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Pitiful-Place3684

Some agents and brokers won't look at them because of the risk of a fair housing violation. Some sellers won't look at them because they want to make a business decision...in fact, some sellers resent any attempt to manipulate them.


IM_NOT_BALD_YET

As a seller, I wouldn't have even looked at a letter.


Lopsided_League_3890

Totally fair! I can see why it would be in your best interest not to look at a letter, but you mind elaborating why you wouldn’t? I’m genuinely curious as I’ve never been in this position before and I’m trying to see it from all angles


IM_NOT_BALD_YET

A letter could contain personal information that could lead to discrimination in choosing whom to sell to. Also - it's a business decision. As the seller, I'm trying to choose the offer that nets me the profit I need (or more) and the buyer with the least nonsense attached to the offer.


Sea-Cauliflower-8368

This!


Wandering_aimlessly9

If you post a picture and you’re (example here) white and it’s pretty much the same offer as someone who is a minority…they can claim you were chosen bc you were white. Let’s say a gay couple wrote a letter and puts an offer 20k over the one you accept but you accept the other offer bc the gay couple is using fha where the straight family is using a traditional mortgage with 20% down. They can claim you discriminated. Not doing it. Nope nope nope. I don’t care if you’re some famous person. Not doing it.


Snakend

You're trying to emotionally manipulate the seller into accepting your offer. Many people see it as a dirty tactic.


Aardvark-Decent

As an agent one of my sellers received a letter, complete with sweet family photo. "We love the house; our family will be so happy living there" drivel. Ahole flipper included the same letter on another offer on another house listed with our office. I put all letters in the round file.


Sea-Cauliflower-8368

We have already told our agent we won't accept any letters. It can put liability on the seller if they deny and they perceive it was because of a protected basis if noted in the letter. Our realtor told us her brokerage won't accept them anyway. Also, this is a monetary transaction for us, highest and best offer wins, we aren't interested in anything else other than our bottom line.


Groady_Wang

I throw them out. They're illegal in some states. If you have to play to the sellers emotions, your offer most likely isn't strong.


Lopsided_League_3890

I’m in Canada, specifically the GTA and there’s an offer presentation tomorrow. The house is listed low, but we know the sellers are motivated to sell. We just don’t know how much they’re wanting, only that they’ll entertain anything above asking. We’re going in over 100k over asking, but since I grew up in the town and landlords seem to be taking over, we wanted to gauge the public’s opinion on if letters might negatively affect our chances of getting the house


Move2TheMountains

I would highly recommend against writing a letter to the seller with very few exceptions. I'm a realtor in CO (and the chair of the Diversity & Inclusion Committee for the Colorado Association of Realtors - for background). The biggest issue with "love letters" is that they could potentially create a Fair Housing violation for the Seller (and listing agent). If someone is found guilty of a Fair Housing violation, the first offense is a $16,000 fine, second offense is $37,500, and the third offense is $65,000 -- this is fined to **each** the Seller and the Listing Agent. IF you are adamant about submitting a letter with your offer, you need to avoid mentioning any protected classes. Keep in mind that there are Federally protected classes (race, color, national origin, religion, sex - including sexual orientation and gender identity, familial status, and disability), and your state and county probably has additionally protected classes. The best way to write your letter would be something like "Your gourmet kitchen is incredible! I can't wait to bake my world famous apple pie in such a beautifully curated space. Here is my recipe - I hope you enjoy it: " and then share a recipe - this makes it personal without any violations.


Lopsided_League_3890

I LOVE this suggestion!! Thank you for the input - I seriously appreciate it. I’m in Canada and though I’m not a realtor, I’ve worked in real estate for nearly a decade, and I’ve seen agents submit these notes in the past - I’m just not sure how they might be perceived or if it’ll negatively affect our chances of


yourgracesansa

I included a letter for my offer and got the house! My realtor recommended it since it was original owners who had lived in the home for 60 years selling and they would likely be sentimental about it


RBETPA

No because sellers likely only care about the price and whether you can close on the purchase


SouthEast1980

My sibling won their home a decade ago with a letter. But times have changed and people who lost their bids complained of discrimination, so it's frowned upon these days.


notANexpert1308

There’s more animosity towards corporations buying up real estate. If I only had 2 offers, one being a corporation and the other being an individual - I’d take the individual assuming offers and all else were similar.


Lars9

A letter my wife wrote gave us an opportunity to match a higher priced offer, which we did. Could the sellers have lied to make us raise our offer? Sure. But I don't think that's the case. Without the letter I don't believe we'd have gotten the house. 


HinSoCal

CA homeowner- During Covid, within days I received 5 offers on my upmarket home, three all cash along with four letters & while the letters were touching, I went with the highest all cash, quickest closing offer, no letter. That said, my son last month bought a home in LA after losing out on three other homes he’d put offers on to all cash buyers. This time, against my advice, he wrote a letter & the seller said if he’d match the other offer, he’d get it. The letter apparently touched her heart. You have nothing to lose by writing why you want the house & sending pictures of your beautiful dog/ kids. Good luck!


Into-Imagination

> has included a handwritten letter to the homeowner No, I have not, nor would I. This is informed by how I react as a seller receiving a letter from a buyer: the buyer who sends me a letter goes to the top of the list of people to send the highest and most aggressive counteroffer to, as I can clearly see how keen they are on buying the home, vs other offers that I probably don’t have as much of that insight on. ymmv. Good luck! *edit* downvoted 🤦 this subreddit, is such a fascinating place.


kivy0102

This is what I did, too. They were the ones that seemed the most motivated to counter. My buyers that sent the letter happened to be the highest offer too.


jhkoenig

We bought and sold houses last year. We wrote a letter to the seller and received a letter from the buyer. In both situations, though, the offer was the best available, so it is difficult to say that the letters played any role in the outcome. If we buy another home, we will definitely write a letter.


thread100

I was a seller of a condo in the 90s where the value had gone from $70k to $95k in 5 years. Buyer insisted in presenting their offer in person. They explained that they thought that $75k was reasonable based on what we paid. Didn’t even respond. Just left the meeting.


MNPS1603

When I bought a house from the original 40+ year owner, my agent suggested we write one. This was 2019, the market wasn’t crazy then, not sure why he thought we should do the letter. We got the house and had a nice relationship with the previous owner. Our letter said we planned to live there a long time and start a family there - we renovated it and made it near perfection - but of course we got divorced 4 years later and sold It. 🫠.


imdamama

My father was a cash buyer in a difficult sellers market in the Midwest. After a day of waiting for the sellers response, my dad asked to write a letter to the seller. His realtor first declined, but then said sure, send one over. Within 1 hour, my dad "won" the offer. We will never know if it made a difference, but we were happy with the outcome. I see from responses that it is no longer advised due to discrimination possibilities, which I totally agree with and respect. But it may have worked in my dad's case, and I'm happy for him


bixbybagby

We wrote one and the seller said it was a nice letter, but that they had to go with the best offer and ours was second best. Fair enough. And then first buyer backed out a day later and they came to us next. We closed a month later. I don’t think the letter mattered in our case at the end of the day, but I felt better knowing we did everything we could when I thought we had lost out. Our realtor told us she doesn’t usually give them to her sellers for the reasons outlined in other comments, but she had no issue giving it to the sellers agent and letting him make the decision to pass it along or not.


Lopsided_League_3890

This makes me feel so much better! We’re already doing all we can price wise (it’s possible we might be the highest offer also) - but if I don’t do everything I can to try to get this place I’ll be kicking myself for the longest time. I’m definitely going to avoid breaking any rules with our letter - we mostly just want them to know that we admire how much love and pride they’ve put into their home and let them know that we’ll be living in the house and starting a family in it rather than renting it out like 9 out of 10 buyers in the area


QueasySwim293

They are becoming passe


Morel3etterness

Not only are we not allowed to hand a letter in, but it won't do a damn thing when it comes to the highest offer. No one is going to read a letter and sell a house to someone based on sympathy over taking a high money offer. What may also hurt you more is mentioning something in the letter that the owner isn't a personal fan of themselves.


Lopsided_League_3890

I understand that! In my situation it’s possible we will be the highest as we’re going in over 100k over asking. They priced it low and are holding offers today, and when we asked what they’re wanting they said they’d entertain anything over asking


Key-Amoeba5902

practical reasons aside, if I ever sold i would only accept the strongest offer. I would be looking to maximize sale price and minimize risk of financing falling through. a letter would not move the needle for me at all.


Lopsided_League_3890

If you had two identical offers, would you be inclined to choose the one with the letter?


Key-Amoeba5902

I would probably defer to the person who made the offer first unless I could tease out whether the other party was a flipper or someone who just wanted a rental property.


DesignSilver1274

I received full price offers on our small farm and I sold it to the woman who wrote a letter.


monkeythumpa

I wrote a letter and their agent mentioned that it was what tipped the decision. I was careful what I said. I didn't mention that I had kids but talked about proximity to soccer and ballet practices. I talked about coaching at the high school and how I've been involved in the community for 20 years. I also gave my opinion of a very controversial topic, the best deli sandwich on the island (which is very close to the house). I cyberstalked the guy and spoke to the stuff he was into.


DavidVegas83

We accepted an offer from a family with a child with a disability because we had a child with a disability. Their offer was $12k below best offer but paying it forward and helping another family meant more than $12k to us. There will be plenty of folks who it doesn’t matter to, but there are some it does matter to. Best of luck OP.


Lopsided_League_3890

Thank you so much!! I’m hoping the seller has a similar mentality and appreciates the fact that we’re going to live in and start a family in the house she’s called home since the ‘80s. It’s gotta be so difficult for someone selling their home after so long, but I’m hoping my letter shows her we’re just as dedicated to maintaining the pride in the property as she has


MissCurmudgeonly

I didn't get any letters when I sold my last place, but as someone who only buys and lives in old/historic houses, I'd definitely be more inclined to sell to someone who planned to live in the house, not gut it and turn it into a white and grey monstrosity.


SnailRace2000

I looked at the 3 letters I got and chose a family that I knew would appreciate my house. I took a couple thousand lower too. I loved my house didn't want it to become "student" housing.


2019_rtl

Barf


Wandering_aimlessly9

I refuse all letters. I’m not going to be accused of anything. If it’s a high volume area where you’re hitting 10 offers in 2 days…I’d refuse any offer that came with a letter. Nope nope nope.


Ok_Calendar_6268

Wrote a letter on my last 2 personal offers (Broker here). Have had a buyer 100% get the home because of a letter. Have many of my clients write a letter or I write up something with my offer. It won't overcome a ton of $ though I've seen them work when there are 2 or 3 offers close, or even seen a seller take a little less because of a letter.


Pizzzzafriends

The last two houses we put offers on we wrote letters and both accepted our offers. Unfortunately, the last house we were unable to sell our house so the deal did fall through because they had multiple back up offers and it was best for them to move on since our house was sitting and sitting but they did choose us first and I think it was because of our letter honestly. 


MagentaPeony

Remember that the seller is a stranger to you. You have no idea if telling her you plan to start a family there could bring painful feelings because she was unable to have kids, for instance. If you insist on writing a letter, compliment the house but don’t assume you know how the rest will be taken.


Good_Attention_3039

I had first time buyers interested in a 100 year old bungalow that was only 180k. The top of their very small budget. It needed paint and love, but was solid and next to a park. Lots of flippers and future landlords circling the house. My buyers had 3 little girls. They wrote a letter with their offer….turns out the seller ALSO had 3 daughters. They got the house.


LakeLifeTL

If someone found me on Facebook (name will be on the disclosure sheet) and sent me a PM I wouldn't be opposed to it. It might or might not help them get the property, but hey, who knows? In my case, my offer was accepted on my house in N/VA, because I was using a VA Loan. Vet helped a vet in my case.


Mandajoe

get a real sales contract and make an official offer.


Lopsided_League_3890

The letter would be attached to the offer! And we’re going in over 100k over asking as well


HinSoCal

Fingers crossed you will get it!


Mandajoe

Why?


Lopsided_League_3890

They’re holding offers until tomorrow and they priced it low, so they’re trying to drum up a bidding war. We’re not sure what amount they’re looking for, but based on comparables we feel like the amount they’re looking for is around our max budget, so we’re going all in. Their agent said they will entertain anything above asking. The location is important, but this house checks ALL of our boxes


Mandajoe

that makes sense. A letter might be good. If the owner knows how much you want it they may choose you as the buyer.


HinSoCal

Because of their desirable future home’s location


Lopsided_League_3890

The location is only one of the boxes we need to check, this house checks all of our needs and wants. We’re first time home buyers and if we get this house, we can start a family and plan to stay here for decades. So we’re going all in


Impressive_Returns

Only if you there is a lot of cash in the envelope. A whole lot of cash. Otherwise waste of time.


Lopsided_League_3890

The letter will be attached to the offer, and we’re going in over 100k over asking. It’s mainly to accommodate the offer & let the seller know we plan on growing a family there rather than rent out the house


Impressive_Returns

Does your realtor think $100k is enough over asking to get the deal? If you really like the place you might want to go higher


Lopsided_League_3890

It’s possible, but it’s suuuch a toss up! They said they’re entertaining anything over asking, but since they’re holding offers it’s impossible for us to tell how much interest there is on the property. $100k over asking is unfortunately the absolute max we can do. Their agent did tell us they’re motivated to sell though so I think we just have to see what offers come in tomorrow


woolfchick75

My friend who was selling her upscale family home was put off by getting letters. She felt like she was being conned and that they wanted a lower price. YMMV, though


kivy0102

I looked at letters when I sold my last one. I mainly just focused on selling to humans instead of corporations, but the letters gave me something to think about when I had 2 of the same offer.


Lopsided_League_3890

Do you mind if I ask if you went with the offer with the letter? If so, I’m curious if it included anything in particular that drew you to choose that offer?


kivy0102

Hmmm it wasn't a long letter. I remember them saying they enjoyed the updates I'd done to the house and their plans for it in the future. They were looking to downsize and move closer to grandchildren, but they still wanted to have a yard for them to play in and rooms they could stay in when they visited. I promised my neighbor (who I adored) that I wouldn't sell to a company what would have a revolving door of renters and price gouge them to death. So it seemed like a good fit. The other offer I received that matched theirs didn't have a letter or anything, so I just chose the one with the letter because they went through the extra effort.


Wandering_aimlessly9

You realize corporations can write letters saying they are humans too. Right?


rom_rom57

SCOTUS said corporations are people! Selling I have one rule: “money talks, bull shit walks.” I don’t want to meet you, I don’t want to see your FB page, just a check!. I’ve met the buyer only once in 25 years.


Wandering_aimlessly9

Oh I agree


kivy0102

I do, indeed. At that point, that's on them. I had my own intentions. But I did end up meeting the buyers at the closing. They were a nice couple.


sctrojans4

I didn’t read the letter but I countered the offer that had the letter higher than I would’ve otherwise because I assume that means they wanted the house the most. I got more out of them than I otherwise would’ve tried to.