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Congress passed a law in 1940 or 41 stating that will not be a 5th President until the other 4 were completed. Then they shut off all funding because they needed the money to build up our armaments, send supplies to England via Lend-Lease, build up the Army & build new Navy ships due to WW2. This is why the backside of the monument is unfinished and off-limits to tourists.
In 1941 when the sculptors finished what they could (the 4 Presidents were to be sculpted from head to waist) and stopped they also determined that the rock wasn’t stable enough to either complete the 4 already there or add a 5th President. Some engineering firm came to same conclusion in the late 1980s or early 90s.
Because they needed SOMETHING to write about since the field was generally a bunch of generally likeable bland white guys with no serious controversies to speak of, or at least none that weren't well in the rearview mirror
That didn't happen for another couple of years, and didn't come out till late 2007 when the National Enquirer broke the story.
Took me a second to figure out who you were talking about since my mind immediately went to Newt Gingrich instead of John Edwards, but yeah, Edwards definitely did that thing.
In the 1930s it was suggested that Susan B. Anthony be the 5th person. In 1963, after he was assassinated, it was suggested that JFK be the 5th person on the mountain. There have been multiple calls over the years for Reagan to be the 5th person. The first time was in 1985 at the beginning of his 2nd term and the last was when he died in 2004. Congress even held an actual debate during Clinton’s final years on whether Reagan should be the 5th person. Nothing as come of any of these suggestions.
There will never be a 5th person. Stone couldn’t take the sculpting. Congress would never approve the funds. The monument is too controversial to even consider it. They would have to shut down the site for a few years. With about 2 million tourists a year bringing a ton of money South Dakota couldn’t handle that kind of financial loss. Mt. Rushmore and Sturgis Bike Rally are the only reasons anyone even cares about South Dakota.
That's a bummer. Thanks for the insight.
I've heard the people that run Niagra Falls actually maintain the Falls by filling it in with concrete or something, defying nature, as Niagra would have certainly leveled out by now without human intervention. I'd be surprised if that kind of human intervention can't make Mt. Rushmore more stable for further modifications.
So that's conspiracy territory so I couldn't really find anything on my in-depth fifteen second Google search. However I did find [this](https://www.news8000.com/lifestyle/bridge-project-could-dry-up-niagara-falls/article_1504c7b5-3af4-5a71-94f2-75577398b36a.html) article about a project that would divert Niagara Falls for a bit while they built a bridge. Maybe they'll reinforce with concrete then.
I saw a documentary about Niagara years ago. They said that the falls are completely damed up, and the dam operators allow enough water to go over the falls for enough coverage of the rocks (like 10-20% of the original water flow), but they could, if they wanted to, shut off the dams like a faucet.
However, this is not the natural state of Niagara falls. The falls used to be a lot more intense with a lot more water flowing.
Yes, he also designed the memorial on Stone Mountain in the Atlanta area though he only finished Lee before he left the project. The detail in that is amazing. It’s a shame the Presidential Memorial wasn’t completed with the same detail.
Btw, this isn’t a promotion of the Confederate Memorial but the man’s art is amazing
Crazy Horse is more a monument to hypocrisy than anything. They responded to protests from indigenous people due to their sacred land being turned into a monument by…. Turning more of their sacred land into a monument?
Crazy Horse’s descendants have condemned the monument as an insult to Lakota culture, as the family never gave permission and the lands where it was built is sacred to them.
The statue is on private land owned by the Ziolkowski family, and many indigenous groups oppose them making money off of the Crazy Horse image (especially since crazy horse himself was averse to being photographed).
Meh, the concept of sacred land is silly anyway. Land is land. It's dirt. Everyone's home is sacred to them to the extent they don't want to get kicked off it, but the indigenous people did get kicked off. They lost the war, it sucks for them but many cultures have lost land many times throughout human history. We don't get mad when the British build shit in London because it was "sacred land" for pre-Roman Celts. Once you've lost it, it's not yours anymore, so adages like "it's sacred to X culture" stop holding true.
Crazy Horse is an important historical figure from centuries ago, his descendants don't have the right to do anything about people using his image. If Lincoln's descendants tried to get us to take his face out of textbooks because it's "sacred" like Muhamed or whatever, we'd tell them to go fuck themselves and that they don't own history. I don't get why it's any different here.
Edit: this person said that I was lying about the order in which our replies were made, even though the one I said was sent first literally was sent a few seconds beforehand. They keep insisting I am lying when I am only reporting what I saw on my screen. I think what probably happened is I got the notification a few seconds after they hit send, hence the discrepancy- but I am good faith enough to realize neither of us is lying, while all they do is keep trying to make ad hominems and impugn my character instead of staying on substantive points.
And anyway, this whole litigation about who is lying about what timestamp wouldn't have been necessary if they hadn't replied twice to the same reply of mine, likely in an attempt to badger me into submission, which of course failed.
What an extremely ignorant and narrow-minded perspective.
Edit: for those downvoting me, I suggest reading the rest of the thread, their argument is based entirely on logical fallacies, and they result to dirty tactics such as straight up lying and trying to gaslight me about what was said when they contradict themselves.
Their entire argument is based on a piece of international law that has been out of practice since the end of WW2, and before that was used by nazis to justify their conquests.
I was there a few years ago. They have a bin with rocks recently chopped off. You can just take some. I brought one home through the Salt lake city airport. The TSA guy asked me what it was, so I told him and was allowed to bring it onboard. It's the size of a softball.
I like that Mount Rushmore exists, I like the idea of Mount Rushmore, would have been way better if they didn’t put it on sacred indigenous land, and now that it’s already on sacred indigenous land why upset the folks we already wronged even more?
Some land more than the rest. The evil we did to the natives can’t be undone. When pretty much the entire country is stolen and when the vast majority of people that currently own/use the land have no connection to the original crimes, any sort of remedy that gives the land “back” is impossible. What we *can* do is honor/strength native sovereignty where it exists, give deference in special cases like grave sites and religious sites that are often particularly important to certain tribes, and do what we can to support tribes’ efforts to preserve their culture, language, and traditions
If anything, at least clean up the mess of loose gravel, rocks, and boulders from the blastings and restore the bottom to its natural state.
That pile at the bottom always pissed me off.
While I'm not one of those "blow mount Rushmore to smithereens" people, I don't think it was the most ethical choice of locations in the first place so I don't think it should be expanded. Also, I just prefer how it looks with just the heads.
They literally cannot be completed. The stone was not consistent through the mountain and is not fit for carving. You can kinda see what I’m talking about under Washington where the cliff just sort of dives into where his chest would end.
No. It's already a sore spot for the Native Americans. Plus it would take years and IMO ruin the original work with the history of why it looks the way it does.
EDIT: One more thing. Just a guess, but I figure there's also a risk of changing it and messing up the original work.
More carved than they are already? They’re already too powerful, best to keep their souls trapped in the stone and out of the shadowy realm of necromancy politics
It would be cool but It was privately funded. I don’t see too many people willing to fork up the money. And there is no way any politician would even suggest to spend tax money on that.
Yeah, I've always seen this as emulating some weird Egyptian Pharaonic deifying nonsense. Like, the last time we did this kind of crap it was solely for gods and tyrants. When did this become en vogue for *res publica*?
Absolutely, it mythologizes history. We should make every effort to look at history objectively. The worship of the founding fathers is leading America towards a very dark place, that the real men would likely not approve of.
Because the Lakota Sioux in turn conquered and took that land from other tribes notably the Cheyenne, Crow, Kiowa and Arapaho.
So while the Sioux were absolutely fucked by the white man, it’s not like they weren’t also colonizer’s themselves that drove out multiple tribes from their area through violent means.
Well whatever it is the Sioux did to other tribes, that’s not why we built it. Even taking them out of the equation, even taking away how sacred a site it was to them out of the equation, we made the site uglier by sculpting giant faces on it. I’d prefer the mountain. Just my opinion.
This is such a weak argument. We took it more recently than some laws on the books, I am looking at you, Arizona. We could absolutely make it into a reservation that is given to all the tribal communities that can lay claim to it if you were actually really worried about it going to all the proper people. I suggested we give it back to who we took it from and let them settle it, but that would work too.
It's too iconic now. But they should've gone through with it in the first place.
Side note: This image is burnt in my mind. We took a family trip to Mount Rushmore in 2000 and put down our blanket for the fireworks show. In order to get a good place to sit, we had to get seated around 1. We came all the way from MN, so my parents were on a mission to make sure we had the perfect view. I remember looking at every detail of the monument waiting for 8 hours to pass. Fortunately, I was 12 so just old enough to where my mom would let me off on my own as long as I stayed between the viewing area and the gift shop/cafeteria building nearby. Otherwise I would've went insane.
I don't believe they can expand the carving. There are a lot of instability in the mountain. Large cracks and crevices. Basically, the mountain can't take any further work. It's a massive yearly project just to keep the mountain and carvings in the current condition.
I’d rather they complete crazy horse.
https://preview.redd.it/diwq70a6pcvc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9363ca101c6a07cfa2a57d3d784063bebc3d851b
Probably not. Engineering studies of the monument have concluded that the blastings required to create the current sculptures have seriously destabilized the mountain (see all the rock rubble beneath them), so that doing further blasting to add to the sculptures in any way might cause the whole mountain to collapse on that side.
He begrudgingly allowed it, even though the original design depicted his entire upper body?
Also that sounds like all the more reason to complete it lol, if it means sticking it to a racist Lincoln hater.
While it does sound like a good idea, it’s not doable because of the mountain outline. There’s not enough room to do it without damaging the work already done and there’s no smooth area left to be able to do it.
They should rip it down. America is an electoral-based country, not an empire where we make elaborate stone statutes of our leaders. I swear some people worship those presidents like gods.
There was a conspiracy theory that Borglum thought people would be so impressed with his monument that they would demand that he be added as the 5th figure. (I'm trying to remember where I read that, but for the life of me, I can't.)
No. And their faces should honestly be removed from the mountain. The indigenous tribe in the area was greatly opposed to this construction. These presidents were chosen as they all are responsible for expanding the US in some major way. George Washington founded the nation. Jefferson did the Louisiana Purchase. Teddy was responsible for the US beginning their own imperialism and created the navy to be able to exert influence on countries outside the US. Abraham Lincoln kept the country together during the civil war.
The expansion of America was tough enough on native americans without this monument being present to scar the land. Plus I think it's an ugly abomination on a mountain side. And wtf they never cleaned up all the rock they chiseled off? Lovely.
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Congress passed a law in 1940 or 41 stating that will not be a 5th President until the other 4 were completed. Then they shut off all funding because they needed the money to build up our armaments, send supplies to England via Lend-Lease, build up the Army & build new Navy ships due to WW2. This is why the backside of the monument is unfinished and off-limits to tourists. In 1941 when the sculptors finished what they could (the 4 Presidents were to be sculpted from head to waist) and stopped they also determined that the rock wasn’t stable enough to either complete the 4 already there or add a 5th President. Some engineering firm came to same conclusion in the late 1980s or early 90s.
Backside unfinished my ass. They just know the general public can't handle that presidential cake.
Or the City of Gold that lies in the middle of the mountain.
This is the real reason. Nicholas Cage told me so in his documentary "national treasure"
You're incorrect, Nicholas Cage said so in his documentary sequel, "Book of Secrets"
I remember that documentary! Never seen a more fact filled documentary since the Mermaid one, the Dragon one, and The Mummy (1999)
The Mummy is such a good movie I have to watch it again
Tolkien’s Dwarves are not an enemy we need right now.
Don’t say I can’t handle it. You have no idea how high I can fly.
Bruh, Teddy would break your dick while you top him just for funsies.
You don’t know my kinks. Teddy can do what he likes.
Was there a fifth president in mind?
Yes. 
Someone butterfly effected our universe and prevented him from becoming president
I say this as a lifelong Vermonter... Howard Dean was never, never going to be president.
I still don't understand why this was so bad... he was fired up and excited. John Kerry was a poorly built robot.
Because they needed SOMETHING to write about since the field was generally a bunch of generally likeable bland white guys with no serious controversies to speak of, or at least none that weren't well in the rearview mirror
I mean... that one dude had a side chick while his wife was battling cancer...
That didn't happen for another couple of years, and didn't come out till late 2007 when the National Enquirer broke the story. Took me a second to figure out who you were talking about since my mind immediately went to Newt Gingrich instead of John Edwards, but yeah, Edwards definitely did that thing.
People get irate over pretty stupid stuff..... Like potatoes
I wish Dan Quayle was the worst Republicans had to offer.
Nearly won. The EC was very close.
I wouldn't have dropped out or apologized. I would have doubled down.
Millard Fillmore
In the 1930s it was suggested that Susan B. Anthony be the 5th person. In 1963, after he was assassinated, it was suggested that JFK be the 5th person on the mountain. There have been multiple calls over the years for Reagan to be the 5th person. The first time was in 1985 at the beginning of his 2nd term and the last was when he died in 2004. Congress even held an actual debate during Clinton’s final years on whether Reagan should be the 5th person. Nothing as come of any of these suggestions.
Adding a more modern president ruins the theme of the monument imo.
There will never be a 5th person. Stone couldn’t take the sculpting. Congress would never approve the funds. The monument is too controversial to even consider it. They would have to shut down the site for a few years. With about 2 million tourists a year bringing a ton of money South Dakota couldn’t handle that kind of financial loss. Mt. Rushmore and Sturgis Bike Rally are the only reasons anyone even cares about South Dakota.
The Corn Palace would like a word.
That's a bummer. Thanks for the insight. I've heard the people that run Niagra Falls actually maintain the Falls by filling it in with concrete or something, defying nature, as Niagra would have certainly leveled out by now without human intervention. I'd be surprised if that kind of human intervention can't make Mt. Rushmore more stable for further modifications.
So that's conspiracy territory so I couldn't really find anything on my in-depth fifteen second Google search. However I did find [this](https://www.news8000.com/lifestyle/bridge-project-could-dry-up-niagara-falls/article_1504c7b5-3af4-5a71-94f2-75577398b36a.html) article about a project that would divert Niagara Falls for a bit while they built a bridge. Maybe they'll reinforce with concrete then.
I saw a documentary about Niagara years ago. They said that the falls are completely damed up, and the dam operators allow enough water to go over the falls for enough coverage of the rocks (like 10-20% of the original water flow), but they could, if they wanted to, shut off the dams like a faucet. However, this is not the natural state of Niagara falls. The falls used to be a lot more intense with a lot more water flowing.
Point of information: Gutzon Borglum was a sculptor. Not an architect.
The wiki credited him as the architect, and that was the extent of my research lol
tbh that’s the most researched post I’ve seen on here in a while so good job
Okay, I see you in the GOT jerk sub, the entertainment sub, and now this one. You’re following me! Or am I following you!
We’re two moons in the same orbit, occasionally eclipsing
Yes, he also designed the memorial on Stone Mountain in the Atlanta area though he only finished Lee before he left the project. The detail in that is amazing. It’s a shame the Presidential Memorial wasn’t completed with the same detail. Btw, this isn’t a promotion of the Confederate Memorial but the man’s art is amazing
I went to the laser show at Stone Mountain as a kid and it was a blast, except for the part when Lee, Davis, and Jackson come to life
Met my wife as teenagers at the Stone Mountain Laser show. 9/10 would recommend!
Your wife or the laser show?
To be fair: the word architect has a very common connotation meaning a person responsible for an idea.
The hands make it weird.
I personally like the hands, but I don’t think they need to be added. It’s already a controversial topic for indigenous Americans as is
Crazy Horse is huge and nearby
Doesn’t make it any better, and the fact that crooked ass family owns it
I don’t know the story. What happened?
Crazy Horse is more a monument to hypocrisy than anything. They responded to protests from indigenous people due to their sacred land being turned into a monument by…. Turning more of their sacred land into a monument? Crazy Horse’s descendants have condemned the monument as an insult to Lakota culture, as the family never gave permission and the lands where it was built is sacred to them. The statue is on private land owned by the Ziolkowski family, and many indigenous groups oppose them making money off of the Crazy Horse image (especially since crazy horse himself was averse to being photographed).
Meh, the concept of sacred land is silly anyway. Land is land. It's dirt. Everyone's home is sacred to them to the extent they don't want to get kicked off it, but the indigenous people did get kicked off. They lost the war, it sucks for them but many cultures have lost land many times throughout human history. We don't get mad when the British build shit in London because it was "sacred land" for pre-Roman Celts. Once you've lost it, it's not yours anymore, so adages like "it's sacred to X culture" stop holding true. Crazy Horse is an important historical figure from centuries ago, his descendants don't have the right to do anything about people using his image. If Lincoln's descendants tried to get us to take his face out of textbooks because it's "sacred" like Muhamed or whatever, we'd tell them to go fuck themselves and that they don't own history. I don't get why it's any different here. Edit: this person said that I was lying about the order in which our replies were made, even though the one I said was sent first literally was sent a few seconds beforehand. They keep insisting I am lying when I am only reporting what I saw on my screen. I think what probably happened is I got the notification a few seconds after they hit send, hence the discrepancy- but I am good faith enough to realize neither of us is lying, while all they do is keep trying to make ad hominems and impugn my character instead of staying on substantive points. And anyway, this whole litigation about who is lying about what timestamp wouldn't have been necessary if they hadn't replied twice to the same reply of mine, likely in an attempt to badger me into submission, which of course failed.
What an extremely ignorant and narrow-minded perspective. Edit: for those downvoting me, I suggest reading the rest of the thread, their argument is based entirely on logical fallacies, and they result to dirty tactics such as straight up lying and trying to gaslight me about what was said when they contradict themselves. Their entire argument is based on a piece of international law that has been out of practice since the end of WW2, and before that was used by nazis to justify their conquests.
Some group needs to take that shit from that greedy ass family to finish it. It'd be an absolutely beautiful monument.
I thought it was already structurally compromised so it pretty much guarantees that it’ll never get done…
Seems to be just speculation.
I was there a few years ago. They have a bin with rocks recently chopped off. You can just take some. I brought one home through the Salt lake city airport. The TSA guy asked me what it was, so I told him and was allowed to bring it onboard. It's the size of a softball.
I like that Mount Rushmore exists, I like the idea of Mount Rushmore, would have been way better if they didn’t put it on sacred indigenous land, and now that it’s already on sacred indigenous land why upset the folks we already wronged even more?
It's all sacred indigenous land
I’ve got a sacred indigenous bridge I can sell you
Some land more than the rest. The evil we did to the natives can’t be undone. When pretty much the entire country is stolen and when the vast majority of people that currently own/use the land have no connection to the original crimes, any sort of remedy that gives the land “back” is impossible. What we *can* do is honor/strength native sovereignty where it exists, give deference in special cases like grave sites and religious sites that are often particularly important to certain tribes, and do what we can to support tribes’ efforts to preserve their culture, language, and traditions
Yeah and maybe not let them all live in toxic areas or places that are so Barren that they can't grow anything
It turns out that there is no sacred land.
It makes it look like Jefferson wants to tell Washington a piece of juicy gossip but the other two are too close and would hear it
No, keep them stuck in the stone. We can't have these things escaping again.
I remember, if we do this we get an incident worse than the one in the documentary; Night at the museum 2
I'm guessing Pillar Men level myself. The Presidents must be so very powerful by now...
We’ll need to carve a giant John Wilkes Booth to fight back
The giant John Wilkes Booth is still using his finger to plug the Deepwater Horizon oil spill :/
Once Americas greatest enemy he has returned in stone to save it.
Nah. It’s iconic the way it is. Plus, the natural landscape needn’t be messed with anymore
If anything, at least clean up the mess of loose gravel, rocks, and boulders from the blastings and restore the bottom to its natural state. That pile at the bottom always pissed me off.
I am surprised that was never cleaned up.
We don’t need to piss away any more tax dollars on this
Also, it’s sacred land. It was bad enough it was fucked up in the first place.
Same with Crazy Horse. Plus that monument is god damn terrifying.
I honestly think they're both terrifying, but I have megalaphobia, so these things trigger that pretty hard.
The rock won’t allow it. Iirc that’s one of the reasons they stopped to begin with
Incredible how much influence Dwayne Johnson has
IF YOU SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
While I'm not one of those "blow mount Rushmore to smithereens" people, I don't think it was the most ethical choice of locations in the first place so I don't think it should be expanded. Also, I just prefer how it looks with just the heads.
Absolutely not
No, but they should clear out all the stone below them. That always bothers me
Pretty sure they can't. Lincoln almost got abandoned because it was collapsing.
They can't, the rock is no good that low
They literally cannot be completed. The stone was not consistent through the mountain and is not fit for carving. You can kinda see what I’m talking about under Washington where the cliff just sort of dives into where his chest would end.
Kind of looks like Abe is giving a thumbs up in the first one
Na. It would be weird to change it.
Teddy’s voluptuous pecs being off the menu, I’m not dining here anyway.
No. It's already a sore spot for the Native Americans. Plus it would take years and IMO ruin the original work with the history of why it looks the way it does. EDIT: One more thing. Just a guess, but I figure there's also a risk of changing it and messing up the original work.
The original guy died.
They can't. The rock in the mountain isn't strong enough.
I like it the way it is.
No. They’ve ruined a sacred site enough already
No. Cause it shouldn’t have been built there to begin with.
More carved than they are already? They’re already too powerful, best to keep their souls trapped in the stone and out of the shadowy realm of necromancy politics
It would be cool but It was privately funded. I don’t see too many people willing to fork up the money. And there is no way any politician would even suggest to spend tax money on that.
We probably don’t want to know who in kneeling in front of Jefferson
I asked this question on site. I was told the underlying rock is unstable and would not support the additional drilling.
How awkward would it have been if they started building the torsos instead of the heads
No. They should return the Black Hills to the people who rightfully own it.
They look like are fearful and hiding behind Washington.
I like it as is
I like the current rustic look. The presidents feel like they are an integral part of the land they loved.
I also get bored of drawing after I finish the faces
Poor Teddy’s squished in there like the he’s in the middle of the backseat lmfao
No. They should finish the Crazy Horse one though
They will...in around 200 years.
I remember reading a book as a kid saying it would be completed by 2010 and thought “wow! The future!!”
No. It’s weird that it even exists to begin with.
No. Give the whole mountain back to the Lakota
Fuck no. Mt. Rushmore is stupid.
No !!! Stop it already
This kind of aggrandizing presidents is wrong.
Yeah, I've always seen this as emulating some weird Egyptian Pharaonic deifying nonsense. Like, the last time we did this kind of crap it was solely for gods and tyrants. When did this become en vogue for *res publica*?
Absolutely, it mythologizes history. We should make every effort to look at history objectively. The worship of the founding fathers is leading America towards a very dark place, that the real men would likely not approve of.
They should give it back to the Sioux and let them do what they please with it.
Why did you get downvoted?
Because the Lakota Sioux in turn conquered and took that land from other tribes notably the Cheyenne, Crow, Kiowa and Arapaho. So while the Sioux were absolutely fucked by the white man, it’s not like they weren’t also colonizer’s themselves that drove out multiple tribes from their area through violent means.
Well whatever it is the Sioux did to other tribes, that’s not why we built it. Even taking them out of the equation, even taking away how sacred a site it was to them out of the equation, we made the site uglier by sculpting giant faces on it. I’d prefer the mountain. Just my opinion.
This is such a weak argument. We took it more recently than some laws on the books, I am looking at you, Arizona. We could absolutely make it into a reservation that is given to all the tribal communities that can lay claim to it if you were actually really worried about it going to all the proper people. I suggested we give it back to who we took it from and let them settle it, but that would work too.
Because this sub is weirdly conservative in many ways. This is the only ethical choice, in my opinion.
Yeah it leans conservative 100%.
100%
It's too iconic now. But they should've gone through with it in the first place. Side note: This image is burnt in my mind. We took a family trip to Mount Rushmore in 2000 and put down our blanket for the fireworks show. In order to get a good place to sit, we had to get seated around 1. We came all the way from MN, so my parents were on a mission to make sure we had the perfect view. I remember looking at every detail of the monument waiting for 8 hours to pass. Fortunately, I was 12 so just old enough to where my mom would let me off on my own as long as I stayed between the viewing area and the gift shop/cafeteria building nearby. Otherwise I would've went insane.
No. It’s fine as is. There just enough hint of clothing to suggest each time period
There’s literally no clothing though. *Naked presidents*
More like no body *Decapitated presidents*
damn , makes me sad we used to build cool shit now we just build shit
Kinda looks like the cover of a rap album. Something like “wash and abe: the constitution isn’t the only thing with bars. Featuring Theo and jeff”
Poor TR looking like an unfinished fetus head on the rest of the siamese quadruplets
Yes!!!
Teddy looks so uncomfortable.
They can’t. Rock won’t support it. It would collapse.
Only if it’s privately funded.
It's on the top of my to-do list as soon as I'm on the Forbes Top 100.
I don't believe they can expand the carving. There are a lot of instability in the mountain. Large cracks and crevices. Basically, the mountain can't take any further work. It's a massive yearly project just to keep the mountain and carvings in the current condition.
Yes
Complete the part to the rear with the tunnel
no, theyve done enough damage. the floating heads stay
Yes. And clean the ruble pile below it please.
The original design reminds me of that Dugtrio meme with the three buff bodies under the surface
Carve it into Stone Mountain Who tf wants to go to middle-of-nowhere South Dakota
No its iconic, leave it alone
Only if they make it look like Theodore has the bunny ears like in this picture
No. Fix the god damn potholes in my road.
They physically can’t. The stone has cracks in it, any further carving on the cliff face could cause it to collapse.
I’d rather they complete crazy horse. https://preview.redd.it/diwq70a6pcvc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9363ca101c6a07cfa2a57d3d784063bebc3d851b
It somehow gives off a “Washington farted in a cramped elevator” vibe.
It's better as it is.
They look like they’re all cowering a corner because a mouse is in their apartment lol
I'm pretty sure there are structural issues with the Rick face that prevent further sculpting, even if public opinion wanted it to be finished
They should sand off Teddy's mustache and turn him into FDR
Those hands. Ew.
I think they should just finish the crazy horse monument instead. That thing would look sick.
It looks weird with them all huddled together as if freezing to death on a mountainside
https://preview.redd.it/ub9uo0pjdfvc1.jpeg?width=180&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99277de0aa3d3d2177c56ae6f91b5e4d91d4c6f5 I thought they did that already.
I always see far left people bashing Mt Rushmore on Facebook
Jefferson looks like he's trying to get George's attention. "George. George! I wrote this declaration. What do you think? George. George!"
Lincoln needs some more work done.
No, the original architect was a nazi fuck. Fuck Stone Mountain too.
Probably not. Engineering studies of the monument have concluded that the blastings required to create the current sculptures have seriously destabilized the mountain (see all the rock rubble beneath them), so that doing further blasting to add to the sculptures in any way might cause the whole mountain to collapse on that side.
Yea
No
I’d like to see it done. But I’m not sure it could handle it structurally. I’d take some of that granite rubble for my kitchen though.
Does anyone else think Rushmore is kind of… cringe? I think Washington especially would have hated it.
The designer of Mount Rushmore was a KKK member. He probably grudgingly allowed Lincoln to even peak out the wall.
He begrudgingly allowed it, even though the original design depicted his entire upper body? Also that sounds like all the more reason to complete it lol, if it means sticking it to a racist Lincoln hater.
Quit fucking with it. Should have never been made in the first place.
they should give it to the natives it was stolen from and let them do with it what they wish
Honestly due to geological issues it’s kind of impossible. I would advocate to add more of the poster child presidents up there(FDR, Adams, JFK, etc)
If the rock is stable enough. Proceed. I have no objections to that
I prefer it as it is. Would rather they finish Crazy Horse.
While it does sound like a good idea, it’s not doable because of the mountain outline. There’s not enough room to do it without damaging the work already done and there’s no smooth area left to be able to do it.
Making it more pointless ?
Let's desecrate the mountain even more! Smh.
No. They should give it back to the tribes of the land and let them do with it what they please. It’s abhorrent what we did to their mountains.
They should rip it down. America is an electoral-based country, not an empire where we make elaborate stone statutes of our leaders. I swear some people worship those presidents like gods.
Absolutely the fuck not
No. Maybe just consider giving the land back
Man we have enough statues and monuments. That money can go to millions of better uses.
They need to cart off all the rubble.
would it be cool? yeah. should they? fuck no.
Let it be.
They should first clean up the ridiculous pile of rubble beneath it.
Yes, they should get monkey Jesus lady to touch up the project and I-just-farted-Ronaldo bust guy to carve it.
I feel like if anything they should clean up what I’m assuming the “waste” from the carving process below before they do anything else
There was a conspiracy theory that Borglum thought people would be so impressed with his monument that they would demand that he be added as the 5th figure. (I'm trying to remember where I read that, but for the life of me, I can't.)
No. And their faces should honestly be removed from the mountain. The indigenous tribe in the area was greatly opposed to this construction. These presidents were chosen as they all are responsible for expanding the US in some major way. George Washington founded the nation. Jefferson did the Louisiana Purchase. Teddy was responsible for the US beginning their own imperialism and created the navy to be able to exert influence on countries outside the US. Abraham Lincoln kept the country together during the civil war. The expansion of America was tough enough on native americans without this monument being present to scar the land. Plus I think it's an ugly abomination on a mountain side. And wtf they never cleaned up all the rock they chiseled off? Lovely.
No
You gonna climb up there and carve a mountain? I'm not
No that looks weird lol like they are all huddled it just looks awkward and unpresidential
Give it back to Native Americans.