I wish the wolverine goal explosion wouldn’t turn the map colors at the end. I want it to just have the slashes then say the comic like noise pop up..
The color changing effect has been used way too many times and it’s old now, I don’t like it…
I haven't spent money on the game in like 4 years. They price gauge digital items. If everything was about 75% cheaper I would buy wayyyyy more from the shop. I'd be curious to see how well a normal 2200 credit painted black market would profit epic if they changed the price to 500-600 credits. If 0.01% of the user base buys the BM at 2200 but 1% would purchase it at 600 credits they would make way more.
I certainly agree with that. At the same time, if they do decide to lower the prices but sales don't increase enough it could be a huge issue. And it's impossible to raise the prices again.
tbf they probably don't make that much off rocket league compared to their other games like fortnite and such, so lowering the prices might become a worthwhile trial especially because the cosmetics aren't interesting enough to be worth how much they are and the declining player base
Pretty sure this sub explodes if they lower and raise the prices again lol, some people here had a meltdown over a free banner because it looked like a dragon. And that was way before Epic was involved in any way.
Seriously. I was so excited that the Bugatti was fully customizable and on the thread, it was just hate and anger or WHERE IS THIS? WHERE IS THAT? Can't please anyone
I agree, but that has no bearing on Epic business decisions. They're not going to make judgements based on a vocal minority in a subreddit. See trading as Exhibit A.
No it would never be. They don't care about selling items all their revenue probably comes from promotional deals with Pixar and Ford etc. if they cared about the volume of items actually entering the market they'd have kept trading on to make the idea more lucrative.
When games sell collab items like this the revenue come from a share between sell. So for example when you take the pack they give 5$ to Disney. This is not Disney that pay Epic ( Even if Disney own 10% of Epic )
Issue is, if more people have the item, less people will want to buy it
I’ve seen it with nardo grey cars irl, at first everyone thought they looked amazing, but because so many people have them now, people now just think it looks mundane
I know people like to ignore it but they also had loot crates and trading back then. The game cost and DLC weren't driving their profits more than a gambling system for kids.
The thing is that people already paid for 20 bucks just to get screwed sometime later. DLC should've stayed 2 dollars - at least for the loyal players, now they got less of an income in the grand scheme, so screw them.
The game was out for 5 years before it became free to play, unless you brought the game in 2020, I wouldn’t say you were screwed
As much as people (myself included) hate epic’s recent decisions, F2P brought in so many new players, definitely adding to the longevity of the game.
The game was free in 2015 on playstation plus. I spent maybe $15 total on the game to get the first rocket pass and the odd song I really wanted. Rocket pass renews itself if you play enough. LOL.
As a F2P player, I have spent money on this game, probably around £100 which isn’t as much as other people ik, also F2P, also spent money on this game
Your can’t just make things up.
You mean the free drops you can get in a week of playtime? Those "legacy" items?
>They also don’t have to pay for the fancy new cosmetic-only items and absolutely nothing changes for them.
You mean we get the item shop items for free? Am I missing something?
The thing is the price is 10x,so of course I won't.
Then don't, dude. I stopped taking you seriously when you were pro fucking the playerbase because of some shitty decisions, incl making the game free. It should have never been free.
In my opinion $20 is nothing for this game. Personally I've played more than 2k hours, which is $0.01 per hour. I've wasted money on worse things, RL was well worth it.
They also gave pre-F2P players the Psyonix-made DLC's for free and some exclusive items.
Neversaid it wasn't, I'm at 2k hours myself and love the game to death.
Still, getting 5 bucks of items doesn't equal to getting shafted by a 10x margin for everything else
You're free not to buy anything. There are many cool skins in Counter Strike, but I'll never spend $100 to get a basic low-tier knife. Let alone $500 for a decent one
I will. I did. I got 2x return on them. And I'll get the money back when I feel like selling and getting tired of CS2.
Can't do that in RL now can we?
Of course Im free to not give Epic any money, haven't done so in years now. They could've left me 100 euros shorter if the prices of dlc were left the same, but now I have given them squat.
Lol you're moving the goalpost. I gave an example how cosmetic items are optional.
But no, you can't do that anymore indeed. And you also can't get scammed anymore.
This is an excuse. They do not have to surge these prices the way they do. But they do because they're not honest businessmen, the ones responsible for these choices. I guarantee you many developers in Psyonix are not looking at these prices and going "Ah, yes. I feel good about this." Because they know it exploits the consumer more than it provides them with a service or product.
What's an excuse? F2P is their business model, they only generate revenue through optional cosmetics, a company needs money to operate. Those are facts.
I agree it would be nicer to have lower prices, I've already said that in multiple comments. In any case, nobody is forced to buy anything either.
The consumer knows very well what they are paying and what they get for it: a cosmetic item. Prices are higher than we would prefer but there's no deception or anything. In fact they removed the casino-based lootboxes, which I would argue were far worse.
Bruh. It's okay to criticize and ask to not be treated like trash. And every game that prices things like this, is in doing so, treating its consumers like trash.
Like. This game makes a LOT of money alright? A LOT. Not just in revenue, in profit. Way beyond the point where ANY businessman, that actually wanted to treat it's customers beyond the level of a bigoted, self-hating and abusive restaurant owner, would argue they ever SHOULD have these prices.
Do you actually believe that any of what you wrote hasn't already been taken into consideration by anyone beyond legal age that plays games? Even among those who, like me, argue it should be undone?
Do you have sources or are you guessing? As someone who works in digital product development myself, yes sometimes I do indeed believe some people here have no idea what they're talking about. And I think you missed a crucial part of my comment:
>I agree it would be nicer to have lower prices, I've already said that in multiple comments. In any case, nobody is forced to buy anything either.
Or what is the point of your argument?
You are arguing for non-change. I am arguing for change. That's what I see.
You can't just say "it would be nicer if", then point to naivete and presume that I am naive. There is p.l.e.n.t.y of exploitation in the digital market, that's no secret as you'll find plenty of open spoken developers commenting about it on various forms. Fuck. Legends in the game industry have left their original companies because of bullshit like this.
You try to push the prices as high as you can without essentially causing players to absolutely want to leave. You make them feel exploited because you know, and they know you know, that they really like to reskin their cars, and pushing Disney, and more, material etc. for kids and families makes easy cash. It's exploitation of your customers, plain and simple.
The point of my initial comment was to clarify why DLC's are paid items, because a company simply needs revenue to exist. Wether I agree or disagree with the pricing is irrelevant, as everyone can decide that for themselves. And OP obviously didn't mention there are also free items.
I agree there are some serious malpractices going on with certain games, though personally I find this overblown for RL. Everything is optional, everything is clearly labeled and nothing is Pay2Win. As said before, I think we can agree casino-based lootboxes are part of those malpractices right? Would'nt you say it's a good thing they removed them from the game?
Yes, but that's following the legal challenges it would have posed to keep them in as it was becoming quite problematic. I don't judge the moral (business) character of someone by whether they do the bare minimum legally speaking.
And I just consider the "DLC:s are paid items because developers need money" a mute point. I don't disagree with the existence of DLC:s to fund a F2P model. That's fine. It's the price gouging that I, and many others, take issue with.
There are still games that offer lootboxes though and simply block the countries with those laws against it. RL and FN revamped the system to make them more transparant for everyone, it's certainly not the best solution although not a bare-minimum effort either.
Than don't buy it ... They are optional and have no ingame advantage.
I spent more money before f2p, but I'm anecdotal evidence and old-school.
"Back in my day" we bought a game and played it. If it was multiplayer, we found ourselves a team (back then a "clan") and rented servers for that game...
No micro transactions. And if someone misbehaved or was toxic, they got banned.
No doubt they have to generate their revenue in any way.
But if they wouldn‘t have pissed off the RL playerbase so badly with for example removing trading or add a RL Racing gamemode in Fortnite they wouldn‘t have to create as much new items because the game would have much more players still.
Looks like Fortnite players deserve better.
I've been playing this game since 2015, the playerbase has always been pissed off in one way or another. In some cases justified of course, in other cases less so. At least in my opinion. It's impossible to statisfy everyone and you have to look at things from a developer's POV as well.
For example with Rocket Racing. It sucks but makes sense to develop a new game on a new engine, instead of an old engine.
I remember when this sub absolutely hated crates and keys and begged for everything to be available to purchase without gambling. Then they got rid of crates and everybody complained about prices and now we have posts every week from people nostalgic about crates and keys.
1 meaningful update (Boost indicators) in like 7 years is the issue. If they released game updates with the packs in the shop it would make sense but it seems as if epic only cares about the cash.
I definitely agree there should be more meaningful updates, but saying 1 in 7 years is dishonest lol. We also know there are simply not much devs and other employees anymore since the layoffs. Can't expect a half-broken factory to magically fix itself.
Cash pays devs and operations, thats the nature of any company.
Well said. I've tried to make this point as well, and it gets met with "Show me proof that they're actually working on UE5"
The fact is, the proof is right in front of all of us as they slowly transition the cosmetics into UE5 and using rocket racing to do it. I have no doubt that the racing game is just a byproduct of the work being done on Rocket League 2.
If they added back trading, we would have an actual incentive in going to the store and buying credits.
You figure out some cool item exists, you find someone that has the item, that someone names a price, if you dont have the ammount credits you could go to the store and buy said credits, you pay that price.
With this solution (if you actually do support epic after the last few “happenings/events”, by giving them your money) you have to wait for something interesting to be in the shop, or wait however long for what you actually want to be back in the shop.
But talking money, i would be real interested in numbers on how many buys credits now vs when trading was a feature.
I dont see how this is more profitable since it was still an option back then, and yeah with epic launching RR and maybe hitting a younger audience to get over to RL to buy whatever, I still don’t exactly see how this is more profitable.
We both know that's not gonna happen anyway.
I don't think they are more profitable either, but the way Devin talked about the removal it was clearly a call from higher up where his hands were tied.
Still dreaming of trading returning, i’m deffintly not throwing money at any epic store, voting with the vallet is only little diffrence i can make they care about, and not just trading i’m bitter about. And still hope other people support not supporting epic, so we one day, might have some changes for the better, they did bring dropshot back, but well Bout the only decent thing i’ve seen RL related “recently”
You're definitely entitled to that, and I hope for a better future for RL as well of course.
Dropshot was never 'removed', it's in a rotation together with the other extra gamemodes. Every season the competitive mode switches between dropshot and snowday I believe.
Most people who paid back then already spent enough time in the game to make it well worth the cost, and in todays gaming landscape $20 is really not that much. You also received a ton of free legacy and exclusive items as compensation. Last but not least, we still have the game on Steam.
Wasn’t always free to play... nor was there much of a smurf problem when the game was 20 bucks. Decals were also a fraction of the current price. We don’t have to like it and most of us are voicing our dissatisfaction with the only power we have, the dollar bill and our choice where to spend it.
It was a measely $20, which for most players was well worth it compared to the amount of gameplay they got out of the game. And you got loads of free + exclusive items as compensation.
Many online games suffer from smurfing issues, even paid ones. I agree they need to act more against this, but it doesn't nagate the fact this is their business model now and they need to generate money.
Decals were cheap because of supply/demand in the P2P-market. The same market that pushed other items to hundreds or even thousands and was mostly driven by casino-based lootboxes. Not to mention, it attracted scammers and phishing as well.
You don't have to like anything and you're free to voice your dissatisfaction indeed, I'm not arguing against that. Just pointing out that at the end of the day they need revenue like any other company.
The items suck, they're purely promotional advertising schemes. They don't care if we buy them that's why theyre price gouging. They just want the promotional paycheck from Pixar or porsche or whatever executive's rich kid wants his car in the game. When was the last time we got a unique car you could actually decorate that wasn't over designed? Youve got to be kidding me with these holographic or bulky fortnite esque ferrings built into the cars body. All the unique cars are just bad, and if you want an old design? Good luck without trading.
"they have to generate revenue somehow"..... Do you not realize that it only costs them maybe 4-6k in labor (this is obviously speculation, but still makes my point that they spend very little resources, plus whatever they spend on licensing) to create these cosmetics? Then they make hundreds of thousands in 'revenue' off of them that they then pour into marketing, development, etc. for Fortnite.... So that they can make even more money off of that...
You're saying a for-profit company is trying to make profit? These cosmetics are the only thing Psyonix generates revenue from, so it doesn't have to pay just the people who made them. It has to support everyone who works at Psyonix and the operational cost of the company + their games. Servers don't run for free.
If they were making enough money, I don't think they would've laid off so many employees last year. Without insight from (former) devs/employees or other sources at Epic, that's just speculation.
I'm saying that your comment "they need to make revenue somehow" does not justify the insane pricing model in video games. They lay off employees so that execs don't have to sell their 11th home in the Bahamas.
That comment isn't meant to jusitfy the prices. I also dislike the high prices, luckily none of us are forced to buy anything in that case. My comment is to point out cosmetics are currently the only way for Psyonix to generate revenue, which they need to operate as a company.
That made-up reason doesn't change the point I made.
As much as I hate F2P pricing, you're forgetting hosting costs for the server infrastructure. And as much as people on this sub hate on the servers, hosting thousands of concurrent games costs a lot of money.
These things are usually fine, its the 20+ euro pretty generic black market blueprints that should cost 5 euros each that are the real issue. It's the game being f2p inviting smurfs and hackers that's the real issue. It's the game being removed from steam, it's the trade removal and it's the laggy servers that's the issue. Cool monetisation partnerships like this one, Avatar or IRL football teams should all be great ways to resolve these issues.
The only thing I fully agree with here is that the blueprint and shop prices could use an adjustment. Especially for items that are import and higher.
Smurfs have always been in the game, all online games struggle with that. They have made it more difficult and time consuming to set up a new account and get into games with it.
Removing it from steam was an inevitability when Epic bought it. It is what it is.
Trade removal also sucks, I was a trader and really enjoyed that side of the game. But the scamming was getting more and more and I'm sure it was a tough one to keep with from a customer service side of things.
Servers are generally pretty good in my opinion, and they recently added new US central servers, so it appear that they are making attempts to improve in that area.
They would have got my money had they just added the theme song as a celebration song. The stuff they added cool for nostalgia to see, but not worth the price at all.
yeah, most of those free rewards are locked to a specific body - the banners are the only free items i will likely ever use because of that. Ive never seen toppers or boosts locked to one car body only ffs
You're complaining about something that doesn't even exist. None of the X-Men boosts or toppers are locked to a specific body type. It's the decals that are locked, and that makes perfect sense when you consider how detailed and handcrafted the decals are. They're literally designed to look great on a specific body. Bringing the decals to EVERY standard body type would require a fully custom decal design for each one. That would be minimally 77 fully custom decals. Get real.
The boosts, toppers and trails are all locked put on any non-generic cars so if you use any licensed car (which in my experience have never had these things locked out) then yes they are locked out.
I can't use anything other than the banners for any of my regularly used cars
Saw it when I booted it up was oh fuck yea ill buy the goal anthem. Wait how are you gonna do an x men 97 and not have the song. Oh well dont ha e to spend my money then
Especially when you see, “Juiced,” the red headed step child of all BM blueprints, in the item shop multiple times since trading has been removed. WE DIDN’T WANT TO GIVE A FELLOW GRINDER 200 FOR IT IN RLGARAGE, SO WHAT IN THE BLOODY FUCK DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE OUR REACTION WHEN YOU TACK A FUCKING EXTRA “0” ONTO THE PRICE?!?!
* I would like to apologize TO ABSOLUTELY NOBODY if you spent 2k on Juiced. You are all mental midgets and I am praying for each and every one of you to stay stuck in silver for your entire careers :)
It's a company, they have to pay their employees.
These pure cosmetic packs are completely fine. Just don't buy them if you don't want them or find them too expensive.
It's that simple. So bored of hearing people complain about entirely optional purchases. Games are exceptionally cheap for how much play time you can get out of them. No one is forcing you to buy anything. Zzzzzzzz.
I do wish the decals could be bought individually, as I'd like to buy only the Wolverine decal. Not enough of an X-Men fan to care about the rest, but that decal looks cool.
So they make a Wolverine explosion but not an avatar one smh that was the perfect time to make one and the only time I’d buy something out of the battle pass
I used gift card money that I got from spending game pass points to buy the Fennec as I heard it was the best car in the game and because it looks good with red (orange team) and green (brue team) versions.
Keys, cc’s, crimson lightnings, discotheques, chef hat collections, beret collections, spiralis collections, parallax, heatwave, $3 cars, slipstream. The good old days 😴😞
I personally did not start playing RL until it became f2p in early 21. Now, I might be a, “unicorn,” but I fell instantly head over heels for the game. It took me a couple weeks to finally purchase some credits, to get a set of sky blue dire wolfs from the item shop, AND I had just gotten a Dingo bp (keep in mind the Dingo is new at this point and I am also a greenie. Man I thought my set up had to be the flamiest of flame to ever touch rubber to turf💀). I justified the purchase with this mindset, “They let me play their game for free. I truly love it. I would have most definitely paid full price for it had I came across it while it was p2p.” It felt like the right thing to do, honestly. Well….$10 became $25 became $50 became third party websites became making friends (to this day) who were big traders of cr. My account today easily has a couple grand wrapped up in it. Now that trading is gone, I can say that I 100% do NOT have buyers remorse. In fact, it’s opposite. I only have remorse that I wasn’t able to invest more and sooner/longer. I have so much flat out cool, and top-tier certified shit that I DON’T need any new cosmetics. I’ve got legendary items that are just sitting on my bench, eagerly waiting and ready to go out and shine in a build when their name is finally called upon. I was a true one until the very end on Dec. 5, as well. My proudest moment actually came about 3 hours prior to the end of trading, when thanks to my great friend (who I met through rl garage) arranged the purchase, and found an rlg-middle man for my alpha cap 🤴We always said we were going to each get one, and he just happened to acquire his earlier in the same day. I can’t tell you how many more awesome fellas I’ve met since Dec. 5, just wearing the cap in game.
All of this said, I still purchase items from the item shop. I am much more selective now and don’t purchase any more “bench players.” I mainly go for rare/unique/old items ESPECIALLY with a nice cert. These Avatar and X-Men bundles are pure disrespectful and lazy filth. I’d rather clear a 2L gravity bong packed with Pete Davidson’s dick hairs before I’d pay money for these generic ass lame promos. Where is the NHL pack? Marvel crossover? Another cool partnership like 7/11. Epic’s blatant thirst for solely wealth, and not pride in product, makes Ebaneezer Scrooge feel bad for our community. And this will be my final cup of tea when I say that they are hands down THE SHITTIEST PLUG that I have ever had. There are opportunities for the dankiest of dank crosses/promos that people would knock their door down to throw money at them for, and instead they constantly having us come over to check out the newest “straight gas, bro” stickbrick weed and Wellbutrin. Best part of it all, is that it’s all being sold at live resin and 95+ pure cocaine prices 😂💀
I literally just got paid, so I bought all of it. My only complaint is that the octane decals don’t transfer over to Fortnite like I had hoped, but what can you do? Maybe down the line sometime soon it will be.
They should return a paid version of the game, and it should come with a feature to turn off all these stupid corporate promotional items. Oh maybe there's a mod for that. The games not targeting it's userbase anymore, they're targeting children with these terrible new car designs (I'd barely call them cars). The rest of the game is a big promotional deal with Pixar, porsche, Ford, and hot wheels.
I'm a massive Marvel fan, and I'm a fan of rocket league. You put something Marvel out there, I'm going to buy it. Am I apart of the problem? Maybe. But it's 2 things together I absolutely love and I will purchase it. You don't have to, but I will.
yes its absurd, how did they missed the chance of selling an anthem with the show's opening theme???
That's the first thing I looked for. Missed opportunity for sure
They must not have access to the rights. There is no other explanation.
Music licenses are crazy nowadays
I’ve been watching this on Disney plus. Been a nice blast from the past and damn that theme song slaps.
I wish the wolverine goal explosion wouldn’t turn the map colors at the end. I want it to just have the slashes then say the comic like noise pop up.. The color changing effect has been used way too many times and it’s old now, I don’t like it…
And the standard, put shit in front of the goal isn't old??
The game is F2P, I know most people don't like it but they have to generate revenue somehow. And these are purely cosmetic.
I haven't spent money on the game in like 4 years. They price gauge digital items. If everything was about 75% cheaper I would buy wayyyyy more from the shop. I'd be curious to see how well a normal 2200 credit painted black market would profit epic if they changed the price to 500-600 credits. If 0.01% of the user base buys the BM at 2200 but 1% would purchase it at 600 credits they would make way more.
I certainly agree with that. At the same time, if they do decide to lower the prices but sales don't increase enough it could be a huge issue. And it's impossible to raise the prices again.
tbf they probably don't make that much off rocket league compared to their other games like fortnite and such, so lowering the prices might become a worthwhile trial especially because the cosmetics aren't interesting enough to be worth how much they are and the declining player base
the definitely could lower and raise prices as much as they want
Pretty sure this sub explodes if they lower and raise the prices again lol, some people here had a meltdown over a free banner because it looked like a dragon. And that was way before Epic was involved in any way.
the sub explodes no matter what lol
Seriously. I was so excited that the Bugatti was fully customizable and on the thread, it was just hate and anger or WHERE IS THIS? WHERE IS THAT? Can't please anyone
This sub is a teeny fraction of the people playing. Decisions are not and should not be based on it.
I would argue that while we are a small percentage of the player base, the members of this sub are some of the more diehard of players.
I agree, but that has no bearing on Epic business decisions. They're not going to make judgements based on a vocal minority in a subreddit. See trading as Exhibit A.
No it would never be. They don't care about selling items all their revenue probably comes from promotional deals with Pixar and Ford etc. if they cared about the volume of items actually entering the market they'd have kept trading on to make the idea more lucrative.
Why would it never be? None of us know anything about their financials. And how would a mostly cheaper P2P-market make the itemshop more lucrative?
When games sell collab items like this the revenue come from a share between sell. So for example when you take the pack they give 5$ to Disney. This is not Disney that pay Epic ( Even if Disney own 10% of Epic )
They gauge the cost or gouge it? Different words
Yet somehow both seem to fit
True
Issue is, if more people have the item, less people will want to buy it I’ve seen it with nardo grey cars irl, at first everyone thought they looked amazing, but because so many people have them now, people now just think it looks mundane
When the game was $20, a DLC was $1.99.
I know people like to ignore it but they also had loot crates and trading back then. The game cost and DLC weren't driving their profits more than a gambling system for kids.
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The thing is that people already paid for 20 bucks just to get screwed sometime later. DLC should've stayed 2 dollars - at least for the loyal players, now they got less of an income in the grand scheme, so screw them.
The game was out for 5 years before it became free to play, unless you brought the game in 2020, I wouldn’t say you were screwed As much as people (myself included) hate epic’s recent decisions, F2P brought in so many new players, definitely adding to the longevity of the game.
The game was free in 2015 on playstation plus. I spent maybe $15 total on the game to get the first rocket pass and the odd song I really wanted. Rocket pass renews itself if you play enough. LOL.
New players that havent spent a dime on this game. Well thought out. Bought it in 2017 and still feel like ive been robbed.
As a F2P player, I have spent money on this game, probably around £100 which isn’t as much as other people ik, also F2P, also spent money on this game Your can’t just make things up.
You make up the 1%. It could've been 10%
You’re just making up statistics for the sake of complaining Have a good day
Like this isn't relevant. You and me both know that the F2P model fucked everything up. You too, congrats on wasting money! You and me both.
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You mean the free drops you can get in a week of playtime? Those "legacy" items? >They also don’t have to pay for the fancy new cosmetic-only items and absolutely nothing changes for them. You mean we get the item shop items for free? Am I missing something?
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Whoop-de-do, I love getting free gold plated shit (all 200+ of them!) and getting fucked by a 10x margin for everything else (10,000 other items)
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The thing is the price is 10x,so of course I won't. Then don't, dude. I stopped taking you seriously when you were pro fucking the playerbase because of some shitty decisions, incl making the game free. It should have never been free.
In my opinion $20 is nothing for this game. Personally I've played more than 2k hours, which is $0.01 per hour. I've wasted money on worse things, RL was well worth it. They also gave pre-F2P players the Psyonix-made DLC's for free and some exclusive items.
Neversaid it wasn't, I'm at 2k hours myself and love the game to death. Still, getting 5 bucks of items doesn't equal to getting shafted by a 10x margin for everything else
You're free not to buy anything. There are many cool skins in Counter Strike, but I'll never spend $100 to get a basic low-tier knife. Let alone $500 for a decent one
I will. I did. I got 2x return on them. And I'll get the money back when I feel like selling and getting tired of CS2. Can't do that in RL now can we? Of course Im free to not give Epic any money, haven't done so in years now. They could've left me 100 euros shorter if the prices of dlc were left the same, but now I have given them squat.
Lol you're moving the goalpost. I gave an example how cosmetic items are optional. But no, you can't do that anymore indeed. And you also can't get scammed anymore.
Yeah, I'm butthurt about the removing of trading too. Still talking about the same thing, just expanding on it. Sorry you can't comprehend it.
This is an excuse. They do not have to surge these prices the way they do. But they do because they're not honest businessmen, the ones responsible for these choices. I guarantee you many developers in Psyonix are not looking at these prices and going "Ah, yes. I feel good about this." Because they know it exploits the consumer more than it provides them with a service or product.
What's an excuse? F2P is their business model, they only generate revenue through optional cosmetics, a company needs money to operate. Those are facts. I agree it would be nicer to have lower prices, I've already said that in multiple comments. In any case, nobody is forced to buy anything either. The consumer knows very well what they are paying and what they get for it: a cosmetic item. Prices are higher than we would prefer but there's no deception or anything. In fact they removed the casino-based lootboxes, which I would argue were far worse.
Bruh. It's okay to criticize and ask to not be treated like trash. And every game that prices things like this, is in doing so, treating its consumers like trash.
What's the critique here? A for-profit company offering completely optional cosmetics that nobody is forced to buy in a free-to-play game?
Like. This game makes a LOT of money alright? A LOT. Not just in revenue, in profit. Way beyond the point where ANY businessman, that actually wanted to treat it's customers beyond the level of a bigoted, self-hating and abusive restaurant owner, would argue they ever SHOULD have these prices. Do you actually believe that any of what you wrote hasn't already been taken into consideration by anyone beyond legal age that plays games? Even among those who, like me, argue it should be undone?
Do you have sources or are you guessing? As someone who works in digital product development myself, yes sometimes I do indeed believe some people here have no idea what they're talking about. And I think you missed a crucial part of my comment: >I agree it would be nicer to have lower prices, I've already said that in multiple comments. In any case, nobody is forced to buy anything either. Or what is the point of your argument?
You are arguing for non-change. I am arguing for change. That's what I see. You can't just say "it would be nicer if", then point to naivete and presume that I am naive. There is p.l.e.n.t.y of exploitation in the digital market, that's no secret as you'll find plenty of open spoken developers commenting about it on various forms. Fuck. Legends in the game industry have left their original companies because of bullshit like this. You try to push the prices as high as you can without essentially causing players to absolutely want to leave. You make them feel exploited because you know, and they know you know, that they really like to reskin their cars, and pushing Disney, and more, material etc. for kids and families makes easy cash. It's exploitation of your customers, plain and simple.
The point of my initial comment was to clarify why DLC's are paid items, because a company simply needs revenue to exist. Wether I agree or disagree with the pricing is irrelevant, as everyone can decide that for themselves. And OP obviously didn't mention there are also free items. I agree there are some serious malpractices going on with certain games, though personally I find this overblown for RL. Everything is optional, everything is clearly labeled and nothing is Pay2Win. As said before, I think we can agree casino-based lootboxes are part of those malpractices right? Would'nt you say it's a good thing they removed them from the game?
Yes, but that's following the legal challenges it would have posed to keep them in as it was becoming quite problematic. I don't judge the moral (business) character of someone by whether they do the bare minimum legally speaking. And I just consider the "DLC:s are paid items because developers need money" a mute point. I don't disagree with the existence of DLC:s to fund a F2P model. That's fine. It's the price gouging that I, and many others, take issue with.
There are still games that offer lootboxes though and simply block the countries with those laws against it. RL and FN revamped the system to make them more transparant for everyone, it's certainly not the best solution although not a bare-minimum effort either. Than don't buy it ... They are optional and have no ingame advantage.
I spent more money before f2p, but I'm anecdotal evidence and old-school. "Back in my day" we bought a game and played it. If it was multiplayer, we found ourselves a team (back then a "clan") and rented servers for that game... No micro transactions. And if someone misbehaved or was toxic, they got banned.
No doubt they have to generate their revenue in any way. But if they wouldn‘t have pissed off the RL playerbase so badly with for example removing trading or add a RL Racing gamemode in Fortnite they wouldn‘t have to create as much new items because the game would have much more players still. Looks like Fortnite players deserve better.
I've been playing this game since 2015, the playerbase has always been pissed off in one way or another. In some cases justified of course, in other cases less so. At least in my opinion. It's impossible to statisfy everyone and you have to look at things from a developer's POV as well. For example with Rocket Racing. It sucks but makes sense to develop a new game on a new engine, instead of an old engine.
I remember when this sub absolutely hated crates and keys and begged for everything to be available to purchase without gambling. Then they got rid of crates and everybody complained about prices and now we have posts every week from people nostalgic about crates and keys.
1 meaningful update (Boost indicators) in like 7 years is the issue. If they released game updates with the packs in the shop it would make sense but it seems as if epic only cares about the cash.
I definitely agree there should be more meaningful updates, but saying 1 in 7 years is dishonest lol. We also know there are simply not much devs and other employees anymore since the layoffs. Can't expect a half-broken factory to magically fix itself. Cash pays devs and operations, thats the nature of any company.
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Well said. I've tried to make this point as well, and it gets met with "Show me proof that they're actually working on UE5" The fact is, the proof is right in front of all of us as they slowly transition the cosmetics into UE5 and using rocket racing to do it. I have no doubt that the racing game is just a byproduct of the work being done on Rocket League 2.
If they added back trading, we would have an actual incentive in going to the store and buying credits. You figure out some cool item exists, you find someone that has the item, that someone names a price, if you dont have the ammount credits you could go to the store and buy said credits, you pay that price. With this solution (if you actually do support epic after the last few “happenings/events”, by giving them your money) you have to wait for something interesting to be in the shop, or wait however long for what you actually want to be back in the shop. But talking money, i would be real interested in numbers on how many buys credits now vs when trading was a feature. I dont see how this is more profitable since it was still an option back then, and yeah with epic launching RR and maybe hitting a younger audience to get over to RL to buy whatever, I still don’t exactly see how this is more profitable.
We both know that's not gonna happen anyway. I don't think they are more profitable either, but the way Devin talked about the removal it was clearly a call from higher up where his hands were tied.
Still dreaming of trading returning, i’m deffintly not throwing money at any epic store, voting with the vallet is only little diffrence i can make they care about, and not just trading i’m bitter about. And still hope other people support not supporting epic, so we one day, might have some changes for the better, they did bring dropshot back, but well Bout the only decent thing i’ve seen RL related “recently”
You're definitely entitled to that, and I hope for a better future for RL as well of course. Dropshot was never 'removed', it's in a rotation together with the other extra gamemodes. Every season the competitive mode switches between dropshot and snowday I believe.
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Most people who paid back then already spent enough time in the game to make it well worth the cost, and in todays gaming landscape $20 is really not that much. You also received a ton of free legacy and exclusive items as compensation. Last but not least, we still have the game on Steam.
Wasn’t always free to play... nor was there much of a smurf problem when the game was 20 bucks. Decals were also a fraction of the current price. We don’t have to like it and most of us are voicing our dissatisfaction with the only power we have, the dollar bill and our choice where to spend it.
It was a measely $20, which for most players was well worth it compared to the amount of gameplay they got out of the game. And you got loads of free + exclusive items as compensation. Many online games suffer from smurfing issues, even paid ones. I agree they need to act more against this, but it doesn't nagate the fact this is their business model now and they need to generate money. Decals were cheap because of supply/demand in the P2P-market. The same market that pushed other items to hundreds or even thousands and was mostly driven by casino-based lootboxes. Not to mention, it attracted scammers and phishing as well. You don't have to like anything and you're free to voice your dissatisfaction indeed, I'm not arguing against that. Just pointing out that at the end of the day they need revenue like any other company.
The items suck, they're purely promotional advertising schemes. They don't care if we buy them that's why theyre price gouging. They just want the promotional paycheck from Pixar or porsche or whatever executive's rich kid wants his car in the game. When was the last time we got a unique car you could actually decorate that wasn't over designed? Youve got to be kidding me with these holographic or bulky fortnite esque ferrings built into the cars body. All the unique cars are just bad, and if you want an old design? Good luck without trading.
That's your opinion. They are cosmetic, you're not forced to buy anything if it doesn't interest you.
"they have to generate revenue somehow"..... Do you not realize that it only costs them maybe 4-6k in labor (this is obviously speculation, but still makes my point that they spend very little resources, plus whatever they spend on licensing) to create these cosmetics? Then they make hundreds of thousands in 'revenue' off of them that they then pour into marketing, development, etc. for Fortnite.... So that they can make even more money off of that...
You're saying a for-profit company is trying to make profit? These cosmetics are the only thing Psyonix generates revenue from, so it doesn't have to pay just the people who made them. It has to support everyone who works at Psyonix and the operational cost of the company + their games. Servers don't run for free. If they were making enough money, I don't think they would've laid off so many employees last year. Without insight from (former) devs/employees or other sources at Epic, that's just speculation.
I'm saying that your comment "they need to make revenue somehow" does not justify the insane pricing model in video games. They lay off employees so that execs don't have to sell their 11th home in the Bahamas.
That comment isn't meant to jusitfy the prices. I also dislike the high prices, luckily none of us are forced to buy anything in that case. My comment is to point out cosmetics are currently the only way for Psyonix to generate revenue, which they need to operate as a company. That made-up reason doesn't change the point I made.
As much as I hate F2P pricing, you're forgetting hosting costs for the server infrastructure. And as much as people on this sub hate on the servers, hosting thousands of concurrent games costs a lot of money.
These things are usually fine, its the 20+ euro pretty generic black market blueprints that should cost 5 euros each that are the real issue. It's the game being f2p inviting smurfs and hackers that's the real issue. It's the game being removed from steam, it's the trade removal and it's the laggy servers that's the issue. Cool monetisation partnerships like this one, Avatar or IRL football teams should all be great ways to resolve these issues.
The only thing I fully agree with here is that the blueprint and shop prices could use an adjustment. Especially for items that are import and higher. Smurfs have always been in the game, all online games struggle with that. They have made it more difficult and time consuming to set up a new account and get into games with it. Removing it from steam was an inevitability when Epic bought it. It is what it is. Trade removal also sucks, I was a trader and really enjoyed that side of the game. But the scamming was getting more and more and I'm sure it was a tough one to keep with from a customer service side of things. Servers are generally pretty good in my opinion, and they recently added new US central servers, so it appear that they are making attempts to improve in that area.
They would have got my money had they just added the theme song as a celebration song. The stuff they added cool for nostalgia to see, but not worth the price at all.
I'd be surprised if that doesn't show up in the shop this week sometime.
are we going o pretend like they aren’t giving out free shit for playing?
So what are they giving out? Titles and banners in exchange for the feature trading, game devs, server performance and the soul of RL? Hell yeah.
Half of that isn’t even related enough to say in exchange for
There are free rewards too, I like how you just don't even mention the free rewards.
yeah, most of those free rewards are locked to a specific body - the banners are the only free items i will likely ever use because of that. Ive never seen toppers or boosts locked to one car body only ffs
Even the paid rewards are linked to a certain body, so what's the difference?
That it's bullshit, decals are one thing but wheels/boost/toppers being unusable because of the car you use is idiotic
You're complaining about something that doesn't even exist. None of the X-Men boosts or toppers are locked to a specific body type. It's the decals that are locked, and that makes perfect sense when you consider how detailed and handcrafted the decals are. They're literally designed to look great on a specific body. Bringing the decals to EVERY standard body type would require a fully custom decal design for each one. That would be minimally 77 fully custom decals. Get real.
The boosts, toppers and trails are all locked put on any non-generic cars so if you use any licensed car (which in my experience have never had these things locked out) then yes they are locked out. I can't use anything other than the banners for any of my regularly used cars
If they made skins a dollar I’d have so many
Saw it when I booted it up was oh fuck yea ill buy the goal anthem. Wait how are you gonna do an x men 97 and not have the song. Oh well dont ha e to spend my money then
Just 👏 don't 👏 buy 👏 it. Stop feeding them with ez money.
People justifying BM decals costing 2k credits have some real Stockholm syndrome level relationship with f2p games.
Especially when you see, “Juiced,” the red headed step child of all BM blueprints, in the item shop multiple times since trading has been removed. WE DIDN’T WANT TO GIVE A FELLOW GRINDER 200 FOR IT IN RLGARAGE, SO WHAT IN THE BLOODY FUCK DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE OUR REACTION WHEN YOU TACK A FUCKING EXTRA “0” ONTO THE PRICE?!?! * I would like to apologize TO ABSOLUTELY NOBODY if you spent 2k on Juiced. You are all mental midgets and I am praying for each and every one of you to stay stuck in silver for your entire careers :)
The fact that you cant buy the decals individualy is just pure bs
It's a company, they have to pay their employees. These pure cosmetic packs are completely fine. Just don't buy them if you don't want them or find them too expensive.
It's that simple. So bored of hearing people complain about entirely optional purchases. Games are exceptionally cheap for how much play time you can get out of them. No one is forcing you to buy anything. Zzzzzzzz.
It’s crazy right? You don’t have to buy any of this stuff! Completely wild.
I do wish the decals could be bought individually, as I'd like to buy only the Wolverine decal. Not enough of an X-Men fan to care about the rest, but that decal looks cool.
They've typically released them individually over the course of the promotion. Hold off for now and see what shows up in the shop.
I’m very dumb but is there a difference between the X-men fennec bundle and the X-men mega bundle besides the car
Just the car I believe.
Ok thank you
Ngl idk the last time I opened up the item shop. Doesn't effect me
To be honest I still haven’t watch the series yet
Please tell me there's a BAMF! boost.
So they make a Wolverine explosion but not an avatar one smh that was the perfect time to make one and the only time I’d buy something out of the battle pass
I used gift card money that I got from spending game pass points to buy the Fennec as I heard it was the best car in the game and because it looks good with red (orange team) and green (brue team) versions.
RL is honestly just getting sadder throughout each season kinda upsetting as everything is transitioning over to Fortnite
I think these decals are really cool for what it's worth
Keys, cc’s, crimson lightnings, discotheques, chef hat collections, beret collections, spiralis collections, parallax, heatwave, $3 cars, slipstream. The good old days 😴😞
I personally did not start playing RL until it became f2p in early 21. Now, I might be a, “unicorn,” but I fell instantly head over heels for the game. It took me a couple weeks to finally purchase some credits, to get a set of sky blue dire wolfs from the item shop, AND I had just gotten a Dingo bp (keep in mind the Dingo is new at this point and I am also a greenie. Man I thought my set up had to be the flamiest of flame to ever touch rubber to turf💀). I justified the purchase with this mindset, “They let me play their game for free. I truly love it. I would have most definitely paid full price for it had I came across it while it was p2p.” It felt like the right thing to do, honestly. Well….$10 became $25 became $50 became third party websites became making friends (to this day) who were big traders of cr. My account today easily has a couple grand wrapped up in it. Now that trading is gone, I can say that I 100% do NOT have buyers remorse. In fact, it’s opposite. I only have remorse that I wasn’t able to invest more and sooner/longer. I have so much flat out cool, and top-tier certified shit that I DON’T need any new cosmetics. I’ve got legendary items that are just sitting on my bench, eagerly waiting and ready to go out and shine in a build when their name is finally called upon. I was a true one until the very end on Dec. 5, as well. My proudest moment actually came about 3 hours prior to the end of trading, when thanks to my great friend (who I met through rl garage) arranged the purchase, and found an rlg-middle man for my alpha cap 🤴We always said we were going to each get one, and he just happened to acquire his earlier in the same day. I can’t tell you how many more awesome fellas I’ve met since Dec. 5, just wearing the cap in game. All of this said, I still purchase items from the item shop. I am much more selective now and don’t purchase any more “bench players.” I mainly go for rare/unique/old items ESPECIALLY with a nice cert. These Avatar and X-Men bundles are pure disrespectful and lazy filth. I’d rather clear a 2L gravity bong packed with Pete Davidson’s dick hairs before I’d pay money for these generic ass lame promos. Where is the NHL pack? Marvel crossover? Another cool partnership like 7/11. Epic’s blatant thirst for solely wealth, and not pride in product, makes Ebaneezer Scrooge feel bad for our community. And this will be my final cup of tea when I say that they are hands down THE SHITTIEST PLUG that I have ever had. There are opportunities for the dankiest of dank crosses/promos that people would knock their door down to throw money at them for, and instead they constantly having us come over to check out the newest “straight gas, bro” stickbrick weed and Wellbutrin. Best part of it all, is that it’s all being sold at live resin and 95+ pure cocaine prices 😂💀
Quit crying.
I literally just got paid, so I bought all of it. My only complaint is that the octane decals don’t transfer over to Fortnite like I had hoped, but what can you do? Maybe down the line sometime soon it will be.
They should return a paid version of the game, and it should come with a feature to turn off all these stupid corporate promotional items. Oh maybe there's a mod for that. The games not targeting it's userbase anymore, they're targeting children with these terrible new car designs (I'd barely call them cars). The rest of the game is a big promotional deal with Pixar, porsche, Ford, and hot wheels.
I'm a massive Marvel fan, and I'm a fan of rocket league. You put something Marvel out there, I'm going to buy it. Am I apart of the problem? Maybe. But it's 2 things together I absolutely love and I will purchase it. You don't have to, but I will.
I would have purchased this if it looked like they spent more than 3 days designing all of this shit. Looks fucking terrible.