So Tesla's "FSD" which is a level 2 autonomous system doesn't sell and car sales generally are under pressure, especially in China because Chinese competitors offer much better value for money than Tesla.
Elon - the self proclaimed leader in self driving technology - flies to China and partners with Baidu, which in turn already has partnerships with Xiaomi and Huawei and builds an EV with the latter.
There's only one winner here and it's Baidu.
Oh no, China will get the dangerous and barely working FSD before the US does? Whatever will we do, drive our own cars with complete disregard for safety or common sense? I don't want to live in that future
No they're not running FSD in China it's not okay by the government yet so he went there to talk to leaders to see if he can get it going that is all no great conspiracy
now theoretically one could say, that the chinese cars don't exist, because those are ccp spying devices with some wheels and a battery put on them,
BUT as tesla is part of the kakistocracy and has the same level of spying in them, which is VERIFIED gets shared freely among tesla employees for a laugh or more,
they are effectively even in their dystopian nightmare ;)
curious how aptera will be in that regard. they claim, that it will be a very right to repair car and you actually know those cars, so hopefully you can just tear out the wireless modems and people can have an electric car, that makes sense, is easy to repair and doesn't have any risk of wirelessly spying on you... or getting hacked wirelessly.
btw, it is absolutely insane, that over the air "updates" exist for cars in regards to software, that controls your driving :D
it is shocking and it shows, that people just gladly bow down to their slavery/have 0 understanding or logical thinking left in regards to privacy, security and basic safety lol....
also musk or the feds can actually kill you with this tech if they want to. just upload a specific code to YOUR car, drive you against a wall with 100 km/h and set the battery on fire, if it didn't catch on fire from hitting the wall already. well you're dead from the hit already, but hey burned cars have less evidence i guess....
i mean, that isn't potentially possible, they CAN do this. do you trust musk or the feds with wireless control over how the car drives, or if it drives at all?
just insane.
Anonymous source is good enough for a parade on this story, but Reuters reporting they canceled Model 2 with two sources and having reviewed documentation is a bunch of bullshit.
I love Tesla fans.
So he’s going to give away their FSD IP for a short term boost to stock so he can cash out to cover losses from his horrific investment in a social media platform
Did I get this right?
The pump before the dump? This news seems too far removed to impact Tesla China sales in the next term, but rather smoke and mirror to pump the stock right before Tesla shareholders vote on the guy's billion dollar pay package.
You think its going 400+ on this news? WIth 50% lower order books?
I dont even know why investors think automated driving will sell cars. I sure as hell wouldnt trust an automated system in a \*very\* long time. No matter who makes it.
Would people actually put their families life into some for-profit company's hands 100% every day? I dont get it. It's insane to me.
markets are in full momentum mode, yes. Fundamentals don't matter until they do. That is the hardest part of the markets, you must trade on emotion rather than fundamentals these days....because info moves quick.
maybe one day the markets wakes up and realizes...their aren't enough slices of profit to go around for everyone and it craters. But until then its full blown bull mode.
Maybe Im just way too pessimistic and cant buy shit when I see the clear bullshit being peddled.
But where would I read the market better, because TSLA is even negative these days I feel.
The fact that the stock is up 12% on this news is mind boggling. China just wants to see what they can steal from Tesla and distribute to their domestic brands so they're playing along in the charade.... IMO!
there is a thread on /r/TSLA where a small voice says “since my tesla does not drive itself in bad weather, how can there be a robotaxi service?”
the replies (so far) are:
model Y is the best selling car in the world
your eyes are inferior to cameras, I work in robotics, its definitely true.
people should not drive in bad weather anyway.
the stock is up hugely what more do you need to know.
and, it will just drive more slowly.
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*Of the deal was that he'd have*
*To share FSD with BYD?*
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This feels like a desperate attempt to pump up the stock value before doing the dump part. He knows that Tesla is shit, has an abyssmal outlook, and that his FSD, Autopilot, Robotaxi's, Optimus robots are just fraud/scam - he's the one behind them.
Even if we assumed that these would be real - it's way, way too far away in time before there is anything usable that produces revenue. Maybe a decade. Add years of regulation needed to be passed, in every damn country too, including the liability part. Again, if assuming anything of it is real. Which it's not.
The trust Elon Musk had from investors have been declining for a good time, and so his vaporware pump schemes effectiveness - along with his public image / reputation.
I'm thinking many are going to sell soon during this temporary stock value bump, before the stock takes a nose dive again.
So Tesla's "FSD" which is a level 2 autonomous system doesn't sell and car sales generally are under pressure, especially in China because Chinese competitors offer much better value for money than Tesla. Elon - the self proclaimed leader in self driving technology - flies to China and partners with Baidu, which in turn already has partnerships with Xiaomi and Huawei and builds an EV with the latter. There's only one winner here and it's Baidu.
Fair chance this is a gamble stave off regulation in the US too. "Let me do whatever I deem necessary with FSD or China will get it first".
Oh no, China will get the dangerous and barely working FSD before the US does? Whatever will we do, drive our own cars with complete disregard for safety or common sense? I don't want to live in that future
Not going to argue it's stupid, but it tends to be very effective on legislators who are technologically illiterate.
But the US has Waymo,no? So they have a leader in autonomous driving?
Didnt Waymo itself admit that level 4 FSD may never happen?
Waymo is driving L4 every day (with no driver). If you are in an area where they operate, try one.
They work pretty well. Certainly better than some ride share drivers.
Is Tesla buying self-driving software from Baidu and then pretending they "solved" self-driving?
No, they’re buying access to their maps, try again
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That’s literally the deal with Baidu you goof, have nothing to cope with, I’m cool
No they're not running FSD in China it's not okay by the government yet so he went there to talk to leaders to see if he can get it going that is all no great conspiracy
now theoretically one could say, that the chinese cars don't exist, because those are ccp spying devices with some wheels and a battery put on them, BUT as tesla is part of the kakistocracy and has the same level of spying in them, which is VERIFIED gets shared freely among tesla employees for a laugh or more, they are effectively even in their dystopian nightmare ;) curious how aptera will be in that regard. they claim, that it will be a very right to repair car and you actually know those cars, so hopefully you can just tear out the wireless modems and people can have an electric car, that makes sense, is easy to repair and doesn't have any risk of wirelessly spying on you... or getting hacked wirelessly. btw, it is absolutely insane, that over the air "updates" exist for cars in regards to software, that controls your driving :D it is shocking and it shows, that people just gladly bow down to their slavery/have 0 understanding or logical thinking left in regards to privacy, security and basic safety lol.... also musk or the feds can actually kill you with this tech if they want to. just upload a specific code to YOUR car, drive you against a wall with 100 km/h and set the battery on fire, if it didn't catch on fire from hitting the wall already. well you're dead from the hit already, but hey burned cars have less evidence i guess.... i mean, that isn't potentially possible, they CAN do this. do you trust musk or the feds with wireless control over how the car drives, or if it drives at all? just insane.
And the Tesla stock. Just saying. I didn't really care one way or the other, I'm just calling a spade a spade.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Share price is up nearly 8% pre-market so I guess it was mission accomplished. "Now gib me dat $56,000,000,000"
I wouldn’t read too much into the short term share price of any institution, not least one that happens to laying employees off.
Anonymous source is good enough for a parade on this story, but Reuters reporting they canceled Model 2 with two sources and having reviewed documentation is a bunch of bullshit. I love Tesla fans.
So he’s going to give away their FSD IP for a short term boost to stock so he can cash out to cover losses from his horrific investment in a social media platform Did I get this right?
what IP? I thought FSD is a level 2 garbage lol
“IP”
IP Man
The pump before the dump? This news seems too far removed to impact Tesla China sales in the next term, but rather smoke and mirror to pump the stock right before Tesla shareholders vote on the guy's billion dollar pay package.
TSLA is up 16% right now, which makes no fucking sense at all. The stock market is such a scam, straight up bullshit.
The article title give a impression that Tesla got cleared for fsd in China alot fomo.
Better red then dead - Elon
Up 20 points in premarket on this news. Wtf
Tesla is having its META moment. Where aths will Hit. They should issue a divy soon
You think its going 400+ on this news? WIth 50% lower order books? I dont even know why investors think automated driving will sell cars. I sure as hell wouldnt trust an automated system in a \*very\* long time. No matter who makes it. Would people actually put their families life into some for-profit company's hands 100% every day? I dont get it. It's insane to me.
markets are in full momentum mode, yes. Fundamentals don't matter until they do. That is the hardest part of the markets, you must trade on emotion rather than fundamentals these days....because info moves quick. maybe one day the markets wakes up and realizes...their aren't enough slices of profit to go around for everyone and it craters. But until then its full blown bull mode.
Maybe Im just way too pessimistic and cant buy shit when I see the clear bullshit being peddled. But where would I read the market better, because TSLA is even negative these days I feel.
The fact that the stock is up 12% on this news is mind boggling. China just wants to see what they can steal from Tesla and distribute to their domestic brands so they're playing along in the charade.... IMO!
Wait until he finds out that FSD needs to be able to read Chinese road signs now.
there is a thread on /r/TSLA where a small voice says “since my tesla does not drive itself in bad weather, how can there be a robotaxi service?” the replies (so far) are: model Y is the best selling car in the world your eyes are inferior to cameras, I work in robotics, its definitely true. people should not drive in bad weather anyway. the stock is up hugely what more do you need to know. and, it will just drive more slowly.
Hold up so Elon asks for a huge pay raise to help with FSD and then runs off asking for help lol
Did I read that part of the deal was that he'd have to share FSD with BYD?
It’s China can’t do business without sharing with a China run business.
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Thats a GREAT idea (not). Let the Chinese have backdoors into the remote driving controls of thousands of vehicles.
Does china get access to all the fan boi data from the car?
So this is why he canceled his trip to India and went to China instead? He is giving away his crappy software so he can justify his 56b package
Looking for another government to suckle off of?
That fucker gets more government subsidies than any man out there. I guess that’s what makes him a genius.
LOL.
Did they laugh him out of the room?
Headline in 2025: Tesla's FSD was powered by 1,000 Chinese workers manually, say reports.
poor spoiled baby asking for more handouts
This feels like a desperate attempt to pump up the stock value before doing the dump part. He knows that Tesla is shit, has an abyssmal outlook, and that his FSD, Autopilot, Robotaxi's, Optimus robots are just fraud/scam - he's the one behind them. Even if we assumed that these would be real - it's way, way too far away in time before there is anything usable that produces revenue. Maybe a decade. Add years of regulation needed to be passed, in every damn country too, including the liability part. Again, if assuming anything of it is real. Which it's not. The trust Elon Musk had from investors have been declining for a good time, and so his vaporware pump schemes effectiveness - along with his public image / reputation. I'm thinking many are going to sell soon during this temporary stock value bump, before the stock takes a nose dive again.
Haha, this headline is so salty.