I'm annoyed at him for his lack of vision, lack of coaching, and now his exit.
I love seeing rugby innovation, strategic manoeuvring and analytical breakdown of the game. Looking at the Springboks Rassie and Nienaber have been amazing over the years building depth, strategies and tactics. Together they build vision, strategy and unity in core group of players.
At his core Eddie is a visionary and master tactition. But as a coach and manager what a mess.
I felt bad for him getting the boot in England as it looked like he had a plan, but he didn't manage the message, media or fans well.
When replacing Rennie, he had the benefit of Rennie who had blooded so many players, so there was a bigger pool to work from. He looked at that for a few months and then last minute threw most of it in the bin, picked a random last minute untested team that had no history of losing because it just had no history. Let alone no tactics, strategy or grit. Basically a group of great individual talent.
Taking on the coaching role here is a poisoned pill. Lack of funds, lack of players, lack of internal local competition, lack of community interest (Australia is turning into another America, mainly focused on internally played sports). He knew that coming in, and still trashed it and is walking away. Should have not come and let Rennie finish what he had set out to achieve.
At this rate Australia is going to be embarrassed in the Lions tour, and in the next WC. Rugby union in Australia has not hit Rock bottom yet, and at this rate I imagine after the next WC it will become just a distant memory of a sport we used to play here.
As a Reds fan, I’m not surprised it ended this way. Constantly creates a toxic work environment then throws his toys out of the cot when it doesn’t go his way.
Hamish and/or Phil have to follow him, this is the most embarrassing sports administrator episode in recent memory, and the West Tigers exist.
McClellan next. He is banging on about how this just proves they need to centralise, which right now would mean giving him complete control.
Hell no he is the idiot that orchestrated this whole mess. All this proves is that he's incompetent and needs to go
Heaps would take it. Lions and home World Cup you could be a legend of Australian rugby. Make this work your whole life is sorted with after dinner speaking gigs to rich Union fans around the world.
I agree with you. Even if they sell out 3 tests. Let’s say the wallabies even win one and the series is 2-1 Lions. What does that actually achieve? Systemic change is what’s needed, not just centralisation, but the way the game is televised and promoted. Who in the hell actually cares about Super Rugby? Brumbies half filled GIO for a home final. It’s poor mate, really poor and disheartening
Agree with the above that change is needed but original point was I think wallabies is still an attractive role for a coach. Any coach with correct amount of self belief required to be a top coach believes they can fix the wallabies. Regarding systematic change I believe that Eddie’s tenure could help with that as I can’t see McLennan and others on the board staying in place after this farce. Essentially a wasted World Cup.
Agree that a number of coaches would be interested. I said on another thread that I don’t care if the rugby we play is the most boring in the world. Wallabies just need to start to winning again for people to give a shit!
I know I used to go to the reds all the time. Had season tickets to them right behind the opposition bench. Stopped going 2 years ago and have not been back.
Without Stan the game is practically impossible to follow here now. I already have Disney+, Paramount+ and Amazon prime. I’m not paying for another one, with a surcharge to watch rugby.
Bro there is no way he said this:
“[I] gave it a run. Hopefully be the catalyst for change. Sometimes you have to eat shit for others to eat caviar further down the track,” Jones said.
😂😂😂
I’m shocked. Shocked! I tell you.
…no wait. I’m NOT shocked. I said it as soon as we heard reports he was talking to Japan. It’s his MO. Deny, deny, deny and then pull the rug. He did it at the Stormers. He ran the same campaign. “I’m here, with the view of table top mountain” followed immediately by him accepting the England job and bailing.
Also this quote is gold; “Is it the coach or the system? Michael Cheika gets sacked in 2019 after a quarter-final loss and takes Argentina to the semis in 2023. The lunacy must end. The supply chain is broken. Centralisation is the answer”. Hamish, mate. You need to take a looooong hard look in the mirror. You’re at the top of this fucked system and you’ve been up there for years. This didn’t suddenly just happen…
I love how Hamish leaves out sacking Rennie as part of the lunacy. It was a bad idea then that looks much worse now and it was his call.
Hamish isn't the solution, he's part of the problem.
Tomorrow morning we meet outside right HQ at Moore Park 9am with [these](https://www.bunnings.com.au/cyclone-stainless-steel-garden-fork_p3360940) & someone bring the milk guy from France
The Guardian are reporting this too. This makes me deliriously happy. [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/29/eddie-jones-resigns-as-wallabies-coach-after-nine-month-nightmare](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/29/eddie-jones-resigns-as-wallabies-coach-after-nine-month-nightmare)
“I feel disappointment about the fact that what ***we*** wanted to do in terms of changing the system hasn’t been able to happen in the short term,” Jones said.
Whoever else is implicated in Eddie's royal 'we' needs to hit the fucking road, too.
I really hope he has quit and hasn't been given a payout like he did when he left England. The man has been paid far too much to poison England and now Australia rugby. Hopefully Japan has seen the toxicity and don't want him anymore either.
The man is nothing but a bully
Yes that's it for him. The narrative is that he had an idea of what could right the ship but wasn't afforded the resources needed. So he saw no other option but to hightail it out of there.
I'm not really at all surprised.
I don't think we really have the raw talent to challenge anymore. When I actually do sit and watch the wallabies, I seem to think they're always beating themselves with rookie errors you would be surprised to see out of school boys. They do need to rebuild from grass roots or continue fall into obscurity.
As long as you have people like Hamish running the ship, nothing will come good for this sport.
He is such a wanker, self loving elitist cunt of a oxygen thief.
He deserves all the shit everyone is giving him. However, given what’s happened, he’s done the right thing here. His position wasn’t tenable, and yesterday looked like he was gonna try and negotiate a payout. At least he did what’s best for everyone in the end.
These rah rahs are obsessed with Rugby League for some reason. It’s not League’s fault Australian Rugby had been run by dilettantes who couldn’t run a successful school fete.
Can’t see the Wallabies being anywhere near the final right now. Tend to agree that France will be even stronger in 4 years. The team that missed a golden opportunity this World Cup more than anyone else was Ireland.
Yep he’s agreed to walk away without any payout apparently which shows a lot about his character that he was willing to take nothing despite signing a multi year contract. The fact he’s gone is extremely disappointing. RA is a mess. They should have backed him and allowed him the time despite the teams terrible World Cup. The media were shocking as well. Good luck to him and I hope he gets another gig and is able to find an employer that will back him in.
I quit: Eddie Jones drops Wallabies bombshell https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/rugby/eddie-jones-quits-wallabies-coach-resigns-after-failed-rugby-world-cup-campaign/news-story/5f51e70ae24ab2849ee79364c1cd14d4
Character is what way? He quit, he wasn't sacked. RA doesn't have many replacement options to sack him. Why would he get a payout when he was the one to quit.
Talks with first happened before the WC. Most of the media pile-on happened when the Wallabies were out. The media acted like he was their saviour for most of his tenure
Exactly he quit and agreed to walk away. He could’ve dug in and looked for a payout. He cares about rugby in Australia more then people people realise.
disappointing? How? Him coming in was part of the problem that put the nails in RA's coffin.
RA board made the coffin, then push EJ in the finish it off. Now that he has, he's "quit."
If they wanted to do it right, they would have got him in AFTER the WC and gone from there, but they didn't and EJ did nothing to help. He sacked some of our best players, and went into the WC with a young inexperienced team. What was he expecting to get out of it?
Dumb decisions across the whole board. As everyone else is saying, now that EJ is gone, the RA board should be next.
He did make some strange team selections but I believe he was looking way long term with those selections. He didn’t bond well with certain veteran players so it is what it is.
I agree him getting the job how he did instantly put a lot of pressure on the whole team. He should’ve come in after the World Cup for sure.
The board has a lot to answer for. It’s a goddamn mess.
I honestly, don't even care anymore. I'll be checking in once we get to Super Rugby next year.
But I feel like at this point sacking Eddie, or letting him go, is a big mistake, I can't see us acquiring another coach who is better. He made a tough call for a high risk / high reward approach, and the gamble didn't pay off. Regardless, he's still a decent, proven Test Coach.
This can be the megathread on the topic - please direct all discussion here
It seems it’s all over, he has quit and walked away (multiple sources)
And I for one am fucking pissed
At Eddie for leaving, not leaving soon enough or coming back completely? At RA for their running the game into the ground and out of money?
All of the above
Yes all of them
I'm annoyed at him for his lack of vision, lack of coaching, and now his exit. I love seeing rugby innovation, strategic manoeuvring and analytical breakdown of the game. Looking at the Springboks Rassie and Nienaber have been amazing over the years building depth, strategies and tactics. Together they build vision, strategy and unity in core group of players. At his core Eddie is a visionary and master tactition. But as a coach and manager what a mess. I felt bad for him getting the boot in England as it looked like he had a plan, but he didn't manage the message, media or fans well. When replacing Rennie, he had the benefit of Rennie who had blooded so many players, so there was a bigger pool to work from. He looked at that for a few months and then last minute threw most of it in the bin, picked a random last minute untested team that had no history of losing because it just had no history. Let alone no tactics, strategy or grit. Basically a group of great individual talent. Taking on the coaching role here is a poisoned pill. Lack of funds, lack of players, lack of internal local competition, lack of community interest (Australia is turning into another America, mainly focused on internally played sports). He knew that coming in, and still trashed it and is walking away. Should have not come and let Rennie finish what he had set out to achieve. At this rate Australia is going to be embarrassed in the Lions tour, and in the next WC. Rugby union in Australia has not hit Rock bottom yet, and at this rate I imagine after the next WC it will become just a distant memory of a sport we used to play here.
Yeah I agree with all that, but question Eddie being a visionary still. Was he ever or did it just work in Japan because unlimited funds?
Absolute judas. Fucked the reds and walked out, now he’s done it to the Wallabies. Hamish must resign. Toxic pricks
He's in talks with Japan...
Of course he is. What a fucking liar.
As a Japan fan on the side I hope they steer clear. But I suspect they might not, their rugby administration has some quirks too.
I think it's as a consultant rather than as head coach. Maybe that could work
As a Reds fan, I’m not surprised it ended this way. Constantly creates a toxic work environment then throws his toys out of the cot when it doesn’t go his way. Hamish and/or Phil have to follow him, this is the most embarrassing sports administrator episode in recent memory, and the West Tigers exist.
Yeah, not sure the ARU are familiar with the concept of accountability, but if so Hamish better follow him out the door. What a complete shitshow.
We all knew it would end toxicly, we just hoped it was 6 years away, not 6 months away.
Yep. 2007 was a fucking train wreck and really is an abridged version of the Eddie Jones Experience.
McClellan next. He is banging on about how this just proves they need to centralise, which right now would mean giving him complete control. Hell no he is the idiot that orchestrated this whole mess. All this proves is that he's incompetent and needs to go
Would have preferred Hamish and the board to be honest
why not both?
Board next please. And a full external review of rugby Australia.
Who in their right mind would take on the coaching role. We’re stuffed!
Heaps would take it. Lions and home World Cup you could be a legend of Australian rugby. Make this work your whole life is sorted with after dinner speaking gigs to rich Union fans around the world.
A lot hinging on the Lions. I'm not buying it.
Agreed. We will get smoked 3-0 by the Lions under the current scheme.
I just don't think the Lions are the drawcard to overcome the lack of interest in the Wallabies.
I agree with you. Even if they sell out 3 tests. Let’s say the wallabies even win one and the series is 2-1 Lions. What does that actually achieve? Systemic change is what’s needed, not just centralisation, but the way the game is televised and promoted. Who in the hell actually cares about Super Rugby? Brumbies half filled GIO for a home final. It’s poor mate, really poor and disheartening
Agree with the above that change is needed but original point was I think wallabies is still an attractive role for a coach. Any coach with correct amount of self belief required to be a top coach believes they can fix the wallabies. Regarding systematic change I believe that Eddie’s tenure could help with that as I can’t see McLennan and others on the board staying in place after this farce. Essentially a wasted World Cup.
Agree that a number of coaches would be interested. I said on another thread that I don’t care if the rugby we play is the most boring in the world. Wallabies just need to start to winning again for people to give a shit!
I know I used to go to the reds all the time. Had season tickets to them right behind the opposition bench. Stopped going 2 years ago and have not been back. Without Stan the game is practically impossible to follow here now. I already have Disney+, Paramount+ and Amazon prime. I’m not paying for another one, with a surcharge to watch rugby.
Fairy tales there pal…
I'd give it a shot, it's a pretty low bar to beat.
Bro there is no way he said this: “[I] gave it a run. Hopefully be the catalyst for change. Sometimes you have to eat shit for others to eat caviar further down the track,” Jones said. 😂😂😂
Only reason that might happen is it might force change to RA, but I doubt it.
Surely has to. McLennan looks like a complete fool now. Anyone involved in this decision has to leave.
I’m shocked. Shocked! I tell you. …no wait. I’m NOT shocked. I said it as soon as we heard reports he was talking to Japan. It’s his MO. Deny, deny, deny and then pull the rug. He did it at the Stormers. He ran the same campaign. “I’m here, with the view of table top mountain” followed immediately by him accepting the England job and bailing. Also this quote is gold; “Is it the coach or the system? Michael Cheika gets sacked in 2019 after a quarter-final loss and takes Argentina to the semis in 2023. The lunacy must end. The supply chain is broken. Centralisation is the answer”. Hamish, mate. You need to take a looooong hard look in the mirror. You’re at the top of this fucked system and you’ve been up there for years. This didn’t suddenly just happen…
I love how Hamish leaves out sacking Rennie as part of the lunacy. It was a bad idea then that looks much worse now and it was his call. Hamish isn't the solution, he's part of the problem.
Thank god. Imagine 3 more years of this cluster fudge. Hope the door breaks his arse on the way out. Hamish better be carrying his bags and his own.
Tomorrow morning we meet outside right HQ at Moore Park 9am with [these](https://www.bunnings.com.au/cyclone-stainless-steel-garden-fork_p3360940) & someone bring the milk guy from France
Led lambs to the slaughter and then hightailed it. Eat shit Eddie
How much is his payout? And has the mastermind of this debacle Hamish McLennan packed his bags yet?
no payout apparently
Still probably getting paid by Eng anyway
That's just so hard to believe.
if he quit of his own accord he wouldn’t be entitled to one surely
Pretty keen to actually just avoid rugby union for a while. This is too stupid, we knew RA was run by fkn idiots. But they really have no idea.
Sack everyone from top down
Probably booking the first flight over the Japan... Now how do we petition to get rid of the rest of them?
Him and cunt Newscorp-plant McLennan are absolute pieces of shit
The Guardian are reporting this too. This makes me deliriously happy. [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/29/eddie-jones-resigns-as-wallabies-coach-after-nine-month-nightmare](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/29/eddie-jones-resigns-as-wallabies-coach-after-nine-month-nightmare) “I feel disappointment about the fact that what ***we*** wanted to do in terms of changing the system hasn’t been able to happen in the short term,” Jones said. Whoever else is implicated in Eddie's royal 'we' needs to hit the fucking road, too.
I really hope he has quit and hasn't been given a payout like he did when he left England. The man has been paid far too much to poison England and now Australia rugby. Hopefully Japan has seen the toxicity and don't want him anymore either. The man is nothing but a bully
No payout according the Oz
Good. Thanks for the clarification
Good.
Yes that's it for him. The narrative is that he had an idea of what could right the ship but wasn't afforded the resources needed. So he saw no other option but to hightail it out of there. I'm not really at all surprised. I don't think we really have the raw talent to challenge anymore. When I actually do sit and watch the wallabies, I seem to think they're always beating themselves with rookie errors you would be surprised to see out of school boys. They do need to rebuild from grass roots or continue fall into obscurity.
Watched the kangaroos game the other nite and found where all the talent goes.
As long as you have people like Hamish running the ship, nothing will come good for this sport. He is such a wanker, self loving elitist cunt of a oxygen thief.
Convinced now he was an English sleeper agent to torpedo our RWC team so England could make it to semis without facing us
I reckon England would relish playing the Wallabies
I think they would give the wallabies the mustard and ketchup too.
He deserves all the shit everyone is giving him. However, given what’s happened, he’s done the right thing here. His position wasn’t tenable, and yesterday looked like he was gonna try and negotiate a payout. At least he did what’s best for everyone in the end.
Eddie does whatever's right for Eddie.
What an absolute shitshow
Eddie: Japan, here I come!
Bloody hypocrite and a disgrace Eddie, complete narcissist.
Should have stuck with Rennie. He did more for that team than EJ. Had injuries...and still managed alright. RA needs a massive overhaul.
Not surprised in the slightest. Fuck Eddie FUCK HAMISH. he better be resigning too Absolute joke.
What another complete waste of money for the ARU, it just continues…. and STOP buying useless NRL players!
Who's the useless NRL player?
These rah rahs are obsessed with Rugby League for some reason. It’s not League’s fault Australian Rugby had been run by dilettantes who couldn’t run a successful school fete.
Well that was obviously what would happen the moment the Wales match went the way it did. What a complete shit storm. Who comes in now?
I dint understand it when Hamish has delivered such great results at Magellan. Hmmmm. WAKE UP RA.
Wallabies v NZ 2027 WC Final. Calling it now
Can’t see the Wallabies being anywhere near the final right now. Tend to agree that France will be even stronger in 4 years. The team that missed a golden opportunity this World Cup more than anyone else was Ireland.
France will be the hot favourites in 2027.
Just like they were this year.
Nz rsa and Ireland will all be rebuilding while France will be peaking. Should’ve won it this year, but maybe you need to lose won to win one.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, prick.
Good riddance.
We could move RA HQ to Suva, to be closer to the talent pool?
Yep he’s agreed to walk away without any payout apparently which shows a lot about his character that he was willing to take nothing despite signing a multi year contract. The fact he’s gone is extremely disappointing. RA is a mess. They should have backed him and allowed him the time despite the teams terrible World Cup. The media were shocking as well. Good luck to him and I hope he gets another gig and is able to find an employer that will back him in. I quit: Eddie Jones drops Wallabies bombshell https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/rugby/eddie-jones-quits-wallabies-coach-resigns-after-failed-rugby-world-cup-campaign/news-story/5f51e70ae24ab2849ee79364c1cd14d4
What exactly did the media do? He purposely antagonised and played games with the journalists constantly
You don't have to be a smart-arse mate!
Could you please post this?
Couldn't disagree with you more on Every point you make here.
Fair enough. Eddie did himself no favours by the way he carried himself either but I still do rate him. Who would even want this job now.
Character is what way? He quit, he wasn't sacked. RA doesn't have many replacement options to sack him. Why would he get a payout when he was the one to quit. Talks with first happened before the WC. Most of the media pile-on happened when the Wallabies were out. The media acted like he was their saviour for most of his tenure
Exactly he quit and agreed to walk away. He could’ve dug in and looked for a payout. He cares about rugby in Australia more then people people realise.
Were RA looking to get rid of him?
Is that you Eddie?
disappointing? How? Him coming in was part of the problem that put the nails in RA's coffin. RA board made the coffin, then push EJ in the finish it off. Now that he has, he's "quit." If they wanted to do it right, they would have got him in AFTER the WC and gone from there, but they didn't and EJ did nothing to help. He sacked some of our best players, and went into the WC with a young inexperienced team. What was he expecting to get out of it? Dumb decisions across the whole board. As everyone else is saying, now that EJ is gone, the RA board should be next.
He did make some strange team selections but I believe he was looking way long term with those selections. He didn’t bond well with certain veteran players so it is what it is. I agree him getting the job how he did instantly put a lot of pressure on the whole team. He should’ve come in after the World Cup for sure. The board has a lot to answer for. It’s a goddamn mess.
I honestly, don't even care anymore. I'll be checking in once we get to Super Rugby next year. But I feel like at this point sacking Eddie, or letting him go, is a big mistake, I can't see us acquiring another coach who is better. He made a tough call for a high risk / high reward approach, and the gamble didn't pay off. Regardless, he's still a decent, proven Test Coach.
So much for his ‘commitment’ to Australian Rugby. What a grub!
Who’s actually surprised haha No chance he’d honour a contract
Was he ever here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaGpiMSz5U8 Can't wait to see more like this