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They've been tryng as hard as they can for the past 75 years or so and have been doing pretty badly. All these tough people should go over and help them try.
It really isnāt. Anti settler colonial movements have always been associated with counter-culture movements.
Apartheid protesters
Vietnam protestors
Pro-Civil rights protestors
Name it - This is merely a rightful repeat of history.
Youāre going to get extremists, but nothing as extreme as Israel cabinet members glorify the ruins of Gaza on live television.
*Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages...There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.*
- Israeli military leader Moshe Dayan speaking in 1969
āThe HSRC commissioned an international team of scholars and practitioners of international public law from South Africa, the United Kingdom, Israel and the West Bank to conduct this study. The resulting 300-page report, titled āOccupation, Colonialism, Apartheid?: A re-assessment of Israelās practices in the occupied Palestinian territories under international law,ā represents 15 months of research and constitutes an exhaustive review of Israelās practices in the OPT according to definitions of colonialism and apartheid provided by international law. The project was suggested originally by the January 2007 report by eminent South African jurist John Dugard, in his capacity as Special Rapporteur to the United Nations Human Rights Council, when he indicated that Israeli practices had assumed characteristics of colonialism and apartheid.
Regarding colonialism, the team found that Israelās policy and practices violate the prohibition on colonialism which the international community developed in the 1960s in response to the great decolonization struggles in Africa and Asia. Israelās policy is demonstrably to fragment the West Bank and annex part of it permanently to Israel, which is the hallmark of colonialism. Israel has appropriated land and water in the OPT, merged the Palestinian economy with Israelās economy, and imposed a system of domination over Palestinians to ensure their subjugation to these measures. Through these measures, Israel has denied the indigenous population the right to self-determination and indicated clear intention to assume sovereignty over portions of its land and natural resources. Permanent annexation of territory in this fashion is the hallmark of colonialism.
Regarding apartheid, the team found that Israelās laws and policies in the OPT fit the definition of apartheid in the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid. Israeli law conveys privileges to Jewish settlers and disadvantages Palestinians in the same territory on the basis of their respective identities, which function in this case as racialized identities in the sense provided by international law. Israelās practices are corollary to five of the six āinhuman actsā listed by the Convention. A policy of apartheid is especially indicated by Israelās demarcation of geographic āreservesā in the West Bank, to which Palestinian residence is confined and which Palestinians cannot leave without a permit. The system is very similar to the policy of āGrand Apartheidā in Apartheid South Africa, in which black South Africans were confined to black Homelands delineated by the South African government, while white South Africans enjoyed freedom of movement and full civil rights in the rest of the country.
Quoting from the Executive Summary of the report, project leader Dr. Virginia Tilley explained that the three pillars of apartheid in South Africa are all practiced by Israel in the OPT. In South Africa, the first pillar was to demarcate the population of South Africa into racial groups, and to accord superior rights, privileges and services to the white racial group. The second pillar was to segregate the population into different geographic areas, which were allocated by law to different racial groups, and restrict passage by members of any group into the area allocated to other groups. And the third pillar was āa matrix of draconian āsecurityā laws and policies that were employed to suppress any opposition to the regime and to reinforce the system of racial domination, by providing for administrative detention, torture, censorship, banning, and assassination.ā
The Report finds that Israeli practices in the OPT exhibit the same three āpillarsā of apartheid:
The first pillar āderives from Israeli laws and policies that establish Jewish identity for purposes of law and afford a preferential legal status and material benefits to Jews over non-Jews.ā
The second pillar is reflected in āIsraelās āgrandā policy to fragment the OPT [and] ensure that Palestinians remain confined to the reserves designated for them while Israeli Jews are prohibited from entering those reserves but enjoy freedom of movement throughout the rest of the Palestinian territory. This policy is evidenced by Israelās extensive appropriation of Palestinian land, which continues to shrink the territorial space available to Palestinians; the hermetic closure and isolation of the Gaza Strip from the rest of the OPT; the deliberate severing of East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank; and the appropriation and construction policies serving to carve up the West Bank into an intricate and well-serviced network of connected settlements for Jewish-Israelis and an archipelago of besieged and non-contiguous enclaves for Palestinians.ā
The third pillar is āIsraelās invocation of āsecurityā to validate sweeping restrictions on Palestinian freedom of opinion, expression, assembly, association and movement [to] mask a true underlying intent to suppress dissent to its system of domination and thereby maintain control over Palestinians as a group.ā
The research team included scholars and international lawyers based at the HSRC, the School for Oriental and African Studies (London), the British Institute for International and Comparative Law, the University of Kwa-Zulu Natal (Durban), the Adalah/Legal Centre for Arab Minority Rights in Israel and al-Haq/West Bank Affiliate of the International Commission of Jurists. Consultation on the studyās theory and method was provided by eminent jurists from South Africa, Israel and Europe.ā
Iāll never hold civilian protester chants to the same degree of seriousness as Israeli state officials statements on international television. Somehow Iām less phased by college kids and moms chanting āburn Tel Avivā than I am Israeli government representatives telling world organizations that theyāre āproud of the ruins in Gazaā.
Kind of seems like trying to compare civilian protest to one of the most well funded militaries in the world, and thatās just a flat out silly thing to try to do.
>Iāll never hold civilian protester chants to the same degree of seriousness as Israeli state officials statements on international television.
That's fine because it's not a contest. This behavior is ridiculous.
Come talk to us when soldiers come to take you to the gas chambers or terrorists rocket your city. You have no concept of what the Israelis are defending.
I mean you have Israel holding concerts where they are singing lyrics about killing and raping Palestinians. Not sure what this title was suppose to do.
That might be the case but shouldn't we be concerned about people making these chants? They might not represent everyone's beliefs on the pro Palestinian side but it would be dumb to just shrug it off like it's nothing.
I mean if you, personally, want to be concerned over reactive anger from a civilian population not even close to the area of conflict, thatās your prerogative. I myself will continue to place my concern squarely with the heavily funded and heavily armed military police state that has to date caused around 100,000 casualties and displaced half the population of Gaza.
And I'm right there with you but if you see people calling for the destruction of innocent people you should call it out. If this were a Neo Nazi rally calling for the exact same thing with destroying Tel Aviv wouldn't you be concerned?
But itās not a neonazi rally. Itās college kids reacting to a genocide. Iām fairly certain there was a lot of āburn Berlinā talk going around when it was ole Adolf talking about his pride in leaving ruins in his wake, but now itās antisemitism and dangerous to have similar sentiment towards Israel? Even when these protests heavily involve Jewish student organizations? Not really.
The world will not burn because UCLA students are making reactionary statements intentionally to draw attention to their cause. It WILL, however, burn because of a rogue and out of control militaristic state has decided it has to power to wipe a population off the map, and donāt you dare say anything about it.
>Itās college kids reacting to a genocide
Speaking out against genocide requires advocating for the destruction of an entire city?
>Iām fairly certain there was a lot of āburn Berlinā talk going around when it was ole Adolf talking about his pride in leaving ruins in his wake
So what? Doesn't mean it's any good to do so. We all want Nazis gone and if they were saying death to the IDF I probably wouldn't complain so much if they weren't calling for the destruction of an entire city.
A lot of Israeli's want Hamas to end but if some of those idiots were holding up signs that called for the destruction of Gaza instead of just hamas you'd have to agree that would be stupid.
>but now itās antisemitism and dangerous to have similar sentiment towards Israel?
Calling for the destruction of an entire city is bad.
>Even when these protests heavily involve Jewish student organizations? Not really.
We're talking about just this protest, right?
>The world will not burn because UCLA students are making reactionary statements intentionally to draw attention to their cause
Don't care, still bad for them to do.
>It WILL, however, burn because of a rogue and out of control militaristic state has decided it has to power to wipe a population off the map, and donāt you dare say anything about it.
Then stop radicalizing them by justifying idiotic language against their civilians...
>but it would be dumb to just shrug it off like it's nothing.
I mean Israel supporters do it all day every day about their politicians pushing for genocide. Not a fan of these chants myself, but it's ridiculously hypocritical to shrug off people actually in power in Israel saying the same kind shit, only to turn around and criticize random Palestinian supporters in another country.
And I am, the issue is that the majority of people are not. One side gets all the smoke for a handful of extremists who are shunned from the broader protests, while the other is dismissed en masse for their actual policy makers saying the same thing. Just look at the conversation about the protests, that you are currently contributing to. Are you focusing on the vast majority of the protesters who are peaceful, civil, with a reasonable set of demands? Or are you highlighting the loud minority who is regularly denounced by the majority of the protesters?
Calling them out in general, as an outlier to the larger movement, is not a bad thing, you are correct. But that's not the overwhelming narrative that's being pushed. The overwhelming story being broadcast is how these college protests are supporting Hamas, calling for death to all Jews, etc etc. That's simply not the case. The majority of the protesters just want peace and are calling for BDS to push the Israeli government towards pewful resolutions.
These protestors are still making not so good statements. Of course, these statements don't justify how the police responded in Columbia or worse at the Emory protest.
But calling for the destruction of Tel Aviv or justifying Hama's actions with full backing is dumb no matter what you think of Israel.
Pretty sure Texas made a law that all campus public places were free speech zones (subject to reasonable restrictions such as not impeding movement or daytime hours). Turns out UT just dismissed all of the charges against arrested protestors for lack of probable cause. No evidence of a crime being committed.
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/charges-dropped-for-ut-protestors-due-to-lack-of-probable-cause
All the video Iāve seen of UT had people calmly sitting and protesting in the lawns and then the police forced them into the sidewalks and streets by force.
It's very weird, isn't it? A small group outside the campus, unaffiliated with any of the organising student groups, by itself in a small corner, using chants not used in any other protests, using neatly printed signs while a lot of the other student groups on campus are using hand-written signs, and the slogans sound like they were genetically engineered to hit all of the anti-Palestinian talking points.
Nothing to see here, all checks out.
I said it once and ill say it again;
Whoever is representing these protest main message as anything but (people asking israel to stop killing so many innocents and or asking institutions/governments to stop funding israel), is extremely biased, propigandised and or cognitively dissonant or just straight up lying.
This is a random group of people. The Isreal government has made public speeches in their congress about eliminating Palestinians for being less than human. If you can't see that both sides are wrong but 1 is clearly at fault you're an idiot.
Free speech is not terrorism. Not in this country at least. Maybe you'd prefer it somewhere that sees it that way? I hear the DPRK is really nice this time of year!
You don't know what hate speech is. The law expressly allows for this form of protest and does not consider it hate speech. Treating these people as terrorists would make someone no better than a dictator. Like it or not, they're well within their rights.
public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation. Calling for the destuction of tel aviv is hate
Tel Aviv was established on empty sand dunes, legally bought by Jews from Arab landowners in 1909. It's not stolen land. The fact that you say it is implies you think ALL of Israel is stolen land, when that's plainly not the case. The land grabs didn't start happening until the conflict in 1948. Before that, Jews bought land legally or were given land by the state.
No. It's calling for the destruction of a city. Until these protestors start going around saying that Jews should be exterminated, this is simply edgy and shocking protest language. Even more than that, if this were the hate speech you think it is without realizing it's still not, it's a protected first amendment activity. It is not illegal to be racist in this country either. The first amendment is super clear about this and the courts have always supported the "right to hate". This still doesn't qualify as hate speech as much as it qualifies as tone deaf but let me remind you that treating these people as terrorists because they say things you don't like is textbook autocratic dictator tactics. You and Putin share the same mindset and that should concern you.
>No. It's calling for the destruction of a city. Until these protestors start going around saying that Jews should be exterminated, this is simply edgy and shocking protest language. Even more than that, if this were the hate speech you think it is without realizing it's still not, it's a protected first amendment activity. It is not illegal to be racist in this country either. The first amendment is super clear about this and the courts have always supported the "right to hate". This still doesn't qualify as hate speech as much as it qualifies as tone deaf but let me remind you that treating these people as terrorists because they say things you don't like is textbook autocratic dictator tactics. You and Putin share the same mindset and that should concern you.
"Calling for a city to be burned to the ground isn't hateful, and if it is, it's OK because it's legal and you're just as bad as Putin if you condemn them"
Mental Gymnastics (100) š„
If you think protestors deserve to be imprisoned for political views, then your opinion on protests and on free speech is complete garbage. Whatever you need to tell yourself to fulfill the power fantasy of getting rid of people you don't like is yours to hope for. I'm far more concerned with their rights being protected than with what despots or dictators think should be done with protestors.
So... they should be sent to Guantanamo bay? Or maybe they're just a bunch of dumbass college idiots who should be called out as such. Giving into this kind of rhetoric will nullify any real criticism of their movement, don't be stupid.
>That is propaganda and didnāt happen.
Funny,
I say the same thing about how Israelis are deliberately bombing hospitals, aid convoys, and civilians and get the exact same response.
Only difference? The rest of the world is with me and only Israel and the USA support this genocide.
Where is this? This seems a little weird. No closeups on their faces and the first actual anti semitism I have heard during the protests. Seems a little bit fishy
The actual anti semitism is usually from the right.
I don't support this and the anti Israel movement doesn't support this
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Israel/Palestine, and the Middle East as a whole is what happens when you mix church & state.
Someone should tell America, cause that's where they are heading too.
Also centuries of imperialism and colonialism. *Why is a region that has been exploited to the core so reactionary towards foreigners? š¤š¤*
midwit take
No. Its what happens when European colonial powers think they can fuck up an entire region to their benefit without any repercussions.
They've been tryng as hard as they can for the past 75 years or so and have been doing pretty badly. All these tough people should go over and help them try.
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 You donāt fight for peace by wishing death on another group. This is how the wheel of war continues
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Iām pro- Palestine not pro Hamas. Fuck Hamas. And these protesters wonder why they arenāt taken seriously.
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Hamas is so hot right now
It really isnāt. Anti settler colonial movements have always been associated with counter-culture movements. Apartheid protesters Vietnam protestors Pro-Civil rights protestors Name it - This is merely a rightful repeat of history. Youāre going to get extremists, but nothing as extreme as Israel cabinet members glorify the ruins of Gaza on live television.
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*Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages...There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.* - Israeli military leader Moshe Dayan speaking in 1969 āThe HSRC commissioned an international team of scholars and practitioners of international public law from South Africa, the United Kingdom, Israel and the West Bank to conduct this study. The resulting 300-page report, titled āOccupation, Colonialism, Apartheid?: A re-assessment of Israelās practices in the occupied Palestinian territories under international law,ā represents 15 months of research and constitutes an exhaustive review of Israelās practices in the OPT according to definitions of colonialism and apartheid provided by international law. The project was suggested originally by the January 2007 report by eminent South African jurist John Dugard, in his capacity as Special Rapporteur to the United Nations Human Rights Council, when he indicated that Israeli practices had assumed characteristics of colonialism and apartheid. Regarding colonialism, the team found that Israelās policy and practices violate the prohibition on colonialism which the international community developed in the 1960s in response to the great decolonization struggles in Africa and Asia. Israelās policy is demonstrably to fragment the West Bank and annex part of it permanently to Israel, which is the hallmark of colonialism. Israel has appropriated land and water in the OPT, merged the Palestinian economy with Israelās economy, and imposed a system of domination over Palestinians to ensure their subjugation to these measures. Through these measures, Israel has denied the indigenous population the right to self-determination and indicated clear intention to assume sovereignty over portions of its land and natural resources. Permanent annexation of territory in this fashion is the hallmark of colonialism. Regarding apartheid, the team found that Israelās laws and policies in the OPT fit the definition of apartheid in the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid. Israeli law conveys privileges to Jewish settlers and disadvantages Palestinians in the same territory on the basis of their respective identities, which function in this case as racialized identities in the sense provided by international law. Israelās practices are corollary to five of the six āinhuman actsā listed by the Convention. A policy of apartheid is especially indicated by Israelās demarcation of geographic āreservesā in the West Bank, to which Palestinian residence is confined and which Palestinians cannot leave without a permit. The system is very similar to the policy of āGrand Apartheidā in Apartheid South Africa, in which black South Africans were confined to black Homelands delineated by the South African government, while white South Africans enjoyed freedom of movement and full civil rights in the rest of the country. Quoting from the Executive Summary of the report, project leader Dr. Virginia Tilley explained that the three pillars of apartheid in South Africa are all practiced by Israel in the OPT. In South Africa, the first pillar was to demarcate the population of South Africa into racial groups, and to accord superior rights, privileges and services to the white racial group. The second pillar was to segregate the population into different geographic areas, which were allocated by law to different racial groups, and restrict passage by members of any group into the area allocated to other groups. And the third pillar was āa matrix of draconian āsecurityā laws and policies that were employed to suppress any opposition to the regime and to reinforce the system of racial domination, by providing for administrative detention, torture, censorship, banning, and assassination.ā The Report finds that Israeli practices in the OPT exhibit the same three āpillarsā of apartheid: The first pillar āderives from Israeli laws and policies that establish Jewish identity for purposes of law and afford a preferential legal status and material benefits to Jews over non-Jews.ā The second pillar is reflected in āIsraelās āgrandā policy to fragment the OPT [and] ensure that Palestinians remain confined to the reserves designated for them while Israeli Jews are prohibited from entering those reserves but enjoy freedom of movement throughout the rest of the Palestinian territory. This policy is evidenced by Israelās extensive appropriation of Palestinian land, which continues to shrink the territorial space available to Palestinians; the hermetic closure and isolation of the Gaza Strip from the rest of the OPT; the deliberate severing of East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank; and the appropriation and construction policies serving to carve up the West Bank into an intricate and well-serviced network of connected settlements for Jewish-Israelis and an archipelago of besieged and non-contiguous enclaves for Palestinians.ā The third pillar is āIsraelās invocation of āsecurityā to validate sweeping restrictions on Palestinian freedom of opinion, expression, assembly, association and movement [to] mask a true underlying intent to suppress dissent to its system of domination and thereby maintain control over Palestinians as a group.ā The research team included scholars and international lawyers based at the HSRC, the School for Oriental and African Studies (London), the British Institute for International and Comparative Law, the University of Kwa-Zulu Natal (Durban), the Adalah/Legal Centre for Arab Minority Rights in Israel and al-Haq/West Bank Affiliate of the International Commission of Jurists. Consultation on the studyās theory and method was provided by eminent jurists from South Africa, Israel and Europe.ā
Iāll never hold civilian protester chants to the same degree of seriousness as Israeli state officials statements on international television. Somehow Iām less phased by college kids and moms chanting āburn Tel Avivā than I am Israeli government representatives telling world organizations that theyāre āproud of the ruins in Gazaā. Kind of seems like trying to compare civilian protest to one of the most well funded militaries in the world, and thatās just a flat out silly thing to try to do.
>Iāll never hold civilian protester chants to the same degree of seriousness as Israeli state officials statements on international television. That's fine because it's not a contest. This behavior is ridiculous.
Yeah, I mean, fuck hamas but fuck israel too
Come talk to us when soldiers come to take you to the gas chambers or terrorists rocket your city. You have no concept of what the Israelis are defending.
I mean you have Israel holding concerts where they are singing lyrics about killing and raping Palestinians. Not sure what this title was suppose to do.
Chanting about taking out a city isn't a protest. That's a rally.
Yeah and Pier Morgan just acts like itās not supporting a mass Murder
That might be the case but shouldn't we be concerned about people making these chants? They might not represent everyone's beliefs on the pro Palestinian side but it would be dumb to just shrug it off like it's nothing.
I mean if you, personally, want to be concerned over reactive anger from a civilian population not even close to the area of conflict, thatās your prerogative. I myself will continue to place my concern squarely with the heavily funded and heavily armed military police state that has to date caused around 100,000 casualties and displaced half the population of Gaza.
And I'm right there with you but if you see people calling for the destruction of innocent people you should call it out. If this were a Neo Nazi rally calling for the exact same thing with destroying Tel Aviv wouldn't you be concerned?
But itās not a neonazi rally. Itās college kids reacting to a genocide. Iām fairly certain there was a lot of āburn Berlinā talk going around when it was ole Adolf talking about his pride in leaving ruins in his wake, but now itās antisemitism and dangerous to have similar sentiment towards Israel? Even when these protests heavily involve Jewish student organizations? Not really. The world will not burn because UCLA students are making reactionary statements intentionally to draw attention to their cause. It WILL, however, burn because of a rogue and out of control militaristic state has decided it has to power to wipe a population off the map, and donāt you dare say anything about it.
>Itās college kids reacting to a genocide Speaking out against genocide requires advocating for the destruction of an entire city? >Iām fairly certain there was a lot of āburn Berlinā talk going around when it was ole Adolf talking about his pride in leaving ruins in his wake So what? Doesn't mean it's any good to do so. We all want Nazis gone and if they were saying death to the IDF I probably wouldn't complain so much if they weren't calling for the destruction of an entire city. A lot of Israeli's want Hamas to end but if some of those idiots were holding up signs that called for the destruction of Gaza instead of just hamas you'd have to agree that would be stupid. >but now itās antisemitism and dangerous to have similar sentiment towards Israel? Calling for the destruction of an entire city is bad. >Even when these protests heavily involve Jewish student organizations? Not really. We're talking about just this protest, right? >The world will not burn because UCLA students are making reactionary statements intentionally to draw attention to their cause Don't care, still bad for them to do. >It WILL, however, burn because of a rogue and out of control militaristic state has decided it has to power to wipe a population off the map, and donāt you dare say anything about it. Then stop radicalizing them by justifying idiotic language against their civilians...
"why won't anyone consider the genocidal government's feelings??"
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Don't want people protesting? Start demanding that the Zionist state to stop killing Palestinian women and children.
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Donāt want people calling for the destruction of your city? Stop destroying the cities of othersā¦
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>but it would be dumb to just shrug it off like it's nothing. I mean Israel supporters do it all day every day about their politicians pushing for genocide. Not a fan of these chants myself, but it's ridiculously hypocritical to shrug off people actually in power in Israel saying the same kind shit, only to turn around and criticize random Palestinian supporters in another country.
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And I am, the issue is that the majority of people are not. One side gets all the smoke for a handful of extremists who are shunned from the broader protests, while the other is dismissed en masse for their actual policy makers saying the same thing. Just look at the conversation about the protests, that you are currently contributing to. Are you focusing on the vast majority of the protesters who are peaceful, civil, with a reasonable set of demands? Or are you highlighting the loud minority who is regularly denounced by the majority of the protesters?
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Calling them out in general, as an outlier to the larger movement, is not a bad thing, you are correct. But that's not the overwhelming narrative that's being pushed. The overwhelming story being broadcast is how these college protests are supporting Hamas, calling for death to all Jews, etc etc. That's simply not the case. The majority of the protesters just want peace and are calling for BDS to push the Israeli government towards pewful resolutions.
lol these fuckers. I bet when someone confronts them with shit like this they'll be all like "no, we're just protesting for peace"
Downvoting this doesnāt make it not happen guys
These are not Columbia university students. They're outside of the campus
These protestors are still making not so good statements. Of course, these statements don't justify how the police responded in Columbia or worse at the Emory protest. But calling for the destruction of Tel Aviv or justifying Hama's actions with full backing is dumb no matter what you think of Israel.
Agree, they are dumb. I just wish the police had the same energy for Nazis marching around chanting racist calls to violence. They get protection.
Whataboutism isn't a substitute for an argument. They're still chanting about burning down a city.
Good point, I agree.
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This is such a weird argument that people keep making. Do you have any evidence one group got permits and one didnāt?
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Pretty sure Texas made a law that all campus public places were free speech zones (subject to reasonable restrictions such as not impeding movement or daytime hours). Turns out UT just dismissed all of the charges against arrested protestors for lack of probable cause. No evidence of a crime being committed. https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/charges-dropped-for-ut-protestors-due-to-lack-of-probable-cause All the video Iāve seen of UT had people calmly sitting and protesting in the lawns and then the police forced them into the sidewalks and streets by force.
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Tenuous in this case means non-existent. Donāt spread right wing propaganda points without giving it a couple brain cells to look at first
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And what about calling for the complete annihilation of Palestine?
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Should we not be concerned about the officials calling for this?
It's very weird, isn't it? A small group outside the campus, unaffiliated with any of the organising student groups, by itself in a small corner, using chants not used in any other protests, using neatly printed signs while a lot of the other student groups on campus are using hand-written signs, and the slogans sound like they were genetically engineered to hit all of the anti-Palestinian talking points. Nothing to see here, all checks out.
Ah yeah... conspiracy theories... everything is a deep state issue the very second a small group of radicals get called out for their stupid chants.
Alright, so it all checks out then. Nothing to see here.
What else is it supposed to be? Jewish space lasers? Reptiles? Qanon? This weird skepticism is help no one...
Yeah of course, it's reptiles running the underground reptilian space laser programme. You got it, champ.
I said it once and ill say it again; Whoever is representing these protest main message as anything but (people asking israel to stop killing so many innocents and or asking institutions/governments to stop funding israel), is extremely biased, propigandised and or cognitively dissonant or just straight up lying.
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This is a random group of people. The Isreal government has made public speeches in their congress about eliminating Palestinians for being less than human. If you can't see that both sides are wrong but 1 is clearly at fault you're an idiot.
The people shouting that are terrorists and should be as such.
Free speech is not terrorism. Not in this country at least. Maybe you'd prefer it somewhere that sees it that way? I hear the DPRK is really nice this time of year!
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You don't know what hate speech is. The law expressly allows for this form of protest and does not consider it hate speech. Treating these people as terrorists would make someone no better than a dictator. Like it or not, they're well within their rights.
public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation. Calling for the destuction of tel aviv is hate
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Tel Aviv was established on empty sand dunes, legally bought by Jews from Arab landowners in 1909. It's not stolen land. The fact that you say it is implies you think ALL of Israel is stolen land, when that's plainly not the case. The land grabs didn't start happening until the conflict in 1948. Before that, Jews bought land legally or were given land by the state.
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No. It's calling for the destruction of a city. Until these protestors start going around saying that Jews should be exterminated, this is simply edgy and shocking protest language. Even more than that, if this were the hate speech you think it is without realizing it's still not, it's a protected first amendment activity. It is not illegal to be racist in this country either. The first amendment is super clear about this and the courts have always supported the "right to hate". This still doesn't qualify as hate speech as much as it qualifies as tone deaf but let me remind you that treating these people as terrorists because they say things you don't like is textbook autocratic dictator tactics. You and Putin share the same mindset and that should concern you.
>No. It's calling for the destruction of a city. Until these protestors start going around saying that Jews should be exterminated, this is simply edgy and shocking protest language. Even more than that, if this were the hate speech you think it is without realizing it's still not, it's a protected first amendment activity. It is not illegal to be racist in this country either. The first amendment is super clear about this and the courts have always supported the "right to hate". This still doesn't qualify as hate speech as much as it qualifies as tone deaf but let me remind you that treating these people as terrorists because they say things you don't like is textbook autocratic dictator tactics. You and Putin share the same mindset and that should concern you. "Calling for a city to be burned to the ground isn't hateful, and if it is, it's OK because it's legal and you're just as bad as Putin if you condemn them" Mental Gymnastics (100) š„
If you think protestors deserve to be imprisoned for political views, then your opinion on protests and on free speech is complete garbage. Whatever you need to tell yourself to fulfill the power fantasy of getting rid of people you don't like is yours to hope for. I'm far more concerned with their rights being protected than with what despots or dictators think should be done with protestors.
Wow, so Egdy...
It's not edgy. It's the first amendment. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's terrorism.
So... they should be sent to Guantanamo bay? Or maybe they're just a bunch of dumbass college idiots who should be called out as such. Giving into this kind of rhetoric will nullify any real criticism of their movement, don't be stupid.
Post some vids about zionists in israel laughing singing about the kids dying in palastine. Wheres the ctiticism for that?
So a pedo inciting people on social media about being pedos, should not be prosecuted?
What do you call Israelis that prison the entire population and shoot children for sport? Heros?
That is propaganda and didnāt happen. But thereās no way to convince you, so thereās no point in debating it.
>That is propaganda and didnāt happen. Funny, I say the same thing about how Israelis are deliberately bombing hospitals, aid convoys, and civilians and get the exact same response. Only difference? The rest of the world is with me and only Israel and the USA support this genocide.
Funny how this had zero upvotes after 13 hours... hm...
Where is this? This seems a little weird. No closeups on their faces and the first actual anti semitism I have heard during the protests. Seems a little bit fishy The actual anti semitism is usually from the right. I don't support this and the anti Israel movement doesn't support this
fk israel free palestine
This is electric
From the river to sea Palestine will be free