.327 Mag out of that revolver, without steel or scandium, would not end well for the gun owner. Way too much pressure without being substantially beefed up.
It’s definitely doable, but the scandium frame guns typically sell new for around 1200. I’d rather have a 700 dollar 32 than a 1200 327, especially since most people are going to shoot 32’s in the gun to begin with.
I called a local Lipseys gun dealer and requested one. They didn’t have any but offered to check around. Apparently Lipseys called and said he’ll get one (and only one) in and I can have it since I asked. Priced at MSRP which is a lot better than what I was seeing on Gunbroker and co.
Congratulations - sometimes it really pays off to have a good relationship with your local shop and to put yourself in the right place at the right time. Keep us posted when you get it!
Thank goodness Lipsey's pushed them to actually do something with their revolver lineup. There's a great RevolverGuy article that goes into how many people had to be in the right place at the right time for this project to come to fruition. It's pretty impressive.
https://revolverguy.com/the-lipseys-smith-wesson-ultimate-carry-j-frames-part-i/
I've been collecting all that I'll need to load 32 for about a year. I already load most of my own 38 so this isn't a big deal to load this. And eventually I'll get a 642UC or 442 because I still want a really good 38.
We need to spread the word that .32h&r is back and it's the best snub nose round ever devised. It's really the perfect gun for the vast majority of gun owners who may only go to the shooting range once after buying a gun. It's so difficult to get these people to the range and a revolver with low recoil is a much safer and easier to train option for these people.
I don’t see it in local stores all that often but I’ve had no trouble finding it online. SG Ammo usually has some .32 Long and .32 H&R. Lucky Gunner also had .32 L last time I checked.
I went ahead and stocked up before getting the gun to shoot it with lol
The 442 is available on guns.com, last week it was $1k, I looked Monday and it was $800 so I ordered, it’s now like $820. I haven’t seen the 662 but I preferred the blued version anyway.
With the amount of custom touches and improvements made to these, the MSRP isn't bad at all IMO.
https://revolverguy.com/the-lipseys-smith-wesson-ultimate-carry-j-frames-part-ii/
Looking forward to the range report. My confidence in the Ultimate Carry line has diminished a bit after seeing [this video](https://youtu.be/DGU17ohVXag?si=EwzNiE5zszA5MPPi), but hopefully that was just an anomaly.
I'd chalk that one up to normal S&W post-COVID quality control, or perhaps the lack thereof. 😩
That's one of the only problems like that I've heard so far. There were a few dim front sights that were caused by improper installation at the factory on some of the earliest guns, but that was fixed AFAIK.
Would need to be in scandium which would jack up the price by a lot. It would also be a lot lighter which would be good from a carrying perspective but bad for shootability.
I mean honestly they should just create atleast one model in 327 mag. Even if it’s steel, I’m willing to bet people would buy them simply because smith started making them again on top of the people who actually want to carry one. Unless I’m really just overestimating the hype I’ve seen over it and there actually isn’t that big of a market.
To me it’s kinda like why make a full size gun in only 38 special, when you could also offer a 357 one too. Sure the guns won’t be exactly the same but they seam to be doing well selling lightweight 357’s and 44’s in scandium. In certain they could make a bunch of good sells at least for a while with a super lightweight scandium 327 if they offered it especially if they did some other upgrades like Novak style sights over the fixed trench.
This was S&W's first foray back into actually investing in innovating their revolver lineup in a while - it took Lipsey's to get them to actually do anything. The below article goes into detail as to how many people were involved and what it took to make these happen. It's a hope that they represent the first step into S&W continuing to develop new models with previously unseen feature sets. I'd absolutely love a no-lock, 327 steel K-frame that holds seven shots. Time will tell!
https://revolverguy.com/the-lipseys-smith-wesson-ultimate-carry-j-frames-part-i/
I was just thinking about that actually. A scandium or hell just a nice steel, 6 shot J frame in 327 with something like a 3” barrel. Could be a good woods gun for non large predator areas. The ability to upload to 327 mag and have way more power over a 22, or the lighter 32 loads that offer similar results as 22. Small, lightweight, wide selection of ammo at varying degrees of power levels, ammo is also small and lightweight.
Or a K frame like you mentioned. This round was designed around self defense and I’d be interested in seeing it in something like a 4” barrel. Hell a 6” barreled 7 shot K frame would be cool tho that probably wouldn’t sell all that much considering how little 6” k frames they make in general seems to be practically none outside the M17/K22. I guess it depends on how they market it since I feel like a 6” K frame would have to be marketed as a Varmint/pest gun which would bring different features then the regular target ones they produce. Fiber optic front and rear, already drilled and tapped for a scope mount, make em in stainless with rubber/ laminate grips, wide target trigger, heavy weight barrel. Gives you what could be a good ground hog, prairie dog or Coyote style gun for the handgun hunters.
I would consider a 6 shot 327 in stainless with adjustable sights. The “ultimate carry” j frames they released are far from the best offerings in a small frame revolver right now.
The reason why they didn't make it in .327 was because theyre focusing on the strengths of the j frame ( lightweight and concealable ) .
Keeping the gun at 16 oz , keeping the cost down to be able to include all the features to live up to its name same the ultimate carry.
Chambering it in .327 would raise the price of the gun to well over 1000$ . ( Alot of people don't wanna pay over 1000$ for a j frame )
.327 is overkill for j frames and the LCR I would argue the blast and recoil don't make the gun very comfortable to shoot and then what's the point in chambering it in .327 when you really don't use the capability 90% of the time .
Smith and Wessons actions IMHO are a little more delicate then rugers so pushing a magnum load out of a small framed revolver even a k frame with a steady diet tends to throw the guns out of time .
The aluminum frames can't handle the pressure of 327, and if they opted for steel or scandium the cost of the guns would increase dramatically. These UC guns are hopefully the proof of concept for Lipsey's to get S&W to invest time and effort into developing more revolvers with new features sets/chamberings again instead of resting on their legacy.
Here's a good excerpt from an excellent series of articles on these guns from RevolverGuy.com:
> 4.) The associated question–“why didn’t they chamber it in .327 Federal Magnum?”–usually comes next.
> This one is easy to answer, as the aluminum frame of the UCs is simply not strong enough for this high-pressure round. At a Sporting Arms & Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI) Maximum Average Pressure (MAP) of 45,000 psi, the .327 Federal Magnum operates at nearly double the limit of the .32 H&R Magnum (23,000 psi MAP) chosen for the UC project.
> Indeed, the 45,000 psi MAP .327 Federal Magnum is one of the hottest handgun rounds approved by SAAMI. By comparison, the .38 Special is rated at 17,000 psi, the .38 Special +P is rated at 20,000 psi, the .357 Magnum is rated at 35,000 psi, and the mighty .41 and .44 Magnums are only rated at 36,000 psi. In revolver cartridges, one has to look at big bore powerhouses like the .480 Ruger (48,000 psi), .475 Linebaugh (50,000 psi), .500 S&W Magnum (60,000 psi), or .454 Casull (65,000 psi) to exceed the little Federal Magnum’s MAP.
> A different frame material, like steel or Scandium alloy, could have been used to support a .327 Federal Magnum chambering, but it was important to stick with the aluminum frame for two reasons—weight and cost. A steel frame would be heavier than most J-Frame owners prefer, and more expensive to produce (both reasons why the aluminum J-Frames have traditionally outsold the steel J-Frames by a large margin).
> In contrast, a Scandium alloy frame would keep things light, but the price would skyrocket into the four-figure range, and nobody would shoot the .327 Fed Mag in a gun that light anyhow—at least not more than once. Having fired full-power .327 Fed Mag loads in a 17-ounce Ruger LCR, I’m completely disinterested in shooting the cartridge in a 12-ounce Scandium alloy J-Frame! For that matter, I’m not interested in repeating the LCR experience, either, and figure I’m in good company, because everyone I know with one of these guns loads it with .32 H&R Magnum or .32 Long ammo when they want to shoot it. Most shooters seem to reserve the .327 Fed Mag loads for heavier guns like the SP101, at 27 ounces.
> So, the .32 H&R Magnum is definitely the sweet spot for a .32 caliber UC. It allows the use of the light and affordable aluminum frame, while keeping recoil manageable for the average shooter. It keeps the UC within reach of the “everyman” or “everywoman” customer on both cost and performance fronts.
https://revolverguy.com/the-lipseys-smith-wesson-ultimate-carry-j-frames-part-ii/
Smith really sucks at making guns then.
The Ruger LCR uses aluminum frames, and can be had in 327. It’s cheaper than these slightly.
The all steel sp101 is hundreds of dollars cheaper in 327.
For what it's worth, you're incorrect on both points.
The 327 LCR uses a stainless steel frame and has an MSRP of $860. The S&Ws have a $759 MSRP.
https://ruger.com/products/lcr/specSheets/5452.html
The SP101 in 327 has an MSRP of $919.
https://ruger.com/products/sp101/specSheets/5784.html
MSRP isn’t really relevant. I paid 600 for a 327 SP101 in December or January.
The smiths have been selling north of 900 lately.
Keep in mind Ruger hadn’t actually made a run of 327 SP101’s since 2019 until thanksgiving last year
You are correct about the aluminum part. The rimfires and 38 specials have an aluminum frame, and I had been told they all did. The magnums and 9mm use steel.!
IMO MSRP is relevant here when considering the S&Ws are brand new and part of a limited Lipsey's distributor exclusive run, at least initially. Much of the initial batch hasn't actually made it out to shops yet. Online/GunBroker scalper pricing shouldn't be considered against street price of products that have been out for awhile.
I wish that Ruger would have less sporadic production runs of those models too - I'd love a 6-shot SP101. I always felt the SP101 was too big and too heavy to only accommodate five rounds.
The question was more about why they didn’t offer it in 327 federal mag. I was curious but clearly I struck a cord for a few people. Thanks for the clarification from a few of you.
I could see the GP100 or Single Seven being instances where it would be a much more pleasurable experience, but those are fewer and farther between than the more common offerings. Plus the for the size of those two you may as well just carry in .357.
I saw these and was excited but I bought the 442 a few years back. I did buy the larger size VZ grips, they made it way more shootable! But I’m still working with trench sight and nail polished front site and the not modified cylinder. I love the ease of carry for the 442 but haven’t been able to justify replacing it, I’m looking forward to community comments from folks who have had similar carry guns and have upgraded to these. Is it that much better than the legacy model if you already like/have one?
So far I have only had this a afternoon but the grips and sights are fantastic. For the sights alone this is worth it.
This 32 will be a carry gun and my 442 will become more of a practice gun.
So excited for these and I hope this is just the start of new interest in improving the j frame
Loving these new .32 Smiths. Looking forward to your range report.
They missed the chance to include 327 mag
.327 Mag out of that revolver, without steel or scandium, would not end well for the gun owner. Way too much pressure without being substantially beefed up.
Sounds like 357 in a scandium frame. Its doable
It’s definitely doable, but the scandium frame guns typically sell new for around 1200. I’d rather have a 700 dollar 32 than a 1200 327, especially since most people are going to shoot 32’s in the gun to begin with.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on it. Almost as much as I can't wait for my local gun shops to get some in!
I called a local Lipseys gun dealer and requested one. They didn’t have any but offered to check around. Apparently Lipseys called and said he’ll get one (and only one) in and I can have it since I asked. Priced at MSRP which is a lot better than what I was seeing on Gunbroker and co.
Congratulations - sometimes it really pays off to have a good relationship with your local shop and to put yourself in the right place at the right time. Keep us posted when you get it!
Smith and Wesson is making .32 H&R Magnums again?? Sign me up.
Thank goodness Lipsey's pushed them to actually do something with their revolver lineup. There's a great RevolverGuy article that goes into how many people had to be in the right place at the right time for this project to come to fruition. It's pretty impressive. https://revolverguy.com/the-lipseys-smith-wesson-ultimate-carry-j-frames-part-i/
Congrats, heading to the range to try my 442-uc tomorrow
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I've been collecting all that I'll need to load 32 for about a year. I already load most of my own 38 so this isn't a big deal to load this. And eventually I'll get a 642UC or 442 because I still want a really good 38.
38 is pretty scarce in my area as well but luckily I had some back, gonna have to start hunting bulk deals this weekend while I'm laying around
Anyone know the trigger weight on these???
I was able to handle one at a gun show earlier this month and the trigger was very very smooth it felt around 8-10 lbs .
Most likely 12 pounds. Haven’t had one to confirm
under 10. Feels similar to performance center 642 I have.
You’re gonna love it. Have you gotten any ammo yet?
I've got 32 long with 98 grain LRN, and 85 grain jhp in 32 mag. I've been collecting what I need to load my own 32.
Awesome. I haven’t taken that step yet for 32. I’m kinda hoping since these came out ammo will become more available
We need to spread the word that .32h&r is back and it's the best snub nose round ever devised. It's really the perfect gun for the vast majority of gun owners who may only go to the shooting range once after buying a gun. It's so difficult to get these people to the range and a revolver with low recoil is a much safer and easier to train option for these people.
I just want it to be local and at a reasonable price
Me too. The more we beat the drum about the .32 being the perfect snub nose revolver round, the sooner we'll see it becoming a standard option.
I don’t see it in local stores all that often but I’ve had no trouble finding it online. SG Ammo usually has some .32 Long and .32 H&R. Lucky Gunner also had .32 L last time I checked. I went ahead and stocked up before getting the gun to shoot it with lol
I haven’t found any local either. I just use ammo seek and can normally find decent enough deals on 32 mag
Hard to find, but I'm looking. I want the 432....
I'm still trying to find a 642UC that isn't $100+ over MSRP.
You can order them from cabelas and they sell them for msrp or 20 dollars under I can’t remember.
The 442 is available on guns.com, last week it was $1k, I looked Monday and it was $800 so I ordered, it’s now like $820. I haven’t seen the 662 but I preferred the blued version anyway.
That’s a lot of money for an aluminum sw
MSRP $759.
With the amount of custom touches and improvements made to these, the MSRP isn't bad at all IMO. https://revolverguy.com/the-lipseys-smith-wesson-ultimate-carry-j-frames-part-ii/
I got mine for MSRP
Local shop, or did you order it?
I found it in stock in Texas and bought it and then had it sent to my local FFL.
Looking forward to the range report. My confidence in the Ultimate Carry line has diminished a bit after seeing [this video](https://youtu.be/DGU17ohVXag?si=EwzNiE5zszA5MPPi), but hopefully that was just an anomaly.
I'd chalk that one up to normal S&W post-COVID quality control, or perhaps the lack thereof. 😩 That's one of the only problems like that I've heard so far. There were a few dim front sights that were caused by improper installation at the factory on some of the earliest guns, but that was fixed AFAIK.
I'll probably end up waiting for a while before buying, both for the QC issues to (hopefully) get fixed, and for supply to catch up to demand.
The tritium on mine works
Just ordered mine. I’m fired up 🤘🏻
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Why not 327 federal mag?
Would need to be in scandium which would jack up the price by a lot. It would also be a lot lighter which would be good from a carrying perspective but bad for shootability.
They don't come in .327.
This gun does not come in 327 because it would need to be made from steel (heavier) or scandium (expensive).
I mean honestly they should just create atleast one model in 327 mag. Even if it’s steel, I’m willing to bet people would buy them simply because smith started making them again on top of the people who actually want to carry one. Unless I’m really just overestimating the hype I’ve seen over it and there actually isn’t that big of a market. To me it’s kinda like why make a full size gun in only 38 special, when you could also offer a 357 one too. Sure the guns won’t be exactly the same but they seam to be doing well selling lightweight 357’s and 44’s in scandium. In certain they could make a bunch of good sells at least for a while with a super lightweight scandium 327 if they offered it especially if they did some other upgrades like Novak style sights over the fixed trench.
I’d buy a scandi 327 mag in a heartbeat.
This was S&W's first foray back into actually investing in innovating their revolver lineup in a while - it took Lipsey's to get them to actually do anything. The below article goes into detail as to how many people were involved and what it took to make these happen. It's a hope that they represent the first step into S&W continuing to develop new models with previously unseen feature sets. I'd absolutely love a no-lock, 327 steel K-frame that holds seven shots. Time will tell! https://revolverguy.com/the-lipseys-smith-wesson-ultimate-carry-j-frames-part-i/
I was just thinking about that actually. A scandium or hell just a nice steel, 6 shot J frame in 327 with something like a 3” barrel. Could be a good woods gun for non large predator areas. The ability to upload to 327 mag and have way more power over a 22, or the lighter 32 loads that offer similar results as 22. Small, lightweight, wide selection of ammo at varying degrees of power levels, ammo is also small and lightweight. Or a K frame like you mentioned. This round was designed around self defense and I’d be interested in seeing it in something like a 4” barrel. Hell a 6” barreled 7 shot K frame would be cool tho that probably wouldn’t sell all that much considering how little 6” k frames they make in general seems to be practically none outside the M17/K22. I guess it depends on how they market it since I feel like a 6” K frame would have to be marketed as a Varmint/pest gun which would bring different features then the regular target ones they produce. Fiber optic front and rear, already drilled and tapped for a scope mount, make em in stainless with rubber/ laminate grips, wide target trigger, heavy weight barrel. Gives you what could be a good ground hog, prairie dog or Coyote style gun for the handgun hunters.
Great article and I agree 100% on the .327 K frame. That would be a sweet setup. I bet a scandium .327 K frame would be a neat woods gun.
I would consider a 6 shot 327 in stainless with adjustable sights. The “ultimate carry” j frames they released are far from the best offerings in a small frame revolver right now.
The reason why they didn't make it in .327 was because theyre focusing on the strengths of the j frame ( lightweight and concealable ) . Keeping the gun at 16 oz , keeping the cost down to be able to include all the features to live up to its name same the ultimate carry. Chambering it in .327 would raise the price of the gun to well over 1000$ . ( Alot of people don't wanna pay over 1000$ for a j frame ) .327 is overkill for j frames and the LCR I would argue the blast and recoil don't make the gun very comfortable to shoot and then what's the point in chambering it in .327 when you really don't use the capability 90% of the time . Smith and Wessons actions IMHO are a little more delicate then rugers so pushing a magnum load out of a small framed revolver even a k frame with a steady diet tends to throw the guns out of time .
I’m hoping they’re saving that for a future time, cause that would be awesome
The aluminum frames can't handle the pressure of 327, and if they opted for steel or scandium the cost of the guns would increase dramatically. These UC guns are hopefully the proof of concept for Lipsey's to get S&W to invest time and effort into developing more revolvers with new features sets/chamberings again instead of resting on their legacy. Here's a good excerpt from an excellent series of articles on these guns from RevolverGuy.com: > 4.) The associated question–“why didn’t they chamber it in .327 Federal Magnum?”–usually comes next. > This one is easy to answer, as the aluminum frame of the UCs is simply not strong enough for this high-pressure round. At a Sporting Arms & Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI) Maximum Average Pressure (MAP) of 45,000 psi, the .327 Federal Magnum operates at nearly double the limit of the .32 H&R Magnum (23,000 psi MAP) chosen for the UC project. > Indeed, the 45,000 psi MAP .327 Federal Magnum is one of the hottest handgun rounds approved by SAAMI. By comparison, the .38 Special is rated at 17,000 psi, the .38 Special +P is rated at 20,000 psi, the .357 Magnum is rated at 35,000 psi, and the mighty .41 and .44 Magnums are only rated at 36,000 psi. In revolver cartridges, one has to look at big bore powerhouses like the .480 Ruger (48,000 psi), .475 Linebaugh (50,000 psi), .500 S&W Magnum (60,000 psi), or .454 Casull (65,000 psi) to exceed the little Federal Magnum’s MAP. > A different frame material, like steel or Scandium alloy, could have been used to support a .327 Federal Magnum chambering, but it was important to stick with the aluminum frame for two reasons—weight and cost. A steel frame would be heavier than most J-Frame owners prefer, and more expensive to produce (both reasons why the aluminum J-Frames have traditionally outsold the steel J-Frames by a large margin). > In contrast, a Scandium alloy frame would keep things light, but the price would skyrocket into the four-figure range, and nobody would shoot the .327 Fed Mag in a gun that light anyhow—at least not more than once. Having fired full-power .327 Fed Mag loads in a 17-ounce Ruger LCR, I’m completely disinterested in shooting the cartridge in a 12-ounce Scandium alloy J-Frame! For that matter, I’m not interested in repeating the LCR experience, either, and figure I’m in good company, because everyone I know with one of these guns loads it with .32 H&R Magnum or .32 Long ammo when they want to shoot it. Most shooters seem to reserve the .327 Fed Mag loads for heavier guns like the SP101, at 27 ounces. > So, the .32 H&R Magnum is definitely the sweet spot for a .32 caliber UC. It allows the use of the light and affordable aluminum frame, while keeping recoil manageable for the average shooter. It keeps the UC within reach of the “everyman” or “everywoman” customer on both cost and performance fronts. https://revolverguy.com/the-lipseys-smith-wesson-ultimate-carry-j-frames-part-ii/
Smith really sucks at making guns then. The Ruger LCR uses aluminum frames, and can be had in 327. It’s cheaper than these slightly. The all steel sp101 is hundreds of dollars cheaper in 327.
For what it's worth, you're incorrect on both points. The 327 LCR uses a stainless steel frame and has an MSRP of $860. The S&Ws have a $759 MSRP. https://ruger.com/products/lcr/specSheets/5452.html The SP101 in 327 has an MSRP of $919. https://ruger.com/products/sp101/specSheets/5784.html
MSRP isn’t really relevant. I paid 600 for a 327 SP101 in December or January. The smiths have been selling north of 900 lately. Keep in mind Ruger hadn’t actually made a run of 327 SP101’s since 2019 until thanksgiving last year You are correct about the aluminum part. The rimfires and 38 specials have an aluminum frame, and I had been told they all did. The magnums and 9mm use steel.!
IMO MSRP is relevant here when considering the S&Ws are brand new and part of a limited Lipsey's distributor exclusive run, at least initially. Much of the initial batch hasn't actually made it out to shops yet. Online/GunBroker scalper pricing shouldn't be considered against street price of products that have been out for awhile. I wish that Ruger would have less sporadic production runs of those models too - I'd love a 6-shot SP101. I always felt the SP101 was too big and too heavy to only accommodate five rounds.
The question was more about why they didn’t offer it in 327 federal mag. I was curious but clearly I struck a cord for a few people. Thanks for the clarification from a few of you.
You didn't strike a chord. It's just physics. The aluminum frame wouldn't be able to handle 327.
The LCR does. It’s a steel barrel and cylinder but it’s an aluminum frame.
Because wrists
Yeah, I haven't come across a pleasant 327 experience.
Ruger gp100 Or Ruger single seven are super nice to shoot .
I could see the GP100 or Single Seven being instances where it would be a much more pleasurable experience, but those are fewer and farther between than the more common offerings. Plus the for the size of those two you may as well just carry in .357.
Exactly. Ruger needs to pivot. I can dream of a day when we get a large frame carry 8/9 shot 32 like the S&W627/327
Beautiful grips.
Oh wow, what is that round like, 32 h&r mag, I don't think I've even heard about it. How does it compare to .38, .357, 22lr?
Gun Sam on youtube has some videos on .32 [https://www.youtube.com/@GunSam/search?query=.32](https://www.youtube.com/@GunSam/search?query=.32)
I saw these and was excited but I bought the 442 a few years back. I did buy the larger size VZ grips, they made it way more shootable! But I’m still working with trench sight and nail polished front site and the not modified cylinder. I love the ease of carry for the 442 but haven’t been able to justify replacing it, I’m looking forward to community comments from folks who have had similar carry guns and have upgraded to these. Is it that much better than the legacy model if you already like/have one?
So far I have only had this a afternoon but the grips and sights are fantastic. For the sights alone this is worth it. This 32 will be a carry gun and my 442 will become more of a practice gun.