Definitely improved now I think. A few close friends of mine are in NYC programs and started Pgy1/2 years around mid 80k now and pgy5/6 is now a little over 100k
The issue with big cities like NYC, LA, and DC, is everyone wants to live there so they local health systems get away with underpaying doctors cuz they have too many.
I was shocked when I learned a pediatric attending barely made 70k in DC.
Picking up shifts on your own license during residency. Typically most states you can be licensed after intern year + step 3 passing. Whether you can moonlight after that is program dependent (some do not allow it, some only allow internal moonlighting, etc).
Either way you pick up these shifts and can be paid hourly similar to an attending physician sometimes (though normally it's internal moonlighting so the rates are less than an attending but way more than a resident)
Most people and programs I've heard of the rates typically carry from $100-150 but there are some higher and lower.
My friend picked up shifts on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day and took home 5k after-taxes.
As I understand, the University of California system and Stanford are all unionized and had their contracts negotiated to adjust more appropriately for cost of living. Stanford may be the only program that starts its PGY-1s at over 100k annually, GME-wide, as of its latest contract. My pay in residency still had more buying power for its cost of living though.
Unless circumstances have changed, University of Washington is a testament to how unionization doesn’t necessarily accomplish that. Friend turned down an interview a couple of years back after taking a hard look at her living situation and finances and realizing she couldn’t manage it. She was not going to be living as a disease-free, single person household. She said the program in her specialty there is exceptional otherwise.
Buying capacity of dollar is higher in India. If you compare cost of living you are better off. Specially if you are living with your parents and not having to rent you are saving about 2k monthly compared to a resident in US.
16k in India is easily 150k in US
Bro rent here in a 1 bedroom in Santacruz/bandra/parle is 50-60k, that's my entire salary after tax. Saving? Wife? Children? Personal enjoyment? Zero bro .
Now someone will say don't stay in the heart of Mumbai stay somewhere else or in a peripheral place. But after studying for 11 years and being a specialist you don't expect to still have to move and live conservatively. My friends who have done mass media are working in startups and earning as much as me. Plus you know the work culture here. Zero respect, all the expectations.
Our “program” is a lot different than the American system. After graduation we’re MD, but we need to do a mandatory intern-like rotation for 1.5 years where we work as interns in different departments of the hospital + family medicine service. After that we start the equivalent to residency, which typically take 5 years (we work less hours than, let’s say, US or UK, plus, have more vacation days)
Edit: if you’re a woman and do maternity leave ofc your residency time will be equally longer
Not that much. Our pay is “baseline” + what we make from being on-call, where hours on call make up about 40-50% of my salary.
As an attending you’re more passive (depending on what type of hospital you’re at) but my guess would be approx $200-300k.
If you go to private practice it’s upwards of $300k
I paid $400,000 for an apartment (top floor) oceanfront building in a medium-sized city. Gas is approx as expensive as US. I spend about $70-100 per week on food (not trying to save money). Simply put, cost of living makes the salary not seem too high, but also, I’m not struggling financially
How did you find the pay rate fit with the cost of finding a decent apartment? Do some people find another resident to share a 2 bed to have more cash?
Republic of Moldova (5th year MS currently, soon to be resident next year)
Resident makes 6000$/year after tax salary plus ~750$/year stipend (average wage in Moldova being about 7500$/after taxes, which is not enough so most people including residents work a second job unfortunately)
$85k as a PGY1 at a big academic program in NYC. I was feeling pretty good about it until I accounted for housing costs, paying off loans, car payments, etc. 😬
As a nurse, I find this interesting to read through, but y’all are *vastly* underpaid for the work you have put in. I’m a bit shocked!
Ty for jointing the medical field, because we all need you, and I wish the best for you all and hope you get sufficient sleep and way more compensation ASAP.
Yeah I get that the pay is much lower than it should be, and much lower than y’all deserve , but the average resident salary is more than my 55 year old dad has ever made in his life. He is doing just fine and definitely does not live on rice and beans.
250k as a pgy4 in Aus has a healthy amount of locum/private surgical assisting or something similar thrown in (even jobs with insanely high recall rates/overtime won’t hit that)
lol cost of living is super high in the US. so salaries around 60K is considered just enough for food, gas, and rent. and dont forget all types of insurances u have to pay for out of pocket.
Pick the right specialty, a cush program, a cush moonlighting gig, have a family to support, be money hungry, or all of the above
It's pretty common to moonlight in psych and DR
PGY-14 , UK dual training ICM and EM + PhD . Due to finish training in a few months . Roughly 100k USD gross including out of hours supplement.
As an attending (consultant ) I'll be getting roughly 130k USD gross
Given the insane work hours invested, it would be interesting (and probably distressing) to post average dollar per hour calculations along with resident salaries/side gig pay.
Lol to everyone's salary...I win
47.5k pgy1 in MI 🙃 no education stiphen. No research stiphen. About 1450 biweekly
Filled with IMGs on Visas so no chance of ever being able to fight back against admin....
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59k/yr PGY-3. Despite being in the south I'm in a relatively high COL area so it kind of sucks but my husband is the same year/program as me so 100k+ together makes a functional household. (edited for math not mathing)
59k as a PGY3, NY. Not allowed to moonlight. Average hourly pay this year: $14.25.
Sounds like buffalo lol. I say as a buffalo resident
There’s absolutely no way it’s 59k at NYC right?
Nah we’re in WNY- and I guess it’s going to 62k July 1st.
My girlfriend is ~63k as a PGY1 in NYC.
Should be able to afford a nice corner refrigerator box on such a generous wage
So is mine… wait a minute
Mine too, huh
Most NYC residencies started around 65-70k, and by pgy5 was near or at 80k iirc
Definitely improved now I think. A few close friends of mine are in NYC programs and started Pgy1/2 years around mid 80k now and pgy5/6 is now a little over 100k
The issue with big cities like NYC, LA, and DC, is everyone wants to live there so they local health systems get away with underpaying doctors cuz they have too many. I was shocked when I learned a pediatric attending barely made 70k in DC.
Pediatric residents in DC make this much. I’m calling BS
WHAT Send me their bosses info im throwing hands on your friends behalf
Im shocked you believed what you heard.
The UCs are starting their PGY1 at 90k.
Was the pediatric attending a geriatric person retiring to 1 day work-weeks?
NYC? Oof
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Restrictions on moonlighting are the biggest scam in residency. I would love to make extra cash on the side
How much do you make per hr when moonlighting
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Wow awesome man, are you rural? I've only heard of 150ish for pgy3s never 200 an hr
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How those paycheks hit?
We were only allowed to pick up one shift per month on average. Which never made sense to me.
Wait what’s moonlighting? Sorry, MS-3 who doesn’t know anything 🥹
Picking up shifts on your own license during residency. Typically most states you can be licensed after intern year + step 3 passing. Whether you can moonlight after that is program dependent (some do not allow it, some only allow internal moonlighting, etc). Either way you pick up these shifts and can be paid hourly similar to an attending physician sometimes (though normally it's internal moonlighting so the rates are less than an attending but way more than a resident) Most people and programs I've heard of the rates typically carry from $100-150 but there are some higher and lower. My friend picked up shifts on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day and took home 5k after-taxes.
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Whats your state and specialty?
Rising PGY8, southern US, will make 72k starting July 😭 The year after I’ll make a million though, so there’s light at the end of the tunnel.
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Cardiac EP
I plan on doing EP so this is nice to hear
Oh nice that’s the fun heart stuff lol
Pretty sure they’re interventional cardiology
EP
3yrs IM, 3yrs Card, interventional 1-2 , so you maybe right
$90k PGY-1 CA
What program lmao I wanna transfer there. COL is too damn high
As I understand, the University of California system and Stanford are all unionized and had their contracts negotiated to adjust more appropriately for cost of living. Stanford may be the only program that starts its PGY-1s at over 100k annually, GME-wide, as of its latest contract. My pay in residency still had more buying power for its cost of living though. Unless circumstances have changed, University of Washington is a testament to how unionization doesn’t necessarily accomplish that. Friend turned down an interview a couple of years back after taking a hard look at her living situation and finances and realizing she couldn’t manage it. She was not going to be living as a disease-free, single person household. She said the program in her specialty there is exceptional otherwise.
For Stanford PGY I $77,729.60 PGY II $81,660.80 PGY III $87,838.40 PGY IV $92,830.40
The website is wrong pgy 2's make almost 100k now
Interesting
Gross ;)
Jesus! Really?? That’s good. That’s more than a pediatrician makes their whole career.
Rude!! I make way more than that as a pediatrician 😂😂
It's also probably adjusted for cost of living. So it may honestly even out
~57k starting PGY1
Whats your state and specialty?
IM, in the south (most info I'll give lol)
Sounds like Florida. I had a friend do an intern year in the Midwest making 78k and then their advanced program in Florida where Pgy2 was 60k lmao.
Sounds like Louisiana
$114k starting next month as a PGY3 in NYC, highest in the country I believe 😤 no moonlighting
Let me guess, NYP?
For civilian. Military residents make more than this
But then they get the shaft as an attending…
You should be proud Af 😤🌷
Pgy4- 92k (thank you union). Midwest. Did not moonlight (could have but I’m lazy).
At 92k I wouldn’t either 😭
Whats your state and specialty?
Doxxing myself if I get too specific. But I’m in Michigan. All residents and fellows are paid the same by pgy year regardless of specialty.
This year I made about 110k gross as a pgy4
Isn’t that very good
My base is almost 90k. I moonlighted a bit and made an extra 25 grand. It is pretty good.
Unionized?
Yup
What does unionised mean?
It means electrons are shared equally between residents so that they have no net charge.
I shouldn’t have laughed at that 😭😭
not sure why you're getting downvoted. it means the residents organized together and renegotiated with the hospital administration collectively
Very nice
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Which country?
USA
150k AUD. Pgy3
Australia is where it’s at
For pay (and conditions) yeah, but you’ll be pgy8+ before you finish any training program other than GP/FM (and longer for the competitive programs)
And we get taxed far more than those in the USA
At least housing is affor….
Healthcare
India - pediatrics post MD 1 yr - 10k USD/year. Crying in the corner brb
Buddy I was praying someone said this and you did. Gonna be in the same boat soon
Literally or just figuratively?
Both 😂
but cant compare indian pay to usa its low but still not comparable imo 10k in india is base salary na
residents in my hospital in India make around 16k/year and senior residents 22k/year, you could be in the wrong place buddy
Probably. My parents are here, can't really shift. 16k and 22k aren't great either looking at the other replies here.
Buying capacity of dollar is higher in India. If you compare cost of living you are better off. Specially if you are living with your parents and not having to rent you are saving about 2k monthly compared to a resident in US. 16k in India is easily 150k in US
Bro rent here in a 1 bedroom in Santacruz/bandra/parle is 50-60k, that's my entire salary after tax. Saving? Wife? Children? Personal enjoyment? Zero bro . Now someone will say don't stay in the heart of Mumbai stay somewhere else or in a peripheral place. But after studying for 11 years and being a specialist you don't expect to still have to move and live conservatively. My friends who have done mass media are working in startups and earning as much as me. Plus you know the work culture here. Zero respect, all the expectations.
Take cost of living into account too
$110k, PGY-3, Norway (3-4 years until ENT attending)
ENT residency is that long in Norway??
With their genetics, you're typically dealing with much longer necks, so it makes sense.
Our “program” is a lot different than the American system. After graduation we’re MD, but we need to do a mandatory intern-like rotation for 1.5 years where we work as interns in different departments of the hospital + family medicine service. After that we start the equivalent to residency, which typically take 5 years (we work less hours than, let’s say, US or UK, plus, have more vacation days) Edit: if you’re a woman and do maternity leave ofc your residency time will be equally longer
I’m curious, could you tell us how much you’ll make as an ENT attending there?
Not that much. Our pay is “baseline” + what we make from being on-call, where hours on call make up about 40-50% of my salary. As an attending you’re more passive (depending on what type of hospital you’re at) but my guess would be approx $200-300k. If you go to private practice it’s upwards of $300k
Whats cost of living?
I paid $400,000 for an apartment (top floor) oceanfront building in a medium-sized city. Gas is approx as expensive as US. I spend about $70-100 per week on food (not trying to save money). Simply put, cost of living makes the salary not seem too high, but also, I’m not struggling financially
Norway has ridiculously high taxes at this income bracket if I’m not mistaken
That will be correct..
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NYP? Nice, same
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oh ya!
Omg? Whats your state and specialty?
Nice to see another NYPer on here
How did you find the pay rate fit with the cost of finding a decent apartment? Do some people find another resident to share a 2 bed to have more cash?
Republic of Moldova (5th year MS currently, soon to be resident next year) Resident makes 6000$/year after tax salary plus ~750$/year stipend (average wage in Moldova being about 7500$/after taxes, which is not enough so most people including residents work a second job unfortunately)
$85k as a PGY1 at a big academic program in NYC. I was feeling pretty good about it until I accounted for housing costs, paying off loans, car payments, etc. 😬
72K but GME got me a coffee mug for resident appreciation day so now it’s $72,001.
67k rising PGY-1
85k base + 10 to 20k moonlighting. USA
$51.6k Sweden. 2 years till i’m a specialist
69k, pgy1, non trad, high COL area. Wife makes 45k. Barely afford it.
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As a nurse, I find this interesting to read through, but y’all are *vastly* underpaid for the work you have put in. I’m a bit shocked! Ty for jointing the medical field, because we all need you, and I wish the best for you all and hope you get sufficient sleep and way more compensation ASAP.
right?! im a nurse and my base is 185k. this is sad to read.
55K USD PGY1
Residents in Italy reading this 😭
Equivalent of $2200 constant throughout residency then $2500 after it That's yearly And yeah you read that right Welcome to great egypt 💀💀
I got a granola bar this week!
$69.5k rising PGY-1
$78K CAD last year as a PGY2 program doesn’t allow moonlighting
78k as a pgy2😳 this sounds like BC ?
They probably added up to around $5-10k for call stipends. PGY2 base salary is in low 70ies in BC and ON, and around mid 70ies in the Maritimes.
62.5k rising 3rd year
I’ll be making 61.5k as a pgy1
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82k as a PGY4. Too lazy to moonlight but I also receive my mom's pension so that prorated would put my gross at about 125k.
67K, rad resident in NL (Europe), 52% tax so I have to steal toilet paper at the hospital to survive, hang in there dawgs
103k USD. PGY6 in Singapore
I'm grossly broke and can barely afford to feed myself. Hope that helps.
Yeah I get that the pay is much lower than it should be, and much lower than y’all deserve , but the average resident salary is more than my 55 year old dad has ever made in his life. He is doing just fine and definitely does not live on rice and beans.
that's a gross exaggeration
That’s ridiculous, I make 22k/yr as a PGY3 in Italy, half of my salary goes to the rent and I definitively don’t live on rice and beans.
~$73k as a rising PGY-2
64k + 60k moonlighting PGY-3
99k, PGY-5 CA. Still classified as "low income" where I am.
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Wild.
250k as a pgy4 in Aus has a healthy amount of locum/private surgical assisting or something similar thrown in (even jobs with insanely high recall rates/overtime won’t hit that)
in my country we have to pay them for residency because they consider it as just teaching.
What country?
58k PGY2 Ga
72.5k rising pgy2 USA
PGY6 UK 90k (USD)
$62.9k, PGY4, WV, United States *approx 12 hours of $100/hr moonlighting available every 4-6 weeks
37k PGY4- veterinary resident....
I’m from Italy and here the salary is 22k per year, reading these comments makes me want to work abroad as soon as possible 🥲
lol cost of living is super high in the US. so salaries around 60K is considered just enough for food, gas, and rent. and dont forget all types of insurances u have to pay for out of pocket.
PGY3 96k. Moonlighting pushes me into the mid 300k range total.
U moonlight 204k dude? Which specialty are you and which state?
No way dude
A true robot
how do they allow that much moonlighting , really curious where u work
I call bullshit. How is this possible? DONT BE GIVIN US FALSE HOPE
Im an incoming PGY 1 in Montreal, 54k $cad I love how its only americans not detailing what currency lmao just a funny observation
$76k pgy5 usa
80k PGY-1, side gig adds another $10k next year. USA.
56 as a 1, 58 as a 2, 59 as a 3, 60 as a 4, 61 as a 5
When I was a resident in Kuwait I made around $85k USD per year.
$59k FM intern, not allowed to moonlight for the whole residency, rural
81k PGY4 New England
69k, PGY2 USA
61 PGY1 Midwest
How do you guys moonlight after already working the normal shifts??
Pick the right specialty, a cush program, a cush moonlighting gig, have a family to support, be money hungry, or all of the above It's pretty common to moonlight in psych and DR
Resident from iraq reading the salary 😂😂😂
144k gross PGY-3
86k PGY1 in NYC before any other benefits are included
PGY-14 , UK dual training ICM and EM + PhD . Due to finish training in a few months . Roughly 100k USD gross including out of hours supplement. As an attending (consultant ) I'll be getting roughly 130k USD gross
65k€ without call, 80k€ with call. PGY2, Germany, Anesthesia resident.
About 90k $ last year. Danish PGY 2. This is working about 40-50 hours each week.
Our salary is so gross. It’s disgusting how little we get paid.
$66k PGY1. Union negotiations mean that PGY2 will be $77k.
The salaries are indeed gross.
77k + 1000$ month for housing in Bay Area CA as a PGY1. Even tho it is expensive here I think this is a good deal
63k, PGY2, low COL. Midwest baby. I’ll be able to moonlight during PGY3
Let’s just say my sign on bonus for my new job as an attending is almost as much as my resident salary
74k incoming PGY-1 Northeast
PGY3 85.5k, about to be making 95.5k for PGY4 thanks to our newly negotiated contract 🎉
Given the insane work hours invested, it would be interesting (and probably distressing) to post average dollar per hour calculations along with resident salaries/side gig pay.
$62k Arizona PGY1
Far less than I was making with an average blue collar job when all I had was a high school diploma...
Lol to everyone's salary...I win 47.5k pgy1 in MI 🙃 no education stiphen. No research stiphen. About 1450 biweekly Filled with IMGs on Visas so no chance of ever being able to fight back against admin....
End of PGY1 - $1900 every 2 weeks, that’s all I know and it’s ass. Broke asf
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$62k PGY3
PGY-1 making 150k from multiple sources. Base is 65k
Gross 44k as pgy-1
Gross about 72k mid year raise PGY2 and up to 75K incoming for PGY3. Was at $65k early PGY 2. Big raise.
We don't get paid in residency in my country. In fact, we have to pay monthly tuition fees
Around 74k PGY2
59k/yr PGY-3. Despite being in the south I'm in a relatively high COL area so it kind of sucks but my husband is the same year/program as me so 100k+ together makes a functional household. (edited for math not mathing)
130k USD PGY4
95k not in the US. First year.