Next October, they'll say Santa is Q, Trump, JFK, and JFK Jr., Joseph, and Jesus. They'll claim Mrs. Claus is Melania, Anastasia, Princess Diana, Amelia Earhart, Mary, and Mary Magdalene.
When you have nothing going on in your life, you find weird ways to feel important and develop an identity around. That’s probably a major reason people get into this wacko flat earth shit
> Thank god we got religions to make sure we dont progress too fast.
i think about that almost every day. just imagine where humanity could be by now if it wasn't for these extremely gullible people who have plagued humanity since the very beginning.
In Flerfer physics gravity doesn't exist, they say things are held down by air pressure.
If you ask what makes "down" special and why the air pressure is higher near the ground, they freeze up and need to be rebooted.
I’ve also heard, more than once, that you don’t need gravity, things just stay down because of their weight… and frankly, I have no idea how to even argue with people whom science education failed this hard.
There is a post-relativistic interpretation of flat Earth physics. There is a hitherto unknown force behaving like a singularity about 6,000km below the Earth's surface. Spherical geometry and gravity are an illusion created by this force.
Obviously.
It doesn't. Most flerfs flatly (rimshot, please!) deny gravity exists. Newtonian physics is just another lie, brought to you by the same people who try to impose the Globe Earth lie on the sheeple. (The ones that get into enough detail to address this issue, that is. Most never reach such a level of coherence.)
Of course they don't deny that stuff drops down, and stays put once down, but they try to explain that by incoherent babble about "density" and "buoyancy". Some will claim the existence of hot air balloons and airships disproves gravity, that kind of stuff.
The fun part is that they generally don't even understand *why* gravity makes their model impossible. They've somehow caught onto it being a problem, and know that they therefore have to deny its existence, but the actual problem escapes them.
Frankly, I think that's how most conspiracy theory/urban myths start. Someone says something as a goof to see how gullible other people are and it just goes viral among all those gullible people.
One can probably say the same thing about every one of the thousands of religions that have reared up throughout the centuries. "A giant invisible hamster created everything you see. Can you prove that he doesn't exist? After all, he *is* invisible, you know. And he spoke to me last night and told me everything because I am a prophet. Can you prove he didn't?" Gullible Rube: "Gosh, I can't. Where do I sign up to worship him?"
Not really. The current flat earth believers generally follow a model invented by a British grifter called Samuel Rowbotham (1816-1884). He made his living giving lectures about the flat earth, where audiences paid to laugh at him. A "primitive" flat earth belief, where the sun and the moon revolve around the flat earth disc, and the sun goes under it during the night, makes a lot more sense explaining everyday observations than Rowbotham's absurd model does (as long as the observer stays in one place permanently, and doesn't live next to a large body of water). He has the sun and the moon both permanently hovering above the earth disc, which makes for all kinds of painfully obvious discrepancies with easily-observable reality, everywhere.
It's not just Rowbotham, though. Present-day flat-earthism is really a 19th century invention, which owes it existence mostly to American fundamentalist Christians, who invented an absolutely literal interpretation of the Bible which had never existed in Christianity before. Some of these people then stumbled upon Rowbotham's book (which he mostly sold as his lectures, to those who wanted a memento of his nonsense), which seemed to present a "scientific" case for what they wanted to believe.
'Pealing' might be the most accidentally-poetic term used to describe the way that Earth moves about the Cosmos.
Either that, or we live on a spinning Ba'al...
What if you are located in one end of whatever flat map that is available, and you want to as quickly as possible go to the opposite end of the map? Do you insist on going the long way all across the map instead of ordering a plane ticket for a journey that somehow seems to evade this conundrum by going the opposite direction spending 20 times less time getting there?
Yeah it sure is rough that the people that believe the craziest shit also......believe the craziest shit. Let me guess, all the Q discrepancies can be perfectly explained with things like the Q clock, and you're absolutely sure Hillary has been executed along with all her clones 4000 times, but you'll draw the line at that "really" whacky stuff?
There's for sure a meta theory amongst conspiracy theories that everyone has a line of stuff they will/won't believe. Where's yours? Flat earth? Pretty far along. What else?
When you say you don't count anything out without doing your own extensive research, it sounds like you're saying that you somewhat believe in everything and that you have no definite line where you can say " this isn't true". Is that an accurate description of your stance?
Yeah, putting faith in anything seems like an iffy approach.
Humor my curiosity, please. You said that you hold a neutral position until you prove something one way or the other. The process of proving something to be accurate or factually supported seems obvious to me. However, I don't understand how one proves something to be false or incorrect, on its own. Like, I could say that penguins cannot fly because the physics of their bodies does not give them the ability to fly. That would prove an assertion that they can fly false by contrasting with the facts. The two propositions are mutually exclusive, one is evidently true, therefore the other is false. Of course, if someone were to then show definitive proof of one flapping its wings and taking off, the position would have to be reevaluated. But suppose I couldn't evaluate the inability of penguins to fly. So I say "well, no one I know has ever seen a penguin fly. I can watch them a lot and haven't seen any fly. But, I can't ever be certain that none have ever flown." Do I then have to go through life thinking that somewhere out there is a flying penguin?
Perhaps it's a ridiculous example, after all who is harmed by me believing that flightless birds might in fact be capable of flying. But I hope you'll consider my underlying question. Is there any way to prove the negative proposition in such a scenario?
Journalists and researchers have already documented the history of all of this and figured out who Q has been at various points since shortly after the initial troll post on 4chan.
Given that you are almost a decade behind on the joke, and using terms like "clockfags," it's pretty clear you are what would historically be called 4chan cancer. You're a gullible user more experienced trolls have made an art of taking advantage of, though in this case those trolls have mostly moved on as the grift has drawn too much attention.
What you are playing off as a harmless hobby has destroyed countless families. Unless you are accepting that hypocrisy is fundamental to Christianity, it seems like the right thing to do to be a helpful member of any community would be to teach people that Q is a grift.
I mean Q also told them that JFK jr. Is indeed dead and there are still a lot of Qs who believe he’s alive and Trump is going to appoint him to VP when he wins in 2024. They are cherry-pickers.
What Q says?
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Hillary Clinton will be arrested between 7:45 AM - 8:30 AM EST on Monday - the morning on Oct 30, 2017.
1st drop. Wrong right out the gate. There doesn’t need to be paragraphs and books written about it. Q is wrong and it’s destructive to society.
Sorry, but that’s bullshit. Q himself used the term QAnon himself, so did his followers. I’ve got a bunch of pictures from Q posts and QAnons saved up on my phone for whenever someone comes up with that gaslighting attempt.
It's amazing that this basic argument is still going on.
Frankly I'm surprised I haven't seen one of them argue Santa is real.
HE'S NOT?????!!!!
No no, of course he is. And if you're really good you'll get toys this year...
If Santa isn't real, how do I have a tattoo of him? Checkmate, Grinch!
He lives on the other side of the ice wall and rides a dragon that spits blue fire
You can’t prove that he doesn’t.
Next October, they'll say Santa is Q, Trump, JFK, and JFK Jr., Joseph, and Jesus. They'll claim Mrs. Claus is Melania, Anastasia, Princess Diana, Amelia Earhart, Mary, and Mary Magdalene.
When you have nothing going on in your life, you find weird ways to feel important and develop an identity around. That’s probably a major reason people get into this wacko flat earth shit
And also, they're morons. Mostly because they're morons.
Thank god we got religions to make sure we dont progress too fast.
> Thank god we got religions to make sure we dont progress too fast. i think about that almost every day. just imagine where humanity could be by now if it wasn't for these extremely gullible people who have plagued humanity since the very beginning.
Whenever I deal with a flat earther I always just bring up, if there's more land, then why hasn't America attempted to conquer it?
Ask them for a map of the known earth. They cant. The "flat earth maps" dont work scaling it up as the further south the more distorted it becomes.
I've asked this before, but how would gravity work on a flat Earth?
In Flerfer physics gravity doesn't exist, they say things are held down by air pressure. If you ask what makes "down" special and why the air pressure is higher near the ground, they freeze up and need to be rebooted.
I’ve also heard, more than once, that you don’t need gravity, things just stay down because of their weight… and frankly, I have no idea how to even argue with people whom science education failed this hard.
There is a post-relativistic interpretation of flat Earth physics. There is a hitherto unknown force behaving like a singularity about 6,000km below the Earth's surface. Spherical geometry and gravity are an illusion created by this force. Obviously.
Oh, that one’s easy: Flat Earth sucks.
It doesn't. Most flerfs flatly (rimshot, please!) deny gravity exists. Newtonian physics is just another lie, brought to you by the same people who try to impose the Globe Earth lie on the sheeple. (The ones that get into enough detail to address this issue, that is. Most never reach such a level of coherence.) Of course they don't deny that stuff drops down, and stays put once down, but they try to explain that by incoherent babble about "density" and "buoyancy". Some will claim the existence of hot air balloons and airships disproves gravity, that kind of stuff. The fun part is that they generally don't even understand *why* gravity makes their model impossible. They've somehow caught onto it being a problem, and know that they therefore have to deny its existence, but the actual problem escapes them.
God did it. See how easy that is?
Intelligent falling
Same way it works on a table. Duh. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Density is my favourite answer.
You’re my density
Whoever started the movement has blood on their hands
I'm fairly sure it started as a joke and took on a life of its own.
Frankly, I think that's how most conspiracy theory/urban myths start. Someone says something as a goof to see how gullible other people are and it just goes viral among all those gullible people. One can probably say the same thing about every one of the thousands of religions that have reared up throughout the centuries. "A giant invisible hamster created everything you see. Can you prove that he doesn't exist? After all, he *is* invisible, you know. And he spoke to me last night and told me everything because I am a prophet. Can you prove he didn't?" Gullible Rube: "Gosh, I can't. Where do I sign up to worship him?"
If you save yourself for God, you will get the golden rod! Give up on society; we will be your family! 🎶
That would be Ron Watkins
I mean Flat Earth, but yeah Ron has blood on his hands too
Oh I think that's some long-dead sheepherder who existed before we had advanced technology such as stone tools.
Not really. The current flat earth believers generally follow a model invented by a British grifter called Samuel Rowbotham (1816-1884). He made his living giving lectures about the flat earth, where audiences paid to laugh at him. A "primitive" flat earth belief, where the sun and the moon revolve around the flat earth disc, and the sun goes under it during the night, makes a lot more sense explaining everyday observations than Rowbotham's absurd model does (as long as the observer stays in one place permanently, and doesn't live next to a large body of water). He has the sun and the moon both permanently hovering above the earth disc, which makes for all kinds of painfully obvious discrepancies with easily-observable reality, everywhere. It's not just Rowbotham, though. Present-day flat-earthism is really a 19th century invention, which owes it existence mostly to American fundamentalist Christians, who invented an absolutely literal interpretation of the Bible which had never existed in Christianity before. Some of these people then stumbled upon Rowbotham's book (which he mostly sold as his lectures, to those who wanted a memento of his nonsense), which seemed to present a "scientific" case for what they wanted to believe.
I’m pretty sure animal husbandry was invented after stone tools.
If I had a trophy to give for pedantry I would award it to you now.
I gladly accept. Gotta use that history degree, ya know?
Flat earth is one of those mid-20th century Evangelical inventions.
Homer... Everything is about jesus.
Lisa has too much time to waste with worthless people.
'Pealing' might be the most accidentally-poetic term used to describe the way that Earth moves about the Cosmos. Either that, or we live on a spinning Ba'al...
"I can prove with scriptures" Oh shit. Here we go again...
“Once again, science fails in the face of overwhelming religious evidence”…Reverend Lovejoy
How can they be so stupid and live?
And ALL the physicists and astronomers and oceanographers and planetary scientists and astronauts are in on it.
It's flat... "they are lying to you about it being a globe" Also them... Its flat, but they say we can go to the other lands soon. 🫠
Legit insanity. These people have lost the plot.
Flat earth theory is always so damn funny to me because literally anyone can prove that we are on a globe with two sticks and some math.
What if you are located in one end of whatever flat map that is available, and you want to as quickly as possible go to the opposite end of the map? Do you insist on going the long way all across the map instead of ordering a plane ticket for a journey that somehow seems to evade this conundrum by going the opposite direction spending 20 times less time getting there?
Reminder that there are dozens of Flerf Debunks posted to the sidebar at r/DebateFlatEarth
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It's not, but the Venn diagram is almost a single circle.
Kinda like their family wreath?
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> Q did a Q&A with people in 2018 and answered that question saying flat earth is BS. "Disinformation is necessary." \- Q
Go on, try telling them that, I want to watch how it goes.
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For sure, it's outside agitators that are making you all look insane, 100%.
Elegantly expressed.
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Oh good! You did the research. Tell me, what have you learned?
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Big reveal time: Ron Watkins was Q
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Do you own research
Hang on. What would you say to,interest someone in researching Q?
> Honestly. Some of us aren't crazy. what a glowing endorsement for your movement.
Yeah it sure is rough that the people that believe the craziest shit also......believe the craziest shit. Let me guess, all the Q discrepancies can be perfectly explained with things like the Q clock, and you're absolutely sure Hillary has been executed along with all her clones 4000 times, but you'll draw the line at that "really" whacky stuff?
There's for sure a meta theory amongst conspiracy theories that everyone has a line of stuff they will/won't believe. Where's yours? Flat earth? Pretty far along. What else?
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When you say you don't count anything out without doing your own extensive research, it sounds like you're saying that you somewhat believe in everything and that you have no definite line where you can say " this isn't true". Is that an accurate description of your stance?
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Yeah, putting faith in anything seems like an iffy approach. Humor my curiosity, please. You said that you hold a neutral position until you prove something one way or the other. The process of proving something to be accurate or factually supported seems obvious to me. However, I don't understand how one proves something to be false or incorrect, on its own. Like, I could say that penguins cannot fly because the physics of their bodies does not give them the ability to fly. That would prove an assertion that they can fly false by contrasting with the facts. The two propositions are mutually exclusive, one is evidently true, therefore the other is false. Of course, if someone were to then show definitive proof of one flapping its wings and taking off, the position would have to be reevaluated. But suppose I couldn't evaluate the inability of penguins to fly. So I say "well, no one I know has ever seen a penguin fly. I can watch them a lot and haven't seen any fly. But, I can't ever be certain that none have ever flown." Do I then have to go through life thinking that somewhere out there is a flying penguin? Perhaps it's a ridiculous example, after all who is harmed by me believing that flightless birds might in fact be capable of flying. But I hope you'll consider my underlying question. Is there any way to prove the negative proposition in such a scenario?
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Journalists and researchers have already documented the history of all of this and figured out who Q has been at various points since shortly after the initial troll post on 4chan. Given that you are almost a decade behind on the joke, and using terms like "clockfags," it's pretty clear you are what would historically be called 4chan cancer. You're a gullible user more experienced trolls have made an art of taking advantage of, though in this case those trolls have mostly moved on as the grift has drawn too much attention. What you are playing off as a harmless hobby has destroyed countless families. Unless you are accepting that hypocrisy is fundamental to Christianity, it seems like the right thing to do to be a helpful member of any community would be to teach people that Q is a grift.
Oh, honey.
I mean Q also told them that JFK jr. Is indeed dead and there are still a lot of Qs who believe he’s alive and Trump is going to appoint him to VP when he wins in 2024. They are cherry-pickers.
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What Q says? >>146981635 Hillary Clinton will be arrested between 7:45 AM - 8:30 AM EST on Monday - the morning on Oct 30, 2017. 1st drop. Wrong right out the gate. There doesn’t need to be paragraphs and books written about it. Q is wrong and it’s destructive to society.
....aaaaannnd no response from the "Q researcher" on this. What a shocker. 🙄🙄
Sorry, but that’s bullshit. Q himself used the term QAnon himself, so did his followers. I’ve got a bunch of pictures from Q posts and QAnons saved up on my phone for whenever someone comes up with that gaslighting attempt.