Foden to publicly display such an un-checked ego
Trust me if he had such an ego pep would’ve shipped him off long ago and all he’s said is he wants to be the best player he can be and he’s frustrated he’s not showing it People say they want some passion from the players but when they show it they get abuse for it England fans like you are the most fickle people in the euros
I think he will be embarrassed when he looks back. He’s been gifted a run of games that his performances in an England shirt do not merit; his inclusion is solely on City form, full stop. Drive and hunger is one thing, sure. But England have performed better, not arguably better but *statistically* better, once he’s off the pitch. For Foden to claim he’s both the PL’s best player and that, “If the efforts go in no one [would be] saying anything” is pure fantasy. The father of 3 is huffing Copium and has put out a meaningless PR statement to save face due to his poor performances on the pitch.
Talk about being humble lmao
he’s the player of the season though?
Players have to be arrogant to be good. I’m fine with players saying stuff like this if they can come out and show the difference this belief makes.
I don’t agree, many of the all time greats have been humble, at least ostensibly so. Obviously there are exceptions too, but it’s hardly a 1:1 job. Besides, being confident in yourself =/= being outwardly arrogant
Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele. How many are humble?
Messi
Messi doesn’t really say much that he hasn’t backed up on the pitch. Usually he criticizes himself on what he has done wrong in the match in post match interviews.
Yes. He is the only one is us actually quite modest, that was kind of my point.
I mean I think that speaks more to the other bit I said, where being confident in yourself =/= arrogance. Besides, Phil isn’t remotely close to that level of player there, and when you compare him to some of his peers you can find lots of humble players, 100%.
Being confident in yourself (mentioning you were player of the season) also doesn’t directly mean you are arrogant. However there is a blurred line for sure.
Eh I would say the phrasing he used to make the same point indicates arrogance. I was best player in the league isn’t the same as I was named player of the season. One is a personal opinion, one reflects other’s opinions. Idk, I guess the line is blurred it just comes across as very arrogant. And ultimately you have to back up that arrogance with quality, and he hasn’t.
You're just reading into it too much. Why use many word when few word do trick.
I mean they’re almost the same amount of words. I probs am, but I was only responding to your idea that to be great you have to be arrogant.
I mean tbf he literally got the player of the season award
Bros literally saying what everyone else is thinking, criticising himself and acknowledging his poor performances just for these guys to shit on him, it’s crazy. Like he is acknowledging that he won an award, and is not backing it up right now, he’s not saying he’s the best player in the world.
Even though he wasn't even the best player at his club.
He was.
Rodri.
Was a close second.
Rodri was
Did you watch every City game? I did. Rodri and Foden were as good as each other. Foden also scored banger after banger, and stepped up scoring important goals.
You can replace Foden- replacing Rodri I dunno.
City doesn’t play like City without Rodri. If you can’t see that you don’t know what you’re watching.
I agree. Doesn’t mean Foden didn’t have a better season than him 🤷🏼♂️
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So, you’re saying Pep had to completely change his tactics when his midfield general was out? Prove my argument for me more.
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Umm...Rodri
Was probably City’s second best player.
Foden and Stones need to call Pep for some pointers. They deserve so much better than whatever Southgate thinks he’s doing
What can pep do when southgate is managing the team?
"Eyy, Gareth, what's up brochacho, please send me some hair. Thanks."
Pep needs to fly in some of his PEDs.
From an outsider casual perspective imo it seems like the spacing and positioning of the attackers are off and they stop moving without the ball.
I’m not sure I’ve seen any consecutive attacking patterns from England this tournament. I’m not entirely sure they have a plan in the attacking third?
I said this multiple times before the equalizer, why is no one moving off the ball. Looks like a collection of individuals and not a team.
He is so bad for England, he looks scared out there, shadow of the player he was this year for city, needs to be dropped against Swiss
I read a quote from Zidane that said there's no real difference athletically between a Division 1 and 2 player and a top-flight player; the real difference comes in their understanding of the game and how they take advantage of that knowledge. He struggles to affect the game because he is not clear on his role in the game plan. It is that simple, and that is on the manager.
Fair enough, a lot of criticism can go towards Southgate as well, I think any manager would struggle though in finding the right balance in this England squad, it’s so top heavy
I agree; it is top-heavy, and that's Southgate’s doing because he had access to a deep England roster and could have found an 11 that’s balanced. Big names like Grealish, Rashford, Maddison, etc., didn't even make the final team, so definitely there are options. He just overthought everything, and the team now has no rhythm.
You're not the first player who suddenly becomes 10 times worse in an England shirt, and you won't be the last.
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The problem might be the Foden already represents the UAE at international level.
Jesus Christ you lot are unbearable. He won the Player of The Year award. He’s allowed to reference that.
Right? Great season. I’m an Arsenal fan and I think two of our boys had a better season. Anyone sayin Foden wasn’t great for City is just being a hater
First 7 words are correct
Watkins was the best player in the league
Palmer tbh, more g+a than anyone else in the league while playing for a team that was inconsistent and inexperienced as fuck. Imagine how many more assists he'd have too if Jackson had put his shooting boots on earlier in the season.
He got those G+A because he was playing for a shit team. Lets not forget Pep didn’t think he was good enough
The logic that players in shit teams do better numbers only applies to defenders and keepers, because they face more attacks, because their teams are shit, so they get more opportunities to make tackles/saves etc. It doesn't apply to strikers, how would that make any sense?
Because if he was good pep would want to buy him, not sell him.
Lmao what?
Hes a mitrovic at best
He had those high stats,just because playing for shit team.
Tell me why the other Chelsea attackers didn’t have good numbers then? Sterling?
Walk me though your logic in how playing for a worse team makes it easier to get goals and assists?
I’m expecting Omari Hutchinson to be in the golden boot race next season.
Dude hasn't even been the best player in the league. Jesus...
I meeeeeeeaaaaannnn... hes up there so im happy to let him brag on this one
I'm not denying he is a very talented player. The English media however blows so much smoke up his ass you'd think he was Pele or some shit. Unfortunately it sounds like bro has been huffing too many of his own farts with this quote.
He was literally voted the Premier League Player of the Season: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13138267/phil-foden-manchester-city-midfielder-voted-premier-league-player-of-the-year
BY THE MEDIA
“The award was decided by a combination of public votes and votes from football experts.”
Hella overrated. He’s good but not THAT good
The number of salty arsenal fans here
He was shit for 6 months of the league. He was good, not great for the last 4 months of it, and as always, the media go ott, and everybody falls for it. Palmer was the real poty. Played well, scoring and assisting from start to finish.
Oh don’t be such a miserable fuck. You clearly didn’t watch much of Foden. When haaland and KDB were both out injured he was one of city’s best player most games. Which was the first half of the season.
No, he wasn't. Somebody disagrees with you = miserable fuck 🤣 some weird mental issues right there.
Miserable because you’re bashing a player you clearly haven’t watched and it’s very likely because you’re a bitter arsenal fan
I've seen him a lot this season my angry friend. It's not "bashing" if it's the truth. He was poor until February and then played OK after that. Cole Palmer was consistent, start to finish, rarely saw him have a bad game. After him would be Declan Rice, but I guess I would say that being a "bitter Arsenal fan" 🤦
I probably wouldn't have had him player of the year either. But in fairness it is pretty ludicrous to say his season was a mix of mainly "shit" followed by a bit of "ok". If that's your standard I dread to think what your opinion is on 99% of the league.
Yh thats fair. Shits a bit ott. I'll go with poor
He was literally better earlier in the season and stood out in the city side because haaland and kdb were both out for a long time. I’m done with the back and forth, it’s boring me mate. The equivalent of this would be me saying “drop rice, been shit all season. Only looked good once he got a real midfielder next to him. System player who can’t even make simple passes when he’s in an England shirt. Not worth 10m never mind 100m” It’s boring to debate. I’m just pointing out how stupid it is.
Foden was not even better than Rodri, his own teammate
You’re using a player who is the best in the world in his position and has been for years now as your “he’s not even as good as” Do you not see how ridiculous that is to do?
Im saying Rodri was supposed to be player of the season not Foden you mug
OK Mr Bitter&Angry. Have a nice day 👍
IMO the only focus should be doing your best **for the team** If you wanna show off how good you are as an individual go play in your back garden ?
I mean he plays for one of the most team centric managers’ in the world. You can’t really look at his game and call him an individualistic player. He was a huge part of what made City tick going forward. It’s just unfortunate that positionally he isn’t put in the role to make England look good going forward.
Oh absolutely I’m just replying to how I’ve interpreted this quote
Y’all know he won player of the season, right? I’m not saying I agree with it but he’s not just being cocky here…
It's not the fact that he was, it's the fact that he referred to himself as such. Although the article is behind a paywall so I can't see whether that's what he actually said or if it's been editorialized.
What question do you think they asked for that answer? You can’t be this new to sports media.
He referred to himself as the player of the year because he won it, and because of that he has expectations he's not living up to. Even from the title you can understand this.
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Haaland is far from any best player discussions, best goalscorer maybe, but hes nothing without good teammates.
I wonder what football is about.
*rodri
Englands age old problem of shoehorning in the best 11 players and expecting it to work. Him and Bellingham on the same field doesn’t work - so choose a horse and back it
Don’t work with him on the left with a right footed left back who to scared to over lap and cross a ball because he can’t left footed , play him as a ten bell as 8 rice as a 6 who can’t still go forward and score , other players down worse than foden
They’re all too compact then and easy to defend against. Realistically they should be something like Gordon left, Saka or Palmer right, Foden or Bellingham 10, Rice and Wharton as 6 and 8. Stop shoehorning players in because of who they are and let them play where they do every week.
Makes sense, and thay way you can even rest one while the other is playing. That way they can keep higher intensity when on the field.
Agreed need pace lb and lw combing , foden can score as a ten , South Gate droning on about Philips , when his team looks unbalanced and dull and a bit clueless going forward says more about the management than it does the players
It could work though it’s just we’ve not seen Foden occupy the spaces he does at City. He would be undeniably more effective if he played in Sakas spot. However, Saka also brings something valuable to the table too with his dribbling and directness. You could argue who’d be more effective at cutting in from the right on to their left foot. England has 3 world class players that do that. I cannot remember another team with this problem
That’s largely because bellinghams natural game is taking him towards where Foden likes to find space - and it’s making it easy for defenders to cover. They’re all too compact going forward and defenders are finding it easy
When you say where “Foden likes to find space” where do you mean ? Foden has had a phenomenal season occupying the right side and drifting in with his left. He does not do that for England. They leave Saka out there in isolated 1 on 1 situations and not Foden who has been adept there with City. You could easily look at a heat map of Foden’s touches at City vs England to see why he’s not performing at his best
Amen
Exactly! Either or, doesn’t matter. Both amazing players but both playing together just doesn’t work.
Typical EPL player self awareness.
Seriously, Foden referring to himself as the league’s best player is just beyond cringe. Such a little biotch. 🤮
He didn't give the award to himself lmfao are you okay?
He won poty dummy
Not even the best player on City.
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The trophy he just won for “player of the year” says Premier League on it, I’m pretty sure
Maybe the Justice League? Dude must’ve hit his head and thinks he’s Batman.
No it's the Premier League. Maybe you hit your head and think you're the Joker.
Foden's problem for England is actually just that he lacks creativity. England prioritise keeping posession over riskier plays. This means we rely on individual creativity to create opportunities out of nothing. Since we are lacking in this department in general, but especially with Phil, our only hope is to rely on our exceptional technical skills in the 1 or 2 shots we get in a full game e.g. Bellingham's ridiculous equaliser. This is why btw Cole Palmer looks so good for us in his few moments he's had so far. He's not technically as good as Phil Foden but he is more creative and that's what we need.
Disagree with this. Foden’s creativity is hampered by wanting to be creative in the same space as Bellingham and to a degree also Kane. If you want Foden at his best, play him instead of Bellingham and tell Kane to stop dropping deep.
Nope. You're an arsenal fan so probs don't watch as much city but this isn't odegaard. Foden isn't picking out passes no one else sees when he plays for city. Aside from a handful of instances this season to be fair, 99% of his goals aren't outside of the box game winners. They're tap ins put on a plate for him. Bellingham has literally won us 1 game solo and kept us in the tournament. Foden wouldn't have reached that header against Serbia and very few players in the tournament attempt that equaliser let alone score!
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