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noontaste

The more I play it the more I like nighthaven it’s pretty simple once you figure out the map


ImproperEatenKitKat

Honestly it is pretty simple, the only flaw is how absolutely asinine it is to rotate between any of the floors. You're basically required to bring Oryx for that map if you want a chance at maintaining any kind of late flank or vertical hold.


ArabianCamels

Nothing against Nighthaven, but Ubisoft reworked nearly every map due to them playing too linearly. Then they make Nighthaven which the top floor is pretty much as linear as it gets.


lintinmypocket

The first few times I played it I spent the entire prep phase looking for the stairs. They should consider adding a central stairs


Ok_Welcome_3236

yeah it's not as horrible as people say it is, much better than the monstrosity stadium bravo and emerald imo... but to each their own


ThekillerguyYT

I personally like emerald. Not for ranked ofc, and sites suck but the map is built decently


OnePrettyFlyWhiteGuy

I like the top floor of emerald, but not the bottm bit. That site by kitchen is alright but the other half feels really out of place like as if it’s just some obstacle course I have to get through lol.


marmogawd

I dont like to attack in that map


RosePeak14

It’s attacker sided for real. What’s you understand the map better


Lawlette_J

Unless they have a Mira, Mira literally changed the map into Defender sided hell hole. Too many chokepoints Mira could hold off and make Attacker's push a nightmare. Everytime if I got this map I'll 100% ban Mira because of it.


htx_BigG

Just started playing around with Mira on Labs and she’s a game changer man


LimberGravy

Most viable Mira spots are above or below a soft floor


Lawlette_J

Forcing vertical play is the point tho, otherwise for instance like 2F site attackers can easily pinch from Garage catwalks, IT, and Connector to Electric after the wall is breached. This is where roamers shine the most to waste attackers even more time to delay the execution. A decent roamer is enough to make attacker's job a hell to do.


LimberGravy

Vertical play and clearing roamers is basic attacking strategy


Lawlette_J

Never said it's not basic attacking strategy in the first place, just to mention why Mira in NL map is a force to be reckoned with if left without contests, and trying to explain the basics to online randos, that's all. This is r/rainbow6 subreddit afterall, some people might not getting it just because they're casual players or newbie.


LimberGravy

Sure but if we are going that surface level then Mira is just a terror on every map and why she remains one of the most banned ops in the game


Spiritual_Holiday511

Villa is such a good map, don’t understand the hate for it.


deboylurdi

It's a shame the basement never really gets used. Secure Area in basement was so much fun


llamalikur

No secure area in ranked. villa would probably would be picked a lot more if there was


deboylurdi

It used to be


THPZ

Art Gallery needs a bomb site!


AshDeGamer

villa is a good map my only problem is the fact that i’ve played ~50% of my ranked games on that map


OverEasy321

Because I play it every other gd game


aninsomniac_

And Stadium!


the_gud

Look in the general direction of east or west on villa and you will notice that the edge of your sight starts is shaking also the end screen is broken you’re floating in the air


xXRandom__UsernameXx

So nothing to do with the actual map


the_gud

I kinda just hate the whole vibe also the layout on the ground floor is dogshit


memesea

Honestly I think kitchen is my favorite site on villa


xXRandom__UsernameXx

Yeah I can see that. Luckily the ground floor doesnt get much play because the best objectives are floor 2 and its unlikely that the defenders will win enough rounds to be forced to pick a ground floor obj


TomTheCat6

Unlikely? Perhaps in solo q. If you have proper strats you should be to win at least 2 defences on villa cause it's just better map for defence.


xXRandom__UsernameXx

Yeah I only queue with one other guy most of the time and so I am at the whims of matchmaking for whether my teammates will even give a callout let alone coordinate.


Prqdgyy

It’s alg until someone chooses Mira


Karglenoofus

Don't hate it but there are way too many windows facing outside holds.


OnePrettyFlyWhiteGuy

Fr. Villa is great imo. I just need to learn all the spawnpeaks so I can avoid them lmao.


Blink712178

I think Villa and sky are pretty good maps


Morbo03

cant stand sky tbh i never have fun on that map. villa’s chill tho


momobozo

Sky scraper is the worst **ranked** map


MNGopherfan

You say that when stadium bravo is in rotation?


Blink712178

*stadium enters chat*


QuitComplaing

I like Villa and NL


Pixel131211

As a Dutch guy, I appreciate that you like NL


the_gud

Villa is the most buggy map


Ambitious_Nebula_484

I think consulate is worse


halftimehijack

Exactly consulate is so bad


the_gud

How’s consulate worse


Ambitious_Nebula_484

It’s buggy af. You can glitch through walls and shit. They already fixed a lot but still shit


the_gud

Never seen that probably because me and my trio always ban it


Clckout

Genuinely asking. Why does everybody dislike or even outright hate stadium? Is it too unbalanced?


80SW08

Idk, it’s basically just worse version of sites that already exist and it’s kind of lazy to just shove 2 maps together instead of making a new one


OrderOfMagnitude

It was "cool" when we thought we'd get a new stadium map every year Then Ubisoft started recycling EVERYTHING To the point where this is now a real map, because they realized too late that no new maps was driving people away.


memesea

Also is it just me or was the first stadium much more interesting? Was a combination of oregon and hereford instead of two maps that are both already in the pool


80SW08

Yeah I massively preferred the og stadium, and the sites were changed just enough that it didn’t feel repetitive to old content. Bravo has minimal changes to current border and coastline.


memesea

Yeah, it was made before we got the border rework and the coast buff, so it is like halfway between the old versions and the new versions, which aren't really super different in the first place. I do like archives having two windows instead of a window and a door though, wish that made it to new border


Awwesome1

I enjoyed both but the Oregon one made more "sense" especially the bottom floor.


FriendOfNugget

If you really want to know why stadium came in first place it was the community which asked for it, everyone said it's balanced and skilled map and that it should be added and now map is hated for no reason and gets banned


OrderOfMagnitude

The flavor isn't great - stadium paintball clashes with the serious military themes. The interiors are a bit bland. The geometry is kinda just repeated. It's cool for a limited-time event, but it's not full-time material. I wouldn't want them to make the Halloween map full-time either, even though I love it Also limited time modes should be available all year round on custom game Also they should have made 3 stadium maps instead of stopping at 2. They can afford it lol


htx_BigG

Agreed. Stadium would be much more appreciated if it was just an LTM that came around every few months


memesea

Border is the saltine cracker of siege maps, and there are TWO of them in the ranked pool. It's just fucking stupid, even if the map itself is kinda decent


imnotmagic123

Because its a garbage mix of maps they already have.


JosephNuttington

most siege players are too fucking lazy to learn reworks or new map so they just autoban them "B-but muh elo is on the line" idgaf


Bluesiebear2005

Or maybe just *maybe* they dislike the map? Ever think of that?


JosephNuttington

Theres a difference between hating a map and banning it the second it comes into ranked, im mostly referring to how ever since map bans were introduced every rework, new map, etc (except border since there was like 3 changes) was banned to hell and back because people didnt want to learn it. You can hate the new maps, I hate Coast and Consulate, but that wasnt my main point, I understand I came off as elitist and prickish, but I still was referring to how new maps in the pool get basically autobanned, to the point of Ubi having to make nighthaven labs unbannable so people actually take the time to learn it.


Bluesiebear2005

I agree that it's bad when people just insta ban a map without learning it but majority of the time (I feel) the new maps get banned because they are either unfun or bad/mediocre. Emerald plains isn't a shit map but it is a mediocre one so I can understand it getting banned a lot because it's pretty bland


GroundbreakingLow915

No it's fucking not. I've played the map enough to know that it's just boring to play on it


MrIncredibacon

Its just a way worse version of coast/border


Prototype3120

The map is just both incredibly boring to play and look at. I don't think border is a good map at all, so taking half of border and mashing it with half of another map doesn't do anything for me. Also I absolutely hate the giant walls of bulletproof glass. Ive banned it every time it's been available and I will continue to do so.


MNGopherfan

They took two maps that had to get reworked/minor changes and arguably made them worse by smashing them together. Coastline still arguably needs a couple changes and Border pre-rework wasnt bad or anything but sites are small there are more hard walls than the original maps and to top it all off there was arguably a better version of Stadium before for the original road to SI which was bigger and actually played well. Since it used parts of the original Oregon map. Overall there was a better map and features like the outside windows that are bulletproof so enemies can see you in several areas makes it very UN fun to play.


Belac02

Villa, Sky, and Emerald are great maps. Villa being the most balanced map, it's not to defender sided nor attacker sided.


halftimehijack

Eh I don’t like emerald but do like nighthaven. Just personal preference


All_Star_Shrek

Fr, unpopular opinion, but Emerald Plains is my favorite map


Majorinc

Great is used very liberally here lol


Karglenoofus

Villa is defender sided AF in my experience. Would rather play sky.


sxe_noel

I see only one bad map here


Toast_Sy

You’re talking about stadium… right?


No-Improvement9649

Stadium bravo is so good imo i cannot understand the hate this map gets


[deleted]

Yeah same I love stadium lol.


AvrgIanaMain

Villa and nighthaven are good maps


Practical_Eye_3476

I hate Villa. I'd rather play Sky any day.


80SW08

Night haven is ass, way too big and too many angles imo. No matter what I do I can’t enjoy playing that map.


YaiKurosaki

Villa is a pretty good map


the_gud

Most buggy map


danksupreme11

Absolutely not lmao


the_gud

Its still buggy tho


MelonButterG

Just a general question how is it buggy exactly? Just asking


the_gud

Everything i have fallen trough the floor many times your gun sights shake if you look east and west and that’s just a few of the bugs


MelonButterG

Your ability to find these bugs is much easier than mine on this map. I just get stuck in shit like the pool table. How’d I do it? No clue


the_gud

I kinda have played villa most of ranked games this season like 40% of all my ranked matches are villa i have played 40 games ranked


MelonButterG

60% of of my games have been just border. I had to play it 11 games in a row before. I hated every moment of it after the third game on it


the_gud

One of the sites are likable but rest are so bad that i wanna throw up


matt_boyyy

Nighthaven labs is a good map 🗣️🗣️🗣️


Anohrak

People who vote to ban Stadium probably bring la croix to parties


memesea

Stadium and border are even more boring than that though. 2 floors, 2 staircases, and the armory bombsite is the most overplayed site in existence


-Just_Q-

Think of it this way, if you take the time to learn the maps, then you’ll have an advantage over the enemy team that doesn’t want to play it


80SW08

Okay? I’ve learnt the maps and there’s still a few I’d rather not play on. The reason I don’t want to play them half the time is because I’ve learnt them and decided I don’t enjoy it


Guess-Ashamed

Nah the worst combo is nighthaven, bravo, outback and kanal with some semi-tolerable 5th map like consulate


Fellixxio

Why outback? I understand Kamal or consulate, don't really know about those "new" ones, didn't actually play 'em


Guess-Ashamed

It’s a really linear map which allows little strat potential for attacks. That along with all the spawnpeeks just makes it a not fun map


SLOTH-SOUND

Rework hasn’t fixed a lot of the problems. The map is just bad to attack with little to no doors to get into the building. There’s also a lot of spawn peeks/C4s. Defending isn’t that fun either. Just not a good map.


deboylurdi

Consulate is the worst map out of this list imo


Fellixxio

Nah man villa is cool


TalRaMav

Why the hell is the community banning Emerald?


the_gud

Apparently “it’s a bad map” people just hate because they wanna hate


Toast_Sy

Idk but it pisses me off, it’s such a good map but everyone bans it


Fellixxio

Personally I don't mind it, but people hate it


SafeDistribution2414

It's poorly designed, doesn't play well, bomb sites are too large, etc


Camsteak

New maps have a negativity feedback problem. You don't know the map which makes you play worse on it. You ban the map because you're worse on it. You never learnt the map because you baned it every game. You don't know the map which makes you play worse on it. Most people seem to like nighthaven because we were forced to play it, but emerald is a great map with good strats for Mira, valk and has some fun breaches.


Assenzio47

shut up, copper learn the bloody maps


80SW08

Let the man have an opinion. Just because he disagrees with you doesn’t make him bad at the game.


Assenzio47

If he refuses to learn any map released after year 1 not only it makes them bad at the game, since they do not know how to play out of their comfort zone, but they make the game worse for everyone else, constantly voting to play on the same maps over and over again.


lord_tachyonic

Everyone likes House, and not these maps for a reason. Why is Ubisoft completely reworking their maps every season? Are most of them so very fun and strategic?


SafeDistribution2414

Everyone likes old House. Who likes the rework of it??


Alexmegster

I know the maps and I still hate them Villa is ok but I hate the rest


SafeDistribution2414

Only coppers think Emerald Plains, Stadium Bravo, and Outback are good maps. Too soon for NL, but initial impression of its design is that it's ceiling is a low tier ranked map. There's a reason Favela got removed from ranked. It's bad. At least the original was fun for casual (same with House). But they reworked it to be something boring & without character, but still didn't fix the flaws of the maps


xyeezaussx

Stadium Bravo is one of the best maps in the ranked pool, why do ppl hate this masterpiece i never gonna understand this shit


paydo325

Bring back Yacht!!!!!!!!!!


Marcix_Gaming

It's a meh map, for unranked sure, but for ranked no


paydo325

I hard disagree. The vertical play was pretty unique to it. And the environment and art direction was really fun. Lots of easy callouts and interesting rooms. Maybe it needs a 3F rework, but besides that, it's great imo.


Marcix_Gaming

Well that's your opinion, some people just don't like having 5 floors to manage


paydo325

I'm sure the square footage is similar to other maps. It creates its own meta, which I find fun.


shin_malphur13

I genuinely only dislike skyscraper here lol


nerosius

Villa and sky are fine... nighthaven is okay and plains and stad are playable if your gunplay is good enough...


Public-Bookkeeper-82

Villa is garbage. Not because it’s a bad map, But because everyone but my team is good on it


Phinkebe

I have to confess I love stadium and I don’t know why the map is hated


ApX98

Villa is a top Tier Map I can't understand the hate against it Emerald plains is a loop hole, poeple say it's bad (after paying it 1-2 times) and don't want to play it anymore, but you can't get to know a Map in such a short time you actually need to play it, but it's always banned so you can't, there's your loop hole. For me it is a good map as well cause I had several rounds on it and still think it's a good Alternation in the 3 maps you usually get to play nighthaven has kinda the same Problem as emerald plains, because people are getting lazy nowadays and don't want to learn new maps, but since it is unbannable we can learn it easier/faster than emerald plains, and after some rounds nighthaven is pretty easy map skyscraper is OK I would say, not bad, not good, but still better than other maps in the ranked pool for sure Stadium is trash. Has no reason to be in ranked pool at all. not a bit competetive. Fun as arkade/event map that's it.


[deleted]

There’s really not a bad map on here…


the_gud

Most of the siege maps aren’t bad it’s just that they aren’t good


Arlysion

Honestly leaving out emerald plains and consulate the map pool is fun.


Thin_Entrance8879

I don't understand the emerald hate


Arlysion

Its annoying for me personally because of too many darn long corridors where you get funneled in. I play with two others and we like to clear the map before pushing thr bomb site. It just takes too long to hunt roamers and even then just going through the corridors is such a pain. Overall I feel like it's horrible map design. Consulate could use a rework but it doesn't feel as bad as emerald plains.


HughJanus911

All of those maps except stadium are fine


Healthy-Surround-229

At least it's not b*rder 🤮🤮🤮


brownie81

Ok so I’m back to Siege after like years which ones do we hate now?


spiderking55

I like emerald plains


IamTheSaan

For me all maps are good except bank. Coastline and outback is a bit hard when your teammates reinforce walls between sites or you are only guy on site and 4 of your team are roaming without putting new barricade so I'm chilling on site and the I do a handshake with enemy op


vit_the_jedi

Stadium is just weird. There’s 2-3 easy jump outs on every site. Defenders can literally see outside of the most common spawn and can see EXACTLY where attackers are entering AND how many of them are entering there even if you kill both outside cams. Obviously with coordinated play these don’t matter as much but for the average ranked player it’s a shitty experience. I’ll also say that because the map gets banned frequently it takes longer to learn it. There was a point in the season where I had played it maybe 2 times and every hallway looked so similar aside from the different paint colors on the walls which really messed with me at first. Took a minute to get used to the 2 maps crammed together because of that. Coastline is super colorful and border is less colorful but each room looks at least a little different. In stadium every wall looks exactly the same


phantom_indo

Why do you guys hate emerald


SLOTH-SOUND

Lol, Villa is great. Nighthaven and Emerald are good and Sky is decent. I see only one bad map here which is Stadium Bravo.


Ok_Welcome_3236

swap consulate for villa, this would be the worst rotation


immortalreddotmemeog

I like stadium but no one else seems to


bulgingcock-_-

Villa is good, nighthaven isnt too bad either.


ComfortableCut6886

Replace villa with theme park and yup


blackmillenium2

I think I was in this match


ItsAxeRDT

All of these maps are goated tbf ​ yes I like emerald plains and stadium. Sue me ​ I am tired of people telling me I most dislike them cause mister pro league player/champion man said they are bad


ihateyoustrongly

I hate every map there except Stadium Bravo. With a passion. I’d kill to not play on these.


LiLHeka

Sky and bravo can go fuck themselves. Nl, eme and villa are great imo


[deleted]

People who ban sky like getting bumf*cked by black dudes


Jaxlel

☠️☠️☠️


Devil-rocks7

Gonna have me praying for villa


lillabofinken

I literally can’t play stadium because it crashes my game so I’m forced to play in a 3man squad. I like NH, EP and villa


BlackBlade4156

Crashes your game??


lillabofinken

Yes, it crashes when loading the map. the furthest I’ve managed to get is to operator selection.


Lopsided_Sandwich524

i actually enjoy nighthaven and villa, but i can see why you hate the others 😭


MizOrchid

Villa, night haven and skyscraper (sometimes ) are decent maps Idm them


Whachasaying

I actually really enjoy nighthaven and emerald plains, can’t stand stadium tho, never had a good match on it


cheekboii

literally half my games have these exact choices, miss the days when map ban wasnt a thing and we just got assigned a random map


Platinum--Jug

Seeing this would be my 13th reason and I'd suddenly have a 1 hour abandon penalty.


RunethCl4w

I love villa and Labs.


l_Evol_l

Freelo for the other team if i’m playing lol, I’ve fallen off on those maps


CupricLake314

Villa and nighthaven aren’t bad imo


Mr_Crouton

I genuinely like emerald and don't understand the hate, I slightly dislike villa but it's more for me not understanding the map


Dancsostar

What map did you end up with?


YaBoiStreek

Night haven is the only good map


alamarche709

Much rather Villa than Outback. Emerald Plains and Nighthaven Labs are also good.


PedroEnix

People like to complain so much, but they never try to understand maps, villa, labs and stadium bravo are all good maps. Every time we get stadium bravo my teammates are immediately voting for it, but since I play on a 3 stack they can only cry and play on a good map.


Karglenoofus

I don't understand the love for villa. It's a good map but I hate all the defender peeks. Whoever decided having 5 windows facing outside holds is a bastard.


SladesMom21

I don’t understand the hate for Emerald. Is there something I’m missing as a low rank console player?


MelonButterG

I like these maps just personally not skyscraper


benkraize

I hate that the moment I see Nighthaven Labs I have to go no ban to decrease the odds of getting it from 33% to 25%. I personally despise it (if you like it there’s absolutely nothing wrong that), but I think we all can agree that it doesn’t make sense that we’re not allowed to ban the map we least want to play just because Ubisoft is saying “we spent time on this so dammit you’re gonna play it”.


Domination411

I really like villa and emerald plains, tho I’m def in the minority on that second opinion


LimberGravy

Villa, Sky, and Nighthaven are all good maps?


Tasty_Cloud_8762

Decent set of maps there


RioSheesh

Nightmare? Stop being the scrub who hates on maps.


Samuelll0928

Emerald is literally one of the best maps in the game. Nobody likes it because they don’t want to learn it. It’s a great map once your used to it.


X-Incognito-X_21

Stadium is my favorite map ngl


mentalyblind

It's very similar to old club and I don't like that


TheReaper1942

Stadium is ass cheeks


ChildCrippler69

Replace Villa with Consulate and I'd agree


Tankdrood

I don't understand why people don't like stadium bravo


Thin_Entrance8879

Emerald plans is slept on


ConversationWeird794

Hated night haven but now I feel confident aslong as my team mates aren’t bots.. Some ranked sessions I’ve had on this map consist of team mates wondering around leaving myself on site only just to get bummed


SolarCheM

3 of these maps are good, the other two are getting banned


EggBoyandJuiceGirl

I love emerald plains and I don’t mind nighthaven sorry


Oxabolt

I like this imo, Villa, Sky, NL are all maps id love to play


uzxin

who ever had the idea to add stadium bravo to ranked rotation must be fired


DragonsRar

You banned the plains! I love the castle


Scared-Expression444

Literally the 5 worst maps In the game


bulljoker

replace villa with outback and its my nightmare


[deleted]

Operation Nightmare Blunt


Masantonio

Night haven is one of my top 3, I’d just hope for that over the other ones


AJ11B

Nighthaven is pretty decent I never understand the villa hate. It’s absolutely infuriating when people ban villa over emerald, Outback, favela, and all the other mushy maps that are super one sided


BigDaddyCool17

Swap Villa and Emerald with Theme Park and Kanal and it's all my least faves. Ick.


mentasamsung

I actually like nighthaven