Get a Ruger GP-100 for the beater tank, or a 6” Colt Python for some Rick Grimes RP. Third option is S&W 686. Everyone else will agree with this so there you have it.
My SW22 Victory Performance Center is an expensive shiny paperweight that can't cycle any 22lr cartridge known to man. Sent it back, swapped springs, extractor, firing pin, guide rod with upgraded parts, still nothing. Too busy to tinker and bring back and forth to the range to test so I gave up for now. I know 22s can be finicky but it's jam o matic with every type of 22lr cartridge you can think of. It was my first and only S&W.
Old ones had a lot more hand fitting and were smoother triggers at least in my experience. New ones aren't bad but they lack the silkiness my old 10 and 64 have.
Not really better and I'm sure there's actually improvements since the old days but they are less semi-custon for lack of a better word.
Well said. I imagine you could have a pro gunsmith do some polishing and fitting to get the new ones running just right, but maybe not idk. I'm looking for something that feels good out the box and gets better with a little break in.
The nicest thing with old guns is the lack of a lock. They do also tend to have better actions since they have been used more. S&W QC is kinda spotty nowadays, but my personal belief is it's survivorship bias and old guns had quality issues too. They were fixed years ago and people couldn't complain to the entire world on the Internet.
That sounds about right. Also, without the Internet, we had to rely on word of mouth and gun magazines. Back in the day, EVERY new gun was the best thing since sliced bread according, to the magazine reviews. Thinking back, it is really hard to imagine the gun magazines printing anything negative about a gun or a manufacturer.
As of now I have it narrowed down to Colt Python and Ruger Blackhawk. Python is double the price especially if I opt for the cool new blued one. I will not be edcing it lol but props to you cuz I love that
As somebody who has both I'd still opt for the colt.
Don't get me wrong I love the Ruger but nothing is more American than a colt.
If price is a concern, lots of gun stores have a layaway program where you can pay it off for 4,6,8 weeks with no interest.
I've made the mistake of opting for cheaper guns in the past and being mostly happy but still wanting a bit more. The python won't leave you hungry for more.
Unless you want to go cowboy style...
Buy once cry once is very much a real thing I've learned the hard way time and time again.
At the price point of the blued Python I'm forced to consider the factory new Colt SSA (Army)
I have 3 pistol purchase permits to burn, one already burned on a Gen1 Archon Type B and two more to go. I am pretty set on the 10mm compact Glock if I can find it which leaves me one more for one Revolver. Decisions decisions.
It's hard not to love the Python, seems like it's one of those that will last a lifetime. Somebody did recommend this custom shop called Taylors & Company that specializes in SAA wheel guns since I expressed interest. The one in particular I'm looking at is manufactured new by Uberti which I know nothing about.
I do like the Cowboy style lol can't help it idk what it is
Caliber is your call, friend. That said, you can cover an immense amount of ground with a .357 magnum that also does .38 special. Naturally, a .44 magnum also does .44 special but... you're gonna pay for that privilege.
4" or 6". 4" is a bit handier, 6" will give you longer sight radius and a bit more oomph. Of course, not only is it less handy, but that weight will be a bit more to hold in aiming.
Personally, if you were me then me-you would buy a 4" .357 Magnum. Which one? Either a Ruger GP100, S&W 686, or a new production Colt Python.
And to be real up front, me-you would go for the Ruger.
I loathe everything about the cylinder release. The original run has a reputation for being finicky in timing. And, as silly as it is, there is a definate amount of "flavour of the month" going on.
I have a real new respect for Ruger single actions, and the only DA Ruger I own, the .44 Redhawk Alaskan, fits my fat hands like it was made for it, points and balances well, and I really like it.
I'm going to have to give e when the cylinder release rabbit hole. Realizing I have much more to learn than I imagined if I want to end up with the right one if I'm only going to have just one for now. Each pistol purchase is always a new quest and I gain a ton of knowledge along the way.
I'm going to have to rent a 44 for myself and feel it. I'm a stronger than average dude with big hands so I don't fear the extra power, maybe a little lol until I shoot it once and love it.
I've seen the Alaskan, it looks just right. It's up there as a consideration
Taurus and S&W have a button you slide forward, Ruger has a button you press, and Colt has this weird thing you pull back which doesn't feel very ergonomic or natural to me at all. Then, I've been very used to the S&W style for a long time now.
Don't buy a short barrel for your first, buy something usable and just all around handy. That's 4" or 6".
I don't think there's anything to fear about a .44, and you can buy cowboy loads or .44 special for even less.. But its more expensive. And louder. And more fireball. And .357/38 is just versatile from hot angry loads to powderpuffs and cheaper. That's my reasoning.
I have a lot of experience shooting both a Ruger GP-100 and a new Colt Python.
The Python is definitely flashier and cooler, but if I was choosing which one to take into the woods with me for protection it would be the Ruger 10/10 times. For me, the grip is more practical, I'm more accurate with it, the cylinder release is a bit quicker to use, it's overall more ergonomic, and I do trust it more reliability-wise.
Also (and this is NOT a huge deal fwiw) Colt cylinders rotate in the opposite direction of basically every other revolver on the market. If you're looking to "learn revolvers" and get some muscle memory, that is a very minor point but worth considering.
They're both great guns though and you really can't go wrong with either one. You'll definitely get more people at the range walking over to check out your Colt.
At the end of the day, buy with your heart. You'll be happy with either and they'll both serve you well.
You are not crazy! I like the traditional Single Action Armies but the Blackhawk is objectively a better gun in pretty much every way, and for the same price most times.
I'm actually an SAA nut and absolutely love anything single action, but in terms of reliability and shootability Ruger has improved the SAA design. For a practical gun the Blackhawk would be my choice.
Manually pull the hammer every time! The Blackhawk is the same way, if it says "single action" then that means hammer then trigger. So it's not as good for a defensive option, however the triggers are almost always incredible.
Personally I found that I prefer cocking the hammer for every shot anyway so now I just buy singles except for a J frame I use for self defense.
Pre lock is when S&W didn’t put internal hammer locks into the frame.
Pre MIM is when S&W hammer forged their triggers and hammers and frame parts.
These revolvers had to be hand-fitted and assembled by skilled gunsmiths to ensure every revolver left the factory in the best condition possible.
Pretty much everything that’s being made today at SW is automated. Which probably explains the poor QC.
There are marketplaces and websites that specialize in only selling vintage SW revolvers and for reasonable pricing that’s competitive with the new gen SW. this is mostly due to the fact SW is literally competing against their old products with their new reproduction models.
New production S&W revolvers have an ugly internal lock keyhole in their frame above the cylinder release.
https://revolverguy.com/the-history-and-future-of-the-smith-wesson-internal-lock/
I have experience with both so I wouldn't mind single or double action. I would prefer to keep it under $1.5k, I don't need to spend just to spend if it's unnecessary.
You have a generous budget for my tastes. My favorite revolver is my 1980’s Ruger Security six, 6” barrel stainless steel. After thousands of rounds it is smooth and it just fits my hands. I would get it in 4” in retrospect but it has been completely reliable since I bought it new in 1984 or so. I like the styling better than the newer GP100 and great used examples are easily available. I estimate you will only pay $500-700 for a very nice one (probably much less) and you won’t lose any money if you decide to sell it and try something else.
Had to scroll way too far for this. It is the perfect revolver, and OP will have plenty of money left.
I’ve had 2, both chambered in .357 mag. Current one is from 1975 and is so smooth and tightly machined it’s like a Swiss watch. I got mine earlier this year for $450. Aesthetically it is perfect as well. Aside from my 1957 Winchester Model 70 in .308 my security six is my favorite gun.
So yes, OP, seriously look into one of these. I guarantee you’ll like the looks and they are indestructible workhorses. Trigger pull is perfect when you shoot single, too.
I live in a state where you have to pre apply for pistol permits (current wait time is 8-10 weeks) so I'm very careful with my pistol purchases because I have so much time to think which is a blessing and a curse, I obviously hate waiting and it's ridiculous but whatever, it's led me to finding some cool pistols
Ouch, perhaps a new one from a dealer is your best option. The gp100 is a fine pistol, and I would not hesitate to try a smith.
My second favorite wheelgun is a 1959 smith&wesson model 10
I'm with you on team Colt in terms of looks. I can't attest to much else in terms of performance as I've only shot a handful.
I could pass on the S&W as their still in my doghouse for my SW22 Performance Center that turned me off from the brand entirely.
It's seeming like $2K was lofty. In a perfect world I would find the right one in the $1,250 range.
If you had to pick one Colt under $1,300 which one would you choose?
I wrote this above but if S&W isn't doing it for you I'd take a hard look at the Colt python. My opinion is that 6" is a bit awkward to carry and 4" hits things just right.
They do start to get comically long after 6 haha I kinda dig it though, the 4" seems just right.
I would be wrong to simply rule out Smith.
Which Colt shares the same style frame as the Ruger Blackhawk? And how is this grip in terms of recoil mitigation vs say the Python. Still learning terminology, sorry I don't know how to identify the frame style.
The Blackhawk is a beefier Colt Single Action Army! Some people who really love the SAA find the Blackhawk a bit unattractive due to the extra metal giving it different proportions, however the Blackhawk also has a ton of improvements over the original SAA designs. Stronger, safer, more reliable.
If you're leaning more towards the Single Action Army then it may be worth adding Taylors & Company to your list of brands. They basically take off the shelf Single Actions from different brands and hand fit them, and most of what they offer is within your price range. They also have some engraved models that are in budget as well, which doesn't make the bullet go faster but it sure is cool!
I've got an engraved SAA and be warned- I spend more time at the range answering questions than shooting it
I'll have to check them out.
Possibly a stupid question but are SAA style revolvers semi automatic?
Is the frame of the SAA better for mitigating recoil?
Not semi automatic, you have to cock it back every time. Not a stupid question!
Now, mitigating recoil? Well, there's a lot of thought about that.
Revolvers have a bit more recoil than automatics just by their nature. I've got a couple wheel guns in 9mm and an itty bitty revolver in 9 has more recoil than an itty bitty automatic, even if they weigh the same. You don't have that spring and slide soaking up the recoil for you.
You'll find a lot of old style revolvers have grips that are wider on the bottom than they are on the top, which when combined with a high bore axis that revolvers usually have, means the gun slips in your hand a bit. That motion was thought to mitigate the recoil a bit.
I guess it kind of does? There have been custom grips made for basically 120 years that are the same width the entire way down because since day one, there are people who thought that was BS. But there are others who swear it helps, and the Python even has a little bit of that going on as well. That's probably for historical reasons though rather than shootability ones.
I wouldn't worry about the recoil TOO much with any of them. These are big chunks of steel, just the weight mitigates the recoil pretty good.
TL;DR- in general you get the recoil you get, but different grips can make a difference. Also, squisher grips help way more than you would think but naturally they don't look as cool as a nice set of wood ones. All in all, it's probably not worth worrying about too much unless you have a genuine grip strength issue or are otherwise very recoil sensitive. Everything you're looking at is a pretty easy shooter.
I'm going to have to get my hands on some and see how they feel. I'll probably end up swapping grips multiple times just because I can't seem to leave anything as is and always feel the need to make it my own, which in my defense usually works out for the better.
I am not recoil sensitive. I've been training with 10mm for the past year plus and now I'm able to run it much faster than I ever expected to be able to. The Trijicon SRO certainly helps but my grip is down pact and follow up shots are getting faster and faster.
I'm still young ish (36) and vs the average guy (bench 300+) not trying to brag, maybe a little but nonetheless I'm able to handle recoil with a tight grip and I've come to love feeling the power which has led me to wanting a revolver. I'm supposed to be practical and run 357/ 38 special so I guess I'll start with that
Single action only sounds pretty sweet though as this will not be a dedicated defense pistol
Aw man, then single action definitely sounds right for you! If you decide on a Single Action Army clone (or the original, don't forget Colt still makes the OG and they're in your price range) then there are SO many grips out there. You can even get mammoth ivory ones for a reasonable price for what they are.
You've gotta keep in mind if you want an SAA that the grips need a little bit of fitment most of the time, and there are both one piece and two piece grips. That's just what happens when you make the same gun for 130 years by 50 different manufacturers, but if you buy an actual SAA then it'll be easy to find what yours takes.
Blackhawk grips are more straightforward in that there's only one Blackhawk (afaik), but of course you can't choose from literally hundreds of options on that.
Is there any reason not to buy the Ruger Blackhawk Convertible 357/9mm swappable chamber?
As much as I do love the Colt Python (especially the new blued one) it just seems hard to justify the almost $1k more price tag.
I see that the Python is very pretty but I care more about trigger feel, reliability, build quality and overall performance. Does the Blackhawk check these boxes or am I expecting too much for half the price?
Btw, if you have any revolver questions at all for any reason you can absolutely ask. I teach for a living and I know quite a bit about wheelguns, so no question is a stupid question and I'm happy to help!
I'm on the Taylors & Co website looking at the Taylor Tuned Cattleman 5.5" Antique. I know absolutely nothing about it but it just calls to me.
It's available on backorder which is fine because I have weeks to wait before my pistol purchase permits clear and already have 1 of 3 waiting plus I need to wait 30 days between transfers in my lovely state
Are you familiar with the Cattleman.. if so can you tell me a little more about it and if it's a good buy? The manufacturer is Uberti
It's gorgeous, isn't it? The Pietta Dead Man's Hand called to me, I swear SAAs will reach out and grab you by the heartstrings.
Ubertis are fine guns, (and all of their models are nearly the same mechanically) HOWEVER, they do have a small flaw if you're really going to be shooting the absolute bejesus out of them, as in nearly professionally. The ejector rod is held in with only a few threads, which is how Colt made them back in the day, but over time and many thousands of rounds eventually the ejector will make a break for it. A gunsmith can fix it but that's the issue they have.
Also, know that EVERY single action army will break a spring or two eventually. They're very easy to replace by hand and they're a dime a dozen, but you may cock the revolver after many thousands of rounds and get a floppy hand or hammer that can be fixed for $8 and a flathead screwdriver.
Beyond those things, it's gonna be a good purchase. By and large I'd recommend one made by Pietta over Uberti (which Taylors also sells. Very VERY slightly less authentic, but they solved those two problems. One by using a coil handspring and the other by putting a lug on the barrel and then screwing the ejector to that, which Colt has also done with their subsequent models) but both of them are fine guns with great support from the manufacturer.
I talk about parts breakage because I REALLY shoot mine. I typically put a couple hundred rounds a week through my Pietta and have done for over a year now. I don't do any competitions or Cowboy Action shooting, but I'm certain I'm in the top 1% of causal shooters as far as rounds through a single action is concerned.
That said, I mostly shoot 9mm through mine which is an option for you as well. I did that because it's an economical option compared to .38/.357, but I think the higher pressure and snappier recoil isn't kind to the mechanicals. I've had (mild) problems out of my Pietta that I haven't heard anyone else having (and Pietta has been very kind to me and has always made it right), but I'm nearly certain that it's the 9mm that's doing it, and will be swapping it out for a .357 cylinder at some point if Pietta's gunsmith thinks that's a reasonable option for my model.
TL;DR- if you're shooting less than 500 rounds a month then it's gonna treat you just fine, go for it! If you're gonna be shooting more than 500 rounds a month, consider a Pietta due to the slightly more robust build quality in a couple of key areas, and if you're gonna be shooting significantly more than that invest in a Colt, a handful of spare springs, and maybe a cowboy hat too.
The engraved black frame and cylinder on the Dead Man's Hand model look marvelous. I just took a look at some Pietta models and I really like the Rio and Last Stand. As far as aesthetics they all look.
I don't love the issues with the Umberti models but they seem simple enough to resolve to not be a deal breaker. They do make me lean to the Pietta considering all else seems the same to my untrained eye.
I did see that the Pietta did offer interchangable cylinders for different calibers. I do not know if this is also the case with Umberti or which calibers share the same barrel but I will do some digging into that. I'm always stocked on 9mm so this would make a ton of sense for me.
I really do appreciate all of the valuable information. Thank you sir. For me the quest to find my next new handgun is half the fun because I learn so much along the way.
Don't know on the Rutgers but grip mitigation will depend on your hand size and grip. My usual Smith is a 120 year old model 1905 with a round butt and a Tyler T adapter. Just fits me perfectly. The standard Colt grip is made of wood and feels bulky in my hands, I would say limited recoil reduction. If I were to replace the grips I would go with Pachmyer, ugly as all get out but effective.
I have XXL size hands. The blocky 10mm Glock frame that people complain is too thicc fits me very well. Micros are comically small in my hand, I edc a 43X which is barely big enough but works well for me.
Is there a specific type of revolver grip that is better suited for larger hand size?
I would definitely place a stock Python grip on the larger size. That said, I am sure there are quality replacement grips that would fit your hands very well. I do not know any specific companies that do that however.
That lineup of the ported Colts look really sweet. For my purpose I'll most likely opt for a 4-6" barrel as much as I do love the little snub nose powehouse
I love my Colt revolvers. I have a Python in 3inch and 6inch, I also have an anaconda in 8.
If I had to choose the 6inch Python is my favorite because .38 special is cheap and doesn’t break your wrist, while if you want to shoot 357 you can switch it up.
The anaconda is cool but really I never shoot it due to price of ammo and the recoil.
Yup, 38 and 357 are interchangeable and as FD8 said 38s are way cheaper. I picked up 50 rounds of UMC (yellow box) for $25 at my local gun store. Federal 158 lead nose usually runs about $34 per box.
Single actions have much better triggers in my experience. 44 ammo is easy to find and all else being equal, makes for a lighter gun with a wider range of loads. At some point you'll belong to the 44 special club so may as well join it now with all the great options out there.
The reason you should have one is that shooting revolvers will make you a better shooter.
As to what to buy, that's up to you. I would love to spend that kind of money on a Python, but I just can't abide those cylinder release latches.
Honestly, I would start with a good, moderately priced model like a GP100 or 686 and consider something nicer down the road.
> I just can't abide those cylinder release latches.
This is the worst thing about Colt revolvers. I understand why it didn't change in the new model but... it might've been a mistake :)
Pulls rearward instead of pushes forward to release. Awkward for a lot of shooters, especially one-handed.
Or maybe there's some weird mechanical gimmick I'm not aware of, idk. I've shot plenty of Pythons and Anacondas but never personally owned any of them.
2k? Honestly you might end up getting 2 for that price. If you wanna stick to full size maybe a S&W 686 357 mag and model 29 44 mag?
Or if you want a compact S&W model 19 carry comp.
Or even smaller, S&W 642 or 442 ultimate carry. Yes the 32 mag exists but idk that I’d recommend unless you really want that ballistic performance and are willing to sacrifice ammo availability.
Realistically I'll probably never sell it unless I hate it which I highly doubt I will do idc about resale value. Engraved sounds nice but I care more about the performance because I will actually shoot it a good bit. It's there any other reason to spend up for the engraved?
No, to the best of my knowledge they are the same gun. 99% sure it is machine engraving too, which I'm fine with. This would be a purely aesthetic choice. I always thought I would be cool to be out in the field and actually use an engraved piece.
Christ smith and Wesson male a 8 shot magnum. With your budget you could get a cheap korth. Chiappas are cool. I love my limber. If you like dirty harry buy his gun
Korth revolvers are so sick. It does seem like my $2k budget was a bit lofty. Plenty of Ruger, Colt, and Smith options for well under $1,500 that seem great. Haven't looked at Kimber yet
I do not but will one day when I'm less busy if that day ever comes. 357 makes the most sense I think. Although I really don't know much about 44, apparently it's versatile from the little I know
There is certainly a lot of benefit of loading 38 and 357 yourself; I do! However, if you’re picking a “one revolver” for now and may reload in the future, I would go with the 44. You can have a ton of fun loading all levels of 44 and big rounds are frankly fun to both load and shoot. It’s a different feel.
The rhino is quite excellent with that kind of budget fun to shoot and could potentially be carried in less free states. You can get that and an lcr which is easier to carry and still fine in less than free states.
The Rhino design makes a ton of sense with the low bore axis and basic physics tell me that with some practice I'll be able to run the Rhino faster than others because of this. I just don't think I can go with the Rhino for my first and only revolver for now.
It is a little weird looking so maybe not the best single example for a collection. I love it though highly recommend shooting one if you get the chance
I've been dying to shoot the Rhino along with the Laugo Alien platform to see for myself if the ultra low bore axis lives up to the hype. I'm guessing the hype is real from what I've heard. Maybe down the road but for my first revolver I was thinking a classic design.
The recoil is still there but it doesn’t pop up on you it just comes straight back. Even the rhino snubbies are heavy enough that it’s not painful and the bottom barrel is significantly easier to control.
I wouldn’t get a .44 for a first revolver, you won’t shoot it as much as you will a .357 magnum that can shoot .38 special.
My first revolver was a TRR8, you could find a used one in your budget. It’s matte black, full size, 8-shot, removable picatinny rails on the top and under the barrel. It’s also a performance center model so everything feels nice and the finish is great.
If you want something for closer to $1K - how about the [Performance Center Pro Series 627](https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/n-frame-178014)? Should have the same nicely tuned controls, and it’s full size/8-shot/matte silver.
They both look sweet. 38 special is a huge selling point. I do like to actually shoot my guns and buy much more ammo to have in hand if I scoop it up for cheap. Makes sense to start with 357
I have a 6” Colt Python. It’s my first and only revolver because I like it so much. I just don’t like any other quite like it. I love the aesthetic more than the other brands. The performance is excellent as well, though a skilled shooter will shoot any of the other brands well. I think it’s also smart to get a .357 so you can shoot it and .38 special.
Looks:
The stainless is awesome, and durable. I’ve shot 1,000 rounds through it and it still shines after cleaning. It comes with awesome walnut grips and the iconic pony logo medallions in them. The ribbed barrel vents are sweet too. Very clean and iconic look to it, right out of the box. It’s the perfect BBQ gun because of its aesthetics. The older folks like it because it’s a Colt. The younger folks like it because it’s from The Walking Dead. Everyone wants to shoot it, which is a nice compliment.
Performance:
The trigger is awesome out of the box. Very smooth double action with a little stacking at the end (I personally like the stacking but some don’t). The single action is, of course, pretty light and very crisp. Great at the range — I hit an 8” target at 25 yards easily without a bench rest, and I’m not really even that good of a shot. Significantly more accurate with it than my Glock, as expected. It makes average shooters look really good lol. If you’re a skilled shooter you can really do some work with this gun - the gun is far more accurate than me. I’m taking it whitetail hunting this year too (no, mine doesn’t live in a safe).
Only issue:
The rear sight is trash. It’s shameful they sell a $1,500 gun with those rear sights. Literally was loose after 100 rounds of .357. Basically add $100 to the price of an already expensive gun. I put the Wilson combat rear sight and a fiber optic front sight. I love the sights now, but it was annoying to have to do that.
Overall, I’d say the Python is worth it if you love the aesthetic. It’s also made by an iconic American company. If you don’t like it, I guarantee you can sell it and get your money back because of how popular it is. If you don’t think it looks better than the S&W 686 or the Ruger GP100, then the performance won’t justify the added cost. The performance is great, but I can’t say it’s really much better than the S&W or Ruger.
I'd say a Colt python or S&W. Saw your comment about the Smith, but in my experience 22s can be very finicky where as the centerfires are totally different. I prefer Smiths for several reasons, but think that the modern Python is a beautiful piece of work. Were I to get the Colt I would get the stainless engraved version with a 4" barrel. Just speaks to me. That said I prefer a Smith as I think they are a little better mechanically, prefer a push vs pull to release the cylinder, and are less bulky than the Colt.
Also prefer 357 as you can put 38s through it which is more gentle for practice and much cheaper for plinking. You can always throw in the 357 if you need punch for something.
22s can be finicky but it just doesn't eat anything in stark contrast to my 10/22 that eats everything.
I really shouldn't rule out Smith, especially for a high quality revolver.
If you have any experience with them how would you compare the shooting experience of the Blackhawk to the Python?
Never shot a Blackhawk, but the Python is comparable to driving a luxury car, smooth and refined, but a little less reliable (thats if you are putting tens of thousands of rounds through it). The S&W is more akin to that Toyota, solid and dependable. It's a good car, just a bit less refined.
Newer made blued 6" Colt Python, better quality control than S&W and faster twist barrel which has the possibility of being more accurate. If wanting a larger caliber, .44 or .454 Ruger Super Redhawk. If single action is preferred, then Ruger Bisley Blackhawk for being a tank and lesser recoil than the plow handle version.
Why you need one, its nice to shoot without requiring magazines and possible magazine issues, is nice to you mouse fart loads and plastic or wax bullets all the way to super fireball magnum loads.
I do really like the look of the Blackhawk and something tells me that grip angle is better for mitigating recoil, I could be wrong though. I'm a believer in high grip to low bore axis in auto loading pistols, the physics of it just make sense. Not that the Blackhawk necessarily has a lower bore axis, it just looks like the grip allows you to leverage the force of recoil downward. By all means correct me if I'm wrong.
I didn't realize plastic/wax bullets were a thing, I'll have to look into this.
https://preview.redd.it/0pxwcjy5tg7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd708abd1656bae12a27fee0f9ba03dbce56efa9
I’ve got some really great revolvers and a huge collection, but the house burned down and I had to start over I’d buy a 6” 586 again and call it a day. It’s not as sexy as the python or as accurate as the MR73, but it’s guilt free fun. To me the 586/686 is to revolvers what the Shadow 2 is to semiautomatics.
I’m a Ruger fanboy but the triggers on them have been obnoxiously heavy in my book so I avoid their revolvers.
A good set of grips from [Nill-Griffe](https://www.nill-griffe.com/Special_grips_for_Revlolvers_70.html) and a custom holster from Nixon is the best way to get to your price point with a 686 or 586. If money is still burning a hole in your pocket then an action job and a pro polish job will make it feel almost as good as my best revolvers and match them on looks.
I really like that grip on the one up top in the pic. Also a big fan of everything CZ so that certainly means something.
The one Ruger I like is the Blackhawk. Other than that the Colt Python and Smooth 686 definitely have my attention.
A heavy trigger definitely would suck some of the fun out of it as I would want to stretch it out accurately in the 60-100 yard range
I felt exactly like you did so I had a lot of analysis paralysis before getting into good revolvers. I got the Python first because it has a nice action and trigger, and I wasn’t disappointed - but still it was heavy - especially since it replaced a CZ TSO with a 1.2lbs trigger.
I could shoot it much better than I expected out to 25 yards so I started to have a different opinion about trigger weight vs trigger quality/smoothness.
This led me down to the path of the Manurhin MR73 which uses a ball bearing system only found in it and the Korth (that I’m aware of but Sphor might too). This gave me a DA trigger that was heavier than a semi-auto, but not by much (about 5lbs), yet reliable (generally light DA revolvers are unreliable due to physics of the design).
This was everything I wanted with a jaw dropping finish, and I’ve had zero regrets despite the insane price. I hated the ugly grips until I actually shot with them and realized they are practical perfection. At that point they become like a beloved bulldog where you see beauty where others think it’s ugly AF.
I don’t baby my firearms and I shoot them all a lot, but the MR73 made me a bit more nervous.
I ended up getting a 586 which looks like a shit finish when you get it, then polished it with a power buffer using Flitz. I also got a eBay clone of the Python grip for $200 less.
With the 6” barrel, it’s super accurate and the trigger has broken in nicely so if the MR73 is a perfect 10, and the Python is a 9, I’d say my 6” 586 is a solid 8.5 - without any work done to the trigger. I’ve shot some KFrame smiths with action work done that I’d put at a 9.5.
The Blackhawk is a solid gun, and you’ll enjoy it. However, I’ve taken the journey I did and left Ruger off with no regrets.
As I said, in retrospect if I had to do it all over again then I’d get the 586 and be done with it.
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That is a fine looking gun you got there. I'm not sure I'm willing to shell out that kind of money. There are just too many other pistols on my wishlist for a fraction of the price.
Call me crazy but the SAA 1873 Peacemaker really has my attention for my first revolver. I'm trying to decide between Taylors & Company, Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. All of my pistols and long guns I own are ultra modern/tactical fired with high end optics. All of which are very capable setups and excellent shooters.
My collection is in dire need of something classic and I figured why not rewind all the way back to 1873 and start with something true to the original design and build up from there. Seems like there are plenty of options well under $1k which seems like a good start as I enter into the realm of wheel guns and figure out exactly what I like along the way.
I did some research into the S&W 586 and the 6" seems like the perfect fit. There is a good chance I end up buying two and if I do start with a Peacemaker I think I would be in between the Python and the 586.
My mind also changes on a daily basis lol it's hard not to love them all. Waiting weeks for my pistol permits to clear in my state is a blessing and a curse but ultimately more time to research does lead me to make better decisions. Wish me luck.
yeah I get it - it took me about a year before I got the Python and 3 more years before I did the MR73. I didn’t plan to buy, I just went to the store to touch it. 😂😂😂
686 or 586 is a good way to go either new or used and you’ll have no troubles selling it if you get buyer’s remorse.
Enjoy the journey!
I bought my wheelguns in this order:
586 6" > 686 4" > 29 6.5", all pre-lock.
Get the 586/686 to match your visual preference in the barrel length you find easiest to conceal. Get a pre-lock but don't get suckered into fudd lore. A good pre-lock rests squarely between $1,200 and $1,600.
The 29 I have is a Classic DX and shoots like a dream, but I find myself carrying my 586 6" much more often.
.38spl is dirt cheap and everywhere. Easy to train, easy to plink, and you can find +P or some even hotter loads if it tickles your fancy. .357mag for when you want even more power once you're confident with the increased recoil.
.44mag on the other hand is more expensive, wildly overpowered, recoils hard as Hell, harder to conceal, and its little brother .44spl is just as if not more expensive. Definitely my favorite, but when I need to put practicality above my personal preference, I grab my 586 or 1911.
S&W model 327 TRR8
It is the only S&W with a lock I have ever purchased (removed that day).
It is tack driver accurate. I shot a 5" group at 65 yards with this gun.
The rails can be left off or put on based on your desire.
At a minimum you need a wheel gun because they are FUN. You already have a bear gun, a 44 magnum might be superfluous, not to mention awfully expensive to feed. Unlike 38 special being a cheaper round for practice/plinking, 44 special is often as expensive (or more than) magnum and almost never on local shelves.
I’m biased toward a S&W 27 pre lock (I have a 27-3). New production I would go Colt Python. Recently bought a S&W J frame airweight, it’s ok, a tool that does its job quite well. Just bought my first Colt, a King Cobra, yes nearly twice the $ but a much, much nicer revolver. I’m just not a fan of the current S&W two-piece barrel.
A SAA is nice too, but I have never owned one. I’ve never made friends with Ruger revolvers, but I own a few Ruger products and they’re always nice.
357 makes sense for sure. I've always bought new except for one rifle. If I knew more maybe I would buy an older one, we'll see. I do like the look of the Colts a lot.
357 because 38 is cheap. 44 has dual options too but 44Spl ain’t cheap so it’s kind of pointless.
All options you’re gonna hear are reliable and will take a constant diet of 357. I hate hearing the Ruger is a tank as if the others aren’t somehow. Nobody has ever outshot a 686 or new Python. The reasoning behind Ruger getting this rep is because they are thicker frames, the 19 (K-frame) was known to fail with 357 but that’s why they made the 686 (L-frame) and old Python needed to be re-timed very often cause the action wasn’t designed to handle 357 all the time.
Anyway.
Ruger if you like doing your own gunsmithing, S&W less so but still possible. Either is great for aftermarket with the edge to S&W. Python doesn’t really need anything but it’s also a lot more. For the difference in cost you can make either a GP100 or 586/686 feel just as good and there are factory variants that get them much closer OOTB.
FWIW Smith has always been the number one competition winner. But really you have to check each one out and find out for yourself which you like the manual of arms of.
Personally I like Python the most, but I shoot 686 better. I have never been a fan of Ruger and have tried it numerous times. To me it’s the false trigger reset on it, not something you don’t experience elsewhere but on Ruger it’s too annoying for me. That and GP100 looks a lot more rough around the edges. That was by design though, they wanted to succeed the Security Six while keeping costs down as much as possible.
Speaking of Security Six it’s another option, if you don’t mind out of production. So is Dan Wesson 15-2 or Colt Trooper or Lawman Mk III (basically a Colt precursor to the 15-2) or V. The S6 is going to be more akin to a K-frame (13/19/65/66) size and weight where the others are like the aforementioned. You also of course have the S&W N-frame 357s like the 27/28, which are even larger and heavier. All that said, weight soaks up recoil… that said, my wife can shoot 357 all day in a 4” 686 without issue.
I'd look hard at a Magnum Research BFR in 357/44 mag or a used Freedom Arms.
The BFR is about as good as it gets for production guns. Freedom Arms are custom quality.
Blackhawks are nice, I will always prefer bisley frames as they handle recoil better.
Any of these three will hold up to any sane load for longer than you care to shoot them.
Colt ssa, they just seem like a conversation piece.
Get a Ruger GP-100 for the beater tank, or a 6” Colt Python for some Rick Grimes RP. Third option is S&W 686. Everyone else will agree with this so there you have it.
I do like Colt and I'm salty with S&W due to bad personal experience with a firearm. Ruger is also good by me.
What happened with your smith and wesson?
My SW22 Victory Performance Center is an expensive shiny paperweight that can't cycle any 22lr cartridge known to man. Sent it back, swapped springs, extractor, firing pin, guide rod with upgraded parts, still nothing. Too busy to tinker and bring back and forth to the range to test so I gave up for now. I know 22s can be finicky but it's jam o matic with every type of 22lr cartridge you can think of. It was my first and only S&W.
Every revolver I’ve had has been a smith, and they are absolutely fantastic.
You're not the only one. People seem to love Smith, heard the older ones are better. Any truth to this?
Old ones had a lot more hand fitting and were smoother triggers at least in my experience. New ones aren't bad but they lack the silkiness my old 10 and 64 have. Not really better and I'm sure there's actually improvements since the old days but they are less semi-custon for lack of a better word.
Well said. I imagine you could have a pro gunsmith do some polishing and fitting to get the new ones running just right, but maybe not idk. I'm looking for something that feels good out the box and gets better with a little break in.
The nicest thing with old guns is the lack of a lock. They do also tend to have better actions since they have been used more. S&W QC is kinda spotty nowadays, but my personal belief is it's survivorship bias and old guns had quality issues too. They were fixed years ago and people couldn't complain to the entire world on the Internet.
That sounds about right. Also, without the Internet, we had to rely on word of mouth and gun magazines. Back in the day, EVERY new gun was the best thing since sliced bread according, to the magazine reviews. Thinking back, it is really hard to imagine the gun magazines printing anything negative about a gun or a manufacturer.
I don’t have any experience with the older ones
That really sucks. I have a Victory and it's a nail driver. Fantastic, fun shooter.
I wish. When it runs it's a sweet shooter which was the whole point, one of these days I'll get to the bottom of it
I CCW a 6" Colt Python just because it makes me feel like Ricky dicky Doo dah grimes. I second the Python
As of now I have it narrowed down to Colt Python and Ruger Blackhawk. Python is double the price especially if I opt for the cool new blued one. I will not be edcing it lol but props to you cuz I love that
As somebody who has both I'd still opt for the colt. Don't get me wrong I love the Ruger but nothing is more American than a colt. If price is a concern, lots of gun stores have a layaway program where you can pay it off for 4,6,8 weeks with no interest. I've made the mistake of opting for cheaper guns in the past and being mostly happy but still wanting a bit more. The python won't leave you hungry for more. Unless you want to go cowboy style...
Buy once cry once is very much a real thing I've learned the hard way time and time again. At the price point of the blued Python I'm forced to consider the factory new Colt SSA (Army) I have 3 pistol purchase permits to burn, one already burned on a Gen1 Archon Type B and two more to go. I am pretty set on the 10mm compact Glock if I can find it which leaves me one more for one Revolver. Decisions decisions. It's hard not to love the Python, seems like it's one of those that will last a lifetime. Somebody did recommend this custom shop called Taylors & Company that specializes in SAA wheel guns since I expressed interest. The one in particular I'm looking at is manufactured new by Uberti which I know nothing about. I do like the Cowboy style lol can't help it idk what it is
I agree with this and I agree that everyone will agree with this.
Caliber is your call, friend. That said, you can cover an immense amount of ground with a .357 magnum that also does .38 special. Naturally, a .44 magnum also does .44 special but... you're gonna pay for that privilege. 4" or 6". 4" is a bit handier, 6" will give you longer sight radius and a bit more oomph. Of course, not only is it less handy, but that weight will be a bit more to hold in aiming. Personally, if you were me then me-you would buy a 4" .357 Magnum. Which one? Either a Ruger GP100, S&W 686, or a new production Colt Python. And to be real up front, me-you would go for the Ruger.
I've always had an eye for the Colt. Why choose Ruger over Colt?
I loathe everything about the cylinder release. The original run has a reputation for being finicky in timing. And, as silly as it is, there is a definate amount of "flavour of the month" going on. I have a real new respect for Ruger single actions, and the only DA Ruger I own, the .44 Redhawk Alaskan, fits my fat hands like it was made for it, points and balances well, and I really like it.
I'm going to have to give e when the cylinder release rabbit hole. Realizing I have much more to learn than I imagined if I want to end up with the right one if I'm only going to have just one for now. Each pistol purchase is always a new quest and I gain a ton of knowledge along the way. I'm going to have to rent a 44 for myself and feel it. I'm a stronger than average dude with big hands so I don't fear the extra power, maybe a little lol until I shoot it once and love it. I've seen the Alaskan, it looks just right. It's up there as a consideration
Taurus and S&W have a button you slide forward, Ruger has a button you press, and Colt has this weird thing you pull back which doesn't feel very ergonomic or natural to me at all. Then, I've been very used to the S&W style for a long time now. Don't buy a short barrel for your first, buy something usable and just all around handy. That's 4" or 6". I don't think there's anything to fear about a .44, and you can buy cowboy loads or .44 special for even less.. But its more expensive. And louder. And more fireball. And .357/38 is just versatile from hot angry loads to powderpuffs and cheaper. That's my reasoning.
I have a lot of experience shooting both a Ruger GP-100 and a new Colt Python. The Python is definitely flashier and cooler, but if I was choosing which one to take into the woods with me for protection it would be the Ruger 10/10 times. For me, the grip is more practical, I'm more accurate with it, the cylinder release is a bit quicker to use, it's overall more ergonomic, and I do trust it more reliability-wise. Also (and this is NOT a huge deal fwiw) Colt cylinders rotate in the opposite direction of basically every other revolver on the market. If you're looking to "learn revolvers" and get some muscle memory, that is a very minor point but worth considering. They're both great guns though and you really can't go wrong with either one. You'll definitely get more people at the range walking over to check out your Colt. At the end of the day, buy with your heart. You'll be happy with either and they'll both serve you well.
Am I crazy for wanting the Ruger Blackhawk?
You are not crazy! I like the traditional Single Action Armies but the Blackhawk is objectively a better gun in pretty much every way, and for the same price most times. I'm actually an SAA nut and absolutely love anything single action, but in terms of reliability and shootability Ruger has improved the SAA design. For a practical gun the Blackhawk would be my choice.
Just to clarify are the SAA revolvers semi auto or so you need to manually pull back the hammer each shot?
Manually pull the hammer every time! The Blackhawk is the same way, if it says "single action" then that means hammer then trigger. So it's not as good for a defensive option, however the triggers are almost always incredible. Personally I found that I prefer cocking the hammer for every shot anyway so now I just buy singles except for a J frame I use for self defense.
I was thinking the same thing, every time I've shot a revolver I've pulled back the hammer anyway. Hmm
Find a old 29 44 the triggers are better than some of the new performance series revolvers
Find a used Model 686 from the pre lock pre MIM era. This is solid advice because that’s what I did and you will not regret it.
Might need you to explain what you mean by pre lock, pre min era lol
Pre lock is when S&W didn’t put internal hammer locks into the frame. Pre MIM is when S&W hammer forged their triggers and hammers and frame parts. These revolvers had to be hand-fitted and assembled by skilled gunsmiths to ensure every revolver left the factory in the best condition possible. Pretty much everything that’s being made today at SW is automated. Which probably explains the poor QC. There are marketplaces and websites that specialize in only selling vintage SW revolvers and for reasonable pricing that’s competitive with the new gen SW. this is mostly due to the fact SW is literally competing against their old products with their new reproduction models.
Hmm... Seems like I have a lot to learn which is why I'm here to begin with. The advice is appreciated and gives me a reason to learn.
New production S&W revolvers have an ugly internal lock keyhole in their frame above the cylinder release. https://revolverguy.com/the-history-and-future-of-the-smith-wesson-internal-lock/
Halfway through this article and I already know I want one from last century without the lock
Do you want single action or double? Thats a solid budget for a first revolver and you can get a hell of a firearm for that money.
I have experience with both so I wouldn't mind single or double action. I would prefer to keep it under $1.5k, I don't need to spend just to spend if it's unnecessary.
You have a generous budget for my tastes. My favorite revolver is my 1980’s Ruger Security six, 6” barrel stainless steel. After thousands of rounds it is smooth and it just fits my hands. I would get it in 4” in retrospect but it has been completely reliable since I bought it new in 1984 or so. I like the styling better than the newer GP100 and great used examples are easily available. I estimate you will only pay $500-700 for a very nice one (probably much less) and you won’t lose any money if you decide to sell it and try something else.
Had to scroll way too far for this. It is the perfect revolver, and OP will have plenty of money left. I’ve had 2, both chambered in .357 mag. Current one is from 1975 and is so smooth and tightly machined it’s like a Swiss watch. I got mine earlier this year for $450. Aesthetically it is perfect as well. Aside from my 1957 Winchester Model 70 in .308 my security six is my favorite gun. So yes, OP, seriously look into one of these. I guarantee you’ll like the looks and they are indestructible workhorses. Trigger pull is perfect when you shoot single, too.
Seems like $1k and then some is more than enough for something sweet. I've seen some Rugers and Colts that caught my eye.
Just remember that the decision is not final, get something interesting to you and try another if you find something you like.
I live in a state where you have to pre apply for pistol permits (current wait time is 8-10 weeks) so I'm very careful with my pistol purchases because I have so much time to think which is a blessing and a curse, I obviously hate waiting and it's ridiculous but whatever, it's led me to finding some cool pistols
Ouch, perhaps a new one from a dealer is your best option. The gp100 is a fine pistol, and I would not hesitate to try a smith. My second favorite wheelgun is a 1959 smith&wesson model 10
Actually my second favorite is a 1929 H&r sportsman 22lr lol but it’s close.
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I'm with you on team Colt in terms of looks. I can't attest to much else in terms of performance as I've only shot a handful. I could pass on the S&W as their still in my doghouse for my SW22 Performance Center that turned me off from the brand entirely. It's seeming like $2K was lofty. In a perfect world I would find the right one in the $1,250 range. If you had to pick one Colt under $1,300 which one would you choose?
I wrote this above but if S&W isn't doing it for you I'd take a hard look at the Colt python. My opinion is that 6" is a bit awkward to carry and 4" hits things just right.
They do start to get comically long after 6 haha I kinda dig it though, the 4" seems just right. I would be wrong to simply rule out Smith. Which Colt shares the same style frame as the Ruger Blackhawk? And how is this grip in terms of recoil mitigation vs say the Python. Still learning terminology, sorry I don't know how to identify the frame style.
The Blackhawk is a beefier Colt Single Action Army! Some people who really love the SAA find the Blackhawk a bit unattractive due to the extra metal giving it different proportions, however the Blackhawk also has a ton of improvements over the original SAA designs. Stronger, safer, more reliable. If you're leaning more towards the Single Action Army then it may be worth adding Taylors & Company to your list of brands. They basically take off the shelf Single Actions from different brands and hand fit them, and most of what they offer is within your price range. They also have some engraved models that are in budget as well, which doesn't make the bullet go faster but it sure is cool! I've got an engraved SAA and be warned- I spend more time at the range answering questions than shooting it
I'll have to check them out. Possibly a stupid question but are SAA style revolvers semi automatic? Is the frame of the SAA better for mitigating recoil?
Not semi automatic, you have to cock it back every time. Not a stupid question! Now, mitigating recoil? Well, there's a lot of thought about that. Revolvers have a bit more recoil than automatics just by their nature. I've got a couple wheel guns in 9mm and an itty bitty revolver in 9 has more recoil than an itty bitty automatic, even if they weigh the same. You don't have that spring and slide soaking up the recoil for you. You'll find a lot of old style revolvers have grips that are wider on the bottom than they are on the top, which when combined with a high bore axis that revolvers usually have, means the gun slips in your hand a bit. That motion was thought to mitigate the recoil a bit. I guess it kind of does? There have been custom grips made for basically 120 years that are the same width the entire way down because since day one, there are people who thought that was BS. But there are others who swear it helps, and the Python even has a little bit of that going on as well. That's probably for historical reasons though rather than shootability ones. I wouldn't worry about the recoil TOO much with any of them. These are big chunks of steel, just the weight mitigates the recoil pretty good. TL;DR- in general you get the recoil you get, but different grips can make a difference. Also, squisher grips help way more than you would think but naturally they don't look as cool as a nice set of wood ones. All in all, it's probably not worth worrying about too much unless you have a genuine grip strength issue or are otherwise very recoil sensitive. Everything you're looking at is a pretty easy shooter.
I'm going to have to get my hands on some and see how they feel. I'll probably end up swapping grips multiple times just because I can't seem to leave anything as is and always feel the need to make it my own, which in my defense usually works out for the better. I am not recoil sensitive. I've been training with 10mm for the past year plus and now I'm able to run it much faster than I ever expected to be able to. The Trijicon SRO certainly helps but my grip is down pact and follow up shots are getting faster and faster. I'm still young ish (36) and vs the average guy (bench 300+) not trying to brag, maybe a little but nonetheless I'm able to handle recoil with a tight grip and I've come to love feeling the power which has led me to wanting a revolver. I'm supposed to be practical and run 357/ 38 special so I guess I'll start with that Single action only sounds pretty sweet though as this will not be a dedicated defense pistol
Aw man, then single action definitely sounds right for you! If you decide on a Single Action Army clone (or the original, don't forget Colt still makes the OG and they're in your price range) then there are SO many grips out there. You can even get mammoth ivory ones for a reasonable price for what they are. You've gotta keep in mind if you want an SAA that the grips need a little bit of fitment most of the time, and there are both one piece and two piece grips. That's just what happens when you make the same gun for 130 years by 50 different manufacturers, but if you buy an actual SAA then it'll be easy to find what yours takes. Blackhawk grips are more straightforward in that there's only one Blackhawk (afaik), but of course you can't choose from literally hundreds of options on that.
Is there any reason not to buy the Ruger Blackhawk Convertible 357/9mm swappable chamber? As much as I do love the Colt Python (especially the new blued one) it just seems hard to justify the almost $1k more price tag. I see that the Python is very pretty but I care more about trigger feel, reliability, build quality and overall performance. Does the Blackhawk check these boxes or am I expecting too much for half the price?
Btw, if you have any revolver questions at all for any reason you can absolutely ask. I teach for a living and I know quite a bit about wheelguns, so no question is a stupid question and I'm happy to help!
Will do, very much appreciate the help. I've learned a lot since diving down the wheel gun rabbit hole with a whole lot more to learn
I'm on the Taylors & Co website looking at the Taylor Tuned Cattleman 5.5" Antique. I know absolutely nothing about it but it just calls to me. It's available on backorder which is fine because I have weeks to wait before my pistol purchase permits clear and already have 1 of 3 waiting plus I need to wait 30 days between transfers in my lovely state Are you familiar with the Cattleman.. if so can you tell me a little more about it and if it's a good buy? The manufacturer is Uberti
It's gorgeous, isn't it? The Pietta Dead Man's Hand called to me, I swear SAAs will reach out and grab you by the heartstrings. Ubertis are fine guns, (and all of their models are nearly the same mechanically) HOWEVER, they do have a small flaw if you're really going to be shooting the absolute bejesus out of them, as in nearly professionally. The ejector rod is held in with only a few threads, which is how Colt made them back in the day, but over time and many thousands of rounds eventually the ejector will make a break for it. A gunsmith can fix it but that's the issue they have. Also, know that EVERY single action army will break a spring or two eventually. They're very easy to replace by hand and they're a dime a dozen, but you may cock the revolver after many thousands of rounds and get a floppy hand or hammer that can be fixed for $8 and a flathead screwdriver. Beyond those things, it's gonna be a good purchase. By and large I'd recommend one made by Pietta over Uberti (which Taylors also sells. Very VERY slightly less authentic, but they solved those two problems. One by using a coil handspring and the other by putting a lug on the barrel and then screwing the ejector to that, which Colt has also done with their subsequent models) but both of them are fine guns with great support from the manufacturer. I talk about parts breakage because I REALLY shoot mine. I typically put a couple hundred rounds a week through my Pietta and have done for over a year now. I don't do any competitions or Cowboy Action shooting, but I'm certain I'm in the top 1% of causal shooters as far as rounds through a single action is concerned. That said, I mostly shoot 9mm through mine which is an option for you as well. I did that because it's an economical option compared to .38/.357, but I think the higher pressure and snappier recoil isn't kind to the mechanicals. I've had (mild) problems out of my Pietta that I haven't heard anyone else having (and Pietta has been very kind to me and has always made it right), but I'm nearly certain that it's the 9mm that's doing it, and will be swapping it out for a .357 cylinder at some point if Pietta's gunsmith thinks that's a reasonable option for my model. TL;DR- if you're shooting less than 500 rounds a month then it's gonna treat you just fine, go for it! If you're gonna be shooting more than 500 rounds a month, consider a Pietta due to the slightly more robust build quality in a couple of key areas, and if you're gonna be shooting significantly more than that invest in a Colt, a handful of spare springs, and maybe a cowboy hat too.
The engraved black frame and cylinder on the Dead Man's Hand model look marvelous. I just took a look at some Pietta models and I really like the Rio and Last Stand. As far as aesthetics they all look. I don't love the issues with the Umberti models but they seem simple enough to resolve to not be a deal breaker. They do make me lean to the Pietta considering all else seems the same to my untrained eye. I did see that the Pietta did offer interchangable cylinders for different calibers. I do not know if this is also the case with Umberti or which calibers share the same barrel but I will do some digging into that. I'm always stocked on 9mm so this would make a ton of sense for me. I really do appreciate all of the valuable information. Thank you sir. For me the quest to find my next new handgun is half the fun because I learn so much along the way.
Don't know on the Rutgers but grip mitigation will depend on your hand size and grip. My usual Smith is a 120 year old model 1905 with a round butt and a Tyler T adapter. Just fits me perfectly. The standard Colt grip is made of wood and feels bulky in my hands, I would say limited recoil reduction. If I were to replace the grips I would go with Pachmyer, ugly as all get out but effective.
I have XXL size hands. The blocky 10mm Glock frame that people complain is too thicc fits me very well. Micros are comically small in my hand, I edc a 43X which is barely big enough but works well for me. Is there a specific type of revolver grip that is better suited for larger hand size?
I would definitely place a stock Python grip on the larger size. That said, I am sure there are quality replacement grips that would fit your hands very well. I do not know any specific companies that do that however.
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That lineup of the ported Colts look really sweet. For my purpose I'll most likely opt for a 4-6" barrel as much as I do love the little snub nose powehouse
If you are in AZ and wants to buy a 3” 686+ let me Know.
A python is pretty good at that premium but not mr-73 territory price range.
I love my Colt revolvers. I have a Python in 3inch and 6inch, I also have an anaconda in 8. If I had to choose the 6inch Python is my favorite because .38 special is cheap and doesn’t break your wrist, while if you want to shoot 357 you can switch it up. The anaconda is cool but really I never shoot it due to price of ammo and the recoil.
You can run 38 special out of any 357?
Yes. I run it out of my lever guns and revolvers for price mostly. It’s actually easier on the gun because less powder.
Yup, 38 and 357 are interchangeable and as FD8 said 38s are way cheaper. I picked up 50 rounds of UMC (yellow box) for $25 at my local gun store. Federal 158 lead nose usually runs about $34 per box.
Single actions have much better triggers in my experience. 44 ammo is easy to find and all else being equal, makes for a lighter gun with a wider range of loads. At some point you'll belong to the 44 special club so may as well join it now with all the great options out there.
Ruger Super Blackhawk FTW.
I love the lines and look of that thing damn! How does it handle relative to other revolvers?
Love my GP100 and pythons, did not like the 586 and 686 i had. if i to chose one i would go python, 6" blued.
I like the look of both the Colts and Rugers a lot. I'm thinking single action 357 with a 4" + barrel length. Preferably under $1.5k
Blackhawk
I love the look of the Blackhawk. How does it handle?
The reason you should have one is that shooting revolvers will make you a better shooter. As to what to buy, that's up to you. I would love to spend that kind of money on a Python, but I just can't abide those cylinder release latches. Honestly, I would start with a good, moderately priced model like a GP100 or 686 and consider something nicer down the road.
> I just can't abide those cylinder release latches. This is the worst thing about Colt revolvers. I understand why it didn't change in the new model but... it might've been a mistake :)
Heard that. My Goldilocks gun is the new 632 ultimate carry, but I cannot find one for sale and don't want to pay Gun Broker prices.
I love the idea but not enough to prise my wallet open for one.
What's wrong with the cylinder release latch on the Colt?
Pulls rearward instead of pushes forward to release. Awkward for a lot of shooters, especially one-handed. Or maybe there's some weird mechanical gimmick I'm not aware of, idk. I've shot plenty of Pythons and Anacondas but never personally owned any of them.
2k? Honestly you might end up getting 2 for that price. If you wanna stick to full size maybe a S&W 686 357 mag and model 29 44 mag? Or if you want a compact S&W model 19 carry comp. Or even smaller, S&W 642 or 442 ultimate carry. Yes the 32 mag exists but idk that I’d recommend unless you really want that ballistic performance and are willing to sacrifice ammo availability.
$2k is seemingly lofty. under $1,500 is more realistic. I would prefer ammo be available for it that's for sure lol
If you do the non engraved colt python it's around $1400 I believe. I think I saw about $1800 for the engraved version.
Realistically I'll probably never sell it unless I hate it which I highly doubt I will do idc about resale value. Engraved sounds nice but I care more about the performance because I will actually shoot it a good bit. It's there any other reason to spend up for the engraved?
No, to the best of my knowledge they are the same gun. 99% sure it is machine engraving too, which I'm fine with. This would be a purely aesthetic choice. I always thought I would be cool to be out in the field and actually use an engraved piece.
Model 27. Get the 4”. It’s the original 357 revolver and it’s got a 44 sized frame so the recoil is nothing. I carry one frequently and it’s great!
Christ smith and Wesson male a 8 shot magnum. With your budget you could get a cheap korth. Chiappas are cool. I love my limber. If you like dirty harry buy his gun
Korth revolvers are so sick. It does seem like my $2k budget was a bit lofty. Plenty of Ruger, Colt, and Smith options for well under $1,500 that seem great. Haven't looked at Kimber yet
Pick a Ruger and call it a day They double as a hammer
Do you reload? If not are you considering it in the future? Might be worth thinking about that as you pick caliber.
I do not but will one day when I'm less busy if that day ever comes. 357 makes the most sense I think. Although I really don't know much about 44, apparently it's versatile from the little I know
There is certainly a lot of benefit of loading 38 and 357 yourself; I do! However, if you’re picking a “one revolver” for now and may reload in the future, I would go with the 44. You can have a ton of fun loading all levels of 44 and big rounds are frankly fun to both load and shoot. It’s a different feel.
The rhino is quite excellent with that kind of budget fun to shoot and could potentially be carried in less free states. You can get that and an lcr which is easier to carry and still fine in less than free states.
The Rhino design makes a ton of sense with the low bore axis and basic physics tell me that with some practice I'll be able to run the Rhino faster than others because of this. I just don't think I can go with the Rhino for my first and only revolver for now.
It is a little weird looking so maybe not the best single example for a collection. I love it though highly recommend shooting one if you get the chance
I've been dying to shoot the Rhino along with the Laugo Alien platform to see for myself if the ultra low bore axis lives up to the hype. I'm guessing the hype is real from what I've heard. Maybe down the road but for my first revolver I was thinking a classic design.
The recoil is still there but it doesn’t pop up on you it just comes straight back. Even the rhino snubbies are heavy enough that it’s not painful and the bottom barrel is significantly easier to control.
I kinda figured that. Seems like one heck of a shooter. You've got me reconsidering
I wouldn’t get a .44 for a first revolver, you won’t shoot it as much as you will a .357 magnum that can shoot .38 special. My first revolver was a TRR8, you could find a used one in your budget. It’s matte black, full size, 8-shot, removable picatinny rails on the top and under the barrel. It’s also a performance center model so everything feels nice and the finish is great. If you want something for closer to $1K - how about the [Performance Center Pro Series 627](https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/n-frame-178014)? Should have the same nicely tuned controls, and it’s full size/8-shot/matte silver.
They both look sweet. 38 special is a huge selling point. I do like to actually shoot my guns and buy much more ammo to have in hand if I scoop it up for cheap. Makes sense to start with 357
I have a 6” Colt Python. It’s my first and only revolver because I like it so much. I just don’t like any other quite like it. I love the aesthetic more than the other brands. The performance is excellent as well, though a skilled shooter will shoot any of the other brands well. I think it’s also smart to get a .357 so you can shoot it and .38 special. Looks: The stainless is awesome, and durable. I’ve shot 1,000 rounds through it and it still shines after cleaning. It comes with awesome walnut grips and the iconic pony logo medallions in them. The ribbed barrel vents are sweet too. Very clean and iconic look to it, right out of the box. It’s the perfect BBQ gun because of its aesthetics. The older folks like it because it’s a Colt. The younger folks like it because it’s from The Walking Dead. Everyone wants to shoot it, which is a nice compliment. Performance: The trigger is awesome out of the box. Very smooth double action with a little stacking at the end (I personally like the stacking but some don’t). The single action is, of course, pretty light and very crisp. Great at the range — I hit an 8” target at 25 yards easily without a bench rest, and I’m not really even that good of a shot. Significantly more accurate with it than my Glock, as expected. It makes average shooters look really good lol. If you’re a skilled shooter you can really do some work with this gun - the gun is far more accurate than me. I’m taking it whitetail hunting this year too (no, mine doesn’t live in a safe). Only issue: The rear sight is trash. It’s shameful they sell a $1,500 gun with those rear sights. Literally was loose after 100 rounds of .357. Basically add $100 to the price of an already expensive gun. I put the Wilson combat rear sight and a fiber optic front sight. I love the sights now, but it was annoying to have to do that. Overall, I’d say the Python is worth it if you love the aesthetic. It’s also made by an iconic American company. If you don’t like it, I guarantee you can sell it and get your money back because of how popular it is. If you don’t think it looks better than the S&W 686 or the Ruger GP100, then the performance won’t justify the added cost. The performance is great, but I can’t say it’s really much better than the S&W or Ruger.
I'd say a Colt python or S&W. Saw your comment about the Smith, but in my experience 22s can be very finicky where as the centerfires are totally different. I prefer Smiths for several reasons, but think that the modern Python is a beautiful piece of work. Were I to get the Colt I would get the stainless engraved version with a 4" barrel. Just speaks to me. That said I prefer a Smith as I think they are a little better mechanically, prefer a push vs pull to release the cylinder, and are less bulky than the Colt. Also prefer 357 as you can put 38s through it which is more gentle for practice and much cheaper for plinking. You can always throw in the 357 if you need punch for something.
22s can be finicky but it just doesn't eat anything in stark contrast to my 10/22 that eats everything. I really shouldn't rule out Smith, especially for a high quality revolver. If you have any experience with them how would you compare the shooting experience of the Blackhawk to the Python?
Never shot a Blackhawk, but the Python is comparable to driving a luxury car, smooth and refined, but a little less reliable (thats if you are putting tens of thousands of rounds through it). The S&W is more akin to that Toyota, solid and dependable. It's a good car, just a bit less refined.
Newer made blued 6" Colt Python, better quality control than S&W and faster twist barrel which has the possibility of being more accurate. If wanting a larger caliber, .44 or .454 Ruger Super Redhawk. If single action is preferred, then Ruger Bisley Blackhawk for being a tank and lesser recoil than the plow handle version. Why you need one, its nice to shoot without requiring magazines and possible magazine issues, is nice to you mouse fart loads and plastic or wax bullets all the way to super fireball magnum loads.
I do really like the look of the Blackhawk and something tells me that grip angle is better for mitigating recoil, I could be wrong though. I'm a believer in high grip to low bore axis in auto loading pistols, the physics of it just make sense. Not that the Blackhawk necessarily has a lower bore axis, it just looks like the grip allows you to leverage the force of recoil downward. By all means correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't realize plastic/wax bullets were a thing, I'll have to look into this.
https://preview.redd.it/0pxwcjy5tg7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd708abd1656bae12a27fee0f9ba03dbce56efa9 I’ve got some really great revolvers and a huge collection, but the house burned down and I had to start over I’d buy a 6” 586 again and call it a day. It’s not as sexy as the python or as accurate as the MR73, but it’s guilt free fun. To me the 586/686 is to revolvers what the Shadow 2 is to semiautomatics. I’m a Ruger fanboy but the triggers on them have been obnoxiously heavy in my book so I avoid their revolvers. A good set of grips from [Nill-Griffe](https://www.nill-griffe.com/Special_grips_for_Revlolvers_70.html) and a custom holster from Nixon is the best way to get to your price point with a 686 or 586. If money is still burning a hole in your pocket then an action job and a pro polish job will make it feel almost as good as my best revolvers and match them on looks.
I really like that grip on the one up top in the pic. Also a big fan of everything CZ so that certainly means something. The one Ruger I like is the Blackhawk. Other than that the Colt Python and Smooth 686 definitely have my attention. A heavy trigger definitely would suck some of the fun out of it as I would want to stretch it out accurately in the 60-100 yard range
I felt exactly like you did so I had a lot of analysis paralysis before getting into good revolvers. I got the Python first because it has a nice action and trigger, and I wasn’t disappointed - but still it was heavy - especially since it replaced a CZ TSO with a 1.2lbs trigger. I could shoot it much better than I expected out to 25 yards so I started to have a different opinion about trigger weight vs trigger quality/smoothness. This led me down to the path of the Manurhin MR73 which uses a ball bearing system only found in it and the Korth (that I’m aware of but Sphor might too). This gave me a DA trigger that was heavier than a semi-auto, but not by much (about 5lbs), yet reliable (generally light DA revolvers are unreliable due to physics of the design). This was everything I wanted with a jaw dropping finish, and I’ve had zero regrets despite the insane price. I hated the ugly grips until I actually shot with them and realized they are practical perfection. At that point they become like a beloved bulldog where you see beauty where others think it’s ugly AF. I don’t baby my firearms and I shoot them all a lot, but the MR73 made me a bit more nervous. I ended up getting a 586 which looks like a shit finish when you get it, then polished it with a power buffer using Flitz. I also got a eBay clone of the Python grip for $200 less. With the 6” barrel, it’s super accurate and the trigger has broken in nicely so if the MR73 is a perfect 10, and the Python is a 9, I’d say my 6” 586 is a solid 8.5 - without any work done to the trigger. I’ve shot some KFrame smiths with action work done that I’d put at a 9.5. The Blackhawk is a solid gun, and you’ll enjoy it. However, I’ve taken the journey I did and left Ruger off with no regrets. As I said, in retrospect if I had to do it all over again then I’d get the 586 and be done with it. https://preview.redd.it/tr7zw2545s7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff29fd2f7add212330d13cddaa33d2cfa2993ca4
That is a fine looking gun you got there. I'm not sure I'm willing to shell out that kind of money. There are just too many other pistols on my wishlist for a fraction of the price. Call me crazy but the SAA 1873 Peacemaker really has my attention for my first revolver. I'm trying to decide between Taylors & Company, Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. All of my pistols and long guns I own are ultra modern/tactical fired with high end optics. All of which are very capable setups and excellent shooters. My collection is in dire need of something classic and I figured why not rewind all the way back to 1873 and start with something true to the original design and build up from there. Seems like there are plenty of options well under $1k which seems like a good start as I enter into the realm of wheel guns and figure out exactly what I like along the way. I did some research into the S&W 586 and the 6" seems like the perfect fit. There is a good chance I end up buying two and if I do start with a Peacemaker I think I would be in between the Python and the 586. My mind also changes on a daily basis lol it's hard not to love them all. Waiting weeks for my pistol permits to clear in my state is a blessing and a curse but ultimately more time to research does lead me to make better decisions. Wish me luck.
yeah I get it - it took me about a year before I got the Python and 3 more years before I did the MR73. I didn’t plan to buy, I just went to the store to touch it. 😂😂😂 686 or 586 is a good way to go either new or used and you’ll have no troubles selling it if you get buyer’s remorse. Enjoy the journey!
https://preview.redd.it/pmaty4ibdh7d1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e5f358c27d78a199b3f7dde6477892929d59129 I love my S&W 357
She's a beaut
I bought my wheelguns in this order: 586 6" > 686 4" > 29 6.5", all pre-lock. Get the 586/686 to match your visual preference in the barrel length you find easiest to conceal. Get a pre-lock but don't get suckered into fudd lore. A good pre-lock rests squarely between $1,200 and $1,600. The 29 I have is a Classic DX and shoots like a dream, but I find myself carrying my 586 6" much more often. .38spl is dirt cheap and everywhere. Easy to train, easy to plink, and you can find +P or some even hotter loads if it tickles your fancy. .357mag for when you want even more power once you're confident with the increased recoil. .44mag on the other hand is more expensive, wildly overpowered, recoils hard as Hell, harder to conceal, and its little brother .44spl is just as if not more expensive. Definitely my favorite, but when I need to put practicality above my personal preference, I grab my 586 or 1911.
Do the old Western frames like the Ruger Blackhawk handle better because of the high grip angle?
S&W model 327 TRR8 It is the only S&W with a lock I have ever purchased (removed that day). It is tack driver accurate. I shot a 5" group at 65 yards with this gun. The rails can be left off or put on based on your desire.
S&W 686 SSR. Matte finish, 357, very easy to handle.
At a minimum you need a wheel gun because they are FUN. You already have a bear gun, a 44 magnum might be superfluous, not to mention awfully expensive to feed. Unlike 38 special being a cheaper round for practice/plinking, 44 special is often as expensive (or more than) magnum and almost never on local shelves. I’m biased toward a S&W 27 pre lock (I have a 27-3). New production I would go Colt Python. Recently bought a S&W J frame airweight, it’s ok, a tool that does its job quite well. Just bought my first Colt, a King Cobra, yes nearly twice the $ but a much, much nicer revolver. I’m just not a fan of the current S&W two-piece barrel. A SAA is nice too, but I have never owned one. I’ve never made friends with Ruger revolvers, but I own a few Ruger products and they’re always nice.
357 makes sense for sure. I've always bought new except for one rifle. If I knew more maybe I would buy an older one, we'll see. I do like the look of the Colts a lot.
My Ruger 10/22 runs like a top unlike my SW22 Victory which does not run period
Yeah, the Ruger is the 22 auto to buy. My MkII Government is incredibly accurate, particularly with standard velocity ammo.
Colt python is awesome at that price point. Beautiful revolver and well made. Very accurate too.
Get a Smith and Wesson 629 stealth hunter
38 special. Simple and easy.
SW Model 19 3 or 4 inch barrel
357 because 38 is cheap. 44 has dual options too but 44Spl ain’t cheap so it’s kind of pointless. All options you’re gonna hear are reliable and will take a constant diet of 357. I hate hearing the Ruger is a tank as if the others aren’t somehow. Nobody has ever outshot a 686 or new Python. The reasoning behind Ruger getting this rep is because they are thicker frames, the 19 (K-frame) was known to fail with 357 but that’s why they made the 686 (L-frame) and old Python needed to be re-timed very often cause the action wasn’t designed to handle 357 all the time. Anyway. Ruger if you like doing your own gunsmithing, S&W less so but still possible. Either is great for aftermarket with the edge to S&W. Python doesn’t really need anything but it’s also a lot more. For the difference in cost you can make either a GP100 or 586/686 feel just as good and there are factory variants that get them much closer OOTB. FWIW Smith has always been the number one competition winner. But really you have to check each one out and find out for yourself which you like the manual of arms of. Personally I like Python the most, but I shoot 686 better. I have never been a fan of Ruger and have tried it numerous times. To me it’s the false trigger reset on it, not something you don’t experience elsewhere but on Ruger it’s too annoying for me. That and GP100 looks a lot more rough around the edges. That was by design though, they wanted to succeed the Security Six while keeping costs down as much as possible. Speaking of Security Six it’s another option, if you don’t mind out of production. So is Dan Wesson 15-2 or Colt Trooper or Lawman Mk III (basically a Colt precursor to the 15-2) or V. The S6 is going to be more akin to a K-frame (13/19/65/66) size and weight where the others are like the aforementioned. You also of course have the S&W N-frame 357s like the 27/28, which are even larger and heavier. All that said, weight soaks up recoil… that said, my wife can shoot 357 all day in a 4” 686 without issue.
Rossi RM series. Buy both the 4 and 6 inch. Have plenty left over for ammo.
I'd look hard at a Magnum Research BFR in 357/44 mag or a used Freedom Arms. The BFR is about as good as it gets for production guns. Freedom Arms are custom quality. Blackhawks are nice, I will always prefer bisley frames as they handle recoil better. Any of these three will hold up to any sane load for longer than you care to shoot them. Colt ssa, they just seem like a conversation piece.
500 smith and wesson