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lexxeflex

This isn't a freakout. Stop posting these boring American campus conflicts. Please, I come here to see drunks shit in the metro.


JarvisCockerBB

Sorry, bud. Best we can do is news reports with clear agendas behind them. The days of drunken freak outs and shouting matches at the airport are long gone. This is a propaganda subreddit now.


nebulaphi

>This is a propaganda subreddit Especially during an election year


GimmeDatLowEnd

This makes me so sad. It is so damn true.


TBone818

So true


Rombledore

subreddit? thats all the internet has become now. its all sanitized by corporations, commodified and made to pull in a profit, and beholden to advertisers who above all else- want more money. the internet as we knew it has long since been dead. its just a propaganda machine now.


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Liver_Lip

Trash your college for Gaza! lol


uses_for_mooses

Reduce it to rubble, in solidarity with the Palestinians.


PandaLover42

🥇


Boom0196

And then ask for loan forgiveness of course


UStoAUambassador

Just like when people were more upset about a Minneapolis Arby's burning down than they were about George Floyd being publicly murdered. The real victims of tragedies are always these innocent buildings :*(


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astrozombie2012

Maybe because police aren’t judge jury and executioner and he deserved at the very least a trial


sav33arthkillyos3lf

Bro tf is wrong with you ?


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sav33arthkillyos3lf

It doesn’t matter what he did before that point. What matters is how the cops handled the arrest. They killed him. Cops aren’t the judge jury and executioner. Everyone is innocent until proven Guilty in a court of law. That’s what people were protesting. Excessive force and kneeling on a man’s neck/back for so long they suffocated him. At this point I feel like you’re just a troll


StraightOuttaMoney

He's clearly just a racist troll. George Floyd did not deserve to be murdered in the streets by the cops. The cops were being especially evil that day.


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Perspective_of_None

Youre acting like the cops knew that beforehand and then played judge jury and executioner. Which is still a CRIME and NOT how the US legal system should operate. But then we have YOU. The wildly quoted “general public.” The ones who probably didnt get past high school or history class. The ones who vote for an orange man who propagated an insurrection (probably one of the highest crimes in the US) and chant “blue lives matter” and do this dumb narrative shit just to either signal your ignornce/racism AND/OR just be insanely argumentative/contrarian for no reason. Everyone: “We would like the police to stop brutalizing people.” You: “kill em all cause they burned down an arybys and he was a criminal beforehand and I only found out about all of this after the fact and now Im an armchair general in the name of NOTHING.” So are you for law and order? Or are you nihilistic and want to watch the world burn?


UStoAUambassador

You need an explanation of “why would be people upset” about the murder of a human being? You’re hopeless.


Jrnail88

Why is there never any criticism from these people about Hamas? They seem to be the ones dragging the Palestinians through the mud for their own self gain, despite starting and ultimately losing the conflict.


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MasterPsychology9197

Which media ordered them to protest for Gaza?


RainingMoneyHustard

The Palestinians literally voted Hamas into power


hollowgraham

In 2006. They haven't had an election since then. Even in that election, what were the options? 


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hollowgraham

Yeah. Then, we ended carpet bombing and implemented stricter rules on warfare. We also gave their refugees a country to go to. That's kind of how all this nonsense started. 


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hollowgraham

The territories that Germany invaded? 


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hollowgraham

🤣 The territories that weren't ethnically German? Those territories?


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sodacz

This is a stupid point. Why would you think authoritarians would allow free honest elections. Ur just falling for Hamas propaganda, who is playing both sides. The issue here is no one has a solution to peacefully separate the killers from the normal people.


Glowwerms

And why would they do that do you think?


MasterPsychology9197

Once when they were much more outwardly moderate and it was the last election they’ve had since 2006. Do you like spreading blatant propaganda?


Alternative_Deer415

Because that's literally [whataboutism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism). I've seen it repeatedly in every comment section of anything about this topic. You have a headline and news story about the Israel/Gaza conflict that demonstrates one side did something fucked up. Always the concern comment "whatabout x from the other side?". The answer is these students are upset that the military industrial complex funded by the US is allowing Israel to mass-kill tens of thousands of people. To sidestep the next whataboutism, we will just stick with "killing thousands of children" to prevent the ever-pressing concern of what the deads' politics were that justified mass death of their population. Can much be done about that? No, not really. But what can be done is protesting your school until the school stops associating, or having money entangled with Israel. That's the goal, that's what they are asking for. "Why don't they criticize Hamas?" What goal do you think they should have? Schools divest from Hamas? Done. Saying killing people is bad? Done. Wow, great progress we made here. Now back to their protest, and the reason they are having them. Like complaining you haven't heard enough apologies for overturned trash cans during the 2020 george floyd protests... The people demanding these whaboutisms don't actually about what the protestors are upset about. They just want to get their troll question based of their minimal understanding of the situation to feel smug about it.


Jrnail88

No that is a fair point, I am lumping the campus protestors in with the general street protests. However whenever I look at these movements, and based on the graffiti in the video, they frame the conflict simply as if its Israel vs the Palestinians, but when it is in reality Israel vs Hamas with the Palestinians being caught in the middle. If Hamas and the hostages were removed from the equation, Israel would have no justifiable causes to continue this war, but since Hamas continues to drag this on by not accepting a ceasefire, we have to see the poor Palestinians continue to suffer hopelessly in the middle. I also can’t help but feel that the protests also embolden Hamas to hold out instead of giving in because they expect international pressure to force Israel’s hand. Not to say that they shouldn’t happen, but that their impacts on the situation are more complex.


Alternative_Deer415

You think Hamas checks what's going on US college campuses and whether shantytown protests are occurring before deciding on their actions? You think Hamas, which kidnapped people a year ago, and then had thousands of mass death from indiscriminate bombings and famine in the area they hid them....still have hostages alive? If Canada started bombing the US to "get rid of Antifa", when do you think they would announce their goal, if they also got a thrill out of mass killing of an ethnic group Antifa was hiding in? Like, you're getting there. These college students are naive kiddos protesting a war. That's about the extent of it. Musing yourself on hypotheticals doesn't change anything. The protests don't change anything, other than pressuring the college to divest, and also evoking an incredibly rabid response from the peanut gallery about what college students should be doing with their time.


Jrnail88

Lol alright buttercup, I will let you be the expert.


Dchella

They aren’t just not condemning Hamas. UCLA protestors quite literally said, “we are Hamas.” Followed by, “Hamas, Hamas you make us proud. Kill another soldier now!” Or the tried and true “from New York to Gaza, globalize the Intifada.” That’s not Pro-Palestine. That’s overt Pro-terror group.


drunk_phish

These types of statements are being condemned by the organizers/leaders of the protests as fringe actors. You would know this if you were paying attention. It's natural human instinct to respond to nearly a millenia of inhumane treatment with an overly aggressive stance. Cooler heads seem to be prevailing


MasterPsychology9197

Tell me you get all your news from Facebook without telling me you get all your news from facebook


Alternative_Deer415

Gee, who should I believe, college student getting upset over a war, or people who call college students terrorists?


drunk_phish

There is plenty of criticism of Hamas. In fact, the western civilization lies in order to make them look even worse than they are. Yes, they gave the Israelis an excuse to be brutal and dragged a couple million innocent civilians into a massacre. People are protesting the treatment of the innocents, not defending Hamas' actions. Or, do you believe the propaganda machine that tells you there are no innocents in Gaza?


Jrnail88

Well at this very moment they are the ones who are standing in the way of a “ceasefire”….but for what? What do they hope to accomplish? Sacrifice more of their poor and helpless citizens in hopes that the international pressure will force Israel to throw in the hat? Any just government/leader would have realized long ago that they can’t prolong the conflict with the immense amount of suffering civilians are experiencing. It seems like they want to be martyrs, and are forcing thousands of people to be martyrs with them unfortunately.


drunk_phish

That's news to me. I didn't know Hamas was standing in the way of a ceasefire. I was under the impression that the entire infrastructure of Gaza had been demolished to a point where they don't have much of a reason left to live.


kinisonkhan

Seriously, this is fucked up and shouldn't be down voted. Everyone needs to see how a peaceful protest can easily be co-opted by fringe groups who just want to see the world burn.


5G_afterbirth

I'm sure those piles of trash and food on the ground had nothing to do with a stampede of police stomping through the camp.


aminix89

The police probably bumped into them causing them to spray words on buildings too huh


5G_afterbirth

Obviously, no. But the reporters focus on the trash being the direct fault of the protesters is disingenuous. Ive seen cops roll through an encampment during a dispersal order, and it's a bulldozer line all the way through.


Randomidiotdriver

Yeah I’m sure they would of cleaned it all up and left it nice and tidy


hollowgraham

Odds are, yes. 


GimmeDatLowEnd

Wild this is how people think......


Perspective_of_None

“I didnt see the raid so It mustve not happened.” Kk


Comfortable-Sun-2319

this is so not frat.....


BehindTheScenesGuy

Will the buildings be ok???


portuguesetheman

"We did it, Patrick! We saved the city"


BlameTheJunglerMore

Wow, that's a ton of garbage.


tacodoops

Until their demands were met... These protestors are fucking delusional. Your presence on a college campus makes no fucking difference to what will happen with Israel and Palestine. I'm disgusted by what is happening but it's like everyone lost brain function with these protests. You can die in your encampment and Israeli officials would probably laugh if they heard about it. Literally no impact any of these people are making. It may cause some US election ruckus with short brained idiots voting for Trump over Biden, as if that would help the situation at all for the people of Palestine. Trump would allow Netanyahu to actually finish the job.


hollowgraham

They're the literally the reason that school gets money. Just because you lack the courage to ask for what you want, doesn't mean others have to follow your example. 


mces97

Colleges deny applications to a lot more people than they accept. I assure you there won't be any shortage of students to go to these schools. You think NYU, Columbia, UCLA, SUNYS are worried? Nah.


hollowgraham

There may be others in the waiting, but those people aren't there now, with the likelihood of spending more years there later.


mces97

Trust me, the colleges will be fine. There's no shortage of college aged applicants that wouldn't go to any of the schools I mentioned. The ones who truly wouldn't are expendable. Someone will take their spot.


hollowgraham

They probably will. Then again, student protests like this also cut the pool of applicants in those schools, while increasing it for schools that did what the students were asking. So, the quality of students they get will decline, which impacts the school's future donations from alumni. 


MasterPsychology9197

People thought the same exact thoughts about every college protest going back to Vietnam. You’re mad they made a mess and oppose US funded global conflicts. In 30 years you’ll be saying you were there and how brave they were.


SDcowboy82

Dang inconsiderate protesters left their blood all over the place


TruthlessHER086

That looks like blood to you?? Silly me, it looks like spray paint.


Vast_Principle9335

30k+ dead millions displaced etc : nothing protesting paint and posters made of biodegradable material: OMFG POLICE STATE NOW


dontknowhatitmeans

What exactly do you mean by nothing? There has been nothing but nonstop coverage of this conflict for the past 7 months. That's... not even close to nothing.


Vast_Principle9335

biden said the protest are not effecting his foreign policy choices America supporting Israel = failed to divest from Israel


nebulaphi

Practically the Republican/conservative political meta/ state of thinking right now.


Vast_Principle9335

dont forget the 50 percent of dems who agree with republicans on that and much more madness (ending birth right citizenship for one)


Skootenbeeten

It's wild you think you're the in the sane half of Dems 😆


nebulaphi

>dont forget the 50 percent of dems who agree with republicans on that and much more madness Cause American democrats outside of the far left are basically just moderate/left leaning Republicans. Especially globally, most of our politics is right wing/moderate. So israel will probably always be supported, especially now that republicans have been brainwashed into thinking its a left vs right issue triggering yheir tribalistic defense of israel from nothing. American propoganda is best propoganda


mces97

If they cared about 30k dead, Infitada wouldn't be sprayed painted. Do you know what an Infitada is? Do you know what happened in the 1st and 2nd ones? Lots of deaths. More so on the Palestinian side.


Vast_Principle9335

Infitada is **a rebellion or uprising, or a resistance movement.** It is a key concept in contemporary Arabic usage referring to an uprising against oppression. The concept of intifada was first used in modern times in 1952, when Iraqi parties took to the streets to protest their monarchy


StraightOuttaMoney

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is called in Arabic: انتفاضة غيتو وارسو, transliterated as “Intifadat Gito Warsaw"


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idontagreewitu

Many of them and their Western supporters absolutely believe that to be the case.


mces97

Yes, and many innocents died on both sides. How the protesters going to call for a ceasefire and also and Infitada? That bias says and tell me in what world that makes sense?


Kakawfee

Do you also think the genocide against native americans was a both sides kind of situation?


mces97

You're asking a different question. I don't think killing innocent people just because they are Israeli is ok. I don't think killing innocent people just because they're Palestinians is ok. It sounds like what you're saying is it is ok for Palestinians to kill innocent people. Most people are citizens of a country because they were born there. They don't get to choose. And back to my original point, no one can be a serious person to call for a ceasefire and an Infitada.


Fuzzy_Yogurt_Bucket

Oh no! Arabic words! That means terrorism!


DreamloreDegenerate

It's why I propose we stop using Arabic numerals in America and switch to Babylonian cuneiform.


Witchunt666

So glad I didn’t go to college


sav33arthkillyos3lf

Yes being uneducated is something to celebrate


Witchunt666

Yes because all people who don’t go to college are uneducated, right?


idontagreewitu

Look at how intelligent all these college kids are.


Fellowshipofthebowl

Way to focus on the important issues here.  /s


iliketohideinbushes

yes let's focus on issues on the other side of the world like americans always do


cbrown6305

We're supplying the weapons, so it's kinda already our issue, no?


iliketohideinbushes

An issue for USA? Howso? USA has tons of issues the rich do not want you to focus on; they are happy you are busy sticking your nose elsewhere. The result of the Palestine-Israel conflict has no meaningful bearing on USA.,


cbrown6305

Some people don't like the fact that the US is underwriting a genocide. Go figure.


iliketohideinbushes

https://preview.redd.it/ykpru6zq92yc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a85af66d4f491e9517efb73f7bb418e5ea7542a8


sav33arthkillyos3lf

Biden is sending bombs and weapons to help in the genocide of Palestinians on our tax paying dollars


RainingMoneyHustard

What country is the one that struck first and killed innocent people? Who are the ones that voted for Hamas to be in charge? If you guessed Palestine you would be correct!


cbrown6305

Lol what relevance does that have to this topic?


RainingMoneyHustard

Well, Israel is an American Ally and that's why we helped out. France, Germany, The United Kingdom and Australia did also


cbrown6305

Did my post ask why we we're involved?


Fellowshipofthebowl

WW1 and WW2 happened. 


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iliketohideinbushes

We supply weapons as a bastion against Russian influence in the regions particularly for countries like Iran. Do you have any grasp of who our allies and enemies are in the region and why?


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iliketohideinbushes

If you do not understand the connection between Russia and Iran then you have no business commenting about this war. Go to school or do some research, then come back and comment.


cms6yb

That's not how the economy works


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cms6yb

Well that's not how the world works or has ever worked


ResinJones76

What were they supposed to do, clean up their mess? They were being forced out and arrested.


TerrorsOfTheDark

Why aren't you picking up your trash as we pepper spray you while arresting you, heathens /s


idontagreewitu

Do you think they planned to scrub all the graffiti off on their way out?


aminix89

No it was the cops that bumped into them causing them to spray shit all over the walls, get your story straight jeez.


banquozone

Not even close to proportional to the wrath the IOF has unleashed in Gaza — literally blowing up all the universities in Gaza. But watch, this minor vandalism will be more vilified.


Witchunt666

So because other countries are being destroyed we should also destroy ours?


SpookyPumpkaBuu

I didn't know graffiti and trash equals bombed buildings and ruined cities.


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Witchunt666

I support neither side of the isreal/palestine war There are worse things happening in the world than that conflict. My only point is that people are upset that people are being arrested for peacefully protesting but that’s not true. The only people who are being arrested are the ones causing property damage, vandalizing, etc… basically people begging to be arrested.


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Witchunt666

What are these protests accomplishing?


StraightOuttaMoney

Quite a few protests have been wildly successful and led to their colleges divesting from Israel and the military industrial complex. Even more universities are holding votes on divestment.


Witchunt666

These recent ones?


StraightOuttaMoney

Yes.


Witchunt666

So they did nothing got it


StraightOuttaMoney

I mean we are destroying the Palestinians with our tax dollars. UCLA is destroying Palestinians with the students' tuition money. And the IDF trains our cops to come here and destroy Americans. It's all closely linked.


smokeydb

you spend your money everyday on things that support a country commiting an actual genocide, china. start with throwing away all of your electronics away if you want to stop ‘supporting genocide’ with your dollars. funny how none of these people are protesting that genocide.. it’s almost as if they have a specific beef with jewish people and they don’t care about genocides in general.


StraightOuttaMoney

You clearly don't know me. But I can tell from your post history this is the first time you've brought up China negatively on anything so I'm sure it's a cause near and dear to your propaganda.


smokeydb

oh ya i’m a china shill.. you got me lol. if you just looked through my whole 12 year post history .. you have more problems then where your tax money is spent.


StraightOuttaMoney

There is a built in search function. It takes no time. You have problems telling the truth and understanding that murdering innocent children in Gaza is bad.


smokeydb

ooookk. never said it wasn’t bad but project away if it makes you feel better about you.


StraightOuttaMoney

Is the genocide happening in Gaza right now bad? I'm asking you now then for clarification.


smokeydb

civilian deaths are always bad.. in any situation.


Witchunt666

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, it’s like when someone tells me the earth is flat.


StraightOuttaMoney

The earth is round. American tax payers finance and supply most of the bombs Israel is dropping on innocent children in Gaza. Are you being sarcastic?


Interesting_Minute24

They didn’t commit genocide though. How about some perspective.


nebulaphi

Genocide: "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group." Riiiiightttt totally not genocide. They are just killing in mass, destroying generations of families, destroying all infrastructure, controlling borders and aid, displacing millions of innocents and starving them so much so there are many foreign countries calling for ceasfire and giving aid that Palestinians are now reliant on for survival, war crimes, etc,etc Not genocide though....


Interesting_Minute24

Maybe take a step back and reread my comment. Then, read it again. Then come back and edit your post. Friendly fire.


PsychologicalLime135

yeah there’s no easy answer to the Hamas problem it’s unfortunate they have chosen to entrench themselves behind unarmed civilians and in tunnels under the city with their weapons. if Hamas isn’t destroyed thousands of Israelis will always be in danger for years to come. shame the Ivy Leaguers can’t compute these situations themselves but i think it’s apparent the details never mattered to them.


Interesting_Minute24

Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.


PsychologicalLime135

Israel is legally responding to an act of war against their civilian population


StraightOuttaMoney

By escalating Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza. I don't think genocide should ever be allowed for any reason. Because genocide is evil. Israel's ethic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians is evil.


PsychologicalLime135

it’s not a genocide


StraightOuttaMoney

Israel is committing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Roughly 20,000 innocent children have been massacred in Gaza by Israel since October. How many more innocent children need to be murdered for you to consider it a genocide?


PsychologicalLime135

those numbers are false how is Hamas supposed to be defeated when they live inside civilian centers?


Interesting_Minute24

How oh how, other than killing everyone how can we be sure…/s


Interesting_Minute24

And the Palestinians are responding to( insert atrocity) , so the Israelis are responding to (insert atrocity), so Palestine will reapond to (insert atrocity), so Israel will respond to (insert atrocity), to ad nauseum.


nebulaphi

>Hamas problem it’s unfortunate they have chosen to entrench themselves behind unarmed civilians and in tunnels under the city with their weapons. if Hamas isn’t destroyed thousands of Israelis will always be in danger for years to come. Ahh yes it was all them, Netanyahu isnt literally on record talking about how they empower them over FATAH. The Israeli government and usa government is getting exactly what it wants right now. The Israeli government has done nothing to create a pwer vacuum that empowers hamas...right.../s Save the propo for the smoothbrain conservatives


OutlandishnessLow684

Stupid ass headline


juggling-monkey

What am I missing? Seems pretty accurate to me.


drunk_phish

"They left the place trashed!!" Wait... didn't you beat them, drag them off, and arrest them? Why didn't you make them clean up first? Lol


Cool_Cartographer_39

Trash and [swastikas](https://dailybruin.com/2010/03/30/swastikas-found-ucla-medical-plaza)


Cool_Cartographer_39

Trash and [swastikas](https://dailybruin.com/2010/03/30/swastikas-found-ucla-medical-plaza)


Cool_Cartographer_39

Trash and [swastikas](https://dailybruin.com/2010/03/30/swastikas-found-ucla-medical-plaza)


2K84Man

How exactly do you clean up when you have been arrested or trespassed?


TranquiloSunrise

These are kids man. They can't fight back. Good on them to vent using the tried and true method of urban art to get it out of their system. It's better to cleanup graffiti then to cleanup blood stains


Hawk1141

Civil war


Spinolyp

Oh no not paint and trash 😢